Live ATC - A victim of homeland security??

[Sam]

I used to listen to live ATC webcasts a couple of years ago and was
able to get LAX, DFW, Ohare, etc. Now the only link I can find is for
SoCal approach. The rest of the links are offline, some w/ messages
stating they were requested to stop transmission, etc. Is this due to
security concerns? Did some knucklehead actually think the San Diego
tower webcast was aiding terrorism?? What's next? A top secret
clearance for a wx brief? There are far too many people running
around like headless chickens over terrorism restrictions.

[Jeff Meininger]

In article >,
(Sam) writes:
> I used to listen to live ATC webcasts a couple of years ago and was
> able to get LAX, DFW, Ohare, etc. Now the only link I can find is for
> SoCal approach. The rest of the links are offline, some w/ messages
> stating they were requested to stop transmission, etc. Is this due to
> security concerns? Did some knucklehead actually think the San Diego
> tower webcast was aiding terrorism?? What's next? A top secret
> clearance for a wx brief? There are far too many people running
> around like headless chickens over terrorism restrictions.

You can still listen to Seattle Center and Portland Approach and
Departure. I was listening just a few days ago.

I think this is the link: http://www.seattleflight.com/liveatc.asp

I doubt that live ATC streams are going away because of terrorism. I
bet it has more to do with who is paying for it. Or, perhaps it's
just a hassle to deal with. But then again, I don't really know for
sure... I'm just a n00b. :)

[Richard Kaplan]

"Sam" > wrote in message
m...

> I used to listen to live ATC webcasts a couple of years ago and was
> able to get LAX, DFW, Ohare, etc. Now the only link I can find is for


This site works fine for monitoring 5-minute-delayed Atlanta traffic:

http://www.atcmonitor.com/


--------------------
Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Richard Kaplan" > wrote in message
s.com...
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> "Sam" > wrote in message
> m...
>
> > I used to listen to live ATC webcasts a couple of years ago and was
> > able to get LAX, DFW, Ohare, etc. Now the only link I can find is for
>
>
> This site works fine for monitoring 5-minute-delayed Atlanta traffic:
>
> http://www.atcmonitor.com/
>
This one as well of Phoenix /Sky Harbor --
rtsp://helix.azcentral.com/encoder/skyharbor.rm

[Gary Drescher]

"Richard Kaplan" > wrote in message
s.com...
>
> This site works fine for monitoring 5-minute-delayed Atlanta traffic:

The delay was recently mandated by the FCC in case the controllers have a
wardrobe malfunction.

--Gary

> http://www.atcmonitor.com/
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> --------------------
> Richard Kaplan, CFII
>
> www.flyimc.com
>
>
>

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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In rec.aviation.piloting Sam > wrote:
> I used to listen to live ATC webcasts a couple of years ago and was
> able to get LAX, DFW, Ohare, etc. Now the only link I can find is for
> SoCal approach. The rest of the links are offline, some w/ messages
> stating they were requested to stop transmission, etc. Is this due to
> security concerns? Did some knucklehead actually think the San Diego
> tower webcast was aiding terrorism?? What's next? A top secret
> clearance for a wx brief? There are far too many people running
> around like headless chickens over terrorism restrictions.

Try http://www.liveatc.net . 'sez all.

BL.
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[Javier Henderson]

(Sam) writes:

> I used to listen to live ATC webcasts a couple of years ago and was
> able to get LAX, DFW, Ohare, etc. Now the only link I can find is for
> SoCal approach. The rest of the links are offline, some w/ messages
> stating they were requested to stop transmission, etc. Is this due to
> security concerns? Did some knucklehead actually think the San Diego
> tower webcast was aiding terrorism?? What's next? A top secret
> clearance for a wx brief? There are far too many people running
> around like headless chickens over terrorism restrictions.

Relax, these webcasts things come and go.

Here's what a friend is working on, I help by hosting some of the
audio streams:

http://www.liveatc.net

If you care to help the cause, and feel like uploading audio from
your local ATC facility, that would be much appreciated.

-jav

[C J Campbell]

"Sam" > wrote in message
m...
> Did some knucklehead actually think the San Diego
> tower webcast was aiding terrorism??

Apparently you thought it might. :-)

Otherwise, why would you conclude that it was security concerns that stopped
the webcast?

