Mexican Air Force chases UFOs

[John Harlow]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/11/mexico.ufos.ap/index.html

Interesting stuff!

[Chris Ehlbeck]

Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PPASEL

"It's a license to learn."
"John Harlow" > wrote in message
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> http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/11/mexico.ufos.ap/index.html
>
> Interesting stuff!
>
>

[Greg Copeland]

On Wed, 12 May 2004 15:56:17 -0400, Chris Ehlbeck wrote:

> Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?

Probably PT19's. ;)

[Thomas J. Paladino Jr.]

> Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?


http://www.scramble.nl/mx.htm




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> "John Harlow" > wrote in message
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> > http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/11/mexico.ufos.ap/index.html
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> > Interesting stuff!
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[gatt]

"Greg Copeland" > wrote in message

> > Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
>
> Probably PT19's. ;)

With fuzzy dice?

Interesting story, though.

-c

[Chris Ehlbeck]

That's more like it. It's just that I never thought of Mexico as having an
air force.
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PPASEL
"It's a license to learn."

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." > wrote in message
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> > Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
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> http://www.scramble.nl/mx.htm
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> > "John Harlow" > wrote in message
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> > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/11/mexico.ufos.ap/index.html
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> > > Interesting stuff!
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[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"Chris Ehlbeck" > wrote:

> Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?


Anything they can steal.

[Mackfly]

So---now OUR UFOs are being outsourced to Mexico---dang it all. Mac

[Bob Fry]

Orval Fairbairn > writes:

> > Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
>
>
> Anything they can steal.

Hmm. They had some great teachers; the USA stole half their land 150
years ago.

[C J Campbell]

"Chris Ehlbeck" > wrote in message
.. .
> Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?

Mexico is justifiably proud of the Fuerza Area Mexicana, which has a long
and interesting history. Although it has never been particularly large, it
has a long list of accomplishments, including some of the very earliest
experience in air to air combat.

[C J Campbell]

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Chris Ehlbeck" > wrote:
>
> > Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
>
>
> Anything they can steal.

I think they deserve considerably more respect than that.

[John Harlow]

>>> Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
>>
>>
>> Anything they can steal.
>
> I think they deserve considerably more respect than that.

Agreed.

Sheesh.

[G.R. Patterson III]

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote:
>
> > Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
>
> http://www.scramble.nl/mx.htm

Neat! I could paint my Maule up as a gen-u-ine warbird!

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Mackfly wrote:
>
> So---now OUR UFOs are being outsourced to Mexico---dang it all. Mac

Well, *our* military hasn't used them since the 50's. They're surplus.

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

[Dima Volodin]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Chris Ehlbeck" > wrote:
> >
> > > Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
> >
> >
> > Anything they can steal.
>
> I think they deserve considerably more respect than that.

Yep. Instead of retarded giggling, these guys could've easily found pages like
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/americas/mexico/mex-airforce.htm, and one
doesn't even have to know any "Mexican" to read it.


Dima

[Chris Ehlbeck]

I posted the original "what do they fly?" Number one, for some reason I
just never thought of Mexico as having an air force for some reason. An
army and a navy yes but never thought of an air force. And I was curious as
to what they flew. Meaning did they purchase U.S. made aircraft or did they
buy elsewhere. I meant no pun or put down
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PPASEL
"It's a license to learn."

"Dima Volodin" > wrote in message
news:hRMoc.34796$iy5.34073@okepread05...
> "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in
message
> >
...
> > > In article >,
> > > "Chris Ehlbeck" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
> > >
> > >
> > > Anything they can steal.
> >
> > I think they deserve considerably more respect than that.
>
> Yep. Instead of retarded giggling, these guys could've easily found pages
like
> http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/americas/mexico/mex-airforce.htm, and one
> doesn't even have to know any "Mexican" to read it.
>
>
> Dima
>

[Dima Volodin]

Chris Ehlbeck wrote:
>
> I posted the original "what do they fly?" Number one, for some reason I
> just never thought of Mexico as having an air force for some reason. An
> army and a navy yes but never thought of an air force. And I was curious as
> to what they flew. Meaning did they purchase U.S. made aircraft or did they
> buy elsewhere. I meant no pun or put down

I understand that, but still - http://users.on.net/schaafa/bart.jpg :-)

> Chris Ehlbeck, PPASEL

Dima Volodin

[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 13 May 2004 17:59:46 -0400, "Chris Ehlbeck"
> wrote in Message-Id:
>:

> Number one, for some reason I just never thought of Mexico as
> having an air force for some reason.

