Is K13 approved for spins in Europe

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Page 22 of the K13 manual is ambiguous in the English translation. Can someone tell me if page 22 allows or disallows spins when read in the original German copy.

Thanks

[Dan Daly[_2_]]

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:28:29 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Page 22 of the K13 manual is ambiguous in the English translation. Can someone tell me if page 22 allows or disallows spins when read in the original German copy.
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Nothing ambiguous on P22 of the manual of ours; "Semiaerobatics: Besides spins the following aerobatic manouevres may be executed:

Loops etc..."

Page 7 and 8 talk about specific spin behaviour at various CofG's.

Besides means, "in addition to".

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On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:28:29 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Page 22 of the K13 manual is ambiguous in the English translation. Can someone tell me if page 22 allows or disallows spins when read in the original German copy.
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Don't know what's in the German manual but...
In the mid-eighties I had the pleasure to practice spins in an ASK-13 with the late Dr. Angelika Machinek at the St. Remy de Provence aerodrome in France. The French did try to argue with her but I distinctly remember her saying that a) the glider is approved for spins and b) that she is well qualified to do them.
At the time she was the highest ranked female pilot in Europe, I believe. She died in an ultralight at the age of 49.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelika_Machinek
Herb

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"Besides" could also mean "except for". Especially since the US type certificates specifically prohibits spins in the K13. The ambiguity in the translation is why I am seeking an original German manual interpretation.

[Chris Rollings[_2_]]

Bee spinning them since they were new in the late 60's in the UK,
certification was/is "semi-aerobatic" and included "spins, loops, stall
turns and steep turn to 3.5 G" the normal European semi-aerobatic
certification. I was required by the examiner to spin one several times,
as part of my most recent instructor renewal check, within the last 12
months.

At 01:39 28 August 2013, wrote:
>"Besides" could also mean "except for". Especially since the US type
>certificates specifically prohibits spins in the K13. The ambiguity in
the
>translation is why I am seeking an original German manual interpretation.

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[Bengt Aronsson]

Hi,
Here's a link to the valid german flight manual:
http://www.flugsportzentrum-
tirol.at/fileadmin/user_flugverein/FZT/Segelflug/WAWA/Handbue
cher/ASK_D-2347.pdf

The words in german are "Neben Trudeln können folgende
Kunstflug-Figuren geflogen werden:"

To me it is clear, both from german- and english manuals that
spinning is allowed.


At 07:07 28 August 2013, Chris Rollings wrote:
>Bee spinning them since they were new in the late 60's in the
UK
>certification was/is "semi-aerobatic" and included "spins, loops,
stal
>turns and steep turn to 3.5 G" the normal European semi-
aerobati
>certification. I was required by the examiner to spin one
several times
>as part of my most recent instructor renewal check, within the
last 1
>months.
>
>At 01:39 28 August 2013, wrote:
>>"Besides" could also mean "except for". Especially since the
US type
>>certificates specifically prohibits spins in the K13. The
ambiguity i
>the
>>translation is why I am seeking an original German manual
interpretation
>
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>>
>
>

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Thanks for researching this for me.

[Terry Walsh[_3_]]

At 07:07 28 August 2013, Chris Rollings wrote:
>Bee spinning them since they were new in the late 60's in the UK
>certification was/is "semi-aerobatic" and included "spins, loops, stal
>turns and steep turn to 3.5 G" the normal European semi-aerobati
>certification. I was required by the examiner to spin one several times
>as part of my most recent instructor renewal check, within the last 1
>months.
>
>At 01:39 28 August 2013, wrote:
>>"Besides" could also mean "except for". Especially since the US type
>>certificates specifically prohibits spins in the K13. The ambiguity i
>the
>>translation is why I am seeking an original German manual interpretation
>
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>

The ability of the K13 to spin is the main reason for keeping them in
service alongside glass two seaters in a lot of UK clubs where spinning and
recovery is a normal training exercise.

Terry Walsh

[Ventus2NZ]

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:18:57 PM UTC+12, Terry Walsh wrote:
> At 07:07 28 August 2013, Chris Rollings wrote:
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> >Bee spinning them since they were new in the late 60's in the UK
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> >certification was/is "semi-aerobatic" and included "spins, loops, stal
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> >turns and steep turn to 3.5 G" the normal European semi-aerobati
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> >certification. I was required by the examiner to spin one several times
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> >as part of my most recent instructor renewal check, within the last 1
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> >months.
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> >At 01:39 28 August 2013, wrote:
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> >>"Besides" could also mean "except for". Especially since the US type
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> >>certificates specifically prohibits spins in the K13. The ambiguity i
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> >the
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> >>translation is why I am seeking an original German manual interpretation
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> The ability of the K13 to spin is the main reason for keeping them in
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> service alongside glass two seaters in a lot of UK clubs where spinning and
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> recovery is a normal training exercise.
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> Terry Walsh

An addition was made to the type certificate in 1969 to allow semi aerobatics for all serial no's. This is covered in Schleicher ASK 13 TN4 dated 04.07.69

http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/index_e.htm