Cross Country Logging time

[Jim]

I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
(did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.

Should I log the entire flight as a >50nm Cross Country flight, or just
a portion? Should I delete the time spent doing touch and goes at
Airport D from the Cross Country time?

[Andrew Sarangan]

Jim > wrote in :

> I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
> (did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
> to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
> Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.
>
> Should I log the entire flight as a >50nm Cross Country flight, or just
> a portion? Should I delete the time spent doing touch and goes at
> Airport D from the Cross Country time?
>
>
>
>

You can log the whole flight as cross country because you went farther
than 50NM from your home airport. However, a more practical question is,
does this flight really build your cross country experience? My guess is
no. So it really depends on what you are logging for.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jim wrote:
>
> Should I log the entire flight as a >50nm Cross Country flight, or just
> a portion?

Log the whole thing.

George Patterson
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[Mike O'Malley]

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
. 158...
> Jim > wrote in :
>
> > I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
> > (did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
> > to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
> > Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.
> >
> > Should I log the entire flight as a >50nm Cross Country flight, or just
> > a portion? Should I delete the time spent doing touch and goes at
> > Airport D from the Cross Country time?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> You can log the whole flight as cross country because you went farther
> than 50NM from your home airport. However, a more practical question is,
> does this flight really build your cross country experience? My guess is
> no. So it really depends on what you are logging for.
>

Are you planning on using the time for a certificate or rating? If so, none
of it is loggable, as each leg was <50 nm. BUT, for any other purpose,
(part 135 or 121 experience, insurence) it IS cross country, as defined
elsewhere in the regs, as any point to point flight.

[Hilton]

Jim,

Log it all as XC time.

Hilton


"Jim" > wrote in message ...
> I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
> (did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
> to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
> Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.
>
> Should I log the entire flight as a >50nm Cross Country flight, or just
> a portion? Should I delete the time spent doing touch and goes at
> Airport D from the Cross Country time?
>
>
>

[BTIZ]

>
> Are you planning on using the time for a certificate or rating? If so,
none
> of it is loggable, as each leg was <50 nm. BUT, for any other purpose,
> (part 135 or 121 experience, insurence) it IS cross country, as defined
> elsewhere in the regs, as any point to point flight.
>

B***S***... by defintion of Part 61, and also FAQ file for Part 61, the
entire time can be counted towards a rating... he went more than 50nm from
airport A.. to D.. it does not matter how many airports he touched in
between. "the farthest point from the declared start of the cross country
counts." granted.. a prudent person might only log the time not spent doing
multiple T&Gs.

BT

[Lisa]

Mike O'Malley wrote:

> "Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
> . 158...
> > Jim > wrote in :
> >
> > > I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
> > > (did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
> > > to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
> > > Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.
> > >
> > > Should I log the entire flight as a >50nm Cross Country flight, or just
> > > a portion? Should I delete the time spent doing touch and goes at
> > > Airport D from the Cross Country time?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You can log the whole flight as cross country because you went farther
> > than 50NM from your home airport. However, a more practical question is,
> > does this flight really build your cross country experience? My guess is
> > no. So it really depends on what you are logging for.

Probably just logging to have an accurate record of the flight. How would a
cross country flight not build one's x-country experience? Sounds like a
pretty good flight, lots of navigation, finding airports, and landing practice
too.

>
> >
>
> Are you planning on using the time for a certificate or rating? If so, none
> of it is loggable, as each leg was <50 nm. BUT, for any other purpose,
> (part 135 or 121 experience, insurence) it IS cross country, as defined
> elsewhere in the regs, as any point to point flight.

Huh? The OP stated that Airports A&D are greater than 50 nm apart. Based on
this, the leg from Airport D to Airport A was greater than 50 miles.
Therefore, the entire flight may be logged as a cross country for the purposes
of satisfying any requirement for cross country flight of greater than 50
nautical miles.

You are correct that any point to point flight may be considered "cross country"
but the OP was clear about logging for the purpose of a >50 nm cross country.

[Marty]

"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:Mpmhc.18180$432.6521@fed1read01...
> >
> > Are you planning on using the time for a certificate or rating? If so,
> none
> > of it is loggable, as each leg was <50 nm. BUT, for any other purpose,
> > (part 135 or 121 experience, insurence) it IS cross country, as defined
> > elsewhere in the regs, as any point to point flight.
> >
>
> B***S***... by defintion of Part 61, and also FAQ file for Part 61, the
> entire time can be counted towards a rating... he went more than 50nm from
> airport A.. to D.. it does not matter how many airports he touched in
> between. "the farthest point from the declared start of the cross country
> counts." granted.. a prudent person might only log the time not spent
doing
> multiple T&Gs.
>
> BT
>
>
I interpret this as it states, for a PPL applicant,
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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§ 61.109 Aeronautical experience.