If I recall correctly, the first military use of an aircraft occurred
in Mexico. While that fact doesn't directly address the subject of
Mexico's current air force, it does indicate that Mexico's place in
military aviation history is assured.

Was it Loughead or Curtiss that shipped an early design across the
border, that was used to strafe the decks of a military ship?

[C J Campbell]

"Chris Ehlbeck" > wrote in message
...
> I posted the original "what do they fly?" Number one, for some reason I
> just never thought of Mexico as having an air force for some reason. An
> army and a navy yes but never thought of an air force. And I was curious
as
> to what they flew. Meaning did they purchase U.S. made aircraft or did
they
> buy elsewhere. I meant no pun or put down
> --

I don't think anyone thought your post meant to be a put-down. Remarks by
some others, though, were downright insulting.

[Ditch]

>Anything they can steal.
>

As someone who is of hispanic descent and who flies professionally, I find this
insulting. Actually, I would find it insulting even if I didn't fly.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

[Ditch]

>Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?

They still operate T-33's and F-5's.
Dunno about anything else.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

[Greg Copeland]

On Sat, 15 May 2004 03:29:10 +0000, Ditch wrote:

>>Anything they can steal.
>>
>
> As someone who is of hispanic descent and who flies professionally, I find this
> insulting. Actually, I would find it insulting even if I didn't fly.
>
>
> -John
> *You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
> American*

Agreed. Notice there were not many rushing in to share his glee. White
people call me *white* (think, white solar panel..yes, you might be
blinded if I take my shirt off outside...hehe) and I was disgusted by the
comment. You don't have to be of hispanic origin to frown on people making
comments like that.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

> > "Chris Ehlbeck" > wrote:
>
> > Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
>
> Orval Fairbairn > wrote:

> Anything they can steal.

Are you a racist Orval....????????

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
Shiver Me Timbers > wrote:

> > > "Chris Ehlbeck" > wrote:
> >
> > > Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
> >
> > Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>
> > Anything they can steal.
>
> Are you a racist Orval....????????

Oh, give me a damn break! PC is just overbearing!

[Morgans]

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote > >
> > > Anything they can steal.
> >
>
> Oh, give me a damn break! PC is just overbearing!

Give yourself a break, and admit your comment was insensitive and not at all
"PC"
--
Jim in NC


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[Doug Carter]

Bob Fry > wrote in message >...
> Orval Fairbairn > writes:
>
> > > Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
> >
> > Anything they can steal.
>
> Hmm. They had some great teachers; the USA stole half their land 150
> years ago.

Mexico's per capita income is less than $9,000 and life expectency is
72 years compared to
more than $36,000 and 76 years in the U.S. The real tragedy is that
we didn't steal all of it and save the Mexican people from the
grinding proverty imposed by their corrupt government.

[C J Campbell]

"Doug Carter" > wrote in message
m...
> Bob Fry > wrote in message
>...
> > Orval Fairbairn > writes:
> >
> > > > Mexico has an air force? What do they fly?
> > >
> > > Anything they can steal.
> >
> > Hmm. They had some great teachers; the USA stole half their land 150
> > years ago.
>
> Mexico's per capita income is less than $9,000 and life expectency is
> 72 years compared to
> more than $36,000 and 76 years in the U.S. The real tragedy is that
> we didn't steal all of it and save the Mexican people from the
> grinding proverty imposed by their corrupt government.

Mexico actually applied for admission to the United States as a state on one
occasion.

[BllFs6]

>Mexico actually applied for admission to the United States as a state on one
>occasion.
>

talk about a missed opportunity....

maybe we can trade mexico for california or southern florida as a state?

Blll

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"Morgans" > wrote:

> "Orval Fairbairn" > wrote > >
> > > > Anything they can steal.
> > >
> >
> > Oh, give me a damn break! PC is just overbearing!
>
> Give yourself a break, and admit your comment was insensitive and not at all
> "PC"


I am sick and tired of PC! The term was invented by none other than Joe
Stalin!

