Program Letter time again [Archive]

John Carlyle

January 8th 14, 03:38 AM

JJ, do you have a link for this e-form program letter? I've been sending a real letter to my local FSDO, modified appropriately for each year, as this is what I understand that they want. It would be great to get this annual task done electronically!

-John, Q3

On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:47:36 AM UTC-5, JJ Sinclair wrote:
> I was searching through my computer files for something when I came across a file named Program Letter.................Oh, yeah! The FAA wants me to send them this years agenda by 30 Jan. Its easy, just make the indicated changes on the e-form and hit send.
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> See you on the grid,
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> Pat & JJ

JJ Sinclair[_2_]

January 8th 14, 01:54 PM

On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 7:38:07 PM UTC-8, John Carlyle wrote:
> JJ, do you have a link for this e-form program letter? I've been sending a real letter to my local FSDO, modified appropriately for each year, as this is what I understand that they want. It would be great to get this annual task done electronically!
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I'm computer-challenged and can't figure out how to send the form. I got it with a letter from Sacramento FSDO. Recommend you contact your FSDO, you will need their e-dress to send your program letter after filling it out.
Cheers,
JJ

Boise Pilot

January 8th 14, 02:16 PM

On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:38:07 PM UTC-7, John Carlyle wrote:
> JJ, do you have a link for this e-form program letter? I've been sending a real letter to my local FSDO, modified appropriately for each year, as this is what I understand that they want. It would be great to get this annual task done electronically!
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> On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:47:36 AM UTC-5, JJ Sinclair wrote:
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Jan. '13 was the first time I had to do a Program letter related to my new sailplane. I had copies from owners in OH and UT. They were almost identical so I used it as a format. It was returned by my FSDO with a copy of a letter for a Nevada racer. The individual from my FSDO wanted lots of additional information including who, where, when the sailplane, equipment and instruments were being maintained. The manufacturer's listed maintenance requirements and initially very specific dates for each flight and purpose, I could not list a period of time like the normal flying summer from my home airport. We did work around that. Earlier in 2012 we found out that the FSDO was not aware that there was a small group of sailplanes operating from an airport just outside the Boise airport area. We also found out that there was no one in the FSDO who had any familiarity with sailplanes or operations. We invited them to our airport with no response. The Program letter last year was not seamless and took some time and negotiations. I just mailed my letter in for this year and am waiting to see if I get a response, which if everything is ok, I should not. The letter, theoretically, does not need approval as it is a letter to inform...

John Carlyle

January 8th 14, 02:42 PM

Thanks, JJ. Since I've already put in the time, I'll send the letter this year. But I'll e-mail my FSDO and inquire about electronic program letter capability.

I feel for Boise pilot. My FSDO rep was a dream to work with when I took my ASW-19 experimental, and has been helpful on other issues. Best of luck!

-John, Q3

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:54:04 AM UTC-5, JJ Sinclair wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 7:38:07 PM UTC-8, John Carlyle wrote:
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> > JJ, do you have a link for this e-form program letter? I've been sending a real letter to my local FSDO, modified appropriately for each year, as this is what I understand that they want. It would be great to get this annual task done electronically!
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> > -John, Q3
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> > On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:47:36 AM UTC-5, JJ Sinclair wrote:
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> > > I was searching through my computer files for something when I came across a file named Program Letter.................Oh, yeah! The FAA wants me to send them this years agenda by 30 Jan. Its easy, just make the indicated changes on the e-form and hit send.
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> > > See you on the grid,
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> I'm computer-challenged and can't figure out how to send the form. I got it with a letter from Sacramento FSDO. Recommend you contact your FSDO, you will need their e-dress to send your program letter after filling it out.
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> Cheers,
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> JJ

Dan Marotta

January 8th 14, 03:57 PM

I have a letter that I assembled from several examples. I worked with the
FSDO and got approval. Now I just update it using the calendar of events
from SSA for the coming year and email it to the FSDO with a copy to myself
as proof that I sent it. I will make my letter available upon request.

