Gordon Boettger Downwind Wave Record Attempt - Mon 02/17/2014

[WaltWX[_2_]]

At sunrise on 17 February, we are planning on launching in the Duo Discus glider from Minden at sunrise and aiming for Rapid City, SD as our goal, a distance of over 933 miles. Below is a link to the map with our position updates every 5 minutes. If you'd like to see the details of our position, you can click on the blue dots on the map to see our speed, altitude, time, and position. Please do not send text messages to the InReach as I will be extremely busy. Walt Rogers will be assisting in weather and communications with us throughout the flight. We just have to hope that the weather lines up properly for this to happen. It should be fun to watch as a lot can happen flying without a motor.

Gordon Boettger is sharing their location at the MapShare web site: https://share.delorme.com/GordonBoettger

Follow on twitter: https://twitter.com/wrogerswx

Walt's Blog: http://scriptogr.am/wrogerswx/archive

NOTE: Due to the large (70+) cc: address on Gordon's past flights, we must significantly cut back entries on that list. Please, monitor the flight either on my twitter feed @wrogerswx or my blog. Last time, Google shut down my email account late in the afternoon.

[Tony[_5_]]

Woohoo GO MAN GO!

[WaltWX[_2_]]

Gordo's Flight Plan...

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/8abn83d7v2f01cw/BoettgerFlightPlan_20140217_sml.jpg

[Dave Nadler]

On Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:17:59 PM UTC-5, WaltWX wrote:
> Gordo's Flight Plan...
> https://dl.dropbox.com/s/8abn83d7v2f01cw/BoettgerFlightPlan_20140217_sml.jpg

Thanks Walt - Is Hugh with Gordo on this attempt?

[Dave Nadler]

Gordo looks kinda stuck a bit past Fallon.
Looks like he's trying to climb back up but
hasn't gained 2000 feet in the last half hour?
Hope he gets up and going again...

[Kevin Christner]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 12:40:10 PM UTC-5, Dave Nadler wrote:
> Gordo looks kinda stuck a bit past Fallon.
>
> Looks like he's trying to climb back up but
>
> hasn't gained 2000 feet in the last half hour?
>
> Hope he gets up and going again...

My best guess is he's gone about 180mi so far...

[[email protected]]

The satellite loop is interestingly blue. Gorgeous lennies all over Oregon. Was this forecast?

John Cochrane

[JS]

It'll be slower going without confidence the wave is working ahead.
Currently working the Rubys, S of Secret Pass at 18.
In that area you're low below about 12, even on thermal days. The nearest airport Wells Harriet is at 5770'.
Jim

[Kevin Christner]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:50:13 PM UTC-5, JS wrote:
> It'll be slower going without confidence the wave is working ahead.
>
> Currently working the Rubys, S of Secret Pass at 18.
>
> In that area you're low below about 12, even on thermal days. The nearest airport Wells Harriet is at 5770'.
>
> Jim

Climb up to 27k just west of Salt Lake. With a ~75kt tailwind that should give him a gliding range of 350mi+ added to about 250 done so far.

[Tim Taylor]

He just passed Logan, but low near Bear Lake. Hopefully he can get up near Meade Peak and then on to the Salt River Range. He should at least get to Afton Wy.

[Don Johnstone[_4_]]

At 20:32 17 February 2014, Kevin Christner wrote:
>On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:50:13 PM UTC-5, JS wrote:
>> It'll be slower going without confidence the wave is working ahead.
>>
>> Currently working the Rubys, S of Secret Pass at 18.
>>
>> In that area you're low below about 12, even on thermal days. The
nearest
>airport Wells Harriet is at 5770'.
>>
>> Jim
>
>Climb up to 27k just west of Salt Lake. With a ~75kt tailwind that
should
>give him a gliding range of 350mi+ added to about 250 done so far.


Looks to be stuck at Bear Lake but now climbing, what time does it get dark
out there?

[JS]

Good altitude again and into WY...
GO!
Jim

[Dan Marotta]

Sunset today at Afton is 1757.


