Pilot's 2nd Fatal Accident

[Aardvark]

SUNDAY'S Plane Crash Is Pilot's 2nd Fatal Accident
KOMO - Seattle,WA,USA
.... Ghyrn Loveness, 20, was flying a Cessna 170 when he crashed. KOMO 4
News has learned this is the second fatal plane crash Loveness has been
involved in. ...
<http://www.komotv.com/stories/31286.htm>

[Jay Honeck]

Aside from the fact that this lad should perhaps find a safer pastime...

Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the *auto-pilot*?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[C J Campbell]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:rPnqc.73665$iF6.6195912@attbi_s02...
> Aside from the fact that this lad should perhaps find a safer pastime...
>
> Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
> engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the
*auto-pilot*?

The way I read it is that he had turned on his autopilot and was looking at
a map when the mid-air happened.

As for flying without the engine attached, well, we see once again why
eyewitness accounts are unreliable. However, the photo does show an airplane
with the whole cowling and engine missing. Perhaps they were ripped off when
he hit the power lines.

It seems unfair to say that this is the pilot's second fatal accident when
his plane suffered a power failure and he was not even at the controls when
it crashed. The NTSB report of that crash says:

NTSB Identification: SEA03FA124
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Friday, July 04, 2003 in East Wenatchee, WA
Aircraft: Beech A36TC, registration: N279WP
Injuries: 1 Fatal, 1 Serious, 1 Minor.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors.
Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been
completed.

On July 4, 2003, approximately 1330 Pacific daylight time, a Beech A36TC,
N279WP, impacted the terrain during an attempted forced landing in hilly
terrain about three miles northwest of Pangborn Memorial Airport, Wenatchee,
Washington. The commercial pilot received fatal injuries, one of his
passengers received serious injuries, and the other passenger received minor
injuries. The aircraft, which was owned and operated by the pilot, sustained
substantial damage. The 14 CFR Part 91 personal pleasure flight, which
departed Dryden Airport, Cashmere, Washington, about 10 minutes earlier, was
being operated in visual meteorological conditions. No flight plan had been
filed. There was no report of an ELT activation.

According to the back seat passenger, the pilot took off from Cashmere with
the intention of flying to Wenatchee in order to refuel before heading back
to the Puget Sound area. While the aircraft was about four miles from the
Wenatchee Airport and maneuvering to enter the pattern, the engine suffered
a sudden loss of all power. The pilot then attempted to land in a wheat
field growing on a flat area in the hilly terrain. Although his initial
touchdown was successful, he was not able to get the aircraft stopped before
it reached the end of the field, whereupon it slid into the ravine and
impacted the ravine's far wall.

[Richard Russell]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:02:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Aside from the fact that this lad should perhaps find a safer pastime...
>
>Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
>engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the *auto-pilot*?

Good question. The report was ambiguous. It could be interpreted
that he was putting on the autopilot just prior to the crash.
Depending on how you interpret what was written, the autopilot could
have saved his butt or contributed to the cause of the accident by
providing a distraction. The investigation will sort it all out, I'm
sure.
Rich Russell

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Richard Russell" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:02:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote:
>
> >Aside from the fact that this lad should perhaps find a safer pastime...
> >
> >Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
> >engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the
*auto-pilot*?
>
> Good question. The report was ambiguous. It could be interpreted
> that he was putting on the autopilot just prior to the crash.
> Depending on how you interpret what was written, the autopilot could
> have saved his butt or contributed to the cause of the accident by
> providing a distraction. The investigation will sort it all out, I'm
> sure.

Sounds a bit like this one where the pilot was looking down (to engage the
autopilot??) and had a collision.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X09798&key=1

[C J Campbell]

"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Richard Russell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:02:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >Aside from the fact that this lad should perhaps find a safer
pastime...
> > >
> > >Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
> > >engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the
> *auto-pilot*?
> >
> > Good question. The report was ambiguous. It could be interpreted
> > that he was putting on the autopilot just prior to the crash.
> > Depending on how you interpret what was written, the autopilot could
> > have saved his butt or contributed to the cause of the accident by
> > providing a distraction. The investigation will sort it all out, I'm
> > sure.
>
> Sounds a bit like this one where the pilot was looking down (to engage the
> autopilot??) and had a collision.
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X09798&key=1

That is a different accident. The accident in question here happened near
Tenino, WA on Sunday and involved a collision between a Cessna 210 and a
170.

