Avier/ Winpilot 12 Problem- Again

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Flew on Thursday and I didn't change anything since last Sunday's flight where everything worked great. I tried the same set-up yesterday and nothing worked. I kept getting a message that said it wasn't reading the vario data and then it couldn't read the GPS. Just locked up. I give up. Back to the old cable, Compaq PDA and Winpilot 13.01.

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On Friday, July 26, 2013 3:40:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Flew on Thursday and I didn't change anything since last Sunday's flight where everything worked great. I tried the same set-up yesterday and nothing worked. I kept getting a message that said it wasn't reading the vario data and then it couldn't read the GPS. Just locked up. I give up. Back to the old cable, Compaq PDA and Winpilot 13.01.

Jerry has given up on his customer base and refuses to fix the known problems or even respond to emails. You should be giving up on WinPilot, not Avier.

Frank (TA)

[6PK]

On Friday, July 26, 2013 12:40:47 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Flew on Thursday and I didn't change anything since last Sunday's flight where everything worked great. I tried the same set-up yesterday and nothing worked. I kept getting a message that said it wasn't reading the vario data and then it couldn't read the GPS. Just locked up. I give up. Back to the old cable, Compaq PDA and Winpilot 13.01.

Are you running the WinPilot "Avier" version (latest)?
I am using this version now with the CAI 302 for some time without any issues.
I would seriously check for hardware related problems (connections, cables etc)
If you have an other program installed ( SYM, XCSoar etc) does it work with your setup?
I too experienced similar problems before, once sorted through all is working ok.6PK
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On Friday, July 26, 2013 3:40:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Flew on Thursday and I didn't change anything since last Sunday's flight where everything worked great. I tried the same set-up yesterday and nothing worked. I kept getting a message that said it wasn't reading the vario data and then it couldn't read the GPS. Just locked up. I give up. Back to the old cable, Compaq PDA and Winpilot 13.01.

I am running Winpilot 12.5 for Avier downloaded on 5/30/13.

[6PK]

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:33:16 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Friday, July 26, 2013 3:40:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
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> > Flew on Thursday and I didn't change anything since last Sunday's flight where everything worked great. I tried the same set-up yesterday and nothing worked. I kept getting a message that said it wasn't reading the vario data and then it couldn't read the GPS. Just locked up. I give up. Back to the old cable, Compaq PDA and Winpilot 13.01.
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> I am running Winpilot 12.5 for Avier downloaded on 5/30/13.

That is the right one. I would say you have a hardware issue. 6PK

[Tom Kelley #711]

On Friday, July 26, 2013 1:40:47 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> Flew on Thursday and I didn't change anything since last Sunday's flight where everything worked great. I tried the same set-up yesterday and nothing worked. I kept getting a message that said it wasn't reading the vario data and then it couldn't read the GPS. Just locked up. I give up. Back to the old cable, Compaq PDA and Winpilot 13.01.

My setup is a CAI 302/303 connected to a V2 PNA running Winpilot PRO. I have been running this setup for awhile and have no problems. It communicates fine with the CAI GPS/wind information. I only have the programs/files I use, not anymore, loaded on the PNA. My storage card is used only for transfer of files, otherwise, its empty.
I have the brightness clicked down a few bars as the processor seems to run cooler and I also see no difference in brightness. It appears in this configuration I use less battery when compared to my IPAQ 3955. My IPAQ would lock up when I tried to fill its memory to the max. After that happened, I only used programs/files as I needed. Then I had no more problems.
The highest temp. that the V2 has been running in was when I was @ Hobbs for the 15 Meter Nationals. I had it baking in hot direct sunlight, running for 30 plus minutes, while waiting for launch. I would estimate my cockpit temp at the time was well north of 110 degrees F. I had no problems.
I might suggest to try to lower the brightness by a few bars and then only use the programs/files you really need for the area your in. Also, try removing/reinstalling Winpilot PRO again. Also, try removing the storage card and see if the problem goes away.

Best, #711.

[jfitch]

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:02:18 PM UTC-7, Tom Kelley #711 wrote:
> On Friday, July 26, 2013 1:40:47 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>
> > Flew on Thursday and I didn't change anything since last Sunday's flight where everything worked great. I tried the same set-up yesterday and nothing worked. I kept getting a message that said it wasn't reading the vario data and then it couldn't read the GPS. Just locked up. I give up. Back to the old cable, Compaq PDA and Winpilot 13.01.
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> My setup is a CAI 302/303 connected to a V2 PNA running Winpilot PRO. I have been running this setup for awhile and have no problems. It communicates fine with the CAI GPS/wind information. I only have the programs/files I use, not anymore, loaded on the PNA. My storage card is used only for transfer of files, otherwise, its empty.
>
> I have the brightness clicked down a few bars as the processor seems to run cooler and I also see no difference in brightness. It appears in this configuration I use less battery when compared to my IPAQ 3955. My IPAQ would lock up when I tried to fill its memory to the max. After that happened, I only used programs/files as I needed. Then I had no more problems.
>
> The highest temp. that the V2 has been running in was when I was @ Hobbs for the 15 Meter Nationals. I had it baking in hot direct sunlight, running for 30 plus minutes, while waiting for launch. I would estimate my cockpit temp at the time was well north of 110 degrees F. I had no problems.
>
> I might suggest to try to lower the brightness by a few bars and then only use the programs/files you really need for the area your in. Also, try removing/reinstalling Winpilot PRO again. Also, try removing the storage card and see if the problem goes away.
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> Best, #711.

