One wing F-15

[EDR]

The History Channel had a program on the F-15 last night
(Friday,040430).
Included was an interview with the Israeli pilot and footage of the
aircraft inbound, on approach and landing.
No other word for it, ... just incredible!

[Dave S]

That "brick" derives a portion of its lift from the body... so even with
one wing gone, it wasnt missing "50%" of its lift...

and.. yea.. thrust is a WONDERFUL thing..

Dave

Nomen Nescio wrote:

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>>The History Channel had a program on the F-15 last night
>>(Friday,040430).
>>Included was an interview with the Israeli pilot and footage of the
>>aircraft inbound, on approach and landing.
>>No other word for it, ... just incredible!
>
>
> I saw that, too. Inspiring! Just goes to show what one can do if you just
> KEEP FLYING THE PLANE.
> I guess it also shows that with enough power, a brick will fly.
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[Pepperoni]

Photos and story here:
http://www.f-16.net/library/stories/midair.html

"EDR" > wrote in message
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> The History Channel had a program on the F-15 last night
> (Friday,040430).
> Included was an interview with the Israeli pilot and footage of the
> aircraft inbound, on approach and landing.
> No other word for it, ... just incredible!

[Jay Honeck]

> Photos and story here:

Wow. That plane should not have flown.

Amazing!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[EDR]

In article <H34lc.14243$I%1.1072718@attbi_s51>, Jay Honeck
> wrote:

> Wow. That plane should not have flown.
> Amazing!

That's what MDD engineers said until they went back and ran the numbers.
BTW, if you ever compare an F-15 to an F-5, you will see that the
horizontal stabilizers on the F-15 are about the same size as the wings
of the F-5.

[EDR]

In article >, Nomen Nescio
]> wrote:

> I guess it also shows that with enough power, a brick will fly.

It is said that the F-4 Phanton II was the first proof of that concept.

[ABLE1]

Anybody know any repeats of the episode????




> The History Channel had a program on the F-15 last night
> (Friday,040430).
> Included was an interview with the Israeli pilot and footage of the
> aircraft inbound, on approach and landing.
> No other word for it, ... just incredible!

[Big John]

Norman and all

Years ago a story went around about a Navy pilot that forgot to unfold
his wings and took of (maybe at Pensacola???) He got airborne and flew
a closed pattern and landed with no damage to airplane or himself
(except for his brown underwear).

I can't vouch for the truth of this story but was told in Hanger
Flying Groups as an honest to god event.

Maybe some other old timers may remember the story and can add more
details (type A/C, place, date) and validate it?

In any event, makes a good story after a long evening athe bar :o)

Big John
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On Sun, 2 May 2004 07:00:04 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
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>>The History Channel had a program on the F-15 last night
>>(Friday,040430).
>>Included was an interview with the Israeli pilot and footage of the
>>aircraft inbound, on approach and landing.
>>No other word for it, ... just incredible!
>
>I saw that, too. Inspiring! Just goes to show what one can do if you just
>KEEP FLYING THE PLANE.
>I guess it also shows that with enough power, a brick will fly.
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[Thomas J. Paladino Jr.]

"Pepperoni" > wrote in message
...
> Photos and story here:
> http://www.f-16.net/library/stories/midair.html

I love that story! Very inspirational.

It really shows what a good pilot can do even in the most difficult
situations.


>
> "EDR" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The History Channel had a program on the F-15 last night
> > (Friday,040430).
> > Included was an interview with the Israeli pilot and footage of the
> > aircraft inbound, on approach and landing.
> > No other word for it, ... just incredible!
>
>

[William W. Plummer]

From: "Jay Honeck" >
Subject: Re: One wing F-15
Date: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:28 AM

> Wow. That plane should not have flown.

It's not obvious. One wing, going fast enough, will generate a certain
amount of lift, maybe enough to hold the plane up. Remember the pilot
beating himself up for crossing the threshold at 250 kts rather than 120 kts
like he was trained. The issue in my mind was how much aileron was
availble to fly the plane, assuming that just about all that was left was
being used to keep the roll axis right.

[Peter Gottlieb]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:H34lc.14243$I%1.1072718@attbi_s51...
> > Photos and story here:
>
> Wow. That plane should not have flown.


Fortunately, they forgot to tell the plane that.

[lowflyer]

Big John > wrote in message >...
> Norman and all
>
> Years ago a story went around about a Navy pilot that forgot to unfold
> his wings and took of (maybe at Pensacola???) He got airborne and flew
> a closed pattern and landed with no damage to airplane or himself

>
> Big John
> `

I read that this happened in Vietnam, the plane an A-1 Skyraider. My
memory is that the source was good, but I certainly cannot vouch for
the source now.