[StallFearer]

On 15 May 2004 07:57:30 -0700, (Sam) wrote:

>I used to listen to live ATC webcasts a couple of years ago and was
>able to get LAX, DFW, Ohare, etc. Now the only link I can find is for
>SoCal approach. The rest of the links are offline, some w/ messages
>stating they were requested to stop transmission, etc. Is this due to
>security concerns? Did some knucklehead actually think the San Diego
>tower webcast was aiding terrorism?? What's next? A top secret
>clearance for a wx brief? There are far too many people running
>around like headless chickens over terrorism restrictions.

I threw away my .45 and bought a pack of tweezers for protection in my
home. ;-)

[C J Campbell]

"StallFearer" > wrote in message
...
>
> I threw away my .45 and bought a pack of tweezers for protection in my
> home. ;-)

The one I love is when the media report that someone is keeping "bomb-making
materials" in their home. Looking around my house I have:

wire
wire cutters
aluminum foil
ceramic bowls
iron filings
cinnamon
potassium permanganate
potassium nitrate
gasoline
oil
brake fluid
glycerin
ice
sugar
batteries
clocks
cellular phones
laptop computers
portable radios
smokeless powder
other ammunition
pool/spa chlorine
old newspapers
alcohol
urea
fertilizer
laundry detergent
propane
paraffin
sawdust
a bundle of fuse cord (for a toy black powder cannon I once had)
string

Of course, my 73 year old mother also has most of this stuff, plus
nitroglycerin. In fact, she is likely to set off bomb sniffers just walking
(well, riding her scooter) through an airport.

I'm probably missing a lot of other really obvious stuff, but then I am not
interested in making bombs, either. I think every reporter who writes an
article saying that somebody was keeping bomb-making material in his house
should be forced to do a complete inventory of the bomb-making materials
that the reporter keeps in his own house. That goes for idiot law
enforcement officers who continue to perpetuate this, too.

[Sam]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message >...
> "Sam" > wrote in message
> m...
> > Did some knucklehead actually think the San Diego
> > tower webcast was aiding terrorism??
>
> Apparently you thought it might. :-)
>
> Otherwise, why would you conclude that it was security concerns that stopped
> the webcast?

Well, 2+2 = 5 right? ;)

Actually, the thought hadn't crossed my mind until I came across a
page w/ a link to the SD tower webcast. He cut the link and said he
had been "asked" to remove it. Weird.

[Jonathan]

Check out this site for Northeast ATC incl. centers, tracon, towers for BOS,
JFK, CLE, BDL..

http://www.liveatc.net/

-Jonathan

"Sam" > wrote in message
m...
> I used to listen to live ATC webcasts a couple of years ago and was
> able to get LAX, DFW, Ohare, etc. Now the only link I can find is for
> SoCal approach. The rest of the links are offline, some w/ messages
> stating they were requested to stop transmission, etc. Is this due to
> security concerns? Did some knucklehead actually think the San Diego
> tower webcast was aiding terrorism?? What's next? A top secret
> clearance for a wx brief? There are far too many people running
> around like headless chickens over terrorism restrictions.

[Greg Copeland]

On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:08:41 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:

> The one I love is when the media report that someone is keeping "bomb-making
> materials" in their home. Looking around my house I have:
>
..
..
..
> cinnamon



What? What is that used for, other than food? What's the ingredient
that's relevant to the topic at hand?

[EDR]

In article >, Greg Copeland
> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:08:41 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
> > The one I love is when the media report that someone is keeping "bomb-making
> > materials" in their home. Looking around my house I have:
> > cinnamon

> What? What is that used for, other than food? What's the ingredient
> that's relevant to the topic at hand?

Cinnamon, in certain quantities, is a poison.

[Greg Copeland]

On Mon, 17 May 2004 12:56:15 +0000, EDR wrote:

> In article >, Greg Copeland
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:08:41 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
>> > The one I love is when the media report that someone is keeping "bomb-making
>> > materials" in their home. Looking around my house I have:
>> > cinnamon
>
>> What? What is that used for, other than food? What's the ingredient
>> that's relevant to the topic at hand?
>
> Cinnamon, in certain quantities, is a poison.

Ya, so is nutmeg. But he was talking about bomb making material. So,
what's the connection?

[C J Campbell]

"Greg Copeland" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:08:41 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
>
> > The one I love is when the media report that someone is keeping
"bomb-making
> > materials" in their home. Looking around my house I have:
> >
> .
> .
> .
> > cinnamon
>
>
>
> What? What is that used for, other than food? What's the ingredient
> that's relevant to the topic at hand?

