WiFi "war flying"

[Ross Oliver]

http://www.tomshardware.com/column/20040430/index.html

A Cessna 172 and Piper Cherokee go on an aerial hunt for WiFi
access points over the L.A. basin. They find over 4500, and
and successfully run Netmeeting betewen the aircraft.

[Cub Driver]

>A Cessna 172 and Piper Cherokee go on an aerial hunt for WiFi
>access points over the L.A. basin. They find over 4500, and
>and successfully run Netmeeting betewen the aircraft.

Wonderful! Thank you.

What altitude?

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[Jay Honeck]

> A Cessna 172 and Piper Cherokee go on an aerial hunt for WiFi
> access points over the L.A. basin. They find over 4500, and
> and successfully run Netmeeting betewen the aircraft.

Why?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
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"Your Aviation Destination"

[Brad Z]

they're geeks.

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:gkMkc.7414$Ik.641320@attbi_s53...
> > A Cessna 172 and Piper Cherokee go on an aerial hunt for WiFi
> > access points over the L.A. basin. They find over 4500, and
> > and successfully run Netmeeting betewen the aircraft.
>
> Why?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:19:54 GMT, Brad Z wrote:

>they're geeks.

geeks hardly use Netmeeting ...

*ooops*


#m


>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>news:gkMkc.7414$Ik.641320@attbi_s53...
>> > A Cessna 172 and Piper Cherokee go on an aerial hunt for WiFi
>> > access points over the L.A. basin. They find over 4500, and
>> > and successfully run Netmeeting betewen the aircraft.
>>
>> Why?


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[Javier Henderson]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> > A Cessna 172 and Piper Cherokee go on an aerial hunt for WiFi
> > access points over the L.A. basin. They find over 4500, and
> > and successfully run Netmeeting betewen the aircraft.
>
> Why?

Because.

I tried using my iBook to access the Internet while flying, through a
Nokia 3600 phone (using Bluetooth between the computer and the phone,
and GPRS to access the Internet). Worked fine.

-jav

[Circuit Breaker]

Ross Oliver wrote:

> http://www.tomshardware.com/column/20040430/index.html
>
> A Cessna 172 and Piper Cherokee go on an aerial hunt for WiFi
> access points over the L.A. basin. They find over 4500, and
> and successfully run Netmeeting betewen the aircraft.

But how do they warchalk it? Signal smoke? ;-)

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[Rob Montgomery]

"Brad Z" > wrote in message news:<KBMkc.3892$IG1.103939@attbi_s04>...
> they're geeks.
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:gkMkc.7414$Ik.641320@attbi_s53...
> > > A Cessna 172 and Piper Cherokee go on an aerial hunt for WiFi
> > > access points over the L.A. basin. They find over 4500, and
> > > and successfully run Netmeeting betewen the aircraft.
> >
> > Why?
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Iowa City, IA
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > www.AlexisParkInn.com
> > "Your Aviation Destination"
> >
> >

So they could argue about manly low wings vs. sissy high wings. Come on! :-)

-Rob

[Harry M]

> A Cessna 172 and Piper Cherokee go on an aerial hunt for WiFi
> access points over the L.A. basin. They find over 4500, and
> and successfully run Netmeeting betewen the aircraft.

Dorks.

They're lucky they didn't bump into each other.
-harry

[Peter Duniho]

"Harry M" > wrote in message
om...
> Dorks.

That's all you could come up with? Personally, I think it's kind of geeky,
but then I don't think "geek" is a dirty word either.

> They're lucky they didn't bump into each other.

Why? They had someone in each plane to concentrate on flying, and at least
one other in each plane to concentrate on the laptop. Nothing in the
article said that they were not already trained in formation flying (to deal
with the 100 foot formation portion of the flight).

Pete

[John Gaquin]

"Ross Oliver" > wrote in message
>
> A Cessna 172 and Piper Cherokee go on an aerial hunt for WiFi

My son and I were just talking about this sort of thing. He mentioned the
LA thing. He and his friends sometimes go 'war driving', and they'll have
several cars talking to each other.

Why? Because they can! These are the people who will come up with bizarre
and outrageous new ways to use internet communication in ways we've never
dreamed of. They are the future, and it will be here tomorrow. Hell, I've
still got a 10" open reel tape deck, and think CDs are a miracle!

[Martin Hotze]

On Sun, 2 May 2004 16:35:56 -0400, John Gaquin wrote:

>Why? Because they can!

this makes it legal? no, I don't say that wardriving is illegal.
but finding a open network and _then_ (mis-)using it is another thing.

what about walking down the block and checking every front door? what will
you do if you find a door open? well ...

> These are the people who will come up with bizarre
>and outrageous new ways to use internet communication in ways we've never
>dreamed of.

what else but porn?


