FAA's failure to comply with the law.

[Larry Dighera]

Who violates the FAA Administrator?


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Business AVflash Volume 2, Number 07 -- April 14, 2004

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TSA WATCH I: FAA'S FOOT-DRAGGING
This issue's TSA Watch feature includes not one, but two items of
interest for readers. The first item is to update readers about
something on which AVweb's Business AVflash has reported before:
the FAA's failure to comply with the law. As AVweb reported on
March 17, the FAA still hasn't submitted a required report to
Congress "containing an explanation of the need for" the
Washington ADIZ.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/bizav/196-full.html#18

[Teacherjh]

>> Who violates the FAA Administrator?

Anybody who's tired of flying.

Jose

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[Larry Dighera]

On 15 Apr 2004 16:43:32 GMT, (Teacherjh)
wrote in Message-Id: >:

>>> Who violates the FAA Administrator?
>
>Anybody who's tired of flying.
>
>Jose

Implicit in your response is the notion that the FAA Administrator
possesses the power to effectively flout the nation's laws and
practice arbitrary retribution without fear of accountability. Is
that what you meant?

[Teacherjh]

>>
>>> Who violates the FAA Administrator?
>
>Anybody who's tired of flying.
>
>Jose

Implicit in your response is the notion that the FAA Administrator
possesses the power to effectively flout the nation's laws and
practice arbitrary retribution without fear of accountability. Is
that what you meant?
<<

I was making a joke

But yes, that was the gist of it. According to the first post, the
Administrator failed to comply with the law (justifying the DCTFR) and is
getting away with it. There have been numerous cases discussed here where the
FAA has pulled a Hoover. I'd say that some forms of criticising the FAA are
best done with caution, especially in the present environment.

Jose



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[Larry Dighera]

On 15 Apr 2004 18:14:01 GMT, (Teacherjh)
wrote in Message-Id: >:

>I'd say that some forms of criticising the FAA are
>best done with caution, especially in the present environment.

So you feel that the Bush administration has fostered a
Fear-Your-Government ambiance among this nation's (USA) citizenry?

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Larry Dighera > said:
>On 15 Apr 2004 18:14:01 GMT, (Teacherjh)
>wrote in Message-Id: >:
>
>>I'd say that some forms of criticising the FAA are
>>best done with caution, especially in the present environment.
>
>So you feel that the Bush administration has fostered a
>Fear-Your-Government ambiance among this nation's (USA) citizenry?

Much as I'd like to pin this on Bush, "Fear the FAA" predates him. It
probably predates Clinton, but I couldn't afford to fly before Clinton so
I don't know.


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[Teacherjh]

>>
So you feel that the Bush administration has fostered a
Fear-Your-Government ambiance among this nation's (USA) citizenry?
<<

Well, the administration has cultivated an ambiance where "fear your
government" is a reasonable reaction. Sadly, much of the US citizenry does not
realize this, and (mercifully) this is not the forum to debate the larger
issue.

However, the "fear the FAA" ambiance came before, and is not unique to the FAA.
It is a (potential) problem with any organization whose bureaucracy and
policies & procedures insulate it from close oversight. This includes public
schools, health insurance, and Microsoft, to name a few.

Jose <-- (checking to be sure his papers are in order :)



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[Bob Noel]

In article >,
(Teacherjh) wrote:

> >>
> So you feel that the Bush administration has fostered a
> Fear-Your-Government ambiance among this nation's (USA) citizenry?
> <<
>
> Well, the administration has cultivated an ambiance where "fear your
> government" is a reasonable reaction.

hardly reasonable. just consider how long people have had
complete faith/trust in the IRS.

--
Bob Noel

[Teacherjh]

>>
> Well, the administration has cultivated an ambiance where "fear your
> government" is a reasonable reaction.

hardly reasonable. just consider how long people have had
complete faith/trust in the IRS.
<<

I didin't say they originated it, I said they cultivated it.

Jose

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[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:33:31 GMT, Bob Noel
> wrote in Message-Id:
>:

>In article >,
(Teacherjh) wrote:
>
>> >>
>> So you feel that the Bush administration has fostered a
>> Fear-Your-Government ambiance among this nation's (USA) citizenry?
>> <<
>>
>> Well, the administration has cultivated an ambiance where "fear your
>> government" is a reasonable reaction.
>
>hardly reasonable. just consider how long people have had
>complete faith/trust in the IRS.



It appears that it was the Clinton administration that actually did
something about the IRS:


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T A X E S

Lone Ranger at the IRS

New Commissioner Rossotti is making his mark

By MICHAEL HIRSH

Imagine TAKING OVER AS SKIPPER of the Exxon Valdez--just as it's about
to run aground. For Charles O. Rossotti, running the Internal Revenue
Service has been a little like that. The former management-systems
whiz came on board as IRS commissioner in the face of the fiercest
congressional and public criticism the agency has faced in decades--
widespread allegations of systemic corruption and abuse of taxpayers.
The worst of the storm has passed. But Rossotti's been bailing water
ever since he was sworn in on Nov. 13, and early signs are that he's
begun to rid the agency of some of its alleged excesses.