Many years ago Clark Kent as a boy wanted to make his own firecrackers. He
told his mother he needed some cinnamon.... The whole story, of course, was
another learning experience with a moral for a boy who would grow up to
become Superman. Obviously, no Superman comic would tell kids what they
really need to make firecrackers.

I included it in the list simply out of nostalgia.

[Peter Gottlieb]

Hey! Watch out! I have gallons and gallons of dihydrogen monoxide stored
here, and I even brought bottles of it along on my recent flight where I
overflew the airspaces of some major airports!

You think it's not dangerous? Check here: http://www.dhmo.org/




"Greg Copeland" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 May 2004 12:56:15 +0000, EDR wrote:
>
> > In article >, Greg Copeland
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:08:41 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
> >> > The one I love is when the media report that someone is keeping
"bomb-making
> >> > materials" in their home. Looking around my house I have:
> >> > cinnamon
> >
> >> What? What is that used for, other than food? What's the ingredient
> >> that's relevant to the topic at hand?
> >
> > Cinnamon, in certain quantities, is a poison.
>
> Ya, so is nutmeg. But he was talking about bomb making material. So,
> what's the connection?
>
>

[Adam K.]

Cinnamon is used in sticky bombs.

EDR > wrote in message >...
> In article >, Greg Copeland
> > wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:08:41 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
> > > The one I love is when the media report that someone is keeping "bomb-making
> > > materials" in their home. Looking around my house I have:
> > > cinnamon
>
> > What? What is that used for, other than food? What's the ingredient
> > that's relevant to the topic at hand?
>
> Cinnamon, in certain quantities, is a poison.

[SpammyFriends]

On Mon, 17 May 2004 12:56:15 GMT, EDR > wrote:

>In article >, Greg Copeland
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:08:41 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
>> > The one I love is when the media report that someone is keeping "bomb-making
>> > materials" in their home. Looking around my house I have:
>> > cinnamon
>
>> What? What is that used for, other than food? What's the ingredient
>> that's relevant to the topic at hand?
>
>Cinnamon, in certain quantities, is a poison.

My Organic Chem lab T.A. had us write out the lethal ways that water
can kill you / hurt you on EVERY lab. I'll never forget:

Can cause drowning if inhaled into the lungs in quantities greater
than 2 tablespoons.

Can cause excessive urination if large quantities are consumed.

Can cause kidney failure if EXTREMELY large quantaties are consumed
over a large period of time (12 hours).

[SpammyFriends]

On Mon, 17 May 2004 08:21:02 -0500, Greg Copeland >
wrote:

>On Mon, 17 May 2004 12:56:15 +0000, EDR wrote:
>
>> In article >, Greg Copeland
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:08:41 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
>>> > The one I love is when the media report that someone is keeping "bomb-making
>>> > materials" in their home. Looking around my house I have:
>>> > cinnamon
>>
>>> What? What is that used for, other than food? What's the ingredient
>>> that's relevant to the topic at hand?
>>
>> Cinnamon, in certain quantities, is a poison.
>
>Ya, so is nutmeg. But he was talking about bomb making material. So,
>what's the connection?
>

Cinnamon AND dihydrogen monoxide (or anything really) can kill in high
enough doses. Cinamon is JUST as dangerous as tweezers.

[Greg Copeland]

On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:10:51 -0700, Adam K. wrote:

> Cinnamon is used in sticky bombs.
>

Good one. LOL. Um, I think that's sticky buns. ;)

[Greg Copeland]

On Mon, 17 May 2004 07:06:06 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:

>
> "Greg Copeland" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:08:41 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
>>
>> > The one I love is when the media report that someone is keeping
> "bomb-making
>> > materials" in their home. Looking around my house I have:
>> >
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> > cinnamon
>>
>>
>>
>> What? What is that used for, other than food? What's the ingredient
>> that's relevant to the topic at hand?
>
> Many years ago Clark Kent as a boy wanted to make his own firecrackers. He
> told his mother he needed some cinnamon.... The whole story, of course, was
> another learning experience with a moral for a boy who would grow up to
> become Superman. Obviously, no Superman comic would tell kids what they
> really need to make firecrackers.
>
> I included it in the list simply out of nostalgia.

I see. LOL. Thanks for sharing that. Kind of funny what out children
have to be protected from, and how. I wonder how many kids tried to make
something with cinnamon after reading that. You know, somewhere, there's
got to be one kid that tried something with it. LOL.

