AirVenture 2004 NOTAM now available

[EDR]

This year's OSH NOTAM is now available for downloading from the EAA
website.
Also, they have stolen Col Weir's windscreen card idea, and are making
the various IFR/VFR/camping signs available for download.

[Jay Honeck]

Any changes of note?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
> This year's OSH NOTAM is now available for downloading from the EAA
> website.
> Also, they have stolen Col Weir's windscreen card idea, and are making
> the various IFR/VFR/camping signs available for download.

[Jack Allison]

Arrival flows are not color coded but rather named after arrival direction
(Northwest, Southeast, Southwest, Northeast). I'm sure there are other
changes but it's not like I'm comparing word for word to last year. Then
again, we're headed to Fon du Lac this year so arriving won't be quite the
rush it was last year.

Cool picture on the front...too bad we can't see the location of camp Honeck
though :-( Kind of fun to find the bathrooms, count three rows to the West,
point to the middle of the row and think "That's where we were".

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jay Honeck]

> Arrival flows are not color coded but rather named after arrival direction
> (Northwest, Southeast, Southwest, Northeast). I'm sure there are other
> changes but it's not like I'm comparing word for word to last year. Then
> again, we're headed to Fon du Lac this year so arriving won't be quite the
> rush it was last year.

What's going on in Fond du Lac?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jack Allison]

In a word, housing. Staying at Marion College this year. I know, I
know...we're wimps. Real pilots camp at OSH, right? :-) Given that Dad is
coming with us this year though, we thought he'd be more comfortable in the
dorms. Heck, we even paid the extra $5/day for A/C (yes, now we're really
truly wimps...). I will miss camping at OSH though. There's nothing quite
like the rain/wind/lightning/sleeping in the plane/always having something
wet to dry out/daily runs to the Pigly Wigly/etc.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jay Honeck]

> In a word, housing. Staying at Marion College this year. I know, I
> know...we're wimps. Real pilots camp at OSH, right? :-) Given that Dad
is
> coming with us this year though, we thought he'd be more comfortable in
the
> dorms. Heck, we even paid the extra $5/day for A/C (yes, now we're really
> truly wimps...).

Do I even *know* you?

Wow, you fly clear across the country, only to stop short of OSH -- and
sleep in a dorm room?

That ain't right...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[EDR]

In article >, Jack Allison
> wrote:

> In a word, housing. Staying at Marion College this year. I know, I
> know...we're wimps. Real pilots camp at OSH, right? :-) Given that Dad is
> coming with us this year though, we thought he'd be more comfortable in the
> dorms. Heck, we even paid the extra $5/day for A/C (yes, now we're really
> truly wimps...). I will miss camping at OSH though. There's nothing quite
> like the rain/wind/lightning/sleeping in the plane/always having something
> wet to dry out/daily runs to the Pigly Wigly/etc.

What????
You're not going to hang around for dinner this year?

[EDR]

In article <vkaqc.15028$gr.1332381@attbi_s52>, Jay Honeck
> wrote:

> > In a word, housing. Staying at Marion College this year. I know, I
> > know...we're wimps. Real pilots camp at OSH, right? :-) Given that Dad
> is
> > coming with us this year though, we thought he'd be more comfortable in
> the
> > dorms. Heck, we even paid the extra $5/day for A/C (yes, now we're really
> > truly wimps...).
>
> Do I even *know* you?
>
> Wow, you fly clear across the country, only to stop short of OSH -- and
> sleep in a dorm room?
> That ain't right...

Ewhhhh!!!
You might just as well stay at an Inn in Iowa and commute every day.

[Jay Honeck]

> Ewhhhh!!!
> You might just as well stay at an Inn in Iowa and commute every day.

Hey -- now THAT would be cool. Sleeping in a deluxe aviation theme suite,
lounging in your jacuzzi after a long day on the flight line, wouldn't be
too hard to take.

But you'd better have a fast plane.

But a *dorm*? Yuck.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Weir]

EASY, Honeck.

Jim
"dorms R us" for 32 years running...


->But a *dorm*? Yuck.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[Jay Honeck]

> EASY, Honeck.
>
> Jim
> "dorms R us" for 32 years running...