"Don Johnstone" > wrote in message
...
> At 20:32 17 February 2014, Kevin Christner wrote:
>>On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:50:13 PM UTC-5, JS wrote:
>>> It'll be slower going without confidence the wave is working ahead.
>>>
>>> Currently working the Rubys, S of Secret Pass at 18.
>>>
>>> In that area you're low below about 12, even on thermal days. The
> nearest
>>airport Wells Harriet is at 5770'.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>>Climb up to 27k just west of Salt Lake. With a ~75kt tailwind that
> should
>>give him a gliding range of 350mi+ added to about 250 done so far.
>
>
> Looks to be stuck at Bear Lake but now climbing, what time does it get
> dark
> out there?
>

[Ramy[_2_]]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 3:02:12 PM UTC-8, Don Johnstone wrote:
> At 20:32 17 February 2014, Kevin Christner wrote:
>
> >On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:50:13 PM UTC-5, JS wrote:
>
> >> It'll be slower going without confidence the wave is working ahead.
>
> >>
>
> >> Currently working the Rubys, S of Secret Pass at 18.
>
> >>
>
> >> In that area you're low below about 12, even on thermal days. The
>
> nearest
>
> >airport Wells Harriet is at 5770'.
>
> >>
>
> >> Jim
>
> >
>
> >Climb up to 27k just west of Salt Lake. With a ~75kt tailwind that
>
> should
>
> >give him a gliding range of 350mi+ added to about 250 done so far.
>
>
>
>
>
> Looks to be stuck at Bear Lake but now climbing, what time does it get dark
>
> out there?

28,000 over Bear lake going downwind at 175 MPH. 400 miles to go but less than 2 hours to sunset, although I believe he has wingtip lights which means he has an extra 30 min after sunset. Looks like he may end up a little short. Who is crewing?

Ramy

[Dan Daly[_2_]]

Flight Aware trace now says about 27k, new destination KRIW - Riverton WY, about 1050 km. Great watching this, pity the wave wasn't well marked and stronger.

[[email protected]]

I Love This Sport!

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:14:48 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> I Love This Sport!

Hugh's newest job is to keep the encoders in his coat to keep them warm!

[Ramy[_2_]]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 4:27:20 PM UTC-8, Steve Leonard wrote:
> On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:14:48 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>
> > I Love This Sport!
>
>
>
> Hugh's newest job is to keep the encoders in his coat to keep them warm!

Hmm, they just climbed back to 25K, 15 minutes before sunset. I guess the encoders are working again and they plan to land at dusk? Casper maybe?

[Evan Ludeman[_4_]]

Looks like Casper. Some final glide... 212 mph GPS speed....

T8

[[email protected]]

I love how this is starting to get main-stream press as well! Fun to see gliding in the news not involving an "incident"...

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/02/happening-right-now-gliding-attempt-across-the-mountains-nevada-to-south-dakota/283883/

It has been so fun to watch throughout the day. Sure started off slow the first 5 hours and now it looks like they are making great progress. I know they are equipped for flying at night, but how far are they willing to go in the dark?!?!? Exciting! :)

Bruno - B4

[[email protected]]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:40:07 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> I love how this is starting to get main-stream press as well! Fun to see gliding in the news not involving an "incident"...
>
>
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/02/happening-right-now-gliding-attempt-across-the-mountains-nevada-to-south-dakota/283883/
>
>
>
> It has been so fun to watch throughout the day. Sure started off slow the first 5 hours and now it looks like they are making great progress. I know they are equipped for flying at night, but how far are they willing to go in the dark?!?!? Exciting! :)
>
>
>
> Bruno - B4

I've been stuck to the computer for HOURS! It's been incredibly exciting, nail biting! Such a long struggle over bear lake, transponders died, they come screaming across the Wind Rivers at 200 mph diving through the sink for Riverton then hang a hard right into the wave just when the transponders come back.... Sun going down... EPIC, Just EPIC!