Thanks.

[Teacherjh]

>>
> Cinnamon is used in sticky bombs.

Good one. LOL. Um, I think that's sticky buns. ;)
<<

Not when you also put in cayenne.

Jose


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[John Harper]

You missed one. Actually if you drink enough to cause kidney
failure it will probably get you by destroying your brain. I
forget the medical term for this, but if the blood is dilute
enough, the brain takes water from it by osmosis and swells.
This isn't just theoretical, there was a very high profile case
a few years ago in the UK where a girl on ecstasy drank
about five litres of water in an hour and died in exactly this
way. (Apparently E causes (a) strong thirst and (b)
compulsive behavior).

John

"SpammyFriends" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 May 2004 12:56:15 GMT, EDR > wrote:
>
> >In article >, Greg Copeland
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:08:41 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
> >> > The one I love is when the media report that someone is keeping
"bomb-making
> >> > materials" in their home. Looking around my house I have:
> >> > cinnamon
> >
> >> What? What is that used for, other than food? What's the ingredient
> >> that's relevant to the topic at hand?
> >
> >Cinnamon, in certain quantities, is a poison.
>
> My Organic Chem lab T.A. had us write out the lethal ways that water
> can kill you / hurt you on EVERY lab. I'll never forget:
>
> Can cause drowning if inhaled into the lungs in quantities greater
> than 2 tablespoons.
>
> Can cause excessive urination if large quantities are consumed.
>
> Can cause kidney failure if EXTREMELY large quantaties are consumed
> over a large period of time (12 hours).

[SpammyFriends]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:43:17 +0100, "John Harper" >
wrote:

>You missed one. Actually if you drink enough to cause kidney
>failure it will probably get you by destroying your brain. I
>forget the medical term for this, but if the blood is dilute
>enough, the brain takes water from it by osmosis and swells.
>This isn't just theoretical, there was a very high profile case
>a few years ago in the UK where a girl on ecstasy drank
>about five litres of water in an hour and died in exactly this
>way. (Apparently E causes (a) strong thirst and (b)
>compulsive behavior).
>
> John
>

Yeap. There was a case here (in the US) of a person dying because the
surgical machine they were hooked to was mis operated. Resulting in a
HUGE amount of water being put in their body.

[C J Campbell]

"Greg Copeland" > wrote in message
...
> >
> > Many years ago Clark Kent as a boy wanted to make his own firecrackers.
He
> > told his mother he needed some cinnamon.... The whole story, of course,
was
> > another learning experience with a moral for a boy who would grow up to
> > become Superman. Obviously, no Superman comic would tell kids what they
> > really need to make firecrackers.
> >
> > I included it in the list simply out of nostalgia.
>
> I see. LOL. Thanks for sharing that. Kind of funny what out children
> have to be protected from, and how. I wonder how many kids tried to make
> something with cinnamon after reading that. You know, somewhere, there's
> got to be one kid that tried something with it. LOL.

Yes. At least one. I never could get it do anything, though. :-)

[Tom Ferris]

> This isn't just theoretical, there was a very high profile case
> a few years ago in the UK where a girl on ecstasy drank
> about five litres of water in an hour and died in exactly this
> way. (Apparently E causes (a) strong thirst and (b)
> compulsive behavior).

Apologies as a newbie for posting a contradictory message.

Leah Betts, the English girl who died, did die of drinking too much water.
This is not, however, caused by an increase in thirst due to ecstacy. It is
well known that E increases dehydration. Also the activities undertaken
whilst taking E, eg dancing, increase this dehydration. As a precaution,
many people drink only water whilst in clubs. However, as perception of
personal requirement for fluids is distorted whilst under this influence,
Leah Betts drank too much water of her own accord....not due to thirst.

Enjoy responsibly
Tom Ferris

[Cub Driver]

> as perception of
>personal requirement for fluids is distorted whilst under this influence,

This is certainly true of G&Ts. I generally start out requiring just
one, but that one persuades me that a second one would also be a good
idea, which in turn makes it absolutely necessary to have a third.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
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[G.R. Patterson III]

Cub Driver wrote:
>
> This is certainly true of G&Ts. I generally start out requiring just
> one, but that one persuades me that a second one would also be a good
> idea, which in turn makes it absolutely necessary to have a third.

Just give me a bottle of Chardonnay and a straw.

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.