[Mark]

Aardvark > wrote in message >...
> SUNDAY'S Plane Crash Is Pilot's 2nd Fatal Accident
> KOMO - Seattle,WA,USA
> ... Ghyrn Loveness, 20, was flying a Cessna 170 when he crashed. KOMO 4
> News has learned this is the second fatal plane crash Loveness has been
> involved in. ...
> <http://www.komotv.com/stories/31286.htm>

Great, now he gets to vote in Chicago....

[C J Campbell]

"Aardvark" > wrote in message
...
> SUNDAY'S Plane Crash Is Pilot's 2nd Fatal Accident
> KOMO - Seattle,WA,USA
> ... Ghyrn Loveness, 20, was flying a Cessna 170 when he crashed. KOMO 4
> News has learned this is the second fatal plane crash Loveness has been
> involved in. ...
> <http://www.komotv.com/stories/31286.htm>
>

Another blasted tailwheel pilot that can't fly. No doubt he thinks all the
flight instructors are incompetent.





(For the sarcasm impaired -- no, I am not serious. I'm glad he was able to
walk away and I have no idea whose fault the accident was or what the guy
thinks.)

[Tom Sixkiller]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Richard Russell" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:02:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Aside from the fact that this lad should perhaps find a safer
> pastime...
> > > >
> > > >Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with
his
> > > >engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the
> > *auto-pilot*?
> > >
> > > Good question. The report was ambiguous. It could be interpreted
> > > that he was putting on the autopilot just prior to the crash.
> > > Depending on how you interpret what was written, the autopilot could
> > > have saved his butt or contributed to the cause of the accident by
> > > providing a distraction. The investigation will sort it all out, I'm
> > > sure.
> >
> > Sounds a bit like this one where the pilot was looking down (to engage
the
> > autopilot??) and had a collision.
> > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X09798&key=1
>
> That is a different accident. The accident in question here happened near
> Tenino, WA on Sunday and involved a collision between a Cessna 210 and a
> 170.

I didn't say it was the SAME accident, just SIMILAR. (i.e., distracted while
engaging the autopilot).

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:02:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

Typical eye-witness faux-pas.... (BS)

But the engine, mount & cowling did depart the aircraft in flight.
The engine was found 1000+ feet from the rest of the airplane.

Bela P. Havasreti

>Aside from the fact that this lad should perhaps find a safer pastime...
>
>Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
>engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the *auto-pilot*?

[NW_PILOT]

Scott Develin will be missed I was just getting to know him :( he was a
excellent mechanic and a really nice guy helped me out a bunch this hits to
close to home.

"Aardvark" > wrote in message
...
> SUNDAY'S Plane Crash Is Pilot's 2nd Fatal Accident
> KOMO - Seattle,WA,USA
> ... Ghyrn Loveness, 20, was flying a Cessna 170 when he crashed. KOMO 4
> News has learned this is the second fatal plane crash Loveness has been
> involved in. ...
> <http://www.komotv.com/stories/31286.htm>
>

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 10:43:42 -0400, Richard Russell
> wrote:

Betcha a big glass of your favorite beer there is/was no autopilot
in the 170 (who would put an autopilot in a 170?!!!).
What more likely happened, is the "witness" heard what
he wanted to hear (the pilot was quoted at some point saying
(words to the effect that) he was just "cruising along and POOF...
he never saw the other aircraft"

Bela P. Havasreti



>On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:02:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:
>
>>Aside from the fact that this lad should perhaps find a safer pastime...
>>
>>Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
>>engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the *auto-pilot*?
>
>Good question. The report was ambiguous. It could be interpreted
>that he was putting on the autopilot just prior to the crash.
>Depending on how you interpret what was written, the autopilot could
>have saved his butt or contributed to the cause of the accident by
>providing a distraction. The investigation will sort it all out, I'm
>sure.
>Rich Russell

[NW_PILOT]

Scott will be missed anyone that knows him will know that he was a great
person would help with almost anything I was just getting to know Scott. He
was a great mechanic helped me try and find my first airplane with out
anything in return. I hope his wife Heather and kids get through this rough
time.