"Boise Pilot" > wrote in message
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On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:38:07 PM UTC-7, John Carlyle wrote:
> JJ, do you have a link for this e-form program letter? I've been sending a
> real letter to my local FSDO, modified appropriately for each year, as
> this is what I understand that they want. It would be great to get this
> annual task done electronically!
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> -John, Q3
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> On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:47:36 AM UTC-5, JJ Sinclair wrote:
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> > I was searching through my computer files for something when I came
> > across a file named Program Letter.................Oh, yeah! The FAA
> > wants me to send them this years agenda by 30 Jan. Its easy, just make
> > the indicated changes on the e-form and hit send.
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> > See you on the grid,
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> > Pat & JJ

Jan. '13 was the first time I had to do a Program letter related to my new
sailplane. I had copies from owners in OH and UT. They were almost
identical so I used it as a format. It was returned by my FSDO with a copy
of a letter for a Nevada racer. The individual from my FSDO wanted lots of
additional information including who, where, when the sailplane, equipment
and instruments were being maintained. The manufacturer's listed maintenance
requirements and initially very specific dates for each flight and purpose,
I could not list a period of time like the normal flying summer from my home
airport. We did work around that. Earlier in 2012 we found out that the
FSDO was not aware that there was a small group of sailplanes operating from
an airport just outside the Boise airport area. We also found out that
there was no one in the FSDO who had any familiarity with sailplanes or
operations. We invited them to our airport with no response. The Program
letter last year was not seamless and took some time and negotiations. I
just mailed my letter in for this year and am waiting to see if I get a
response, which if everything is ok, I should not. The letter,
theoretically, does not need approval as it is a letter to inform...

[email protected]

January 8th 14, 04:03 PM

I suspect there are many pilots of experimentals who forget to submit anything. Does anyone have any stories of what has happened to them or others that they know who had a problem because they did not submit a letter? I am not asking for permission not to send one, just interested in what can happen if you don't...

Bruno - B4

JJ Sinclair[_2_]

January 8th 14, 04:43 PM

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:03:54 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> I suspect there are many pilots of experimentals who forget to submit anything. Does anyone have any stories of what has happened to them or others that they know who had a problem because they did not submit a letter? I am not asking for permission not to send one, just interested in what can happen if you don't...
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Sacramento FSDO has jumped me for not submitting a letter (once when they lost it).
I believe it is close to a meaningless drill for sailplanes, but with real meaning when flying a MIG-21 licensed experimental racing & exhibition. The real problem would be if you were to have an accident at a location not shown on your program letter. The Feds might find that your aircraft was being operated illegally and your insurance could refuse to cover the loss.
JJ

Ron Gleason

January 8th 14, 05:02 PM

On Wednesday, 8 January 2014 09:03:54 UTC-7, wrote:
> I suspect there are many pilots of experimentals who forget to submit anything. Does anyone have any stories of what has happened to them or others that they know who had a problem because they did not submit a letter? I am not asking for permission not to send one, just interested in what can happen if you don't...
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I did not send in a letter for 2 years when I first got my DG303. When contacting SLC FSDO I was required to get a new airworthiness certificate and go through the complete inspection including having to have so many flights and hours from my home airport before I could fly more than 50 miles from my home airport.

Just do it

Soartech

January 8th 14, 05:42 PM

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 11:03:54 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> I suspect there are many pilots of experimentals who forget to submit anything. Does anyone have any stories of what has happened to them or others that they know who had a problem because they did not submit a letter? I am not asking for permission not to send one, just interested in what can happen if you don't...
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If you don't send it they will never know as they don't check. It is a ridiculous exercise in red tape. I have never sent one in.