[vincent p. norris]

>> Years ago a story went around about a Navy pilot that forgot to unfold
>> his wings and took of (maybe at Pensacola???) He got airborne and flew
>> a closed pattern and landed with no damage to airplane or himself
>
>>
>> Big John
>> `
>I read that this happened in Vietnam, the plane an A-1 Skyraider.

I heard that it was an AD-1, long before Viet Nam and before its
designation was changed to A-1. The gives some idea of the time
period. I may even have heard the story while I was still in the
Marines, which would place it prior to July 1954. Sorry, I have no
other details.

The AD's wings folded fairly far from the fuselage, so there was a
considerable amount of wing "unfolded."

vince norris

[MLenoch]

Famous incident of an F-8 Crusader from Aviano, Italy. It took off and
recovered with no damage. Back in the late 1950s or early 60s.
VL

[Richard Hertz]

It was in a book I recently read - a compilation of flying stories. I think
it was a skyraider and it was during Korean war/action/whatever the hell
term they use.

amazing.


"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> >> Years ago a story went around about a Navy pilot that forgot to unfold
> >> his wings and took of (maybe at Pensacola???) He got airborne and flew
> >> a closed pattern and landed with no damage to airplane or himself
> >
> >>
> >> Big John
> >> `
> >I read that this happened in Vietnam, the plane an A-1 Skyraider.
>
> I heard that it was an AD-1, long before Viet Nam and before its
> designation was changed to A-1. The gives some idea of the time
> period. I may even have heard the story while I was still in the
> Marines, which would place it prior to July 1954. Sorry, I have no
> other details.
>
> The AD's wings folded fairly far from the fuselage, so there was a
> considerable amount of wing "unfolded."
>
> vince norris

[Michael Nouak]

A picture is worth a thousand words:

http://mofak.com/Night_Infamy.htm

Note reference to _several_ wings-up flying incidents.

Mike

"Big John" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
> Norman and all
>
> Years ago a story went around about a Navy pilot that forgot to unfold
> his wings and took of (maybe at Pensacola???) He got airborne and flew
> a closed pattern and landed with no damage to airplane or himself
> (except for his brown underwear).
>
> I can't vouch for the truth of this story but was told in Hanger
> Flying Groups as an honest to god event.
>
> Maybe some other old timers may remember the story and can add more
> details (type A/C, place, date) and validate it?
>
> In any event, makes a good story after a long evening athe bar :o)
>
> Big John
>
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> On Sun, 2 May 2004 07:00:04 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
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> >>The History Channel had a program on the F-15 last night
> >>(Friday,040430).
> >>Included was an interview with the Israeli pilot and footage of the
> >>aircraft inbound, on approach and landing.
> >>No other word for it, ... just incredible!
> >
> >I saw that, too. Inspiring! Just goes to show what one can do if you just
> >KEEP FLYING THE PLANE.
> >I guess it also shows that with enough power, a brick will fly.
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[Michael Houghton]

Howdy!

In article >,
Thomas J. Paladino Jr. > wrote:
>
>"Pepperoni" > wrote in message
...
>> Photos and story here:
>> http://www.f-16.net/library/stories/midair.html
>
>I love that story! Very inspirational.
>
>It really shows what a good pilot can do even in the most difficult
>situations.
>
Yeah. First rule of emergency handling: Keep flying the airplane.

Tune out distractions, like the IP in the back seat soiling himself
because he can *see* the changed wing planform.

yours,
Michael


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| White Wolf and the Phoenix
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| http://www.radix.net/~herveus/

[EDR]

In article >, Michael Houghton
> wrote:

> Tune out distractions, like the IP in the back seat soiling himself
> because he can *see* the changed wing planform.

Hence the term "WIZZO".

[Robert M. Gary]

Wow, I'm glad we don't have pilots like that in the U.S. Its not nice
to disobey orders like "eject". He certainly would have been much
safter to have ejected than trying to control that airplane at low
altitude and then trying to land at 260 knots. He must watch too many
John Wayne movies.
I wonder if he lost his wings. Destroying two jets in one day probably
doesn't look to good on your record.





EDR > wrote in message >...
> The History Channel had a program on the F-15 last night
> (Friday,040430).
> Included was an interview with the Israeli pilot and footage of the
> aircraft inbound, on approach and landing.
> No other word for it, ... just incredible!

[G.R. Patterson III]

"Robert M. Gary" wrote:
>
> Wow, I'm glad we don't have pilots like that in the U.S. Its not nice
> to disobey orders like "eject".

Well, he outranked the instructor, so you can't really say he disobeyed orders.
Superior officers cannot be ordered to do something by an inferior.

George Patterson
If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said.

[Big John]

Tom

Another unusual true story.

I was in a F-94C Squadron and we launched a bird with just the pilot
(no RO) in it as a target for radar intercept practice.

During the flight the bird had a mid air with a F-80 over Sacramento
that had just come out of overhaul and was on its test flight. F-80
lost 3-4 feet of wing and tip tank and pilot landed safely.

