Pegasus Life span in USA

[Bob Cook[_2_]]

Is it still limited to 3000 hours?

Anyway to get an extension in USA?

Last info I can search is 2010..


Cookie

[SoaringXCellence]

On Monday, October 14, 2013 5:35:14 PM UTC-7, Cookie wrote:
> Is it still limited to 3000 hours?
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> Anyway to get an extension in USA?
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> Last info I can search is 2010..
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> Cookie

Yup, still limited, and with the FAA shutdown you can't even check on the current status.

As I understand it, there is a dispute between the Centrair and the FAA about something, and Centrair just wants to wash their hands of anything going on in the USA.

I have a friend with a 101a that I just love to fly. Fortunately it's far from the 3000 hr. limit.

[Eric Munk]

Shame. On this (European) side of the pond we're flying them a lot longer,
legally. Ours is now past 5000 hours.

At 04:18 15 October 2013, SoaringXCellence wrote:
>On Monday, October 14, 2013 5:35:14 PM UTC-7, Cookie wrote:
>> Is it still limited to 3000 hours?
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>>
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>> Anyway to get an extension in USA?
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>> Last info I can search is 2010..
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>> Cookie
>
>Yup, still limited, and with the FAA shutdown you can't even check on the
>current status.
>
>As I understand it, there is a dispute between the Centrair and the FAA
>about something, and Centrair just wants to wash their hands of anything
>going on in the USA.
>
>I have a friend with a 101a that I just love to fly. Fortunately it's far
>from the 3000 hr. limit.
>

[Bob Cook[_2_]]

I wonder...Could we run up the hours in USA to 3000...then sell the glider
to somebody in Europe?

What's the going price in Europe for a nice Pegasus?


Cookie





At 13:13 15 October 2013, Eric Munk wrote:
>Shame. On this (European) side of the pond we're flying them a lot
longer,
>legally. Ours is now past 5000 hours.
>
>At 04:18 15 October 2013, SoaringXCellence wrote:
>>On Monday, October 14, 2013 5:35:14 PM UTC-7, Cookie wrote:
>>> Is it still limited to 3000 hours?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway to get an extension in USA?
>>>
>>>
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>>> Last info I can search is 2010..
>>>
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>>> Cookie
>>
>>Yup, still limited, and with the FAA shutdown you can't even check on
the
>>current status.
>>
>>As I understand it, there is a dispute between the Centrair and the FAA
>>about something, and Centrair just wants to wash their hands of anything
>>going on in the USA.
>>
>>I have a friend with a 101a that I just love to fly. Fortunately it's
far
>>from the 3000 hr. limit.
>>
>
>

[Mark628CA]

Actually, there is some progress being made on the Pegasus Life Limit AD. Without going into too much detail on RAS, airshow pilot and jet sailplane developer Bob Carlton and myself have done quite a bit of research into the origin of the AD and how it was enacted by the FAA. There are a number of issues that raise questions as to the actual validity and legality of the AD.. These questions and other factors certainly raise the possibility of an acceptable solution, but dealing with the FAA is a glacial process.

To get an idea of the scope of Bob’s research, we have recently started a website that links virtually all of the known data we have in one place. Check out www.savethepegasus.org to access the documentation. Note that this website is only a couple of weeks old, and some sections are not active, or are incomplete. The “Petition to Rescind” and the “Timeline” are the most complete, and have extensive links to FAA regulations, Centrair emails, Administrative Law, technical data from OSTIV and a myriad of other sources that have bearing on the continuing airworthiness of Pegasus gliders past the FAA AD limit of 3,000 hours.

Pegasus owners should be grateful to Bob Carlton for taking hundreds of hours of time to research and compile this information and talk to various FAA officials in an attempt to resolve the issue.

[Bob Cook[_2_]]

Wow! good news!

Thanks


Cookie





At 15:33 15 October 2013, Mark628CA wrote:
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[SoaringXCellence]

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:33:14 AM UTC-5, Mark628CA wrote:
> Actually, there is some progress being made on the Pegasus Life Limit AD. Without going into too much detail on RAS, airshow pilot and jet sailplane developer Bob Carlton and myself have done quite a bit of research into the origin of the AD and how it was enacted by the FAA. There are a number of issues that raise questions as to the actual validity and legality of the AD. These questions and other factors certainly raise the possibility of an acceptable solution, but dealing with the FAA is a glacial process.
>
>
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> To get an idea of the scope of Bob’s research, we have recently started a website that links virtually all of the known data we have in one place. Check out www.savethepegasus.org to access the documentation. Note that this website is only a couple of weeks old, and some sections are not active, or are incomplete. The “Petition to Rescind” and the “Timeline” are the most complete, and have extensive links to FAA regulations, Centrair emails, Administrative Law, technical data from OSTIV and a myriad of other sources that have bearing on the continuing airworthiness of Pegasus gliders past the FAA AD limit of 3,000 hours.
>
>
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> Pegasus owners should be grateful to Bob Carlton for taking hundreds of hours of time to research and compile this information and talk to various FAA officials in an attempt to resolve the issue.

Yes, Fantastic news!