Please Visit His Web Site For More Information In Ways To Donate To His
Family

http://www.devlinaviation.com


"Aardvark" > wrote in message
...
> SUNDAY'S Plane Crash Is Pilot's 2nd Fatal Accident
> KOMO - Seattle,WA,USA
> ... Ghyrn Loveness, 20, was flying a Cessna 170 when he crashed. KOMO 4
> News has learned this is the second fatal plane crash Loveness has been
> involved in. ...
> <http://www.komotv.com/stories/31286.htm>
>

[NW_PILOT]

You forgot looking at a chart (well they call it a map)


"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Richard Russell" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:02:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Aside from the fact that this lad should perhaps find a safer
> pastime...
> > > >
> > > >Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with
his
> > > >engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the
> > *auto-pilot*?
> > >
> > > Good question. The report was ambiguous. It could be interpreted
> > > that he was putting on the autopilot just prior to the crash.
> > > Depending on how you interpret what was written, the autopilot could
> > > have saved his butt or contributed to the cause of the accident by
> > > providing a distraction. The investigation will sort it all out, I'm
> > > sure.
> >
> > Sounds a bit like this one where the pilot was looking down (to engage
the
> > autopilot??) and had a collision.
> > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X09798&key=1
>
> That is a different accident. The accident in question here happened near
> Tenino, WA on Sunday and involved a collision between a Cessna 210 and a
> 170.
>
>

[NW_PILOT]

Yea because he was looking at his chart and not outside.


"Bela P. Havasreti" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 10:43:42 -0400, Richard Russell
> > wrote:
>
> Betcha a big glass of your favorite beer there is/was no autopilot
> in the 170 (who would put an autopilot in a 170?!!!).
> What more likely happened, is the "witness" heard what
> he wanted to hear (the pilot was quoted at some point saying
> (words to the effect that) he was just "cruising along and POOF...
> he never saw the other aircraft"
>
> Bela P. Havasreti
>
>
>
> >On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:02:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Aside from the fact that this lad should perhaps find a safer pastime...
> >>
> >>Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
> >>engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the
*auto-pilot*?
> >
> >Good question. The report was ambiguous. It could be interpreted
> >that he was putting on the autopilot just prior to the crash.
> >Depending on how you interpret what was written, the autopilot could
> >have saved his butt or contributed to the cause of the accident by
> >providing a distraction. The investigation will sort it all out, I'm
> >sure.
> >Rich Russell
>

[C J Campbell]

"Bela P. Havasreti" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 10:43:42 -0400, Richard Russell
> > wrote:
>
> Betcha a big glass of your favorite beer there is/was no autopilot
> in the 170 (who would put an autopilot in a 170?!!!).

My favorite 'beer' is root beer.

[Peter R.]

NW_PILOT ) wrote:

> Please Visit His Web Site For More Information In Ways To Donate To His
> Family
>
> http://www.devlinaviation.com

Website appears to be down.

--
Peter

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 10:06:28 -0700, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:

But I "win" the bet, and mine isn't root beer (mine is Moose Drool).

So pay up! 8^)

Bela P. Havasreti

>"Bela P. Havasreti" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 18 May 2004 10:43:42 -0400, Richard Russell
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Betcha a big glass of your favorite beer there is/was no autopilot
>> in the 170 (who would put an autopilot in a 170?!!!).
>
>My favorite 'beer' is root beer.
>

[Don Tuite]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:31:51 GMT, Bela P. Havasreti
> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 May 2004 10:06:28 -0700, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:
>
>But I "win" the bet, and mine isn't root beer (mine is Moose Drool).
>
>So pay up! 8^)
>
>Bela P. Havasreti
>
>>"Bela P. Havasreti" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Tue, 18 May 2004 10:43:42 -0400, Richard Russell
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Betcha a big glass of your favorite beer there is/was no autopilot
>>> in the 170 (who would put an autopilot in a 170?!!!).
>>
>>My favorite 'beer' is root beer.
>>

FWIW, the club's '61 172 has a functioning Tactair single-axis AP.
(Alll pneumatic, BTW. Even the servos run off vacuum.) I bet the STC
covers the 170 as well.