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:53:12 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> I've been stuck to the computer for HOURS! It's been incredibly exciting, nail biting! Such a long struggle over bear lake, transponders died, they come screaming across the Wind Rivers at 200 mph diving through the sink for Riverton then hang a hard right into the wave just when the transponders come back.... Sun going down... EPIC, Just EPIC!

And the current conditions at Casper (well, an hour ago): Wind from the SW at 29 gusting to 38 MPH. Good thing there is a runway pointed pretty much straight into that!

[[email protected]]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 7:02:11 PM UTC-6, Steve Leonard wrote:
> On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:53:12 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>
> > I've been stuck to the computer for HOURS! It's been incredibly exciting, nail biting! Such a long struggle over bear lake, transponders died, they come screaming across the Wind Rivers at 200 mph diving through the sink for Riverton then hang a hard right into the wave just when the transponders come back.... Sun going down... EPIC, Just EPIC!
>
>
>
> And the current conditions at Casper (well, an hour ago): Wind from the SW at 29 gusting to 38 MPH. Good thing there is a runway pointed pretty much straight into that!

currently 240 gusting to 32Kts

[Don Johnstone[_4_]]

At 00:53 18 February 2014, wrote:
>On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:40:07 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>> I love how this is starting to get main-stream press as well! Fun to
>see=
> gliding in the news not involving an "incident"...
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>
>http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/02/happening-right-now=
>-gliding-attempt-across-the-mountains-nevada-to-south-dakota/283883/
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> It has been so fun to watch throughout the day. Sure started off slow
>th=
>e first 5 hours and now it looks like they are making great progress. I
>kn=
>ow they are equipped for flying at night, but how far are they willing to
>g=
>o in the dark?!?!? Exciting! :)
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Bruno - B4
>
>I've been stuck to the computer for HOURS! It's been incredibly
exciting,
>=
>nail biting! Such a long struggle over bear lake, transponders died,
they
>=
>come screaming across the Wind Rivers at 200 mph diving through the sink
>fo=
>r Riverton then hang a hard right into the wave just when the
transponders
>=
>come back.... Sun going down... EPIC, Just EPIC!

0100hrs over here. Looked like they just planked it at Casper so I can go
to bed. Looks to me like Bear Lake was their downfall, that's wave flying
for you, the best conditions when it is getting dark.
>

[Ramy[_2_]]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 5:02:11 PM UTC-8, Steve Leonard wrote:
> On Monday, February 17, 2014 6:53:12 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>
> > I've been stuck to the computer for HOURS! It's been incredibly exciting, nail biting! Such a long struggle over bear lake, transponders died, they come screaming across the Wind Rivers at 200 mph diving through the sink for Riverton then hang a hard right into the wave just when the transponders come back.... Sun going down... EPIC, Just EPIC!
>
>
>
> And the current conditions at Casper (well, an hour ago): Wind from the SW at 29 gusting to 38 MPH. Good thing there is a runway pointed pretty much straight into that!

On the ground at Casper airport! Great flight! This was so much fun to watch.

Ramy

[Evan Ludeman[_4_]]

At least no one will be asking if the wind quit.

T8

[Mike the Strike]

>
> And the current conditions at Casper (well, an hour ago): Wind from the SW at 29 gusting to 38 MPH. Good thing there is a runway pointed pretty much straight into that!

Pretty calm by Casper standards!

Mike

[Ramy[_2_]]

On Monday, February 17, 2014 5:12:33 PM UTC-8, Evan Ludeman wrote:
> At least no one will be asking if the wind quit.
>
>
>
> T8

Wyoming WindSock:
http://www.bowkera.com/wyoming_windsock.htm

Ramy

[[email protected]]

Stewart Tattersall is crewing. Should be near Salt Lake now. Tim Gardner was the tow pilot flying Hugh's C182. Dead calm on the ground all day today.
Rick Walters

[joesimmers[_2_]]

Very nice Awesome flight!!!

