Iowa to Washington State?

[Jay Honeck]

According to Destination Direct, we are just 10.5 hours away from my sister
in Sequim, WA.

D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
The terrain looks very high, indeed.

Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
(and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?

Thanks in advance...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:ENfic.12459$w96.1176412@attbi_s54...
>
> Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane (and pilots!) to fly
> over the Rockies?
>

The early airmail pilots did it. I'm pretty sure the Rockies aren't
significantly higher now than they were then.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies?

You've read "Flight of Passage" and have to ask that question?

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

[Jay Honeck]

> The early airmail pilots did it. I'm pretty sure the Rockies aren't
> significantly higher now than they were then.

True, but with an unacceptably high degree of risk. Their accident and
mortality rates were appalling.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ben Jackson]

In article <ENfic.12459$w96.1176412@attbi_s54>,
Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
>D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
>The terrain looks very high, indeed.

For the northern route I believe the wisdom is to fly I-90. I think
this is the route I copied from someone:

GEG MLP MSO DRU GLUES CPN HIA LVM BIL

I don't think you have to go too far over 10000 to fly that.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:3tgic.13250$aQ6.978141@attbi_s51...
>
> True, but with an unacceptably high degree of risk. Their accident and
> mortality rates were appalling.
>

Primarily due to weather. Weather reporting, forecasting and instrument
flying capabilities are significantly better today than eight decades ago.

[Bob Gardner]

I've delivered many a PA-28 to Seattle using the northern route. Not a
biggie, but not a walk in the park either. Use common sense and stay abreast
of the weather. You don't have to fly over the highest peaks, you know.

Bob Gardner

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:ENfic.12459$w96.1176412@attbi_s54...
> According to Destination Direct, we are just 10.5 hours away from my
sister
> in Sequim, WA.
>
> D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
> The terrain looks very high, indeed.
>
> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?
>
> Thanks in advance...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:ENfic.12459$w96.1176412@attbi_s54...
> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?

Should be doable just fine. Things get relatively low around the Cheyenne
area. Following I-80 across the Rockies should be okay.

At around Boise, you'll have to turn northwest and cross some more
mountains, and then once again to get over the Cascades. But all of those
should be no trouble even for a normally-aspirated engine. Make sure you
watch the weather though. Even IFR it can be tricky, and if I recall, you
are still working on your instrument rating?

When I fly Seattle to Fort Collins, CO, the highest IFR MEA along that route
is 13000', but only for a very short segment, and it's a result of the
airway going right over a lone bump. VFR you could easily cross the bump
lower, or just go around if you prefer.

I think it could done following I-90 the whole way too, but not having flown
that route (not farther east than Missoula anyway), I can't say without
looking at a chart I don't have in front of me. :)

Pete

[Jay Honeck]

> You've read "Flight of Passage" and have to ask that question?

Okay, let me re-phrase this question:

Can I safely take my family in a 235 hp, normally aspirated aircraft from
Iowa to Washington State?

If so, what route do you recommend? Will it require oxygen?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[gatt]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message

> > Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane (and pilots!) to fly
> > over the Rockies?

I rode as a passenger over the Rockies to Denver in a Warrior when I was a
kid.

-c

[Peter Duniho]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:xRgic.13356$_L6.1033718@attbi_s53...
> If so, what route do you recommend? Will it require oxygen?

No oxygen should be required. See my other post for more details.

[Blanche]

jay:

there are a number of lower altitude routes where you won't have
altitude problems -- weather, possibly, but not altitude. Go find
the appropriate sectionals and start reviewing them. Don't depend
on DD or any other flight software to plan for you. They
are very misleading. For example, the DD route (V210/83) south of
PUB into ALS has MEF of 14.4. Yet I go thru there all the time
(cherokee 180) at 12.5. Why? Because there's pass (LaVeta Pass)
that isn't on the IFR charts or DD.

Come by a few days early and take the Idaho Mountain course or
the Colorado Mountain course. No problems with your 235.

Don't want to go high? BIL-JUGAP-HLN-MSO-MLP-W28 and
never over 10K. True, that's not an IFR route part of
the route, but there are lots of airports on the way.

[EDR]

In article >, Peter Duniho
> wrote:

> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:xRgic.13356$_L6.1033718@attbi_s53...
> > If so, what route do you recommend? Will it require oxygen?

> No oxygen should be required. See my other post for more details.

O2 may not be required, but I would recommend it.
You can rent portable O2 systems.
At my age, I don't believe in flying over 10,000 for more than 30
minutes without it.
I use a canula so I can still use my headset, eat and drink normally.