Don

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:11:10 GMT, Don Tuite
> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:31:51 GMT, Bela P. Havasreti
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 May 2004 10:06:28 -0700, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:
>>
>>But I "win" the bet, and mine isn't root beer (mine is Moose Drool).
>>
>>So pay up! 8^)
>>
>>Bela P. Havasreti
>>
>>>"Bela P. Havasreti" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2004 10:43:42 -0400, Richard Russell
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Betcha a big glass of your favorite beer there is/was no autopilot
>>>> in the 170 (who would put an autopilot in a 170?!!!).
>>>
>>>My favorite 'beer' is root beer.
>>>
>
>FWIW, the club's '61 172 has a functioning Tactair single-axis AP.
>(Alll pneumatic, BTW. Even the servos run off vacuum.) I bet the STC
>covers the 170 as well.
>
>Don

I don't doubt that, but a venturi-equipped 170 with a Tactair AP
system? You won't find me flying one in the clouds....

I guess the point of my original comment is the 170 "enjoys" (shall we
say) sub-standard performance as it is with only 145hp up front.
Adding the weight of an auto pilot and/or other fancy gizmos in the
panel is kinda asking for trouble.... unless you only intend to fly
it at or around sea-level on relatively cool days.

(and yes, I own a C-170B and am instrument rated).

Bela P. Havasreti

[Mike Weller]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 06:51:25 -0400, Aardvark
> wrote:


>... Ghyrn Loveness, 20, was flying a Cessna 170 when he crashed. KOMO 4
>News has learned this his second fatal plane crash...

Ya can't keep a good boy down.

General Francisco Franco is still dead.

[BTIZ]

A pilot's second fatality... it's amazing what modern medicine can do now..
die once.. resurrected.. to die again...

Sorry to hear about the accident though...

even when headlines are misleading..

BT

"Aardvark" > wrote in message
...
> SUNDAY'S Plane Crash Is Pilot's 2nd Fatal Accident
> KOMO - Seattle,WA,USA
> ... Ghyrn Loveness, 20, was flying a Cessna 170 when he crashed. KOMO 4
> News has learned this is the second fatal plane crash Loveness has been
> involved in. ...
> <http://www.komotv.com/stories/31286.htm>
>

[Philip Sondericker]

in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 5/18/04 7:40 AM:

>
> It seems unfair to say that this is the pilot's second fatal accident when
> his plane suffered a power failure and he was not even at the controls when
> it crashed.

Indeed. The PIC of that flight was Loveness' father, meaning that the young
man bears absolutely no responsibility for whatever happened, be it engine
failure or otherwise.

As for this latest accident, we don't know much yet, but it's worth noting
that "see and avoid" is the responsibility of not just one pilot, but ALL
pilots involved. It may turn out that this kid is a perfectly competent
pilot who is merely incredibly unlucky (or incredibly lucky, depending on
how you choose to look at it).

[Don Tuite]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:20:22 GMT, Bela P. Havasreti
> wrote:


>(and yes, I own a C-170B and am instrument rated).
>
>Bela P. Havasreti

Wanna buy a Tactair?

Don

[C J Campbell]

"Philip Sondericker" > wrote in message
...
> in article , C J Campbell at
> wrote on 5/18/04 7:40 AM:
>
> >
> > It seems unfair to say that this is the pilot's second fatal accident
when
> > his plane suffered a power failure and he was not even at the controls
when
> > it crashed.
>
> Indeed. The PIC of that flight was Loveness' father, meaning that the
young
> man bears absolutely no responsibility for whatever happened, be it engine
> failure or otherwise.
>
> As for this latest accident, we don't know much yet, but it's worth noting
> that "see and avoid" is the responsibility of not just one pilot, but ALL
> pilots involved. It may turn out that this kid is a perfectly competent
> pilot who is merely incredibly unlucky (or incredibly lucky, depending on
> how you choose to look at it).
>

The more I hear about it, the more that appears to be the case. It looks
like the Centurion descended into the 170 from behind -- not much anybody
could do about it. The 170 would have been hidden under the Centurion's
cowling and the Centurion would not have been visible to anyone in the 170.

