Outlanding Award - Feedback Requested

[Jamie Shore]

For a few years now, the Soaring Club of Houston (scoh.org), has had an award called the "Brick" award that gave a trophy for the most out-landings in a year. We are now considering retiring the "Brick" and changing the scope of the award. We want the new trophy to reflect proper planning and execution when landing out rather than just recognizing a high land out rate.

We would love to hear any constructive criticism that you might have. This new award philosophy is very much in its infancy - we are looking for your feedback in this early stage.

Please view the ROUGH DRAFT:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17QGuyY1AOHGMzE4tdGq9af6x3QG5FxZgH-eEc0fV2-k/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks,
Jamie Shore
Soaring Club of Houston
scoh.org

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

On Monday, August 12, 2013 5:59:44 AM UTC-7, Jamie Shore wrote:
> For a few years now, the Soaring Club of Houston (scoh.org), has had an award called the "Brick" award that gave a trophy for the most out-landings in a year. We are now considering retiring the "Brick" and changing the scope of the award. We want the new trophy to reflect proper planning and execution when landing out rather than just recognizing a high land out rate.
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> Jamie Shore
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Nobody wants to get that award! Better to recognize the Best Crewing Award each year.

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This is a great idea. If you spend any time at all looking at landout logs from contests, you see atrocious off field landings. Thermaling at 175 feet ( yes, there is a log from a contest this year with such), straight in landings, "patterns" at 42 knots. Celebrating properly executed off field landings is a great idea.

How about the pile of coal prize for the worst log? Strip out the pilot and glider identifier and send in the log that most exemplifies how not to do it.

John Cochrane

[Tony[_5_]]

On Monday, August 12, 2013 8:28:28 AM UTC-5, JJ Sinclair wrote:
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speak for yourself JJ :)

I thought the Brick was pretty cool myself. If only my club had that I'd have a whole mantle full of bricks. Might have to reinforce the Mantle...

Draft looks interesting Jamie. I like what you're trying to do. Judging might prove difficult!

[K]

On Monday, August 12, 2013 7:28:28 AM UTC-6, JJ Sinclair wrote:

> Nobody wants to get that award! Better to recognize the Best Crewing Award .....

Jamie,
Im with JJ on this one 100%. Your "Brick" award blows and here's why; Every year the pilots who fly the most XC KM will probably win the award. I'm on track to win such an award (If my group had one) or at least tie for it, and yet I have had a year filled with personal bests. I get to put up with comments all the time (And don't get me wrong, I fully realize most of it is good natured hazing) some of which come from pilots who never leave gliding distance of the home field. Here again, I fully realize some pilots get fulfillment out of the sport at this level and if a pilot gets enjoyment out of flagpole sitting year after year more power to him but these are some of the people that I have heard put up the harshest criticism. That said, it always warms my heart when I pick up the phone a never have a problem getting help with a retrieve. Ditch the award. You can come up with something better.

[[email protected]]

On Monday, August 12, 2013 8:59:44 AM UTC-4, Jamie Shore wrote:
> For a few years now, the Soaring Club of Houston (scoh.org), has had an award called the "Brick" award that gave a trophy for the most out-landings in a year. We are now considering retiring the "Brick" and changing the scope of the award. We want the new trophy to reflect proper planning and execution when landing out rather than just recognizing a high land out rate.
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> We would love to hear any constructive criticism that you might have. This new award philosophy is very much in its infancy - we are looking for your feedback in this early stage.
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> Please view the ROUGH DRAFT:
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> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17QGuyY1AOHGMzE4tdGq9af6x3QG5FxZgH-eEc0fV2-k/edit?usp=sharing
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> Jamie Shore
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> Soaring Club of Houston
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> scoh.org

Don't retire the brick, I love it.

[BobW]

On 8/12/2013 6:59 AM, Jamie Shore wrote:
> For a few years now, the Soaring Club of Houston (scoh.org), has had an
> award called the "Brick" award that gave a trophy for the most out-landings
> in a year. We are now considering retiring the "Brick" and changing the
> scope of the award. We want the new trophy to reflect proper planning and
> execution when landing out rather than just recognizing a high land out
> rate.
>
> We would love to hear any constructive criticism that you might have. This
> new award philosophy is very much in its infancy - we are looking for your
> feedback in this early stage.
>
> Please view the ROUGH DRAFT:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17QGuyY1AOHGMzE4tdGq9af6x3QG5FxZgH-eEc0fV2-k/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Thanks, Jamie Shore Soaring Club of Houston scoh.org
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Heh. Everyone's a critic! Personally, I'd vote for both awards...but don't
overthink either one.

Bob W.

