Mig-17 crash

[Big John]

Any Monday morning quarterbacks on this one ?

Assuming that radar contact was lost at 5K it would mean a rate of
descent of around 30,000 feet per minute????

BJ
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Quote from NTSB.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain
errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
report has been completed.

On March 25, 2004, at 0728 mountain standard time, a Mikoyan Gurevich
MiG-17, N508M, was destroyed when it impacted terrain following a
departure from cruise flight near Truth Or Consequences, New Mexico.
The airline transport pilot, the sole occupant in the airplane, was
fatally injured. The airplane was being operated under Title 14 CFR
Part 91. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the personal,
cross-country flight that originated from Roswell, New Mexico, at
0659. The pilot had filed and opened an IFR flight plan with a
destination of Phoenix, Arizona, (Phoenix Deer Valley Airport).

The Albuquerque Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) radar data
indicates that the airplane leveled off at his assigned cruising
altitude (35,000 feet) at approximately 0715. At 0727:30, the pilot
declares an emergency; he reported that he had a fuel transfer
problem. Approximately 1 minute later, ARTCC personnel reported that
the aircraft disappeared from their screen. Search and rescue teams
located the airplane's impact crater on the afternoon of March 27,
approximately 3.5 nautical miles northwest of the last radar return.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Big John wrote:
>
> Any Monday morning quarterbacks on this one ?

My guess is oxygen system failure.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

[Craig]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message >...
> Big John wrote:
> >
> > Any Monday morning quarterbacks on this one ?
>
> My guess is oxygen system failure.
>

More likely got distracted while fartin around trying to transfer fuel
out of the drop tanks. Let the airspeed drop a bit and then let a wing
drop and put it into a spin. 1 minute from 35K to surface says either
a vertical desent or a spin.

Craig C.

[pacplyer]

Big John > wrote in message >...
> Any Monday morning quarterbacks on this one ?

Man John,

30,000 ft a minute? Sounds like a confirmed kill by the Roswell
aliens. OOOoooeeeee....eeeeee.
This sounds like a story for Captain Zoom...

Sorry. It's how I deal with death.

Let's see.. he was only in the air for 28 minutes, about a fifteen
minute climb. So he was only in cruise for a dozen minutes before
something bad got him. Is the Mig 17 pressurized? TOC at that
altitude is less than a couple of minutes IIRC. Odd that he didn't
try to bail/punch out. I'm with George Patterson on this one. It's
hard to configure fuel switches when you're punch drunk from hypoxia
(or muzzelloader for that matter.) Either that or the spar gave out
(starts deforming sideways, pulls apart fuel lines...

pac "pure speculation" plyer




>
> Assuming that radar contact was lost at 5K it would mean a rate of
> descent of around 30,000 feet per minute????
>
> BJ
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> Quote from NTSB.
>
> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain
> errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
> report has been completed.
>
> On March 25, 2004, at 0728 mountain standard time, a Mikoyan Gurevich
> MiG-17, N508M, was destroyed when it impacted terrain following a
> departure from cruise flight near Truth Or Consequences, New Mexico.
> The airline transport pilot, the sole occupant in the airplane, was
> fatally injured. The airplane was being operated under Title 14 CFR
> Part 91. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the personal,
> cross-country flight that originated from Roswell, New Mexico, at
> 0659. The pilot had filed and opened an IFR flight plan with a
> destination of Phoenix, Arizona, (Phoenix Deer Valley Airport).
>
> The Albuquerque Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) radar data
> indicates that the airplane leveled off at his assigned cruising
> altitude (35,000 feet) at approximately 0715. At 0727:30, the pilot
> declares an emergency; he reported that he had a fuel transfer
> problem. Approximately 1 minute later, ARTCC personnel reported that
> the aircraft disappeared from their screen. Search and rescue teams
> located the airplane's impact crater on the afternoon of March 27,
> approximately 3.5 nautical miles northwest of the last radar return.

[Dudley Henriques]

I'd be interested in knowing if the canopy was found. Could have been a
canopy release that killed him on the spot. If that happened, the airplane
would simply roll off and go in under the preset power setting, which at 35K
would have been high percent wise...probably around 85 to 90 percent for a
Mig 17.
Anyway, it would account for the high DR.
Don't know what kind of arrangement the 17 uses for it's fuel pumps, but
from that rate of descent, it doesn't look to me like a flameout situation.
Besides, a flameout wouldn't necessarily equate with loss of control.
My guess is something catastrophic that left the power set all the way
through the event like a canopy failure.
But....with things like this....only a guess. Actually, unless they get
extremely lucky in the investigation, it will be a "probable cause" most
likely. It usually is!!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> Any Monday morning quarterbacks on this one ?
>
> Assuming that radar contact was lost at 5K it would mean a rate of
> descent of around 30,000 feet per minute????
>
> BJ
>
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> Quote from NTSB.
>
> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain
> errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
> report has been completed.
>
> On March 25, 2004, at 0728 mountain standard time, a Mikoyan Gurevich
> MiG-17, N508M, was destroyed when it impacted terrain following a
> departure from cruise flight near Truth Or Consequences, New Mexico.
> The airline transport pilot, the sole occupant in the airplane, was
> fatally injured. The airplane was being operated under Title 14 CFR
> Part 91. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the personal,
> cross-country flight that originated from Roswell, New Mexico, at
> 0659. The pilot had filed and opened an IFR flight plan with a
> destination of Phoenix, Arizona, (Phoenix Deer Valley Airport).
>
> The Albuquerque Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) radar data
> indicates that the airplane leveled off at his assigned cruising
> altitude (35,000 feet) at approximately 0715. At 0727:30, the pilot
> declares an emergency; he reported that he had a fuel transfer
> problem. Approximately 1 minute later, ARTCC personnel reported that
> the aircraft disappeared from their screen. Search and rescue teams
> located the airplane's impact crater on the afternoon of March 27,
> approximately 3.5 nautical miles northwest of the last radar return.
>