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On Wed, 19 May 2004 02:57:29 GMT, Don Tuite
> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:20:22 GMT, Bela P. Havasreti
> wrote:
>
>
>>(and yes, I own a C-170B and am instrument rated).
>>
>>Bela P. Havasreti
>
>Wanna buy a Tactair?
>
>Don

Very funny Don!

No thanks...
..
Bela

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Mike Weller" > wrote in message
s.com...
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 06:51:25 -0400, Aardvark
> > wrote:
>
>
> >... Ghyrn Loveness, 20, was flying a Cessna 170 when he crashed. KOMO 4
> >News has learned this his second fatal plane crash...
>
> Ya can't keep a good boy down.
>
> General Francisco Franco is still dead.
>

But Elvis isn't...not really.

[tony roberts]

> Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
> engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the *auto-pilot*?

I read the accident reports and my understanding was that he was on
autopilot, reading a chart, when the midair happened.

Scott Devlin left behind a wife and two children aged 1 year and 3 years,
Perhaps those that find this a source for their feeble attempts at
humour may reflect on that.

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument :)
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[Jay Beckman]

"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike Weller" > wrote in message
> s.com...
> > On Tue, 18 May 2004 06:51:25 -0400, Aardvark
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >... Ghyrn Loveness, 20, was flying a Cessna 170 when he crashed. KOMO 4
> > >News has learned this his second fatal plane crash...
> >
> > Ya can't keep a good boy down.
> >
> > General Francisco Franco is still dead.
> >
>
> But Elvis isn't...not really.
>
>
>

Men In Black:

"Elvis is not dead...He just went home."

Jay B

[Morgans]

"tony roberts" > wrote
>
> I read the accident reports and my understanding was that he was on
> autopilot, reading a chart, when the midair happened.
>
> Scott Devlin left behind a wife and two children aged 1 year and 3 years,
> Perhaps those that find this a source for their feeble attempts at
> humour may reflect on that.
>
> Tony

Easy, Tony. I don't think anyone was attempting to make humor out of
Scott's untimely and tragic death. Understanding the chain of events was
not easy, given how the two different incidents were reported on these
posts. We lose far too many good people, sometimes by events that should
have been preventable.

We all feel the pain.
--
Jim in NC


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[tony roberts]

> Easy, Tony. I don't think anyone was attempting to make humor out of
> Scott's untimely and tragic death.

Hi Jim
I want to agree with you.
But then i am reading:

A pilot's second fatality... it's amazing what modern medicine can do
now..
die once.. resurrected.. to die again...

----------------------------------

Ya can't keep a good boy down.

General Francisco Franco is still dead.

-------------------------------

But Elvis isn't...not really.

-------------------------------

Men In Black:

"Elvis is not dead...He just went home."

-------------------------------


Another blasted tailwheel pilot that can't fly. No doubt he thinks all
the
flight instructors are incompetent.

-----------------------------------

Great, now he gets to vote in Chicago....

-------------------------------------------


And so on . . . while we can only imagine what his wife is going through
right now.


But maybe on reflection I shouldn't have said anything Jim. This is a
sensitive subject for me having just gone through a very close family
death myself.
And through the rec. aviation groups I have known some of the people who
made these comments for several years. And I believe that they would not
usually make light of a tragedy such as this.
This particular thread appears to have spun off into directions that
perhaps everyone wishes they could retract.

Thanks for your post. I really do appreciate it.

Tony



Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument :)
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[Jay Beckman]

"tony roberts" > wrote in message
...
>
> > Easy, Tony. I don't think anyone was attempting to make humor out of
> > Scott's untimely and tragic death.
>
> Hi Jim
> I want to agree with you.
> But then i am reading:
>

Tony,

Please accept my most sincere apology...

My Men In Black quote was meant to follow on to the Elvis reference and was
a "reflexive" response.

I meant no disrespect toward anyone.

Sincerely,

Jay Beckman
Student Pilot - KCHD
20.0 Hrs (.6 Solo Today!!)
Nowhere to go but up!