[EDR]

In article <ENfic.12459$w96.1176412@attbi_s54>, Jay Honeck
> wrote:

> According to Destination Direct, we are just 10.5 hours away from my sister
> in Sequim, WA.
> D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
> The terrain looks very high, indeed.
> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?

Remember, cross ridges at a 45 degree angle.
It makes it easier to do a 45 degree turn away from the ridge instead
of a 180.

[C J Campbell]

I do it all the time. Jane's mother lives near Sheridan, Wyoming.

I recommend that you take the northern route through Great Falls. You can
stay under 10,000 feet the whole way if you want to.

[mikem]

Hey Jay,

come visit us in SLC. I80 to SLC and I84 to Seattle. Never have to get
above ~ 9000'

I have to fly over some mountains no matter where I go from SLC.
The hightest routes are between SLC and DEN or COS. Not so high if
you fly the passes.

I do it in a 230HP Skylane or 150HP Pacer., no oxy.

MikeM
Skylane '1MM
Pacer '00Z
SLC





Jay Honeck wrote:
> According to Destination Direct, we are just 10.5 hours away from my sister
> in Sequim, WA.
>
> D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
> The terrain looks very high, indeed.
>
> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?
>
> Thanks in advance...

[David Brooks]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...

> When I fly Seattle to Fort Collins, CO, the highest IFR MEA along that
route
> is 13000', but only for a very short segment, and it's a result of the
> airway going right over a lone bump. VFR you could easily cross the bump
> lower, or just go around if you prefer.

I thought it was due to radar coverage? However, I could believe it's Mount
Stuart. BTW, from memory the MEA is 12K, so you'd see 13K eastbound. In any
case, yes, that's much higher than necessary for VFR.

The route from Seattle to Ellensburg has an 8K MEA.

> I think it could done following I-90 the whole way too, but not having
flown
> that route (not farther east than Missoula anyway), I can't say without
> looking at a chart I don't have in front of me. :)

If you follow I-90, watch for the sharp turn at Snoqualmie Pass (the main
pass over the Cascades). At least one plane has missed the turn and come to
grief in a nearby canyon.

None of this helps you across the Rockies :-)

-- David Brooks

[Newps]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:ENfic.12459$w96.1176412@attbi_s54...
> According to Destination Direct, we are just 10.5 hours away from my
sister
> in Sequim, WA.
>
> D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
> The terrain looks very high, indeed.
>
> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?

If you can get that crate up to 10,500 that's all you need. If mountain
avoidance is your goal than 6500 will do it. The pass between Livingston
and Bozeman is at 6200, so sailing by at 6500 on a calm day is pretty cool.
Head down the valley that Ennis is in SW of Bozeman, sail by the Tetons and
on down into the smiley face of southern Idaho and you are home free. Of
course anybody who has a Pathfinder and goes this route is a wimp of
biblical proprtions. GPS direct with slight deviations for some peaks is
the way to go.

[Newps]

If you do make the trip let me know and I will tell you the best price for
gas in this area. It will not ever be here at BIL, but not too far away.



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:ENfic.12459$w96.1176412@attbi_s54...
> According to Destination Direct, we are just 10.5 hours away from my
sister
> in Sequim, WA.
>
> D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
> The terrain looks very high, indeed.
>
> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?
>
> Thanks in advance...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Newps" > wrote in message
...
> If you do make the trip let me know and I will tell you the best price for
> gas in this area. It will not ever be here at BIL, but not too far away.
>
>
http://www.airnav.com/airport/U68 North Big Horn County Airport
Cowley/Lovell/Byron, Wyoming, USA --- $2.00 a gallon, 54nm from BIL.

[Mike Rapoport]

As you go farther north they get lower. On a direct line between DSM and
Sequim, the highest terrain is 10,000. With a two short zigs and zags, the
highest terrain is below 8000'. When are you going?

Mike
MU-2

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:ENfic.12459$w96.1176412@attbi_s54...
> According to Destination Direct, we are just 10.5 hours away from my
sister
> in Sequim, WA.
>
> D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
> The terrain looks very high, indeed.
>
> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?
>
> Thanks in advance...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Peter Duniho]

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
> O2 may not be required, but I would recommend it.

Recommended, sure, I'll agree with that. If nothing else, it will make a
huge difference in your condition by the end of the flight. Not only will
the final approach and landing go better, you'll feel a lot better and less
tired too.

