Please help!

[Bill Gamelson]

Dear friend,


Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Bill Gamelson, and I had a
promising life ahead of me. I grew up with the nicest mom and dad I could have
ever had. I stayed in school and when I graduated I wanted to become an
airline pilot. I began the quest for my goal by getting my private license,
then my commerical license and instrument rating. I topped that off with a
multi-engine rating. I then had only an Airline Transport Pilot rating needed
to begin applying for a job as an airline pilot. I then discovered that the
airlines seem to have a "liking" for ex-military pilots and I had a slim chance
of getting hired on unless I had a military background. I then decided to get
my Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic's certificate and begin a career working in
a shop repairing airplanes. My dad was financing my training.

My dream was interupted when my dad died in 1993. He was rather rich, but
all the money from the estate went to support my mom until she died in 2001.
Now with my mom's lavish lifestyle there is not that much money left and to top
that off the estate is fighting the IRS because they want a ridiculous portion.
It started out at 55%, but now they have "re-apparised" the estate and claim
that it's worth much more then it is and now they want so much that almost none
will be left for me, my borther and sister. We are fighting them tooth and
toenail, but with the the attorney fees the estate will no doubt be all but
eaten up when it's all said and done.

I now work at an industrial warehouse and am living paycheck to paycheck. I
was hoping that some enheritance would come in and I could go to A&P (Airframe
and Powerplant) Mechanic's school and get a real job, enough to support a wife
and kid, but it is now doubtful that will ever happen.

I am humbly asking if you could donate $5.00 or $10.00 towards my schooling.
Anything you could afford would be much appreciated. I am not making this
story up. I just don't want to work for $8.00/hr the rest of my life, and a
good job is tough to get these days

I have a PayPal account, and I am asking that you please donate what you can
afford to via PayPal. If I can get enough donations
to finish trade school, I can make my dream come true. Thank you, and God
Bless.

www.paypal.com

donate to:

Checks or money orders accepted at:

Bill Gamelson
PO box 12802
Wichita KS 67277

Again, Thank you, and God Bless.

[Brad Z]

Says here...

http://makeashorterlink.com/?G55122F38

....that you're a commercial pilot that enjoys "Flying, Skydiving, Scuba
diving, Ham radio".

Find cheaper hobbies and you might be able to afford A&P school.

Brad


"Bill Gamelson" > wrote in message
...
> Dear friend,
>
>
> Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Bill Gamelson, and I had a
> promising life ahead of me. I grew up with the nicest mom and dad I could
have
> ever had. I stayed in school and when I graduated I wanted to become an
> airline pilot. I began the quest for my goal by getting my private
license,
> then my commerical license and instrument rating. I topped that off with
a
> multi-engine rating. I then had only an Airline Transport Pilot rating
needed
> to begin applying for a job as an airline pilot. I then discovered that
the
> airlines seem to have a "liking" for ex-military pilots and I had a slim
chance
> of getting hired on unless I had a military background. I then decided to
get
> my Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic's certificate and begin a career
working in
> a shop repairing airplanes. My dad was financing my training.
>
> My dream was interupted when my dad died in 1993. He was rather rich,
but
> all the money from the estate went to support my mom until she died in
2001.
> Now with my mom's lavish lifestyle there is not that much money left and
to top
> that off the estate is fighting the IRS because they want a ridiculous
portion.
> It started out at 55%, but now they have "re-apparised" the estate and
claim
> that it's worth much more then it is and now they want so much that almost
none
> will be left for me, my borther and sister. We are fighting them tooth
and
> toenail, but with the the attorney fees the estate will no doubt be all
but
> eaten up when it's all said and done.
>
> I now work at an industrial warehouse and am living paycheck to
paycheck. I
> was hoping that some enheritance would come in and I could go to A&P
(Airframe
> and Powerplant) Mechanic's school and get a real job, enough to support a
wife
> and kid, but it is now doubtful that will ever happen.
>
> I am humbly asking if you could donate $5.00 or $10.00 towards my
schooling.
> Anything you could afford would be much appreciated. I am not making this
> story up. I just don't want to work for $8.00/hr the rest of my life, and
a
> good job is tough to get these days
>
> I have a PayPal account, and I am asking that you please donate what you
can
> afford to via PayPal. If I can get enough
donations
> to finish trade school, I can make my dream come true. Thank you, and God
> Bless.
>
> www.paypal.com
>
> donate to:
>
> Checks or money orders accepted at:
>
> Bill Gamelson
> PO box 12802
> Wichita KS 67277
>
> Again, Thank you, and God Bless.
>
>
>

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Brad Z" > wrote in message
news:MX6nc.5154$xw3.364355@attbi_s04...
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?G55122F38
>
> ...that you're a commercial pilot that enjoys "Flying, Skydiving, Scuba
> diving, Ham radio".
>
> Find cheaper hobbies and you might be able to afford A&P school.
>

A scuba diving Kansan? That must require a fair bit of travel, if you want
a quality dive.