[Morgans]

"tony roberts" > wrote in message
...
>
> > Easy, Tony. I don't think anyone was attempting to make humor out of
> > Scott's untimely and tragic death.
>
> Hi Jim
> I want to agree with you.
> But then i am reading:

Upon further review.....

I have to agree, there is much that goes on here, in bad taste. Take BWB,
or BOb. Please! <g>

I want to believe that they are poking fun at the other (in my eyes, idiot),
and not making light of the tragedy as it relates to Scott.

Still, people have their own ways of dealing with pain. Jokes are one way.
Some would joke about their own death, if they could.

I keep a vast kill file. Sometimes, a person only ****es me off one time.
They don't bother me anymore, after that. Once in a while, I plull some out
for a second chance. They usually go back in pretty quick. It might be
time to start your own kill file.

Again sorry for your loss.
--
Jim in NC


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[NW_PILOT]

Hey he left behind a bunch of friends also.


"tony roberts" > wrote in message
...
> > Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
> > engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the
*auto-pilot*?
>
> I read the accident reports and my understanding was that he was on
> autopilot, reading a chart, when the midair happened.
>
> Scott Devlin left behind a wife and two children aged 1 year and 3 years,
> Perhaps those that find this a source for their feeble attempts at
> humour may reflect on that.
>
> Tony
>
> --
>
> Tony Roberts
> PP-ASEL
> VFR OTT
> Night
> Almost Instrument :)
> Cessna 172H C-GICE

[Cub Driver]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:02:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
>engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the *auto-pilot*?
>--

No, he was on auto-pilot when the collision took place, according to
the news story. He evidently did a pretty good job of getting it down,
at least until he tangled with the power lines.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
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Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org

[kage]

I've never seen a Cessna 170 with an autopilot.


"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:02:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote:
>
> >Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
> >engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the
*auto-pilot*?
> >--
>
> No, he was on auto-pilot when the collision took place, according to
> the news story. He evidently did a pretty good job of getting it down,
> at least until he tangled with the power lines.
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford
> email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)
>
> The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
> The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
> Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org

[G.R. Patterson III]

C J Campbell wrote:
>
> The way I read it is that he had turned on his autopilot and was looking at
> a map when the mid-air happened.

He may not even have had one. A lot of pilots I know use "on autopilot" to refer to a
period in which they don't need to provide any control inputs. He may simply have
meant that he was flying along nice and relaxed and then WHAM.

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

[C J Campbell]

"NW_PILOT" > wrote in message
...
> Hey he left behind a bunch of friends also.
>

The other pilot involved also has a bunch of friends. He and his wife have a
few planes that they fly regularly out of Vashon Island. Now he has to spend
the rest of his life wondering if he could have done something different.

Maybe those who think that he was an idiot ought to stop and think about
that the next time they have to look at chart, grab a sandwich, or whatever.

It appears he was hit from behind and above. The Centurion was, for some
reason, making large altitude changes, both climbing and descending.

[Judah]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in
:

<snip>
> It seems unfair to say that this is the pilot's second fatal accident
> when his plane suffered a power failure and he was not even at the
> controls when it crashed. The NTSB report of that crash says:
<snip>

All's fair during love, war, and sweeps week?

[Judah]

It's a news story. In sweeps week. With a quote from (as I recall a
teenaged) unnamed "eyewitness" on the ground.

How reliable do you think it is?


"kage" > wrote in :

> I've never seen a Cessna 170 with an autopilot.
>
>
> "Cub Driver" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:02:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Did he really land his Cessna 170, after a mid-air collision, with his
>> >engine no longer attached to the airframe -- by turning on the
>> >*auto-pilot*? --
>>
>> No, he was on auto-pilot when the collision took place, according to
>> the news story. He evidently did a pretty good job of getting it down,
>> at least until he tangled with the power lines.
>>
>> all the best -- Dan Ford
>> email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)
>>
>> The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
>> The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
>> Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org
>
>

[Philip Sondericker]

in article , Judah at
wrote on 5/19/04 6:39 PM:

> "C J Campbell" > wrote in
> :
>
> <snip>
>> It seems unfair to say that this is the pilot's second fatal accident
>> when his plane suffered a power failure and he was not even at the
>> controls when it crashed. The NTSB report of that crash says:
> <snip>
>
> All's fair during love, war, and sweeps week?