But I don't think that was Jay's original question. :) And he's been here
long enough to see others post on the virtues of oxygen even when not
mandated by FAR.

Pete

[Peter Duniho]

"David Brooks" > wrote in message
...
> I thought it was due to radar coverage? However, I could believe it's
Mount
> Stuart. BTW, from memory the MEA is 12K, so you'd see 13K eastbound. In
any
> case, yes, that's much higher than necessary for VFR.

I'm almost certain it's due to the terrain under the route. It's fun
watching the solitary mountain go by underneath as you fly by (when visual
conditions prevail, of course). I think you're right about the 12K/13K
thing though. All I could recall off the top of my head is that I knew I
wound up at 13K. Had I bothered to look at a chart I would've realized what
the actual MEA is.

In any case, the point is that it's easily doable VFR along that route,
without oxygen.

> If you follow I-90, watch for the sharp turn at Snoqualmie Pass (the main
> pass over the Cascades). At least one plane has missed the turn and come
to
> grief in a nearby canyon.

IMHO, if you are crossing Snoqualmie Pass for the first time and you are low
enough that you have to follow the highway rather than cutting the corner,
you are too low.

That's just me though. I suppose others would disagree.

Pete

[Jay Beckman]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:ENfic.12459$w96.1176412@attbi_s54...
> According to Destination Direct, we are just 10.5 hours away from my
sister
> in Sequim, WA.
>
> D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
> The terrain looks very high, indeed.
>
> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?
>
> Thanks in advance...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

Jay H,

My CFI just got back from flying up to the Denver area in a C172SP.

He says they had to touch the "soft underbelly" of 13,500' in a couple of
spots.

To me, that's a little too high to be in a 172 ... but he thougt it was "a
hoot!"

Regards,

Jay B

[Jay Honeck]

> As you go farther north they get lower. On a direct line between DSM and
> Sequim, the highest terrain is 10,000. With a two short zigs and zags,
the
> highest terrain is below 8000'. When are you going?

Ha! First the kids have to be out of school, I have to set up staffing at
the hotel, and -- the biggie -- convince Mary that it's doable.

It would also help if our annual next month is a merciful one. ;-)

We're working so many airshows this summer, we have very little free time
left. Best bet looks like around July 4th weekend, which (strangely enough)
is traditionally very quiet in Iowa City.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Big John]

Jay

One more item that has not been mention in this thread.

Be sure and check density altitude at the airports you take off from
enroute. Even with 235 HP you might, due to loading (pax, fuel, dog,
baggage, etc.) get pretty close to the edge of the envelope. Set down
and compute what your T/O performance is at 60-65% power to get a feel
of what you might run into in the warmer WX and high altitude fields.

You might have to schedule some early morning T/O's if temp gets up.
Of course that is not al bad as the 'ride' is normally better before
the humps and bumps come up with the heat of the day.

After all that has been posted, fly conservative and you should have a
good trip and see lots of country besides corn field after soy bean
field after corn field after soy bean field as far as the eye can see
:o)

Watch the WX and have a good trip.

Big John


On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:07:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> The early airmail pilots did it. I'm pretty sure the Rockies aren't
>> significantly higher now than they were then.
>
>True, but with an unacceptably high degree of risk. Their accident and
>mortality rates were appalling.

[C J Campbell]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:xgtic.18359$IW1.975446@attbi_s52...
>
> We're working so many airshows this summer, we have very little free time
> left. Best bet looks like around July 4th weekend, which

is just about time for the NWEAA Fly-in at Arlington, WA.

[Blanche]

Jay Beckman > wrote:

>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
[snip]
>> D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
>> The terrain looks very high, indeed.
>>
>> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
>> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?
>>
>Jay H,
>
>My CFI just got back from flying up to the Denver area in a C172SP.
>
>He says they had to touch the "soft underbelly" of 13,500' in a couple of
>spots.
>
>To me, that's a little too high to be in a 172 ... but he thougt it was "a
>hoot!"

JayB:

If Denver was the target, where did he start? I live in Denver
(well, the 'burbs') and even going west, never need to go that
high for VFR.