[Evan Ludeman[_4_]]

Gordon needs to pick a different goal next time. Else he makes it and some wag comes on r.a.s. and announces that Gordon's flying ability has apparently gone all to KRAP.

T8

PS: Really well done all around, thanks for letting us ride along.

[Brad Alston]

Looks like he landed Casper, WY.. a mere 163 nm from Rapid City, SD! I agree Bruno, great fun to watch during the day. Congratulations Gordon and all involved for an outstanding flight...well done!

Brad.

I love how this is starting to get main-stream press as well! Fun to see gliding in the news not involving an "incident"...

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/02/happening-right-now-gliding-attempt-across-the-mountains-nevada-to-south-dakota/283883/

It has been so fun to watch throughout the day. Sure started off slow the first 5 hours and now it looks like they are making great progress. I know they are equipped for flying at night, but how far are they willing to go in the dark?!?!? Exciting! :)

Bruno - B4

[[email protected]]

Awesome Flight over very rough terrain - Congratulations many times over
Look forward to hearing the first person narrative.

AE

[Dan Marotta]

What a day! Thanks for the nail biting.


> wrote in message
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> Awesome Flight over very rough terrain - Congratulations many times over
> Look forward to hearing the first person narrative.
>
> AE

[Peter von Tresckow]

> wrote:
> Awesome Flight over very rough terrain - Congratulations many times over
> Look forward to hearing the first person narrative.
>
> AE

Anyone know if Gordon is scheduled to speak at the convention? If not this
ought to be arranged ASAP

Peter

[Tim Taylor]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:09:52 AM UTC-7, vontresc wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> > Awesome Flight over very rough terrain - Congratulations many times over
>
> > Look forward to hearing the first person narrative.
>
> >
>
> > AE
>
>
>
> Anyone know if Gordon is scheduled to speak at the convention? If not this
>
> ought to be arranged ASAP
>
>
>
> Peter

I agree! Was fun flight to watch both on the computer and from the ground. I was lucky enough to be one of the few to get to have them fly over. My house was under the flight path. The day was marginal by local standards, looking forward to the next attempt on a longer day in March to May with good conditions. Looks like nearly 2000 km is possible with a launch from Southern CA and landing in North Dakota.

Tim

[Juliet11[_2_]]

Is this the same weather That jolted a 767 going in Billings, Montana?

[[email protected]]

Where can we see an igc file?

[Frank Whiteley]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:09:00 PM UTC-7, Tim Taylor wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:09:52 AM UTC-7, vontresc wrote:
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Awesome Flight over very rough terrain - Congratulations many times over
>
> >
>
> > > Look forward to hearing the first person narrative.
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> >
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> > >
>
> >
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> > > AE
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> >
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> >
>
> >
>
> > Anyone know if Gordon is scheduled to speak at the convention? If not this
>
> >
>
> > ought to be arranged ASAP
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Peter
>
>
>
> I agree! Was fun flight to watch both on the computer and from the ground. I was lucky enough to be one of the few to get to have them fly over. My house was under the flight path. The day was marginal by local standards, looking forward to the next attempt on a longer day in March to May with good conditions. Looks like nearly 2000 km is possible with a launch from Southern CA and landing in North Dakota.
>
>
>
> Tim
I managed to send out an SSA Youth Alert to the younger members of the the SSA yesterday. As many were out of school, I hope we were able to attract some interest to this fascinating flight.

Perhaps one of them will pursue the real challenge.
http://journals.sfu.ca/ts/index.php/ts/article/view/72

Frank Whiteley

[WaltWX[_2_]]

Just updated my blog adding photos from cockpit embedded in time line of blog. bit.ly/BoettgerFlight20140217

Walt Rogers WX

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

wrote, On 2/18/2014 6:52 AM:
> Awesome Flight over very rough terrain - Congratulations many times over
> Look forward to hearing the first person narrative.

And looking at all that snow makes me think of how challenging a landout
could be, and then surviving it until the retrieve got to you,
especially if it was blowing hard on the ground.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

[Brad Alston]

;851428']Is this the same weather That jolted a 767 going in Billings, Montana?