[M North]

That is good news.
Can we get Bob interested in the Blanik L-13 next?

[Eric Munk]

At 13:49 15 October 2013, Bob Cook wrote:
>I wonder...Could we run up the hours in USA to 3000...then sell the glide
>to somebody in Europe?
>
>What's the going price in Europe for a nice Pegasus?
>
>
>Cookie

Yes you can. And some owners have already. Going rate is around 15-20K
Euros for a decent one with a closed trailer, registered in a EU-country,
depending on finish and instrumentation. There's a catch however: they need
to be factory-stock in order to be registered. I.e. no home-made parts
(including instrument panels and the like!), no major mods that are
sometimes done under the experimental category but cannot fly in Europe,
etc. And European AD's sometimes vary wildly from mandatory US ones, so it
is not uncommon to find imported US gliders needing backlogs of SB's and
AD's done in order to pass European inspection. This has fooled owners
importing gliders from outside the EU before... So: get qualified advice
before you do put yours on a boat across the pond.

[Bob Cook[_2_]]

Thanks for the info...gives us another possibility!


Cookie



At 19:38 15 October 2013, Eric Munk wrote:
>At 13:49 15 October 2013, Bob Cook wrote:
>>I wonder...Could we run up the hours in USA to 3000...then sell the
glide
>>to somebody in Europe?
>>
>>What's the going price in Europe for a nice Pegasus?
>>
>>
>>Cookie
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>Yes you can. And some owners have already. Going rate is around 15-20K
>Euros for a decent one with a closed trailer, registered in a EU-country,
>depending on finish and instrumentation. There's a catch however: they
need
>to be factory-stock in order to be registered. I.e. no home-made parts
>(including instrument panels and the like!), no major mods that are
>sometimes done under the experimental category but cannot fly in Europe,
>etc. And European AD's sometimes vary wildly from mandatory US ones, so
it
>is not uncommon to find imported US gliders needing backlogs of SB's and
>AD's done in order to pass European inspection. This has fooled owners
>importing gliders from outside the EU before... So: get qualified advice
>before you do put yours on a boat across the pond.
>
>

[[email protected]]

I am assuming your thinking about pegasus on wings and wheels
i am also struggling weighing whether to consider such plane.
I am glad you asked the question, good updated info.

J

[Bob Cook[_2_]]

Well yes and no...

We are looking for a glider for Freedoms Wings Int'l...needs to be able to
be fitted with hand control rudder...we know that the Pegasus already has
been so fitted...

So the W&W glider is a possibility...or we will wait for another..

Plus the "funding" is still pending!

Cookie

At 01:09 16 October 2013, wrote:
>I am assuming your thinking about pegasus on wings and wheels
>i am also struggling weighing whether to consider such plane.
>I am glad you asked the question, good updated info.
>
>J
>

[[email protected]]

Le mercredi 16 octobre 2013 04:43:40 UTC+2, Cookie a écrit*:
> Well yes and no...

> We are looking for a glider for Freedoms Wings Int'l...needs to be able to
> be fitted with hand control rudder...we know that the Pegasus already has
> been so fitted...

> So the W&W glider is a possibility...or we will wait for another..

> Plus the "funding" is still pending!

> Cookie


The French soaring federation is in the process of having a new system of hand controls manufactured for the Pegasus; the original system made and certified by Centrair was no longer available. The new system was recently approved by the DGAC (French FAA), the EASA STC is expected shortly.

If somebody is interested in buying one, he/she can contact the F.F.V.V. at .

See the announcement here (in French): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57691998/1%20-%20Equipement%20malonnier%20C101%20-%20CIR13_345.pdf

[Bob Cook[_2_]]

Thanks for the info...We are already in touch with the parties in France
regarding the newly approved hand control.

In fact this is what stirred our interest in a Pegasus in the fist place..

Cookie




At 20:31 17 October 2013, wrote:
>Le mercredi 16 octobre 2013 04:43:40 UTC+2, Cookie a =E9crit=A0:
>> Well yes and no...
>
>> We are looking for a glider for Freedoms Wings Int'l...needs to be able
>t=
>o
>> be fitted with hand control rudder...we know that the Pegasus already
has
>> been so fitted...
>
>> So the W&W glider is a possibility...or we will wait for another..
>
>> Plus the "funding" is still pending!
>
>> Cookie
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>The French soaring federation is in the process of having a new system of
>h=
>and controls manufactured for the Pegasus; the original system made and
>cer=
>tified by Centrair was no longer available. The new system was recently
>app=
>roved by the DGAC (French FAA), the EASA STC is expected shortly.=20
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>See the announcement here (in French):
>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/=
>57691998/1%20-%20Equipement%20malonnier%20C101%20-%20CIR13_345.pdf
>

[[email protected]]

Wow. That is some thorough research Bob had done. On the face of it, it seems the FAA made all sorts of glaring procedural errors when enacting this AD. Let's hope there exists sufficient grounds to have the whole AD rescinded. Unfortunately, the links that include the FAA responses and FOIA don't work for me. I'm always thinking about upgrading from my ASW 15 and the Peg is/was high on the list of what I can afford. Keep up the good work, Bob.