Frank Whiteley

January 8th 14, 07:08 PM

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:02:36 AM UTC-7, Ron Gleason wrote:
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I may have missed an article or discussion about this previously. The current FAA Order 8130.2G w/chg1 is written rather differently from prior versions. There is no longer specific reference to SSA and FAI competitions and awards, but a more broad and general "including organized air races or sail plane competitive events". There is no longer any mention of pre- or post- moratorium differences and a relaxation on the need to reissue operating limitations (allowing revisions) on post-moratorium aircraft upon change of location, owner, or FSDO. I have no direct experience with this at the moment, but it appears to be a good thing. Formerly, pre-moratorium gliders did not require a program letter, but this revision appears to require an annual program letter for all experimental exhibition and air racing aircraft. Furthermore, there is no mention of proficiency areas or proficiency flights pursuant to flying in competition, records or awards for Group I aircraft (gliders).

Previously, I encountered several post-moratorium glider pilots that weren't submitting program letters. Now it appears to be a universal requirement..

Comments?

Frank Whiteley

Bob Kuykendall

January 8th 14, 07:27 PM

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:03:54 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> I suspect there are many pilots of experimentals who forget to submit anything...

Good point, Bruno! However, it bears mentioning that not every experimental sailplane is subject to the requirement for the yearly program letter. Unless specified in the operating limitations (and I have never seen such a requirement), it only applies to Experimental, Racing and Exhibition, and does not apply to Experimental, Amateur-Built.

Thanks, Bob K.

Tom K (TK)

January 8th 14, 08:06 PM

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n8ofpcxfpcttgmo/FAA%20Program%20Letter%20Blank.doc

Blank Program Letter

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lu8vzoswxainir1/FAA_8130.2G.pdf

The latest FAA Policy letter on Certification

John Carlyle

January 8th 14, 10:10 PM

I heard back from my FSDO rep. He said it was OK to e-mail him my program letter, no need to send by USPS.

For those who don't feel the need to submit a program letter, do you know that a current copy of the program letter is required to be carried in the aircraft? If you don't have one it might make for an "interesting" ramp check...

-John, Q3

son_of_flubber

January 8th 14, 10:39 PM

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 2:08:37 PM UTC-5, Frank Whiteley wrote:

>I encountered several post-moratorium glider pilots that weren't submitting program letters.

That would be understandable if "post-moratorium glider pilots = "postmortem glider pilots".

If this "moratorium event" is still relevant, please explain.

[email protected]

January 8th 14, 11:42 PM

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:42:06 PM UTC-5, Soartech wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 11:03:54 AM UTC-5, wrote: > I suspect there are many pilots of experimentals who forget to submit anything. Does anyone have any stories of what has happened to them or others that they know who had a problem because they did not submit a letter? I am not asking for permission not to send one, just interested in what can happen if you don't... > > > > Bruno - B4 If you don't send it they will never know as they don't check. It is a ridiculous exercise in red tape. I have never sent one in.

You should be aware that your actions(or lack thereof), mean that you do not conform to the operating limitations that are part of your airworthiness certificate.
It takes me about 45 minutes to do letters for all 3 of my Ex- exhibition/air racing ships.
Take the little time and do the letter and avoid the risk of an unairworthy glider.
FWIW, when I do condition inspections, if there is no program letter, the glider does not pass the inspection. Yep, I'm a prick, but the guy signing off is representing that everything is correct, including required documents on board.
UH

Craig Funston[_2_]

January 9th 14, 12:38 AM

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 11:08:37 AM UTC-8, Frank Whiteley wrote:
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Frank Whiteley

January 9th 14, 12:55 AM

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 3:39:54 PM UTC-7, son_of_flubber wrote:
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That's part of the point, things changed with the publication of the G version. It was much revised to LSA. Any experimental racing and/or exhibition glider operating limitations dating before 2011 will likely contain verbage derived from the version in effect when the operating limitations for that glider were created. The pre- and post- moratorium dates were significant at one point as were proficiency flight/areas. Depending on how they are written for a particular aircraft may drive whether an owner wants a new set. However, as others have pointed out, the program letter is part of the airworthiness certificate, as are the operating limitations and must be carried on board. However, until the G version was published, there was no requirement for an annual program letter for pre-moratorium gliders and owners were free to operate without them. 3-4 years ago, there was discussion that the FAA would have 100 percent hands-on checks of all experimental aircraft. No idea where that manpower was coming from, but it was about the time the re-registration fees started. As before, those doing condition inspections may or may not concern themselves with program letters, thus it's a pilot issue. I don't recall discussion of the change. FAA Order 8130.2Gch2 is freely downloadable from faa.gov. Those involved with experiment racing/exhibition group I gliders should have a copy. Section 10 is most relevant, but other parts apply.