Ah, it must be hell to get old...

<*ducking!*>

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jack Allison]

> Do I even *know* you?
>
> Wow, you fly clear across the country, only to stop short of OSH -- and
> sleep in a dorm room?

Ya, some people do the darndest things, don't they? Especially (borrowing a
term from Jim W.) us left coasters. I know Jay, there's no valid excuse. I
throw myself at the mercy of the official OSH beer pooh-bah and beg
forgiveness. Er, in other words, I guess this means I need to bring extra
"good beer" to the official gathering.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jack Allison]

> What????
> You're not going to hang around for dinner this year?

If you're referring to the annual gathering at Jay and Mary's campsite Eric,
oh no...I wouldn't miss that. Planning on being there until the shuttle
busses quit running.

Speaking of shuttle busses to the various dorms, anyone remember the hours
of operation they ran last year?

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jay Honeck]

> If you're referring to the annual gathering at Jay and Mary's campsite
Eric,
> oh no...I wouldn't miss that. Planning on being there until the shuttle
> busses quit running.

I think they ran until 10 PM last year.

However, if Greg Burkhart drives in again this year, you could probably
sleep in his Miata... ;-)

(He did, one night! I don't know how he could walk the next day...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Weir]

The Aviation Gods would ream me a new one if I didn't admit that Gordon Baxter
taught me that phrase.

Jim



"Jack Allison" >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

Especially (borrowing a
->term from Jim W.) us left coasters.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[Jack Allison]

Hmmm, wouldn't want that Jim. Thx. for the clarification, nice to know the
source.

Speaking of dorms at OSH, where are you staying this year?

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jack Allison]

> However, if Greg Burkhart drives in again this year, you could probably
> sleep in his Miata... ;-)

I remember the story. Hmmm, I've ridden in a Miata, can't imagine trying
to sleep in one. Not exactly built for someone 6 ft. tall.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jim Weir]

Where I've stayed for the last 32 years... UW-O (University of
Wisconsin-Nothing) dorma.

{;-)

Jim


"Jack Allison" >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->Hmmm, wouldn't want that Jim. Thx. for the clarification, nice to know the
->source.
->
->Speaking of dorms at OSH, where are you staying this year?

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[G. Burkhart]

Hopefully I'll get to sleep in my Ercoupe this year...
;-)

-Greg

"Jack Allison" > wrote in message
...
> > However, if Greg Burkhart drives in again this year, you could probably
> > sleep in his Miata... ;-)
>
> I remember the story. Hmmm, I've ridden in a Miata, can't imagine trying
> to sleep in one. Not exactly built for someone 6 ft. tall.
>
> --
> Jack Allison
> PP-ASEL
>
> "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
> with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
> you will always long to return"
> - Leonardo Da Vinci
>
> (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)
>
>

[Margy Natalie]

Jack Allison wrote:

> > What????
> > You're not going to hang around for dinner this year?
>
> If you're referring to the annual gathering at Jay and Mary's campsite Eric,
> oh no...I wouldn't miss that. Planning on being there until the shuttle
> busses quit running.
>
> Speaking of shuttle busses to the various dorms, anyone remember the hours
> of operation they ran last year?

Oshkosh cab runs all the time :-)

Margy

>
>
> --
> Jack Allison
> PP-ASEL
>
> "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
> with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
> you will always long to return"
> - Leonardo Da Vinci
>
> (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Jay Honeck]

> Hopefully I'll get to sleep in my Ercoupe this year...
> ;-)

Cool!

Maybe we should fly in as a flight of three (Brian and Christine are coming
in their Warrior, I think), so that we can camp close to each other?

How fast can the Ercoupe go?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[G. Burkhart]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:m21rc.4792$Vv.356495@attbi_s51...
> Maybe we should fly in as a flight of three (Brian and Christine are
coming
> in their Warrior, I think), so that we can camp close to each other?
>
> How fast can the Ercoupe go?
> --

Not very fast -- maybe I should leave now... ;-)

Lately it has been cruising about 95-100mph so you'll have to give me a head
start. I'll have to see if I'm up to flying into OSH...

-Greg

[Jay Honeck]

> > How fast can the Ercoupe go?
> Lately it has been cruising about 95-100mph so you'll have to give me a
head
> start. I'll have to see if I'm up to flying into OSH...