I am running 12.5 on the Avier with a Butterfly vario. No problems except a couple of times after flying for several hours it has quit to the Today screen. It seems quite hot at that time - I will try setting the brightness down a few notches.

If you are having com problems you will most likely also have them with XCSoar, SYM, LK8000, or even a terminal emulator. That is the first place I would start. Make sure the com is working, then look elsewhere.

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On Friday, July 26, 2013 3:40:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Flew on Thursday and I didn't change anything since last Sunday's flight where everything worked great. I tried the same set-up yesterday and nothing worked. I kept getting a message that said it wasn't reading the vario data and then it couldn't read the GPS. Just locked up. I give up. Back to the old cable, Compaq PDA and Winpilot 13.01.

I'll try the changing the brightness (Backlight) setting, removing/replacing the memory card and removing and replacing Winpilot Pro. Thanks for your suggestions and help.

Chuck Zabinski

[Tom Kelley #711]

On Friday, July 26, 2013 1:40:47 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> Flew on Thursday and I didn't change anything since last Sunday's flight where everything worked great. I tried the same set-up yesterday and nothing worked. I kept getting a message that said it wasn't reading the vario data and then it couldn't read the GPS. Just locked up. I give up. Back to the old cable, Compaq PDA and Winpilot 13.01.

Chuck,

I went to the airport today and tried to run WinPilot PRO for PNA's off my storage card. It gave me the same window as you had seen about not being able to read the Vario.
I then removed my storage card and then opened Winpilot PRO as it is installed on the PNA. It opened without any problems. I flew for over 2 hours and had no problem and then after landing let it run for another hour as the ramp temp was well over 100 degrees.

At 15 thousand feet, today, it also ran just fine in the nice cool air.....ahhhhhh. Also, it ran fine when I penetrated a thunderstorm line with lighting and thunder along with some very heavy rain.

If I am recalling correctly, I do believe it needs to be installed on the PNA and NOT run from the storage card. I also believe since I was the first one to run WinPilot PRO for PNA's, that many changes have taken place as the first early version is much smaller in size than the current version.

DISCLAIMER>>>>I am retired and not employed by any vendor for anything. PERIOD.

Best regards, #711.

[Peter Kovari]

My set up runs from the storage card just fine.
I wonder if you have it both intalled on the PNA and the micro sd card confuses things?
Hmmm?

[jfitch]

On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:11:19 PM UTC-7, Peter Kovari wrote:
> My set up runs from the storage card just fine.
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> I wonder if you have it both intalled on the PNA and the micro sd card confuses things?
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> Hmmm?

I may be wrong, but I think it keeps all of its preference and setup files in the same directory that the program resides. So if you try to run from the storage card everything (including all the com parameters) must be set up again.

I have run it from a storage card without any unique issues that I was aware of.

In general, if you have lots of "real" program memory (and you should on an Avier) I think it is best to run any PDA software from memory, not a flash card. Flash memory is slow block access, and has a unique "read many" failure mode not shared with other types of memory. If you read a location enough times it can fail, even though never written to. That is why cell phones, solid state drives, etc. all have "wear leveling" algorithms built into the memory management. I doubt very seriously if something as antiquated as Windows CE has this, being last revised practically before flash memory was invented.

I would install it all and get it running in internal memory, then copy all the files to the flash card in the same hierarchy. That gives you a quick backup if the battery dies: copy it back to the Program directory and off you go again.

[Discus 44]

On a similar note: I have a Vertica V2, and had experienced several problems using LK8000 where the program terminated during my flights. I was running the program from the Micro SD card as recommended by the instructions. After a long trial and error period, I finally decided to load the program into memory and it is working. I have yet to conmfirm with a flight, but will in a week. (jfitch) indicated an issue may be the root of my problem as the LK would run for about two and a half hours before just stopping. I believed that maybe it had to do with a flaw in the Micro SD component, but logic says the "read many" thing sounds like the culprit. I had to uninstall all the programs that I could to free up memory for the Vertica first. It come with way too much crap on it anyway. So if you are experiencing a similar issue run the program in memory and backup to the card afterwards..

[Peter Kovari]

Can you be more specific what programs you were able to remove from the Vertica2?

[Discus 44]

I just removed the ones that you can uninstall like facebook and the like. I do not remember exactly. Just get rid enough to free up internal memory to around 150 MB. I think I had about 147MB free space and now have around 90MB left over. I tried to install LK into the device when I first got it and it said not enough memory. As far as LK goes Your maps have the largest files so try to limit them if you can. Good luck with this.

[Peter Kovari]

Ok Thanks
So if I undertsand it correctly one can install a(one) program onto the PNA program files but it may not leave enough space for other navigational software ( in my case my first choice is WP but I still have not given up on XCSoar or SYM as of yet).
If that is the case maybe run the others still
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Maybe I am wrong here but the guys at Vertica recommending running all navigation programs from the sd card?
Do I have this wrong?
At least in my case it has been working.
6PK

[Peter Kovari]

Sorry about the above jibbrish (cell phones)

[Discus 44]

Yes, Vertica recommends running the program from the Micro SD card and they recommend using a "fast" card. The trouble I have had is like the symptoms described by Jfitch as the program just gets a data overload after about two to three hours of running. I have not ever since I bought this device had a competed flight without re-starting LK. It is probably my device the Vertica and not the software. Other guys are happy with their installations as far as I know. In my case I had about enough trouble shooting and finally tried something different. My next tactic was to start over with something else. The quality of this display can be improved, but for the price I doubt they will without a subsequent raise in price. I think my device has an intermittent in the card slot component. So I will fly with the program running from memory and see if my problem is fixed.