(other requirements snipped)

(ii) One solo cross-country flight of at least 150 nautical miles total
distance, with full-stop landings at a minimum of three points, and one
segment of the flight consisting of a straight-line distance of at least 50
nautical miles between the takeoff and landing locations
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Loggable as a X-country time for a student? Yes, provided the CFI signed off
on it.
But not valid for the one "long X-country" required for the PP rating.

MG

[Peter Duniho]

"Marty" > wrote in message
...
> But not valid for the one "long X-country" required for the PP rating.

Nobody said it was.

[Teacherjh]

>>
I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
(did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.
<<

I log as cross country the entirety of any flight any of whose landings is more
than 50 nm from any other landing.

Jose

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[Mike O'Malley]

"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:Mpmhc.18180$432.6521@fed1read01...
> >
> > Are you planning on using the time for a certificate or rating? If so,
> none
> > of it is loggable, as each leg was <50 nm. BUT, for any other purpose,
> > (part 135 or 121 experience, insurence) it IS cross country, as defined
> > elsewhere in the regs, as any point to point flight.
> >
>
> B***S***... by defintion of Part 61, and also FAQ file for Part 61, the
> entire time can be counted towards a rating... he went more than 50nm from
> airport A.. to D.. it does not matter how many airports he touched in
> between. "the farthest point from the declared start of the cross country
> counts." granted.. a prudent person might only log the time not spent
doing
> multiple T&Gs.

D'oh! Looks like I'm the confused one. I too confused the student x-c
requirement with a single leg over 50, with the 50nm requirement for
commercial and IR requirements.

I really need to start re-reading my regs again...

Thanks,
Mike

[C J Campbell]

"Jim" > wrote in message ...
> I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
> (did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
> to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
> Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.
>
> Should I log the entire flight as a >50nm Cross Country flight, or just
> a portion? Should I delete the time spent doing touch and goes at
> Airport D from the Cross Country time?

Any flight where you land some place other than your point of departure is a
cross country flight and you should log the entire time. Also, you landed
more than 50 nm from your original point of departure so you can also count
that as cross country time for those pilot ratings or certificates that
require that.

The regulations say nothing about intermediate stops. You can make as many
as you like. Some people hop around more than a flea in a hot pan. Nothing
says you can't.

[James L. Freeman]

Jim > wrote in message >...
> I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
> (did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
> to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
> Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.
>
> Should I log the entire flight as a >50nm Cross Country flight, or just
> a portion? Should I delete the time spent doing touch and goes at
> Airport D from the Cross Country time?


An interesting piece of FAR trivia, somewhat related to your question:
The 1986 flight by Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager, cirumnavigating the
globe in Burt Rutan's Voyager, would NOT count as cross country time
for the PP or COM certificate because it did not include a landing
more than 50 NM from the point of departure. It would count for the
ATP certificate, which does not require a landing. That
record-setting flight lasted over nine days and covered almost 25,000
miles.

[David Brooks]

"Teacherjh" > wrote in message
...
> >>
> I flew from Airport A to Airport B (did 1 touch-and-go) to Airport C
> (did 1 touch and go) to airport D (did 3 touch and goes), then returned
> to Airport A and landed. Airports A & D are greater than 50 nm apart.
> Airports A&B, B&C, and C&D are less than 50 nm apart, respectively.
> <<
>
> I log as cross country the entirety of any flight any of whose landings is
more
> than 50 nm from any other landing.

That's entirely your right (it's your logbook), and it certainly "feels"
like a crosscountry. If you have the Instrument and Commercial, it won't
matter.

However, you can't necessarily claim such a flight as part of the 50 hour
requirement for one of those ratings (61.1(b)(3)(ii)(B)), and many of us use
the cross-country column for that purpose. You can divide such a flight into
two portions and declare a second "original point of departure", but some
regard that as having less value. The examiner might not check, of course.

-- David Brooks

[Tom Sixkiller]

"James L. Freeman" > wrote in message
om...
>
> An interesting piece of FAR trivia, somewhat related to your question:
> The 1986 flight by Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager, cirumnavigating the
> globe in Burt Rutan's Voyager, would NOT count as cross country time
> for the PP or COM certificate because it did not include a landing
> more than 50 NM from the point of departure. It would count for the
> ATP certificate, which does not require a landing. That
> record-setting flight lasted over nine days and covered almost 25,000
> miles.

Yup..it counted as one HUGE touch-an-go.