A feew years ago, I was based at Palo Alto, CA, where a mapping company
had an Aero Commander equipped with an $80,000 mapping camera. The plane
and camera disappeared one Friday night. Radar tapes traced it to a dry
lakebed in Mexico, along with five or six other stolen planes.

It took several months for the plane and camera to emerge, piecemeal,
from Mexico, and only after a lot of pressure on the Mexican government,
who had a contract with the mapping company.

Who gives a damn about PC!

[Shiver Me Timbers]

> Orval Fairbairn > wrote:

> Who gives a damn about PC!

I didn't ask if you were Politically Correct Mr. Fairbain
I asked you if you were a racist.

[C J Campbell]

"BllFs6" > wrote in message
...
> >Mexico actually applied for admission to the United States as a state on
one
> >occasion.
> >
>
> talk about a missed opportunity....
>
> maybe we can trade mexico for california or southern florida as a state?

There might be some merit to that. :-)

Actually, Mexico applied soon after throwing the Spanish out. Mexico thought
that becoming a state would help keep the Spanish away. The problem was that
Congress could not agree on the terms of admission. Texas was not yet a
state or even independent, but Mexico was treating Texas as if it was not
really part of Mexico, imposing customs and regulating travel. Andrew
Jackson, who hated Mexicans, did not want any part of it. In fact, even
though Jackson liked Texas, he was largely responsible for keeping Texas as
an independent republic for ten years.

Congress did not particularly like the idea of admitting Mexico, noting the
widespread political instability. Many Congressmen thought that Mexico would
cost more to govern than what it was worth. Texas as an independent republic
had banned slavery, but could only gain admission to the US as a slave state
(apparently the irony of re-introducing slavery into freedom-loving Texas
was lost on American politicians). Debate over whether Mexico would be a
slave state would have been intense, to say the least, and might even have
started a civil war.

Since Congress would not admit Mexico, the country went through a swift
series of power changes, culminating in the rise of General Santa Anna, who
had distinguished himself against the Spanish. Santa Anna was determined to
put down the constant local insurrections and to especially bring Texas back
into line.

If Mexico had been admitted to the United States, Santa Anna would
undoubtedly have been used by the Army to establish law and order there and
the general would probably be remembered as an historic American figure and
Indian fighter of the Old West. He might have eventually suffered a fate
similar to that of Custer. Mexico probably would have been a slave state and
fought on the side of the South in the Civil War. Much, if not all, of the
rest of Central America and possibly even some of Spanish South America
would also have become part of the United States. With such a large Hispanic
population, the United States probably would have had more Spanish
institutions in its own government, might have been more politically
unstable, and the US would have had all the problems of dealing with the
terrorists and insurgents that have plagued the region, but few more
resources to work with.

All in all, it is probably better that Mexico was turned down, even though
it meant that several more wars would be fought over boundary disputes.

[Martin Hotze]

On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:46:59 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:

>All in all, it is probably better that Mexico was turned down, even though
>it meant that several more wars would be fought over boundary disputes.
>

and how would the Mexicans decide today if they had the choice?
and why exactly pro/against? (OK, there are some obvious reasons pro)

#m

--
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[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
Shiver Me Timbers > wrote:

> > Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>
> > Who gives a damn about PC!
>
> I didn't ask if you were Politically Correct Mr. Fairbain
> I asked you if you were a racist.



A stupid question deserves no answer -- especially from someone who
hides behind a fake name.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

> Orval Fairbairn > wrote:

> A stupid question deserves no answer -- especially from someone who
> hides behind a fake name.

My name..... real or otherwise is irrelevant.

Now Mr. Faribairn, you can try to weasel out of it all you want,
but your buddies in this group are watching you squirm.

For the third time...... Are you a racist....???????

[Judah]

Actually, we're all watching the two of you waste bandwidth in a newsgroup
about aviation... I don't think anyone here REALLY cares which one of you
is less tolerant of the other.


Shiver Me Timbers > wrote in news:160520041537496530%
:

>> Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>
>> A stupid question deserves no answer -- especially from someone who
>> hides behind a fake name.
>
> My name..... real or otherwise is irrelevant.
>
> Now Mr. Faribairn, you can try to weasel out of it all you want,
> but your buddies in this group are watching you squirm.
>
> For the third time...... Are you a racist....???????