Warning: Some thread drift...but still related to the record flight!

Looking at the HRRR charts WaltWX provided on his blog for the record attempt, my vote would be yes. There was a bunch of serious vertical motion in northern WY...which is where the incident occurred at 34,000 feet. USAToday article link follows.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/18/united-flight-turbulence/5575375/

Unfortunately not everyone was strapped into their seats on the 737 and some injury occurred. I wonder if Gordon and Hugh took any opportunity to scream as they rode their roller coaster!? ;)

Brad.

[Ramy[_2_]]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:22:47 PM UTC-8, Brad Alston wrote:
> 'Juliet11[_2_ Wrote:
>
> > ;851428']Is this the same weather That jolted a 767 going in Billings,
>
> > Montana?
>
>
>
> Warning: Some thread drift...but still related to the record flight!
>
>
>
> Looking at the HRRR charts WaltWX provided on his blog for the record
>
> attempt, my vote would be yes. There was a bunch of serious vertical
>
> motion in northern WY...which is where the incident occurred at 34,000
>
> feet. USAToday article link follows.
>
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/opxsaqr
>
>
>
> Unfortunately not everyone was strapped into their seats on the 737 and
>
> some injury occurred. I wonder if Gordon and Hugh took any opportunity
>
> to scream as they rode their roller coaster!? ;)
>
>
>
> Brad.
>
>
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>
>
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>
> --
>
> Brad Alston

This is odd, as usually the air is extremely smooth at high altitude in the laminar flow of the wave.

Ramy

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:41:47 PM UTC-5, WaltWX wrote:
> Just updated my blog adding photos from cockpit embedded in time line of blog. bit.ly/BoettgerFlight20140217 Walt Rogers WX

A BIG well done to Walt.
Flights like this can't happen without the skilled support of folks like Walt.
and thanks for sharing with us.
Good Finish WX!
UH

[Bob Whelan[_3_]]

> This is odd, as usually the air is extremely smooth at high altitude in the
> laminar flow of the wave.

Correct as far as it goes, I guess...and this is exactly what I once thought
until I went from laminar to "WTF was THAT?!?" in an early-for-me wave flight
up around 28,000 feet. Even did a serious "S" turn to look back for the jet
I'd missed seeing violating my little bit of the wave window; nothing spotted.
Mentally settled myself down from my fright, continued climbing for another
thousand feet or so, then hit worse, more sustained turbulence - enough to
convince me I was in over my head. So I descended to land and began some
self-education.

Short form is any time you're near the edge of a wave (bottom=rotor;
edges/top=shearing) expect serious turbulence. Save for the rotor, the edges
typically aren't visibly marked.

"Top of wave? Don't they all just sorta peter out 'way up high'?" That's what
I likely imagined prior to that flight. Truth is guys like the late Dr.
Joachim Kuettner (discoverer of the wave and a long-time member of my club)
assert that so-called 'trapped waves' (his terminology) are likely more common
than the really big 'petering out' kind. My layman's understanding is trapped
waves are the kind vertically constrained by wind shearing action.

Subsequent to that first wave turbulence encounter, I had several more; each
time proved something of an adrenaline generator for me. Eventually I decided
height for the sake of height - no matter how sublime the views from 'way up
there' - wasn't the lure for me it once was, and - lacking Gordon B.'s drive,
and hence unable to effectively use waves for XC in my part of the
intermountain west (Oh! for the days of the former 24,000' 'Positive Control'
airspace of [for me] semi-recent yore) - waited to vicariously enjoy other's
exploits.

Congratulations to everyone involved in this (and all former) pioneering
soaring flights, and "Thanks for sharing!"

Bob W.

[Papa3[_2_]]

Not necessarily. I remember having to take a test on this during a structures review session. Lots of rough stuff at high altitudes wherever airmasses collide. Google Clear Air Turbulence.