#m

--
If John and Peter get together and take money from Paul at gunpoint,
we call it armed robbery. If two thousand voters get together
and decide to take money from another thousand, we call it taxation.
C J Campbell in rec.aviation.piloting

[John Gaquin]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message

> On Sun, 2 May 2004 16:35:56 -0400, John Gaquin wrote:
>
> this makes it legal? no, I don't say that wardriving is illegal.
> but finding a open network and _then_ (mis-)using it is another thing.

What other thing, precisely?

> what about walking down the block and checking every front door? what will
> you do if you find a door open? well ...

What are you talking about?

>
> > These are the people who will come up with bizarre
> >and outrageous new ways to use internet communication in ways we've never
> >dreamed of.
>
> what else but porn?

Excuse me?

[Newps]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 2 May 2004 16:35:56 -0400, John Gaquin wrote:
>
> >Why? Because they can!
>
> this makes it legal? no, I don't say that wardriving is illegal.
> but finding a open network and _then_ (mis-)using it is another thing.

No. It's not.


>
> what about walking down the block and checking every front door? what will
> you do if you find a door open? well ...

What?


>
> > These are the people who will come up with bizarre
> >and outrageous new ways to use internet communication in ways we've never
> >dreamed of.
>
> what else but porn?

What?

[John Gaquin]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message >
>
> hmm. what does one do when finding an open net?
> one can be nice and let the owner know and tell him
>
>
> wardriving is nothing else then running down the street and check if one
can
> find an unlocked front door.

It's very similar to catch and release fishing.

>
>
>
> the wheel is already invented. what killeraplication do you expect to be
> invented?

A different kind of wheel. You sound like you're of the opinion that
everything that can be invented has already been invented. How dull.

[gatt]

"John Gaquin" > wrote in message
news:Hf2dnT1HddL-xgjdRVn-

> Why? Because they can! These are the people who will come up with
bizarre
> and outrageous new ways to use internet communication in ways we've never
> dreamed of. They are the future, and it will be here tomorrow. Hell,
I've
> still got a 10" open reel tape deck, and think CDs are a miracle!

As a network provider geek I can see some very good reasons for "war
driving" or "war flying." If you identify an unprotected network, you can
inform the owner or administrator of the network that he's unprotected.

Our tech support folks have dealt with DSL outage issues where it turns out
the caller never even installed his DSL modem. He said he had a WiFi card
in his laptop, fired it up and it worked for weeks, so he didn't think he
needed the modem. Turns out he was inadvertently hijacking his neighbor's
DSL or cable connection. If you're the kind of guy that makes $125/hr
doing WiFi network security, or even not, you can do somebody a favor by
letting them know that there network is entirely vulnerable to anybody
driving (or even flying) by.

-c

[gatt]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message

> the wheel is already invented. what killeraplication do you expect to be
> invented?

WiFi internet is a pretty "killer" "application", actually. Unfortunately
most people who drop $100 on a Linksys wireless router to run their business
office don't yet realize that virtually everything in their office is
vulnerable.

I don't know. They might consider it invasion of privacy, or they might
consider it a FAVOR, if you let them know that they're privates are dangling
for all to see.

-c

[John Gaquin]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message news:c75vqk$7s9>
>
> no I am not of that opinion. I just don't belive that the new wheel is
invented
> by the wardrivers.

I disagree. these are the people on the edge; the people who take the
technology, and play with it; do things unanticipated, see how far it will
go.

[Newps]

"John Gaquin" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Martin Hotze" > wrote in message news:c75vqk$7s9>
> >
> > no I am not of that opinion. I just don't belive that the new wheel is
> invented
> > by the wardrivers.
>
> I disagree. these are the people on the edge; the people who take the
> technology, and play with it; do things unanticipated, see how far it will
> go.


Which is the way we think here. The exact opposite way they think over
there. It's not called the old country for no reason.

[Dylan Smith]

In article >, Javier Henderson wrote:
> I tried using my iBook to access the Internet while flying, through a
> Nokia 3600 phone (using Bluetooth between the computer and the phone,
> and GPRS to access the Internet). Worked fine.

Hmmm... in flight weather radar :-)

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[Nathan Young]

On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:01:16 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> A Cessna 172 and Piper Cherokee go on an aerial hunt for WiFi
>> access points over the L.A. basin. They find over 4500, and
>> and successfully run Netmeeting betewen the aircraft.
>
>Why?

Well, the Netmeeting point isn't relevant, but the 'warmarking'
certainly is. Basically, they found 4500 access points in a short
time, most of them without encryption enabled.

There are Wifi / GPS logging programs that will capture and then plot
location of Wifi access points. This info is then posted to various
websites which detail locations of Wifi networks.

Hackers can then go to the Wifi network (park their car outside) and
either get free internet access, OR try to hack into computers on the
network.

If you have Wifi at your home or small office, turn encryption on, and
change encryption keys frequently. It is not foolproof, but it does
make it more difficult to gain unauthorized network access.

-Nathan