Frank Whiteley

January 9th 14, 01:00 AM

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Steve Leonard[_2_]

January 9th 14, 03:13 AM

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 6:38:29 PM UTC-6, Craig Funston wrote:
Frank are you saying that pre-moratorium gliders (i.e. all racing-exhibition gliders) now need to have program letters? Thanks, Craig 7Q

Look at YOUR operating limitations. If they say you have to submit a letter, then you have to submit a letter. If they don't then you don't. I have to for some of mine, and not for others.

Steve Leonard

Kevin S.

January 9th 14, 04:24 AM

On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:47:36 AM UTC-6, JJ Sinclair wrote:
> I was searching through my computer files for something when I came across a file named Program Letter.................Oh, yeah! The FAA wants me to send them this years agenda by 30 Jan. Its easy, just make the indicated changes on the e-form and hit send.
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> See you on the grid,
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My operating limitations require a letter. The Houston FSDO now has a template or form they want you to fill-out for the program letter. Beginning last year, they said they want all the program letters on their form. After a little back and forth, I simply put all the same text that I previously had in my form of letter into their form of and it was accepted.

Dan Marotta

January 9th 14, 04:13 PM

My (approved) program letter contains the following statement which, I
believe, protects me:

Proficiency flights without geographical restrictions are authorized when
made in preparation for participation in sanctioned meets and pursuant to
qualify for Federation Aeronautique Internationale (FAI) or Soaring Society
of America, (SSA) awards.

"JJ Sinclair" > wrote in message
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On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:03:54 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> I suspect there are many pilots of experimentals who forget to submit
> anything. Does anyone have any stories of what has happened to them or
> others that they know who had a problem because they did not submit a
> letter? I am not asking for permission not to send one, just interested
> in what can happen if you don't...
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> Bruno - B4

Sacramento FSDO has jumped me for not submitting a letter (once when they
lost it).
I believe it is close to a meaningless drill for sailplanes, but with real
meaning when flying a MIG-21 licensed experimental racing & exhibition. The
real problem would be if you were to have an accident at a location not
shown on your program letter. The Feds might find that your aircraft was
being operated illegally and your insurance could refuse to cover the loss.
JJ

[email protected]

January 9th 14, 04:37 PM

On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 6:47:36 AM UTC-8, JJ Sinclair wrote:
> I was searching through my computer files for something when I came across a file named Program Letter.................Oh, yeah! The FAA wants me to send them this years agenda by 30 Jan. Its easy, just make the indicated changes on the e-form and hit send.
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> See you on the grid,
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I bought a new to me sailplane and it holds an experimental "Exhibition" airworthiness certificate the limitation were written in 1979 nothing like limitations written today (8130.2 G) and I had a hard time letting go. No where in my Limitations did it say I needed a Program Letter. I knew when I called my PMI at the local FSDO he was going to make me have new limitations written up and I was right. I tried to get around this by just asking about who I should send my program letter to and a slight mention that I just bought this sailplane and now I am caught up in the dark world of the Federal Aviation Administration. I hope I will not have to educate my local FAA Dark Lord about sailplanes, and I pray to God that I have every thing back in the cockpit by the time the first Cu pops, I also have a funny feeling I will get a new airworthiness certificate for "Air Racing" instead of "Exhibition", I could have just flown all year and pleaded ignorance...my sailplane would not have known the difference...my insurance man probably would not have caught this...to late now.... to be continued...I am sure I am doing the right thing.....ignorance, what is wrong with that?