On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 2:18:41 AM UTC-5, Ramy wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:22:47 PM UTC-8, Brad Alston wrote:
>
> > 'Juliet11[_2_ Wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > ;851428']Is this the same weather That jolted a 767 going in Billings,
>
> >
>
> > > Montana?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Warning: Some thread drift...but still related to the record flight!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Looking at the HRRR charts WaltWX provided on his blog for the record
>
> >
>
> > attempt, my vote would be yes. There was a bunch of serious vertical
>
> >
>
> > motion in northern WY...which is where the incident occurred at 34,000
>
> >
>
> > feet. USAToday article link follows.
>
> >
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> >
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> >
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/opxsaqr
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
> > Unfortunately not everyone was strapped into their seats on the 737 and
>
> >
>
> > some injury occurred. I wonder if Gordon and Hugh took any opportunity
>
> >
>
> > to scream as they rode their roller coaster!? ;)
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> > Brad.
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> > Brad Alston
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> This is odd, as usually the air is extremely smooth at high altitude in the laminar flow of the wave.
>
>
>
> Ramy

[JS]

Nearly 48 hours later... Seems the flight isn't going on OLC?
Jim

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:28:28 PM UTC-6, JS wrote:
> Nearly 48 hours later... Seems the flight isn't going on OLC? Jim

Can't touch the logger without the observer being present if you are talking about record flights at this level. So, no. Likely no OLC points for Gordo and Hugh for this flight. Maybe OLC can make an exception and permit its loading and points more than 48 hours after landing?

Steve

[Sean F (F2)]

Or perhaps they could just make the .IGC file available publically on Dropbox, GoogleDrive or any number of file sharing properties?

[[email protected]]

Or much better upload it to https://www.skylines-project.org/

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

Flight is there now for all who wish to view it. Now, if OLC would be willing to increase the "time after landing to submit the claim" so this flight could get points on the board, that would be some nice icing on the cake that is a new US Multiplace Free Distance record.

Great flight, guys!

[JS]

The OLC 48-hour rule is fine if you complete a closed task and get home that evening. It's ridiculous for flights like this.
Unless you have a backup logger and means to upload from a hotel on the road, the IGC file must wait until the OO in Minden gets the logger after a total drive of over 3000km. As OLC is based in Europe, using European commercial driving standards would require three and a half days of driving.
Jim

[AJM]

On Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:20:38 PM UTC-6, JS wrote:
> The OLC 48-hour rule is fine if you complete a closed task and get home that evening. It's ridiculous for flights like this.
>
> Unless you have a backup logger and means to upload from a hotel on the road, the IGC file must wait until the OO in Minden gets the logger after a total drive of over 3000km. As OLC is based in Europe, using European commercial driving standards would require three and a half days of driving.
>
> Jim


To get the OLC points, you can log with a non-IGC logger that the OLC will accept (XCSoar, GlidePath, etc.). For a flight like theirs, you probably want to leave any IGC legal backup logger alone in case there was an issue with the primary.

-AM

[Ramy[_2_]]

On Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:56:03 AM UTC-8, AJM wrote:
> On Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:20:38 PM UTC-6, JS wrote:
>
> > The OLC 48-hour rule is fine if you complete a closed task and get home that evening. It's ridiculous for flights like this.
>
> >
>
> > Unless you have a backup logger and means to upload from a hotel on the road, the IGC file must wait until the OO in Minden gets the logger after a total drive of over 3000km. As OLC is based in Europe, using European commercial driving standards would require three and a half days of driving.
>
> >
>
> > Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> To get the OLC points, you can log with a non-IGC logger that the OLC will accept (XCSoar, GlidePath, etc.). For a flight like theirs, you probably want to leave any IGC legal backup logger alone in case there was an issue with the primary.
>
>
>
> -AM

Giving how well they were equipped for the flight, including dual transponders, I would expect they had a PDA/Tablet logging the flight which they could have uploaded on time. Heck, there are free igc loggers for iphone and android devices, so there is really no excuse not to upload on time unless you cant get anywhere with cell or wifi signal. That said, OLC team usually allows submitting with full points outside the 48 hours window if a request is made via the OLC help page. It will be pity if such a fantastic record flight will not get scored on OLC due to technicality.