Last week the IRS announced that, in Rossotti's first major move, he
is requiring directors of the agency's 33 districts nationwide to
personally approve any seizure of people's homes, their contents or
"perishable goods" in delinquent tax cases; any other seizures must be
approved by the top-level collection chief. Rossotti called it "a
prudent step... to ensure that corection-enforcernent tools are only
used in appropriate cases." IRS critics -who are legion now in
Washington-applauded. "Ifs a big deal," says former commissioner Fred
Goldberg. "I think he clearly gets it."

Rossotti gets it, all right: he concedes he'll need "the better part
of a decade" to truly reform the IRS. Perhaps that's why he is
starting out small, directing his attention to troubled districts like
Arkansas-Oklahoma. The two-state district was the subject of hearings
held in Oklahoma City last week by Sen. Don Nickles (Republican of
Oklahoma), who looked into allegations of undue pressures on IRS
officers to perform property seizures and close cases prematurely, all
to beef up their managers' ratings. An internal audit released to the
Senate Finance Committee on Friday finds the Oklahoma office operated
"without an appropriate emphasis on quality and customer-service
issues," according to Dale Hart, the region's compliance chief.
("Quality" is IRS bureau- speak for "treating taxpayers right.")

Personnel changes quickly followed the Oklahoma City probe. Kenneth
Sawyer, the district director, retired Nov. 30, and the agency brought
in an outside director to replace him. NEWSWEEK has also learned that
the district's collection chief, Ronald James, who was suspended Sept.
25, has been detailed to a new post outside of the Arkansas-Oklahoma
district.

Still, as Rossotti is discovering, the problem is not so much
individual IRS managers as the system that molds them. The Oklahoma
City findings tell a larger tale of how the agency's managers became
obsessed with production stats that tended to treat taxpayers like
numbers, not people, as the IRS came under intense congressional
pressure, especially in the small-government '80s, to show more
efficiency. Sawyer, in a 1989 internal memo obtained by NEWSWEEK,
complained that the district's "emphases on quality improvement has
.... impacted adversely on productively." He wrote of pushing hard "to
improve our relative standing." In an interview, Sawyer denied that
he ever wrongly emphasized production. Asked to explain his abrupt
departure, he said, "I could have retired four years ago. I've had
enough." James did not return calls.

Such production zeal was not unique to Oklahoma City. The agency's
voracious appetite for stats has also inspired bizarre shell games
between its two main divisions, Exams (audits) and Collections,
nationwide. Collections, for instance, will summarily close thousands
of delinquent accounts-often from bankrupt taxpayers-to make its books
look good. Then it sends them over to Exams, which keeps them on file,
automatically calculating cost-of-living, interest and penalty charges
each year-unbenownst to the taxpayer, who thinks the IRS has dropped
his case. When he gets back on his feet, he often finds himself
suddenly assessed with a huge amount he can't pay. His file goes back
to Collections, which then logs him as a new case. "That's what most
of that $200 billion in uncollected taxes a year amounts to," says one
IRS manager. "Most of it isn't really even owed." By the end of the
month, the IRS is expected to complete a national audit of the misuse
of statistics in evaluating employees-and early reports are that at
least six districts will be found culpable. 'I don't believe anybody
in the IRS now thinks those measures can remain the same," says Robert
Tobias, president of the National Treasury Employees Union.

The Oklahoma City case also shows how when complaints arise, problem
managers are shuffled around to posts in different districts, often
without a reprimand. "Generally they let the water cool, then slip 'em
back into their old jobs," says Dave Martino, an executive with the
NTEU. "That's the way it works in this organization." That's where
Rossotti will need help from Congress. Sometime next spring the
Senate is expected to approve a bill to revamp the IRS that will,
likely give Rossotti greater hire-and-fire powers, and create an
independent oversight board to back his reforms. "You can't just have
a Lone Ranger pushing this agency into shape," says Jeffrey Trinka,
former executive director of the bipartisan IRS restructuring
commission. Perhaps not. And Rossotti's clearly not riding into the
sunset any time soon.

PP 42
NEWSWEEK
DECEMBER 15, 1997

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[Ash Wyllie]

Larry Dighera opined

>On 15 Apr 2004 18:14:01 GMT, (Teacherjh)
>wrote in Message-Id: >:

>>I'd say that some forms of criticising the FAA are
>>best done with caution, especially in the present environment.

>So you feel that the Bush administration has fostered a
>Fear-Your-Government ambiance among this nation's (USA) citizenry?

Vietnam.
Waco.
Ruby Ridge.



-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

[Gig Giacona]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, Larry Dighera > said:
> >On 15 Apr 2004 18:14:01 GMT, (Teacherjh)
> >wrote in Message-Id: >:
> >
> >>I'd say that some forms of criticising the FAA are
> >>best done with caution, especially in the present environment.
> >
> >So you feel that the Bush administration has fostered a
> >Fear-Your-Government ambiance among this nation's (USA) citizenry?
>
> Much as I'd like to pin this on Bush, "Fear the FAA" predates him. It
> probably predates Clinton, but I couldn't afford to fly before Clinton so
> I don't know.
>
>
> --

I started, officially learning to fly in 1979 and the fear of the FAA was
alive and well then. SO....

Let's blame the Carter administration and if that is the case, the FAA was
the only feared branch of government under Carter.