[Michelle P]

Jay,
I went Everett, WA to Sheridan, WY with a stop in Missoula, MT then onto
St. Louis, MO.
This route is doable. We have the same horse power engine. Take the O2.
I went at 12-14 K to keep some distance between me and the ground.
Michelle

Jay Honeck wrote:

>According to Destination Direct, we are just 10.5 hours away from my sister
>in Sequim, WA.
>
>D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
>The terrain looks very high, indeed.
>
>Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
>(and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?
>
>Thanks in advance...
>
>

--

Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P

"Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike)

Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic

Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity

[Jay Beckman]

"Blanche" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Beckman > wrote:
>
> >"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> [snip]
> >> D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from
there.
> >> The terrain looks very high, indeed.
> >>
> >> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated
plane
> >> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?
> >>
> >Jay H,
> >
> >My CFI just got back from flying up to the Denver area in a C172SP.
> >
> >He says they had to touch the "soft underbelly" of 13,500' in a couple of
> >spots.
> >
> >To me, that's a little too high to be in a 172 ... but he thougt it was
"a
> >hoot!"
>
> JayB:
>
> If Denver was the target, where did he start? I live in Denver
> (well, the 'burbs') and even going west, never need to go that
> high for VFR.
>
>

Blanche...

They departed from/returned to KCHD: Chandler Municipal Airport in the SE
part of the Phoenix, AZ valley.

Jay B

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:atxic.20424$432.1680@fed1read01...
> > If Denver was the target, where did he start? I live in Denver
> > (well, the 'burbs') and even going west, never need to go that
> > high for VFR.
> >
> >
>
> Blanche...
>
> They departed from/returned to KCHD: Chandler Municipal Airport in the SE
> part of the Phoenix, AZ valley.
>

Using 13,500 you could damn near go direct (I'd do it coming in from the
south at Walsenburg) , but probably northeast to Santa Fe, over to Las
Vegas, NM then north to Denver. Piece of cake. At 13,500 they'd have to be
on oxygen for a while.

[Jay Beckman]

"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
> news:atxic.20424$432.1680@fed1read01...
> > > If Denver was the target, where did he start? I live in Denver
> > > (well, the 'burbs') and even going west, never need to go that
> > > high for VFR.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Blanche...
> >
> > They departed from/returned to KCHD: Chandler Municipal Airport in the
SE
> > part of the Phoenix, AZ valley.
> >
>
> Using 13,500 you could damn near go direct (I'd do it coming in from the
> south at Walsenburg) , but probably northeast to Santa Fe, over to Las
> Vegas, NM then north to Denver. Piece of cake. At 13,500 they'd have to be
> on oxygen for a while.
>
>

Tom,

Funny you should mention "direct." My CFI mentioned that they were handed
lots of "Direct To's..." and he was kind of "dissapointed" that ATC didn't
make him have to work too hard at all.

As far as O2 goes, I, personally, think he pushed himself a little too hard
on the altitudes. He menitoned that when he got home, he "crashed" for 12+
hours. I made the comment that he got a pretty damn good flight physiology
lesson and that supplimental O2 would have probably been a good idea even if
they were up there for only a couple of minutes. He didn't disagree.

Jay

[Blanche]

Jay Beckman > wrote:
>They departed from/returned to KCHD: Chandler Municipal Airport in the SE
>part of the Phoenix, AZ valley.

If they went direct, I can see the 13.5K altitude. But Phoenix to
ABQ then north never needs to go over 10.5K. (ABQ-LVS-PUB-north)

[David Reinhart]

MEAs are based on nav aid reception and terrain clearance, not radar coverage.
From the FAA Instrument Flying Handbook: "MEA: The lowest published altitude
between radio fixes which ensures acceptable navigational signal coverage and
meets obstacle clearance requirements between those fixes."

Remember, too, that in "mountainous" areas the minimum obstacle clearance is
2,000 feet, not the 1,000 feet used in the flatlands.

Dave Reinhart


David Brooks wrote:

> "Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > When I fly Seattle to Fort Collins, CO, the highest IFR MEA along that
> route
> > is 13000', but only for a very short segment, and it's a result of the
> > airway going right over a lone bump. VFR you could easily cross the bump
> > lower, or just go around if you prefer.
>
> I thought it was due to radar coverage? However, I could believe it's Mount
> Stuart. BTW, from memory the MEA is 12K, so you'd see 13K eastbound. In any
> case, yes, that's much higher than necessary for VFR.
>
> The route from Seattle to Ellensburg has an 8K MEA.
>
> > I think it could done following I-90 the whole way too, but not having
> flown
> > that route (not farther east than Missoula anyway), I can't say without
> > looking at a chart I don't have in front of me. :)
>
> If you follow I-90, watch for the sharp turn at Snoqualmie Pass (the main
> pass over the Cascades). At least one plane has missed the turn and come to
> grief in a nearby canyon.
>
> None of this helps you across the Rockies :-)
>
> -- David Brooks

[smackey]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<ENfic.12459$w96.1176412@attbi_s54>...
> According to Destination Direct, we are just 10.5 hours away from my sister
> in Sequim, WA.
>
> D.D. routes us northwest to Billings, Montana, and then west from there.
> The terrain looks very high, indeed.
>
> Can Atlas make the jump? Is it possible for a normally aspirated plane
> (and pilots!) to fly over the Rockies? How high must one go?
>
> Thanks in advance...