[Peter Duniho]

"Bill Gamelson" > wrote in message
...
> Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Bill Gamelson, and I had a
> promising life ahead of me. I grew up with the nicest mom and dad I could
have
> ever had.

Apparently they weren't that nice. Your dad didn't leave you any money, and
your mom squandered it all. And apparently they taught you nothing about
proper management of your own finances.

Not that I actually believe a word of what you wrote. Your claim that the
airlines "seem to have a 'liking' for ex-military pilots" is utter B.S.
Most commercial pilots are NOT from the military.

Get a clue, a life, and a job. And keep your "make money fast" schemes out
of our newsgroup.

Pete

[Dan Luke]

....uh, guys: TANGO ROMEO OSCAR LIMA LIMA

[Steve Foley]

Dad died in 93, so now you're only making $8.00 per hour.

You musn't me a very good employee if you are only making that after ten
years.

I'll tell you what I'm gonna do:

I'll go buy a six-pack with the $10 that you want. At least it will be
appreciated.

"Bill Gamelson" > wrote in message
...
> Dear friend,

> My dream was interupted when my dad died in 1993. He was rather rich,
but

> I now work at an industrial warehouse and am living paycheck to
paycheck.

[Jim Fisher]

"Peter Duniho" >
Your claim that the
> airlines "seem to have a 'liking' for ex-military pilots" is utter B.S.
> Most commercial pilots are NOT from the military.

Maybe true about "commercial" pilots but ex-military accounts for about 70%
of airline jobs.

--
Jim Fisher

[Newps]

"Jim Fisher" > wrote in message
. ..


>
> Maybe true about "commercial" pilots but ex-military accounts for about
70%
> of airline jobs.

Total BS. Based on the airline types that stop in for a tower tour I'd be
suprised if it was 30%.

[Jim Fisher]

"Newps" > wrote in message
>
> "Jim Fisher" > wrote in message
> > Maybe true about "commercial" pilots but ex-military accounts for about
> 70%
> > of airline jobs.
>
> Total BS. Based on the airline types that stop in for a tower tour I'd be
> suprised if it was 30%.

Hmm. By "BS" I suppose you mean Brilliant Statistic, right?

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=3427

Which arguably states, with some authority, somewhere between 60% and 80%.

--
Jim Fisher

[Peter Duniho]

"Jim Fisher" > wrote in message
. ..
> [...]
> http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=3427
>
> Which arguably states, with some authority, somewhere between 60% and 80%.

Heh. I was going to look for other rebuttal data, but your so-called
reference specifically says that current hiring is running at about 60%
*CIVILIAN* hires for the airlines. That's rebuttal enough for me.

[Jim Fisher]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "Jim Fisher" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > [...]
> > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=3427
> >
> > Which arguably states, with some authority, somewhere between 60% and
80%.
>
> Heh. I was going to look for other rebuttal data, but your so-called
> reference specifically says that current hiring is running at about 60%
> *CIVILIAN* hires for the airlines. That's rebuttal enough for me.

Umm, right. Read what you wrote again, Pete: "Current hiring is running at
about 60% civilian."

If you actually read the link as you claimed, you would have seen the
following:

"I would note Jack70 that your question asked what percentage of CURRENT
pilots were trained in the armed forces. The quote from Nicholas Lacey
stated that as of 2001, 60 percent of all pilots HIRED were civilian pilots.
This does not necessarily mean that only 40% of today's employed pilots were
trained in the military. Indeed, the quote states that as late as the
mid-90s, "80 percent of major airline new hires were military trained." This
statement would suggest that the actual number of current pilots trained in
the military is substantially higher (though dwindling)."

If you would have looked at some of the actual data these comments came
from, you'd see (from:
http://books.nap.edu/books/0309056764/html/54.html#pagetop)
"Overall, for the years represented in the table (1985 to 2001), an average
of 68 percent of new hires had military backgrounds."

I would imagine that almost no military pilots have been hired since 2001
due to the war but that's just a WAG.

Bottom line is that since about 1985, on average (and this average varies
wildly from year to year) military pilots comprise around 70 percent of new
hires for the majors. Advanced Alabama Math tells me that if, on average,
70% of all new hires are military for many years in a row, then the ranks of
pilots with military background is probably somewhere around, oh, 70%.

--
Jim Fisher

[Peter Duniho]

"Jim Fisher" > wrote in message
.. .
> [...]
> Bottom line is that since about 1985, on average (and this average varies
> wildly from year to year) military pilots comprise around 70 percent of
new
> hires for the majors.