Radar which was running the training intercepts, called us in Ops and
said that they had lost radio contact with our aircraft and it had
started squawking emergency. They later advised us there had been a
mid air.

We went out on the elevated porch where we could observe the R/W and
listen to the Radar Site radio. They tracked our bird returning to
Hamilton AFB and we finally saw it way out on a straight in approach.
Landed close to end or R/W (thought he was going to be short and in
the Bay) and as it went by us could see the tail flexing up and down
3-4 feet.

Jumped in our line transportation and went out to bird which stopped
on R/W. When we got there we saw the whole afterburner unit was
missing along with the bottom 2/3 of the fuselage from tail to engine
and tail was sagging down 15-20 inches due to weight of tail.. You
could walk under the tail and right up to the turbine wheel which only
had a 3 inch flange behind it where the A/B fastened on. Not much
thrust with no tail pipe or A/B assembly.

Debriefing the Pilot, he said that he had full throttle and full up
elevator and bird sank down to about 1200 feet (from 20K) where he
could hold altitude and where he flew thru a pass in the hills west of
Travis AFB and back to field. On approach he controlled his altitude
with the throttle as he was holding full up elevator (and tail was
flexing down).

We ordered a new tail and A/B and checked bird and it was flying
again if a few weeks.

We always said that by the Grace of God and a few rivets from Lockheed
he survived. One lucky son of a bitch.

Big John


Regarding the mid air. It was day VFR (see and be seen) and Radar was
mission tasked to provide clearance between the Air Defense Birds and
all other traffic so both pilots and Radar had to eat their share of
blame.
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On Sun, 02 May 2004 17:50:01 GMT, "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
> wrote:

>
>"Pepperoni" > wrote in message
...
>> Photos and story here:
>> http://www.f-16.net/library/stories/midair.html
>
>I love that story! Very inspirational.
>
>It really shows what a good pilot can do even in the most difficult
>situations.
>
>
>>
>> "EDR" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > The History Channel had a program on the F-15 last night
>> > (Friday,040430).
>> > Included was an interview with the Israeli pilot and footage of the
>> > aircraft inbound, on approach and landing.
>> > No other word for it, ... just incredible!
>>
>>
>

[Michael Houghton]

Howdy!

In article >,
G.R. Patterson III > wrote:
>
>
>"Robert M. Gary" wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I'm glad we don't have pilots like that in the U.S. Its not nice
>> to disobey orders like "eject".
>
>Well, he outranked the instructor, so you can't really say he disobeyed orders.
>Superior officers cannot be ordered to do something by an inferior.
>
....and there may be something to the phrase "Pilot in Command"...

Having read the account/interview, I think the pilot examined his gauges
and indicators, noted no immediate "get out" indications, and was able
to maintain control of the airplane, so long as he kept his speed up.

It sure sounded like reluctance to jump out of a manifestly flyable
airplane.

yours,
Michael


--
Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly
| White Wolf and the Phoenix
Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff
| http://www.radix.net/~herveus/

[Robert M. Gary]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message >...
> "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
> >
> > Wow, I'm glad we don't have pilots like that in the U.S. Its not nice
> > to disobey orders like "eject".
>
> Well, he outranked the instructor, so you can't really say he disobeyed orders.
> Superior officers cannot be ordered to do something by an inferior.

Try telling that to the LSO when he waves you off.

[Robert M. Gary]

"William W. Plummer" > wrote in message news:<iCalc.16536$Ik.1163558@attbi_s53>...
> From: "Jay Honeck" >
> Subject: Re: One wing F-15
> Date: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:28 AM
>
> > Wow. That plane should not have flown.
>
> It's not obvious. One wing, going fast enough, will generate a certain
> amount of lift, maybe enough to hold the plane up. Remember the pilot
> beating himself up for crossing the threshold at 250 kts rather than 120 kts
> like he was trained. The issue in my mind was how much aileron was
> availble to fly the plane, assuming that just about all that was left was
> being used to keep the roll axis right.

When they talked about this on TV they said something like 40% of the
lift comes from the body in this aircraft. So at most he lost 30% of
his lift.

[Big John]

Robert

Right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big John

On 4 May 2004 09:41:38 -0700, (Robert M. Gary) wrote:

>"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message >...
>> "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
>> >
>> > Wow, I'm glad we don't have pilots like that in the U.S. Its not nice
>> > to disobey orders like "eject".
>>
>> Well, he outranked the instructor, so you can't really say he disobeyed orders.
>> Superior officers cannot be ordered to do something by an inferior.
>
>Try telling that to the LSO when he waves you off.

[Peterson, David]

> The issue in my mind was how much aileron was
> availble to fly the plane, assuming that just about all that was left was
> being used to keep the roll axis right.

I believe the F-15 has elevons... so the two horizontal stabilators
move independently and provide some of the roll.