Jacumba Glider Accident Sat June 29?

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Who and how please.

San Diego news photo looks like the PZL.

One of our CFI's was to be there tomorrow on the way back from Mexico, we think he couldnt go today.

Thank you in advance for any info. Just out of concern and sincere condolences to all AGCSA.

Karen

[GM]

On Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:48:16 PM UTC-4, wrote:
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Could only find this news-blip but no further details. My condolences to the families of the victims and members of the club.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/2-Killed-Glider-Plane-Crash-Jacumba-Airport-213707451.html

'GM'

[Frank Whiteley]

On Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:32:48 PM UTC-6, GM wrote:
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Another link, but no additional details.

http://www.10news.com/news/glider-plane-crashes-in-jacumba-06292013

Frank Whiteley

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From SD Chan 7 Men Killed in Glider Plane Crash ID'd MONICA GARSKE and LEA SUTTON 06/30/2013 11:31 AM

The county medical examiner's office has just released the names of the two men killed in a glider plane crash in San Diego's Jacumba area Saturday.

According to the report, Richard Noble, 63, and Martin Rothwell, 54, were killed in the crash.

The report says the glider was towed and the towline was released at about 100 feet. For unknown reasons, the glider lost control, rapidly decelerated and struck the ground.

The FAA said the accident happened just before 12:30 p.m. near the Jacumba Airport (pictured below) in the 45000 block of Old Highway 80, about 75 miles from San Diego.

An Allstar PZL glider was involved in the crash.

Law enforcement officers surrounded the plane following the crash and blocked off the site.

The FAA and National Transportation Safety Board will now take the lead on the investigation into the fatal accident.*

According to the FAA, the glider is registered to the Associated Glider Clubs of Southern California (AGCSC).

The AGCSC website says their glider group was set to fly in Jacumba all weekend long. A photo of the exact glider that went down in Saturday's crash can be seen here.

According to the AGCSC website, the glider that crashed is a relatively new aircraft called a “Perkoz” that was put into production in 2011. The aircraft seats two people and has a wingspan of 65.5-feet, with a maximum airspeed of 149 mph.

A person who witnessed the crash but wished to remain anonymous told NBC 7 that the deadly accident happened as the glider was taking off.

Gliders do not have engines, and the club uses a winch and cable assembly at the airfield to launch the plane.

In this particular case, the glider plane was launched with a winch and cable assembly, and it separated from the tow cable at an altitude of around 100 to 300 feet, the witness said. It launched with its nose high, then immediately spun to the right and into the ground.

Saturday afternoon, who said that if the plane separated from the tow cable at that altitude, that’s nearly 1,000 feet short of the normal release altitude of around 1,200 feet at Jacumba field.

“We call them ‘sailplanes.’ They are propelled primarily from being flown in thermals or other rising air and since they do not have an engine, the aircraft is purely designed to be flown whenever there is sufficient lift for the airplane to stay in the air,” explained Schulze.

Understandably so, Schulze said he was very distraught over the accident.

"I'm deeply saddened because I'm afraid both victims are people I know quite well and I'm even more afraid that it may have been one of the flight instructors that I know very well,” Schulze told NBC 7.

[Bill D]

On Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:32:48 PM UTC-6, GM wrote:
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Condolences to all involved. It's a very sad day for all of us involved with winch launch.

Until the details, such as height of the failure are known, it will be impossible to analyze this accident. It's possible there was a video.

[son_of_flubber]

http://www.10news.com/news/one-of-two-killed-in-jacumba-glider-crash-was-decorated-navy-pilot-06302013

"Saturday's glider lesson was Rick Noble's first. His brother says after flying some of the fastest planes on earth, he was looking forward to taking up gliding."

[Bill D]

On Monday, July 1, 2013 11:35:52 AM UTC-6, son_of_flubber wrote:
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It seems PIC Martin Rothwell held only a private glider rating issued 3/2/2010. So it looks like it was just a ride not instruction.

[Terry Pitts]

Sad event.

At the reported altitude, the glider should not yet have had very much of a nose-high attitude. The initial climb to 150-200' should have been very flat until a safe height has been reached.

Anything steeper is very much frowned upon on both German and British soaring circles.

I hope the "ride" was truly a friend giving a friend a ride and that no money changed hands. I know it's common for clubs to do rides as a fund raiser, but they do require a commercial pilot.

[Sean F (F2)]

How awful. And shame on the news report to show the aircraft in such a state. Unacceptable.

Godspeed to them both...

Sean
F2

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:19:11 AM UTC-7, Sean F (F2) wrote:
> ...And shame on the news report to show the
> aircraft in such a state. Unacceptable.

Sean, free and unrestricted media (to the degree that it still exists and persists) is one of the cornerstones of representative democracy. I firmly believe that in order to avail ourselves of the good the media does, we must be prepared to accept the bad.

The broken thing depicted in the film clip is a machine. It is a product of human commerce and human labor, replicable, replaceable, and repairable. I think its "state" is a trifle, an infinitesimal concern against the tragedy of two lives cut short.

Thanks, Bob K.

[Bill D]

On Saturday, June 29, 2013 4:48:16 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> Who and how please.
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> San Diego news photo looks like the PZL.
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> One of our CFI's was to be there tomorrow on the way back from Mexico, we think he couldnt go today.
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> Thank you in advance for any info. Just out of concern and sincere condolences to all AGCSA.
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> Karen

Another data point. Weather history data shows June 30th with an all-time record high temperature of 105F. Wind was NE max speed 21 gusts to 25.

[noel.wade]

Bob - Though I mostly agree with your point, I think Sean was referring to the body still in the glider ("tastefully" blurred and partly covered with a yellow tarp). Definitely insensitive of the media; but not unexpected.

--Noel

On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:37:15 PM UTC-7, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:19:11 AM UTC-7, Sean F (F2) wrote:
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> Sean, free and unrestricted media (to the degree that it still exists and persists) is one of the cornerstones of representative democracy. I firmly believe that in order to avail ourselves of the good the media does, we must be prepared to accept the bad.
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> The broken thing depicted in the film clip is a machine. It is a product of human commerce and human labor, replicable, replaceable, and repairable. I think its "state" is a trifle, an infinitesimal concern against the tragedy of two lives cut short.
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> Thanks, Bob K.