Part Time Aviation Jobs

[Curt Fennell]

What kinds of part time jobs are available for pilots besides CFI/II?
Is charter and or ferrying something one can do part time?

Also, I know you don't get paid to join the CAP, but do you have to
pay to fly with them once you join?

TIA,
Curt
--
Curt Fennell - curt at phins dot com

[Seagram]

> What kinds of part time jobs are available for pilots besides CFI/II?
> Is charter and or ferrying something one can do part time?
>
> Also, I know you don't get paid to join the CAP, but do you have to
> pay to fly with them once you join?
>
> TIA,
> Curt
> --
> Curt Fennell - curt at phins dot com

Don't you know what CAP stands for ? Come And Pay.

Seriously though folks, yes assuming you have the patience to get qualified
to be a mission pilot, you can fly funded missions and exercises for which
CAP pays for the aircraft operation. If you fly the airplane for
proficiency, then you have to rent the plane, but the rate is usually below
market. Other stuff like uniform, annual dues, monthly squadron dues, food
& overnight while out on a mission is out of pocket for you. If you live in
a state where CAP is responsible for fire patrol during the summer it can be
some good flight time. Plus you're helping people with your flying which of
itself is a noble cause. Where else can you be a civilian and strut around
in a flight suit ?

[Richard Hertz]

"Seagram" > wrote in message
...
> > What kinds of part time jobs are available for pilots besides CFI/II?
> > Is charter and or ferrying something one can do part time?
> >
> > Also, I know you don't get paid to join the CAP, but do you have to
> > pay to fly with them once you join?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Curt
> > --
> > Curt Fennell - curt at phins dot com
>
> Don't you know what CAP stands for ? Come And Pay.
>
> Seriously though folks, yes assuming you have the patience to get
qualified
> to be a mission pilot, you can fly funded missions and exercises for which
> CAP pays for the aircraft operation. If you fly the airplane for
> proficiency, then you have to rent the plane, but the rate is usually
below
> market. Other stuff like uniform, annual dues, monthly squadron dues,
food
> & overnight while out on a mission is out of pocket for you. If you live
in
> a state where CAP is responsible for fire patrol during the summer it can
be
> some good flight time. Plus you're helping people with your flying which
of
> itself is a noble cause. Where else can you be a civilian and strut
around
> in a flight suit ?

Not sure I would want to be caught in a CAP "flight suit."

>
>

[C J Campbell]

"Richard Hertz" > wrote in message
. net...
Where else can you be a civilian and strut
> around
> > in a flight suit ?
>
> Not sure I would want to be caught in a CAP "flight suit."

Makes you look a Smurf. Get the green one instead.

[Otis Winslow]

"Richard Hertz" > wrote in message
. net...
>
>>
> Not sure I would want to be caught in a CAP "flight suit."

People I talk to tell me CAP is loaded with military rejects and wannabes
and
former military with large egos. While the flying part would be fun if you
actually got to do it, the environment doesn't sound too appealling. Having
played that game once in the early 70s, I wouldn't want to go there again.

[Jay Honeck]

> People I talk to tell me CAP is loaded with military rejects and wannabes
> and
> former military with large egos. While the flying part would be fun if you
> actually got to do it, the environment doesn't sound too appealling.
Having
> played that game once in the early 70s, I wouldn't want to go there again.

I've heard these same stories. Nonetheless, my son is planning to join CAP
this summer.

I'll report back here from time to time on the environment they provide.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Chuck Gerlach]

Ok folks. There are green flight suits and there are several different
shades of blue flight suits. If you met the national grooming standards
(which aren't all the difficult except you can't have a beard which I do)
you wear the green one. Otherwise you wear the blue ones. No big deal.

Like any organization you have people with egos and people without. Egos
aren't limited just to the military. I don't know about the military
rejects and wannabees. In the 2 1/2 years I've been in CAP I've worked with
all sorts of people. A regular cross section of all the pilots I've know.

The single thread that ties all the volunteers together is volunteering time
(and money) to what they consider a good cause. It's hooky but that's the
way it is.

I'm not going to kid anyone. There is a lot of paperwork and regulations.
There are checkrides and practice missions. There are calls in the middle
of the night to find an ELT satelite hit. There is working your way up
through the specialities to become a mission pilot. (That in itself takes
several years.) That's just the way it is.