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

On Mon
> Thanks,
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> Jamie Shore
> that positive performance
> Soaring Club of Houston
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> scoh.org

In the early days of the Sports Class Nationals a deceased pilots family donated a "Perseverance Trophy", in memory of their father who always tried and never quit, but usually ended up on the bottom of the score sheet. Nice thought, but who wants to be recognized as the one who really tried and couldn't hack it? I believe the trophy was awarded only once and the precipitant stuffed it in a trash can.
I concluded from the above that poor performance should not be highlighted and recognition should be given to good actions like Best Crew of the year or Most interesting retrieve, etc. Recognizing a really good land-out is highlighting an unsuccessful event. We set forth to complete the assigned task, not to do a really good job of failing to do so.
JJ

[Alexander Swagemakers[_2_]]

There was an outlanding competition in germany for many years which has been discontinued for a while now. There were two categories. Best outlanding story and most outlandings. The idea originated in a statement in Helmut Reichmann's book saying that you should plan tasks to your maximum abilities and take into account regular outlandings. Thats basically saying if your not landing out regularly your not pushing hard enough. From this perspective a prize for a lot of outlandings is not a poor pilots award. It is rather a promotion of outlandings being part of the game and encouraging pilots to readily take into account an off field landing.

I have seen a few pilots who feel that an outlanding is an embarrassing failure. Thats absolute nonsense. A lot of world class pilots got there by countless outlandings.

[Peter[_1_]]

My UK club used to award a Lead 'C' in line with the Silver and Gold 'C',
but recognising an ability to not go distance and still land out, not
sure what the exact criterion where... in fact I think the point was
there was no criterion... it was a committee decision... for fun, and in
jest.

Peter

On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 05:59:44 -0700, Jamie Shore wrote:

> For a few years now, the Soaring Club of Houston (scoh.org), has had an
> award called the "Brick" award that gave a trophy for the most
> out-landings in a year. We are now considering retiring the "Brick" and
> changing the scope of the award. We want the new trophy to reflect
> proper planning and execution when landing out rather than just
> recognizing a high land out rate.
>
> We would love to hear any constructive criticism that you might have.
> This new award philosophy is very much in its infancy - we are looking
> for your feedback in this early stage.
>
> Please view the ROUGH DRAFT:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17QGuyY1AOHGMzE4tdGq9af6x3QG5FxZgH-
eEc0fV2-k/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Thanks,
> Jamie Shore Soaring Club of Houston scoh.org

[Chris]

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:43:42 AM UTC-4, Alexander Swagemakers wrote:
> There was an outlanding competition in germany for many years which has been discontinued for a while now. There were two categories. Best outlanding story and most outlandings. The idea originated in a statement in Helmut Reichmann's book saying that you should plan tasks to your maximum abilities and take into account regular outlandings. Thats basically saying if your not landing out regularly your not pushing hard enough. From this perspective a prize for a lot of outlandings is not a poor pilots award. It is rather a promotion of outlandings being part of the game and encouraging pilots to readily take into account an off field landing.
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> I have seen a few pilots who feel that an outlanding is an embarrassing failure. Thats absolute nonsense. A lot of world class pilots got there by countless outlandings.

TOTALLY AGREE!!

[Alan[_6_]]

In article > Alexander Swagemakers > writes:
>There was an outlanding competition in germany for many years which has bee=
>n discontinued for a while now. There were two categories. Best outlanding =
>story and most outlandings. The idea originated in a statement in Helmut Re=
>ichmann's book saying that you should plan tasks to your maximum abilities =
>and take into account regular outlandings. Thats basically saying if your =
>not landing out regularly your not pushing hard enough. From this perspecti=
>ve a prize for a lot of outlandings is not a poor pilots award. It is rathe=
>r a promotion of outlandings being part of the game and encouraging pilots =
>to readily take into account an off field landing.
>
>I have seen a few pilots who feel that an outlanding is an embarrassing fai=
>lure. Thats absolute nonsense. A lot of world class pilots got there by cou=
>ntless outlandings.

Gee, our local examiner expects to see planning to show that one knows
how to avoid off-airport outlandings. This as a part of flight planning.
He looks at this for Private ratings, not just for Commercial (where it is
done as well).

Given that, I would think that an outlanding might well be considered a
bit embarassing if a result of poor planning. (I saw one sitting next to
highway 101 a few years ago after just such poor planning.)

Alan

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Alan wrote, On 8/14/2013 9:41 PM:
> In article > Alexander Swagemakers > writes:

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>> I have seen a few pilots who feel that an outlanding is an embarrassing fai=
>> lure. Thats absolute nonsense. A lot of world class pilots got there by cou=
>> ntless outlandings.
>
> Gee, our local examiner expects to see planning to show that one knows
> how to avoid off-airport outlandings. This as a part of flight planning.
> He looks at this for Private ratings, not just for Commercial (where it is
> done as well).
>
> Given that, I would think that an outlanding might well be considered a
> bit embarassing if a result of poor planning. (I saw one sitting next to
> highway 101 a few years ago after just such poor planning.)

It is important to know how to avoid outlandings, but it doesn't take
much XC flying to realize successfully avoiding outlandings means you
have considerably restricted your soaring. There is often the choice
between proceeding on your task towards uncertain lift, or flying to an
airport for a certain landing. Personally, I often prefer the
potentially soarable direction, as long as I believe I can make a safe
landing.

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