Jay,

I am surprised at the fear that you flatlanders have for the Rockies.
I live in Billings, and fly across them several times a year in my
180hp C172. Its a piece of cake unless you wind up IFR, though even
then its not really much more death defying than much IFR elsewhere.

Here's the story on the easiest flying to Sequim west from Billings:

Take either V247 or V2 to Helena(HLN), thence V2 to Missoula(MSO).
Thence either V2 to Spokane or V187 to Lewiston,ID (LWS). You're over
the Rockies!! :) It's a flat run from either of those for about 120
nm until you approach the Wenatchee Range about 70nm east of Seattle.
Frankly, crossing these mts creates more of a pucker factor in me than
the others. They are a bare, jagged range of rock. Then you're into
the Class B Seattle area unless you skirt in to the north. There are
beaucoup SUAs in this area-perhaps the most treacherous part of your
journey.

I don't know what your preferred level of adrenaline is, but there are
a few other options across the Rockies. Someone mentioned going
further north through Great Falls, but I sense that you may not like
that since there is a goodly stretch west of Great Falls across the
Bob Marshall Wilderness Area that might be a little, shall we say,
"too wilderness" for you. It is very pretty, though, and there is a
geographical treat known as the "Chinese Wall" that is very impressive
(that's the adjective I'd use, though yours may be different), and
flying west from Flathead Lake is, well,...breathtaking.

If you would like more info, email me. Also Newps is an ATC guy in
Billings, and can probably give you some insight also.

[Bill J]

Jay,
I have recently made two trips, both with overnights at IOW (last one
stayed at your place, ferrying a new Lancair 350). First trip was in my
Arrow (non turbo). No problems, all VFR. Go from IOW direct to Boise (a
little detouring to Bear Lake, then thru a valley to Pocatella, ID.),
then follow the low route to whereever in WA you are goint. I went to
SEA once and Redmond Ore. the last time. No Oxy, about 9 to 11,000.
Bill, KUCP

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>You've read "Flight of Passage" and have to ask that question?
>
>
> Okay, let me re-phrase this question:
>
> Can I safely take my family in a 235 hp, normally aspirated aircraft from
> Iowa to Washington State?
>
> If so, what route do you recommend? Will it require oxygen?

[Jay Honeck]

> I have recently made two trips, both with overnights at IOW (last one
> stayed at your place, ferrying a new Lancair 350).

You stayed overnight here, ferrying a Lancair 350 -- and I didn't get to see
your plane?

Was I out of town? I'd have traded you a night's stay for a ride in a
Lancair!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Weir]

How about an elderly (excuse me, classic) 182?

{;-)

Jim



->Was I out of town? I'd have traded you a night's stay for a ride in a
->Lancair!


Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[Jay Honeck]

> ->Was I out of town? I'd have traded you a night's stay for a ride in a
> ->Lancair!

> How about an elderly (excuse me, classic) 182?

Fill it with Sprecher Amber, and we just might have a deal...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Journeyman]

In article >, David Brooks wrote:
>
> If you follow I-90, watch for the sharp turn at Snoqualmie Pass (the main
> pass over the Cascades). At least one plane has missed the turn and come to
> grief in a nearby canyon.

There's a notch in the hill, a few hundred feet higher than the valley
floor. If conditions are not high enough to fly over the notch, you
shouldn't be flying in the mountains.

The other gotcha is coming west, when you start out VMC, fly around the
bend at Snoqualmie, and wind up in IMC on the other side. There can be
a discontinuity in the airmass right about there. Air following the
rising terrain condenses out the moisture, then as terrain starts to
descend again, the moisture turns back into vapor.


Morris

[Journeyman]

In article >, Peter Duniho wrote:
>
>
> IMHO, if you are crossing Snoqualmie Pass for the first time and you are low
> enough that you have to follow the highway rather than cutting the corner,
> you are too low.
>
> That's just me though. I suppose others would disagree.

I'm going to do something unusenetlike and actually agree with you.

It's probably better to fly over the pass eastbound the first time.
That way, you're more likely to be heading toward better weather.


Morris