Now where do the stories come from? Someone joins a local CAP squadron and
it doesn't work out. Personalities, egoes, time, expectations, whatever. It
doesn't have to be bad, it just didn't work. They leave and spread the
word on how crappy CAP is.

I've said enough. I've got flying to do.

Chuck Gerlach



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:O3Qhc.1996$w96.428947@attbi_s54...
> > People I talk to tell me CAP is loaded with military rejects and
wannabes
> > and
> > former military with large egos. While the flying part would be fun if
you
> > actually got to do it, the environment doesn't sound too appealling.
> Having
> > played that game once in the early 70s, I wouldn't want to go there
again.
>
> I've heard these same stories. Nonetheless, my son is planning to join
CAP
> this summer.
>
> I'll report back here from time to time on the environment they provide.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

I was a cadet in CAP while I was in high school. I was an interesting and
educational time. One of the best times was a two week encampment at the
Air Force academy. I got a ride in a two seat F-16 that I still remember 24
years later like it was yesterday. There are also a lot of benefits to the
kid that is looking at going into the Air Force after graduation. I think
they go in as an Airman First class.

Paul Davis


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:O3Qhc.1996$w96.428947@attbi_s54...
> > People I talk to tell me CAP is loaded with military rejects and
wannabes
> > and
> > former military with large egos. While the flying part would be fun if
you
> > actually got to do it, the environment doesn't sound too appealling.
> Having
> > played that game once in the early 70s, I wouldn't want to go there
again.
>
> I've heard these same stories. Nonetheless, my son is planning to join
CAP
> this summer.
>
> I'll report back here from time to time on the environment they provide.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>




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[Curt Fennell]

Thanks for all the info about CAP. It's very interesting.

But what about the other part-time aviation jobs? Any thoughts...?

Curt
--
Curt Fennell - curt at phins dot com

[gatt]

"Richard Hertz" > wrote in message
news:xwFhc.89660$

>
> Not sure I would want to be caught in a CAP "flight suit."

I had a very bad experience with a Texas branch of the CAP in 1995 in Baton
Rouge.

The kids were great. At least a couple pilots got bitched out by tower and
ground on freq 'cause they were so friggin' arrogant.

-c

[gatt]

"Curt Fennell" > wrote in message
news:GRRhc.18535

> Thanks for all the info about CAP. It's very interesting.
>
> But what about the other part-time aviation jobs? Any thoughts...?

LOL! It became a CAP thread. I'm curious about the other jobs, too.

-c

[Michael]

Curt Fennell > wrote
> What kinds of part time jobs are available for pilots besides CFI/II?
> Is charter and or ferrying something one can do part time?

There are all sorts of part time jobs out there, but getting one isn't
really easy. Here are some ideas.

Towing gliders. A commercial operation is best, because a club will
usually expect you to pay to join the club and possibly pay monthly
dues as well. Realize that the planes are generally not very well
maintained.

Towing banners. This business is way down since 9/11 and all the TFR
nonsense. Also, the maintenance tends to be even worse than for
glider tugs.\

For both of these, you usually need signifiant tailwheel experience
(25 hours minimum, but 100-200 isn't rare) just to meet the insurance
requirements.

Dropping jumpers. Usually the insurance company wants to see 25
flights dropping jumpers before they will cover you. How you get
those flights in your logbook is up to you. Some DZ's operate without
insurance, but generally those guys want to see aerobatic experience.
About the maintenance...

This is about it when it comes to part time opportunities. Part time
charter is generally not an option in the light piston world. You
have to have regular checkrides, be on an approved drug testing
program, have training - and all those things cost just as much for a
part-timer as they do for a full-timer. What's more, a full-timer is
a better bet because he really needs the money and flight time, and is
less likely to turn down a flight for mechanical or weather reasons.

Ferrying is possible, but unless you have access to deeply discounted
airline tickets or experience (and thus insurability) in the higher
performance stuff, you're probably not competitive.

Basically, when it comes to non-instructional part time flying jobs,
if you have to ask about it on the net you probably can't get one.

Michael

[Richard Kaplan]

"Michael" > wrote in message
om...

> Basically, when it comes to non-instructional part time flying jobs,
> if you have to ask about it on the net you probably can't get one.

All true with one addition although it is not really a "flying" job: I have
heard that airports which require manual weather observations often prefer
to hire pilots to be weather observers. There is a relatively short
training program and then the hours are part-time as-needed or as-available.


--------------------
Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com