How is that relevant to this thread? The idiot who started it all is
talking about CURRENT HIRING. Any other statistic is worthless. I read the
entire link, and the only part of it relevant to this thread is the part
that describes CURRENT HIRING.

If you're going to jump into an argument, make sure you have a clue about
what you're suppose to be arguing about.

Pete

[Jim Fisher]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
>
> How is that relevant to this thread? The idiot who started it all is
> talking about CURRENT HIRING. Any other statistic is worthless. I read
the
> entire link, and the only part of it relevant to this thread is the part
> that describes CURRENT HIRING.

I wasn't responding to the original poster. I only read the forst sentance
of his drivel before I skimmed on through the thread.

As was very clearly stated in my origianl post to YOU (not the original
poster), I was responding to YOUR comment as follows:

"Peter Domino" >
Your claim that the
> airlines "seem to have a 'liking' for ex-military pilots" is utter B.S.
> Most commercial pilots are NOT from the military.

Which is utter BS . . . Mostly.

As stated in my reply, you are probably right that most "commercial" pilots
are not military. But you specifically mentioned AIRLINE PILOTS.

It appears that most airline pilots do, in fact, have military backgrounds
according to some fairly authoritative (but not terribly current) data. . .
.. which resulted in New's calling BS on me, me calling BS on Newps, then me
posting relevant data supporting the figure and your inevitable and
maddening twisting of the data in a feeble attempt to backslide from an
unsupported stance.

It's right there in black and white, Pete.

> If you're going to jump into an argument, make sure you have a clue about
> what you're suppose to be arguing about.

Ditters.

--
Jim Fisher

[Peter Duniho]

"Jim Fisher" > wrote in message
...
> I wasn't responding to the original poster. I only read the forst
sentance
> of his drivel before I skimmed on through the thread.

If you want to know what the thread is about, you need to read the original
message. Otherwise, you do something stupid like read a sentence that
clearly means one thing in context, and interpret it to mean something
entirely else.

Which is exactly what you did here. Obviously my statement was specifically
about pilots being hired, since that's what the thread is about. I didn't
see a need to waste a bunch of words clarifying that I'm talking about
pilots being hired, since the thread is about pilots being hired. It's not
my fault you can't be bothered to read before you post.

> "Peter Domino" >

What kind of idiot takes the time to intentionally mispell someone else's
name? Oh, that's right. Your kind of idiot. I forgot. My fault.

> Your claim that the
> > airlines "seem to have a 'liking' for ex-military pilots" is utter B.S.
> > Most commercial pilots are NOT from the military.
>
> Which is utter BS . . . Mostly.

It's not BS at all. Even if you take my statement literally out of context,
it's true that most commercial pilots are not from the military.
Furthermore, it's utter BS that the airlines "seem to have a liking" for
ex-military. They hire who they can hire. The fact that the military
provided a glut of pilots looking for jobs in the past is a) irrelevant to
someone looking for a job today, and b) does not show any indication
regarding who airlines "like" or "don't like".

If you'd bothered to pay attention to the context though, you'd have noticed
(maybe) that the topic here is who the airlines are hiring now. Even if we
only restrict the concept to *airline* hiring, it's still true that most are
not ex-military.

> As stated in my reply, you are probably right that most "commercial"
pilots
> are not military. But you specifically mentioned AIRLINE PILOTS.

I never specifically mentioned "AIRLINE PILOTS" explicitly, as it happens.
I have no idea why you are claiming that I did.

> It's right there in black and white, Pete.

Yes, it is. Too bad you haven't bothered to read it.

Pete

[Jim Fisher]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message

> Obviously my statement was specifically
> about pilots being hired, since that's what the thread is about.

Obvious my ass. Nowhere in your post did you mention anything about hiring
practices.

Your full post that I was responding to, in context, reads as follows:

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "Bill Gamelson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Bill Gamelson, and I had a
> > promising life ahead of me. I grew up with the nicest mom and dad I
could
> have
> > ever had.
>
> Apparently they weren't that nice. Your dad didn't leave you any money,
and
> your mom squandered it all. And apparently they taught you nothing about
> proper management of your own finances.
>
> Not that I actually believe a word of what you wrote. Your claim that the
> airlines "seem to have a 'liking' for ex-military pilots" is utter B.S.
> Most commercial pilots are NOT from the military.

[Peter Duniho]

"Jim Fisher" > wrote in message
...
> > Obviously my statement was specifically
> > about pilots being hired, since that's what the thread is about.
>
> Obvious my ass. Nowhere in your post did you mention anything about
hiring
> practices.

It is obvious to anyone who had bothered to read the message that started
the thread. Context is everything, buddy boy.