Ramy

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

JS wrote, On 2/20/2014 10:20 AM:
> The OLC 48-hour rule is fine if you complete a closed task and get
> home that evening. It's ridiculous for flights like this. Unless you
> have a backup logger and means to upload from a hotel on the road,
> the IGC file must wait until the OO in Minden gets the logger after a
> total drive of over 3000km. As OLC is based in Europe, using European
> commercial driving standards would require three and a half days of
> driving. Jim

My glider isn't flown for records, and even it has 3 IGC loggers in it!
A 302 Vario, ClearNav flight computer, and Flarm. Surely, they had
several loggers, one of which could've been used for the OLC. There are
lots of motels with computers in the lobby, so using one of those for 5
minutes would do the trick, even if they didn't have a tablet or
laptop/netbook with them.

I'm guessing there is some other reason.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

[ND]

On Sunday, February 16, 2014 at 7:51:43 PM UTC-5, WaltWX wrote:
> At sunrise on 17 February, we are planning on launching in the Duo Discus glider from Minden at sunrise and aiming for Rapid City, SD as our goal, a distance of over 933 miles. Below is a link to the map with our position updates every 5 minutes. If you'd like to see the details of our position, you can click on the blue dots on the map to see our speed, altitude, time, and position. Please do not send text messages to the InReach as I will be extremely busy. Walt Rogers will be assisting in weather and communications with us throughout the flight. We just have to hope that the weather lines up properly for this to happen. It should be fun to watch as a lot can happen flying without a motor.
>
> Gordon Boettger is sharing their location at the MapShare web site: https://share.delorme.com/GordonBoettger
>
> Follow on twitter: https://twitter.com/wrogerswx
>
> Walt's Blog: http://scriptogr.am/wrogerswx/archive
>
> NOTE: Due to the large (70+) cc: address on Gordon's past flights, we must significantly cut back entries on that list. Please, monitor the flight either on my twitter feed @wrogerswx or my blog. Last time, Google shut down my email account late in the afternoon.

any hope of more attempts at this? would love to see him get to Rapid city! such an incredible concept.

[WaltWX[_2_]]

Hi ND,

Walt Rogers here... Gordo and I stay in touch regarding weather patterns for his long DW wave flights. We've communicated at several point this Fall, but not lately in Nov Dec.

I know... it looks like a fantastic DW wave pattern with strong zonal 500mb flow in the Western U.S. right now. But, there's way too much moisture(looking at GFS 10-13 day forecasts), clouds and precip for a track toward SLC, Logan UT and east across WY. It's going to be that way well into mid Dec.

We'll just have to wait for a drier pattern.

Walt Rogers WX

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:41:36 AM UTC-8, ND wrote:

>
> any hope of more attempts at this? would love to see him get to Rapid city! such an incredible concept.

[ND]

On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 7:38:28 PM UTC-5, WaltWX wrote:
> Hi ND,
>
> Walt Rogers here... Gordo and I stay in touch regarding weather patterns for his long DW wave flights. We've communicated at several point this Fall, but not lately in Nov Dec.
>
> I know... it looks like a fantastic DW wave pattern with strong zonal 500mb flow in the Western U.S. right now. But, there's way too much moisture(looking at GFS 10-13 day forecasts), clouds and precip for a track toward SLC, Logan UT and east across WY. It's going to be that way well into mid Dec..
>
> We'll just have to wait for a drier pattern.
>
> Walt Rogers WX
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:41:36 AM UTC-8, ND wrote:
>
> >
> > any hope of more attempts at this? would love to see him get to Rapid city! such an incredible concept.

he's an inspiration. and i love the teamwork you guys get into to make it happen. i've got a free distance from elmira NY to tennessee planned, starting in wave. hopefully we can all complete our dream flights!