Except that it isn't just the media that seems to have jumped to
conclusions...

[SD]

On Wed, 19 May 2004 03:05:55 -0400, "Morgans"
> wrote:

>
>
>Still, people have their own ways of dealing with pain. Jokes are one way.
>Some would joke about their own death, if they could.
>
Agreed, after being a police officer for 13 years and a paramedic for
5, I have seen my share of death and mangled bodies. If I were to
allow my emotions to get the better of me, they would have put me in a
rubber room a long time ago. Humor is often used as a release of
emotions when death is involved. It is just another coping mechanisim
that the mind uses, thats all. It is not meant to minimize the
situation.


Scott D.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"SD" <c o f l y i n g @ p c i s y s d o t n e t> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 19 May 2004 03:05:55 -0400, "Morgans"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Still, people have their own ways of dealing with pain. Jokes are one
way.
> >Some would joke about their own death, if they could.
> >
> Agreed, after being a police officer for 13 years and a paramedic for
> 5, I have seen my share of death and mangled bodies. If I were to
> allow my emotions to get the better of me, they would have put me in a
> rubber room a long time ago. Humor is often used as a release of
> emotions when death is involved. It is just another coping mechanisim
> that the mind uses, thats all. It is not meant to minimize the
> situation.
>
Listen to some of the military marching music about "what a hell of a way to
die"...

[gatt]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message

> The other pilot involved also has a bunch of friends. He and his wife have
a
> few planes that they fly regularly out of Vashon Island.

If I die (flying) and my obit reads "he and his wife have a few planes that
they fly regularly," my friends and family can at least say I lived a good
life. :>

Another plane went down in Oregon and they found it yesterday. The news
described him as "an extremely experienced pilot; in fact, he was instrument
rated"

Been some cruddy and turbulent flying weather out here lately.

-c

[Aardvark]

Mysteries remain in fatal plane collision

BARRY GINTER THE OLYMPIAN
Investigators are expected to release a preliminary report today into
the fatal plane crash that occurred southeast of Tenino on Sunday, but
many questions about the accident remain unanswered.

Two Cessnas collided about 8:30 p.m. near Skookumchuck Road.

The pilot of one, Scott Christopher Devlin, 33, who was on his way to
Renton from his hometown of Camas, was killed in the crash.

The pilot of the other plane, Ghryn E. Loveness, 20, who was headed home
to Vashon Island after departing from Portland, survived after a crash
landing. There were no passengers in either airplane.

The report will raise the question of whether there was a third plane in
the area flying at a much lower height than the planes that collided,
said Tom Little, a National Transportation Safety Board air safety
investigator based in Seattle.

Initial reports indicated the planes crashed about 800 feet above the
ground, but radar indicated they collided at a height of about 3,500
feet, Little said.

Conflicting accounts

Other conflicting witness accounts must be addressed.

Some witnesses said one plane was doing stunts prior to the crash,
including sharp nosedives followed by swift ascents.

Jon Grayless was washing his barn when he saw a plane doing stunts
overhead. It was just a few seconds later that the planes collided, he said.

He did not see the collision, but he said he is almost certain it was
Devlin's plane that was doing the stunts.

But another witness, John Benedict, told investigators neither plane had
been doing stunts, according to his wife, Sheryl Benedict.

Devlin's family visited the crash site and indicated he was not a stunt
flyer and the plane was not equipped to do stunts, she said.

The report expected to be released today will not levy fault. A final
report is expected to take at least six months. Little will interview
other witnesses prior to its release, he said.

"There are so many different aspects of this, we have to investigate,"
Little said. "There's just lots of unknowns."

The airplanes are now in Seattle for examination, he said.

The Federal Aviation Administration also is conducting an investigation.
The results of the FAA's investigation will be turned over to the
National Transportation Safety Board.

Loveness' plane lost its engine after the collision, Little said. Pilots
don't normally survive that type of crash, he said.

"It's more amazing than amazing," Little said. Normally, a plane goes
into an uncontrollable spin when it sustains that amount of damage, he said.

"He did a heck of a job to get it on the ground."