Well, you'll have no troubles hitting that 80 knot target speed... :-)

Re: Being "up to" flying into OSH. If you can maintain 80 knots (and it
sounds like the Ercoupe basically cruises a bit faster than that), all you
really have to do is:

1) Follow the NOTAM'd procedure, which is rock simple ("Follow the railroad
tracks to the water tower...")
2) Maintain spacing on the guy ahead of you

The arrival procedure is designed to be flown by relatively inexperienced
G.A. pilots. Thousands of pilots have flown into OSH without incident.
You can, too.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[EDR]

In article <Ew2rc.28544$gr.2589550@attbi_s52>, G. Burkhart
> wrote:

> > How fast can the Ercoupe go?

> Not very fast -- maybe I should leave now... ;-)

Which engine?

[Jack Allison]

> Hopefully I'll get to sleep in my Ercoupe this year...

Hey, we slept a few hours in the 172 last year...was the only thing really
water proof during the late night downpour one evening. I don't know
Greg...Miata or Ercoupe...tough choice on which I'd rather sleep in. No
brainer on which one I'd rather take to OSH.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL

[Paul Sengupta]

"G. Burkhart" > wrote in message
news:Ew2rc.28544$gr.2589550@attbi_s52...
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:m21rc.4792$Vv.356495@attbi_s51...
> > Maybe we should fly in as a flight of three (Brian and Christine are
> coming
> > in their Warrior, I think), so that we can camp close to each other?
> >
> > How fast can the Ercoupe go?
> > --
>
> Not very fast -- maybe I should leave now... ;-)
>
> Lately it has been cruising about 95-100mph so you'll have to give me a
head
> start. I'll have to see if I'm up to flying into OSH...

Just about the correct side of the power curve for you to fly
in formation Jay?

Paul

[Jay Honeck]

> Just about the correct side of the power curve for you to fly
> in formation Jay?

I don't know. I have a hard time flying as a flight of two with our old
Warrior (you met the new owner, Brian). I have to be flying at 20 inches
and 2000 RPM, and he has to be balls to the wall.

To fly formation with the Ercoupe would mean flying about 86 knots. I
suppose it could work out, but I'm not sure how well?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Newps]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:t31sc.46265$gr.4558223@attbi_s52...
>
> To fly formation with the Ercoupe would mean flying about 86 knots. I
> suppose it could work out, but I'm not sure how well?

You're kidding right? I fly loose formations with Cubs all the time. We
indicate about 90 mph. Put some flaps down and you should be able to fly at
pretty much any speed he can.

[EDR]

In article >, Newps
> wrote:

> > To fly formation with the Ercoupe would mean flying about 86 knots. I
> > suppose it could work out, but I'm not sure how well?

> You're kidding right? I fly loose formations with Cubs all the time. We
> indicate about 90 mph. Put some flaps down and you should be able to fly at
> pretty much any speed he can.

Guys!!!!!
Formation flying is not one of those "do-it-yourself" instruction
things.
Formation flying with the same type (similar) aircraft is one thing,
formation flying with different (dissimilar) aircraft is asking for
trouble.
The pilot of the lead aircraft has to know how to lead, the wingmen
have to know how to stack, hold position and not get sucked into the
aircraft they are guiding on.

[Newps]

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Newps
> > wrote:
>
> > > To fly formation with the Ercoupe would mean flying about 86 knots.
I
> > > suppose it could work out, but I'm not sure how well?
>
> > You're kidding right? I fly loose formations with Cubs all the time.
We
> > indicate about 90 mph. Put some flaps down and you should be able to
fly at
> > pretty much any speed he can.
>
> Guys!!!!!
> Formation flying is not one of those "do-it-yourself" instruction
> things.
> Formation flying with the same type (similar) aircraft is one thing,
> formation flying with different (dissimilar) aircraft is asking for
> trouble.
> The pilot of the lead aircraft has to know how to lead, the wingmen
> have to know how to stack, hold position and not get sucked into the
> aircraft they are guiding on.

We're not talking about wingtip to wingtip here. We're talking about
anything from about 200 feet apart to a half mile.