Steve Leonard[_2_]

January 9th 14, 04:52 PM

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 10:37:26 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> I bought a new to me sailplane and it holds an experimental "Exhibition" airworthiness certificate the limitation were written in 1979 nothing like limitations written today (8130.2 G) and I had a hard time letting go. No where in my Limitations did it say I needed a Program Letter.

So, why did you let go? I have a plane that has the old, unlimited expiration, experimental, Exhibition and Air Racing Certificate. The certificate and limitations were lost somewhere along the way. I got the FAA records on the airplane, and took them to my local FAA office. I explained that I have this plane, and the certificate has been lost. Told them I would like to get the original certificate re-issued, replacement copies of what is on the records. They issued a new copy of the airworthiness certificate and operating limitations, with changes to a couple of paragraph numbers of the FARs that have changed since 1979. Did not get the new requirement of a Program Letter.

Maybe there is a benefit to living in Wichita, The Air Capital of The World.. So we claim.

Steve

[email protected]

January 9th 14, 05:31 PM

Steve Leonard[_2_]

January 9th 14, 07:54 PM

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:31:32 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>Well it turns out that I did not have to let go, one FAA dark lord said one thing and when I talked with the other FAA Dark Lord in charge of the FSDO phone today he said just send in the program letter and that was all he needed or wanted... there is a God after all. Back to my winter tune up.

If the limitations on your plane don't require a letter, then you don't have to send one in. Period. No matter what your local guy says. If your airworthiness certificate and limitations were issued back in 1979, then you probably don't have the requirement to submit a letter. I recommend you read your plane's limitations. If there is no requirement to send in a letter, don't do it. Don't ask the local FSDO if you need to, either. You are not doing anything wrong by complying with the requirements of the plane's airworthiness certificate.

Sorry, but I just get frustrated when people think "He had to do it, so I do to. Now, how do I do that?"

Steve

Morgan[_2_]

January 9th 14, 10:21 PM

If you are subject to sending in a program letter, maybe this will help.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oTWKS_a5oMcle6gcHq045pdfsShfZqKqGKB5TLjqWxw/edit?usp=sharing

I think you can just download as a Word doc or other type that you might want to work with.

It's a nearly blank version of what I send in every year. Change the events and the address and you are probably well on your way.

For our FSDO in Fresno, this is sufficient and it takes me 30 seconds every year to change the date on my copy and email it to the FSDO.

Hope this helps,

Morgan

[email protected]

January 10th 14, 01:55 AM

Just couldn't help putting in my two cents. I have two gliders, each handled by a different FSDO. I dutifully FAX in my program letters every January. Most years they claim not to have received them when I ask about it. So today I called each FSDO to ask how they would like me to send them the letters. Got put into voice mail each of the two times I called each office.. I left a detailed voice-mail each time. At the end of today I got just one call back that was left on my voice mail and it was as if I never left a message. The person was asking me to call back to discuss exactly what I wanted.

Service. Availability. Good communications.

[email protected]

January 10th 14, 05:42 PM

On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 6:47:36 AM UTC-8, JJ Sinclair wrote:
> I was searching through my computer files for something when I came across a file named Program Letter.................Oh, yeah! The FAA wants me to send them this years agenda by 30 Jan. Its easy, just make the indicated changes on the e-form and hit send.
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> See you on the grid,
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> Pat & JJ

You are correct Steve, if your limitations do not mention sending in a program letter then don't and my limitations do not require a program letter. If you were issued limitations today you would need to send in a program letter, period, because now limitations are all written IAW 8130.2 G. The beauty of these older limitations is the ability to do modifications that affect flight, winglets and so forth with nothing more than a log book entry. For me I know my FSDO people on a personal basis, do I need to send in a program letter? no, did I yes, but like you said stick to what your limitation say no matter when they were written. But read your limitations and remember your Experimental Airworthiness is only valid if your limitations are attached along with your program letter, that is if you need one. Old glass kicks ass.