Incredible mid-air collision accident - Pics

[Sam]

See the story here:

http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_13a/briefs/186939-1.html

[SeeAndAvoid]

One of those RARE cases that it was good to be a low-wing.
Talk about a close shave.
Chris

"Sam" > wrote in message
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> See the story here:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_13a/briefs/186939-1.html

[Toks Desalu]

I don't get it. The pilot saw the cessna landing gear and he ducked. I
assume the cessna's right gear leg made the impact. What I don't understand
is how that plane broke up in flight if only landing gear made the impact?
Toks

"Sam" > wrote in message
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> See the story here:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_13a/briefs/186939-1.html

[MikeM]

Sam wrote:

> See the story here:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_13a/briefs/186939-1.html

Notice the blood on the seat back

[C J Campbell]

"MikeM" > wrote in message
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> Sam wrote:
>
> > See the story here:
> >
> > http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_13a/briefs/186939-1.html
>
> Notice the blood on the seat back

He walked away "with cuts and bruises."

Climbing out of that mess he could well have cut his hand and then rested it
on the seat back.

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 04:05:48 GMT, "Toks Desalu"
> wrote:

Can't say for sure, but the structure that supports the C-180 gear box
assembly (fore & aft bulkheads/formers, specifically, the aft gear-box
bulkhead/former) also supports the lower wing-strut attach point. If
the right gear box was torn out of the airplane (from the RH gear-leg
striking the Baron at speed), it's entirely possible (indeed, likely)
that the lower strut attach point on the RH side was also compromised.

Needless to say, the gear legs, gear-boxes (and surrounding structure)
was not designed to survive the potential damage caused by striking
another aircraft at 140+ knots (plus add whatever the closing speed
was of the Baron).

Bela P. Havasreti

>I don't get it. The pilot saw the cessna landing gear and he ducked. I
>assume the cessna's right gear leg made the impact. What I don't understand
>is how that plane broke up in flight if only landing gear made the impact?
>Toks
>
>"Sam" > wrote in message
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>> See the story here:
>>
>> http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_13a/briefs/186939-1.html
>

[BTIZ]

Cessna 180 also has a wing strut attachment point near the gear attach
point, imagine the gear getting ripped out and damage to the strut, causing
the wing failure..

BT

"Toks Desalu" > wrote in message
news:wO78c.70122$KO3.242628@attbi_s02...
> I don't get it. The pilot saw the cessna landing gear and he ducked. I
> assume the cessna's right gear leg made the impact. What I don't
understand
> is how that plane broke up in flight if only landing gear made the impact?
> Toks
>
> "Sam" > wrote in message
> om...
> > See the story here:
> >
> > http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_13a/briefs/186939-1.html
>
>

[gerrcoin]

MikeM wrote:
> Sam wrote:
>
>> See the story here:
>>
>> http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_13a/briefs/186939-1.html
>
>
> Notice the blood on the seat back

I'll bet he's glad for the convention of left hand seat for PIC. Looks
like the 180 wheel caught the right hand seat square.

[BTIZ]

if you read the NTSB preliminary report, it states that the right wing was
found separated from the rest of the wreckage by some distance, I forget the
actual reported distance

it appears the gear impact and other possible points of impact did cause the
right wing to fail and separate from the Cessna

a friend lost..

BT

"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:SD88c.2055$1I5.279@fed1read01...
> Cessna 180 also has a wing strut attachment point near the gear attach
> point, imagine the gear getting ripped out and damage to the strut,
causing
> the wing failure..
>
> BT
>
> "Toks Desalu" > wrote in message
> news:wO78c.70122$KO3.242628@attbi_s02...
> > I don't get it. The pilot saw the cessna landing gear and he ducked. I
> > assume the cessna's right gear leg made the impact. What I don't
> understand
> > is how that plane broke up in flight if only landing gear made the
impact?
> > Toks
> >
> > "Sam" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > See the story here:
> > >
> > > http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_13a/briefs/186939-1.html
> >
> >
>
>

[Tom Sixkiller]

"gerrcoin" > wrote in message
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> MikeM wrote:
> > Sam wrote:
> >
> >> See the story here:
> >>
> >> http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_13a/briefs/186939-1.html
> >
> >
> > Notice the blood on the seat back
>
> I'll bet he's glad for the convention of left hand seat for PIC. Looks
> like the 180 wheel caught the right hand seat square.

Good thing, too, that he was solo.

[BTIZ]

> > I'll bet he's glad for the convention of left hand seat for PIC. Looks
> > like the 180 wheel caught the right hand seat square.
>
> Good thing, too, that he was solo.
>

An extra set of eyes may have seen the Cessna, but one never knows. The
Cessna never had a chance. Based on preliminary NTSB report, the Baron was
"cruise climb" up into the Cessna, on the Cessna pilots blind side. The
Barron would have been approaching almost head on, on the right of the
Cessna, and would be from the cross cockpit view of the Cessna pilot, low
and 1 o'clock, below the engine cowling.

Maybe extra eyes in the Cessna could have helped also.
Montana Rule applies, Big Sky, but it is a narrow pass through Tehachipe.

BT

[Chickenhawk UK]

I think hats off to the baron pilot, for having the presence of mind
to get a plane that damaged on the ground in one peice, imaginge the
noise, the huge drag and possible electronics failures, not to mention
the shock of having just been hit by another plane.

Two thumbs up in my book, what a pilot.

[BTIZ]

"Chickenhawk UK" > wrote in message
om...
> I think hats off to the baron pilot, for having the presence of mind
> to get a plane that damaged on the ground in one peice, imaginge the
> noise, the huge drag and possible electronics failures, not to mention
> the shock of having just been hit by another plane.
>
> Two thumbs up in my book, what a pilot.

you'd be amazed what you can do when you are fighting for you life in an
airplane that may come apart at any time.

BT

[Dylan Smith]

In article <D0M8c.7927$1I5.1220@fed1read01>, BTIZ wrote:
> you'd be amazed what you can do when you are fighting for you life in an
> airplane that may come apart at any time.

My primary CFI told me somethin very important:

"Never give up"

If it's still flying, keep flying it.
I've seen more improbable successful outcomes than the Baron - a couple
of years ago, a C172 lost a sizeable portion of its wing in a mid-air
and successfully landed at IWS (IIRC, most of the wing outboard the
strut was folded over and back, there was a photograph of the aircraft
on short final).

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Peter Hovorka]

Hi there,

a few years ago someone posted pictures of a piper (aztec?) that was
literally ripped apart whilst encountering embedded CBs. The pilot
managed to land the wreck with dozens of missing parts...

I'm sorry but I can't find any links to pics at the moment - if someone
could post them here, I'ld be glad :)

Regards,
Peter