Pay for CFI's

[The Black Sheep]

Can anyone tell me what a typical CFI gets paid? More specifically,
what a full time CFI in a local flight school can expect to get paid?
Just a WAG would be sufficient.

Thanks,
TBS
--
The Black Sheep

[EDR]

In article .net>,
The Black Sheep > wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what a typical CFI gets paid? More specifically,
> what a full time CFI in a local flight school can expect to get paid?
> Just a WAG would be sufficient.


If you work for Delta Academy, you get $10 per flight hour.
If you work for an FBO or school, it is whatever rate they pay.
If you freelance, it depends on your reputation.

The instructor I use, I pay $35 per flight hour.
I know of another who charges $50 per flight hour.
Both are in demand and are turning students away because they have so
much work.

[zatatime]

On Wed, 19 May 2004 15:33:32 GMT, The Black Sheep
> wrote:

>Can anyone tell me what a typical CFI gets paid? More specifically,
>what a full time CFI in a local flight school can expect to get paid?
>Just a WAG would be sufficient.
>
>Thanks,
>TBS


Between 15 and 25 dollars per Flight hour. When it rains and you
don't fly, you don't make anything.

Some airports give a small salary, but my numbers for that are too old
to have any truth to them.

HTH
z

[William W. Plummer]

"zatatime" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 19 May 2004 15:33:32 GMT, The Black Sheep
> > wrote:
>
> >Can anyone tell me what a typical CFI gets paid? More specifically,
> >what a full time CFI in a local flight school can expect to get paid?
> >Just a WAG would be sufficient.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >TBS
>
>
> Between 15 and 25 dollars per Flight hour. When it rains and you
> don't fly, you don't make anything.
>
> Some airports give a small salary, but my numbers for that are too old
> to have any truth to them.

And, you have to buy your own health insurance.

[C J Campbell]

"The Black Sheep" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> Can anyone tell me what a typical CFI gets paid? More specifically,
> what a full time CFI in a local flight school can expect to get paid?
> Just a WAG would be sufficient.

A full time flight instructor in a local flight school gets between $12 and
$18 per hour of instruction. An independent gets anywhere from $20 to $50,
unless he specializes in some advanced rating such as multi-engine seaplane.
Then he can get well over $100. However, the independent has to pay his own
payroll taxes, so he is not earning that much more than a flight school
employee.

[Cub Driver]

Locally, the *charge* is $25/hr. I don't know how much if any of that
the airport keeps back.

Most instructors locally don't charge for ground time, which often
doubles the time they spend with a student. When I went for an XC
flight, my instructor would drive up from MA, say 150 miles
round-trip, and sit around the airport until I got back, for no pay.

Of course he is retired, which may give him a more relaxed attitude
toward the profession.

On Wed, 19 May 2004 15:33:32 GMT, The Black Sheep
> wrote:

>Can anyone tell me what a typical CFI gets paid? More specifically,
>what a full time CFI in a local flight school can expect to get paid?
>Just a WAG would be sufficient.
>
>Thanks,
>TBS

all the best -- Dan Ford
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[Robert M. Gary]

Cub Driver > wrote in message >...
> Locally, the *charge* is $25/hr. I don't know how much if any of that
> the airport keeps back.
>
> Most instructors locally don't charge for ground time, which often
> doubles the time they spend with a student. When I went for an XC
> flight, my instructor would drive up from MA, say 150 miles
> round-trip, and sit around the airport until I got back, for no pay.

I've never understood that. Around here we even charge student pilots
on their first solo when we stand next to the runway with our handheld
radio and a camera.

-Robert, CFI

[SD]

On 20 May 2004 08:45:48 -0700, (Robert M. Gary)
wrote:

>Cub Driver > wrote in message >...

>I've never understood that. Around here we even charge student pilots
>on their first solo when we stand next to the runway with our handheld
>radio and a camera.
>
>-Robert, CFI


I would have to agree with you Robert, The student is paying for my
time. I have to eat and pay my bills also, If I have to be there for
the student, then they get charged, just like any other profession
where services are required. If people only knew that I spend 12 or
more hours a day at the airport and usually get about 6 hours of pay
for that time then they would be a little more understanding.


Scott D.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Cub Driver wrote:
>
> Most instructors locally don't charge for ground time, which often
> doubles the time they spend with a student.

Wow! I sure paid for the ground instruction I received.

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

[HankPilot2002]

I charge a straight $25 an hour for flight or ground and I still am cheaper
than most local CFI's. I have CFI buddies who charge between $35 - $45 an hour
and are turning students away.

Taught my first Garmin 430 seminar last night (freebie) and picked up a couple
of new students there.

Now to add an MEI.......

Hank

[gatt]

"SD" <c o f l y i n g @ p c i s y s d o t n e t> wrote in message

> I would have to agree with you Robert, The student is paying for my
> time. I have to eat and pay my bills also,

My instructor charges strictly off the Hobbes time to the point where I've
actually insisted on paying her more after a half-hour ground briefing
before the flight. (IFR) Other instructors charge the flat $35/hr
whether it's ground or air instruction, and while I've had instructors who
charge a lesser fee for ground time, I don't mind paying it 'cause I know
what their time is worth.

> If people only knew that I spend 12 or
> more hours a day at the airport and usually get about 6 hours of pay
> for that time then they would be a little more understanding.

To me it's a screaming shame that the people who are teaching skills
absolutely necessary to a young pilot's career AND SURVIVAL would make more
money hawking fuses at Radio Shack. Supply and demand is truly the law of
the land.

-c

[NW_PILOT]

"It is the Job that you have chosen deal with it." That's what I tell
people that complain about salary jobs that have to work longer than 40
hours a week. This is America we can chouse our place of employment and our
field of work but the sad this is most complain about it.



"SD" <c o f l y i n g @ p c i s y s d o t n e t> wrote in message
...
> On 20 May 2004 08:45:48 -0700, (Robert M. Gary)
> wrote:
>
> >Cub Driver > wrote in message
>...
>
> >I've never understood that. Around here we even charge student pilots
> >on their first solo when we stand next to the runway with our handheld
> >radio and a camera.
> >
> >-Robert, CFI
>
>
> I would have to agree with you Robert, The student is paying for my
> time. I have to eat and pay my bills also, If I have to be there for
> the student, then they get charged, just like any other profession
> where services are required. If people only knew that I spend 12 or
> more hours a day at the airport and usually get about 6 hours of pay
> for that time then they would be a little more understanding.
>
>
> Scott D.

[SD]

On Thu, 20 May 2004 16:29:31 -0700, "NW_PILOT" >
wrote:

>"It is the Job that you have chosen deal with it." That's what I tell
>people that complain about salary jobs that have to work longer than 40
>hours a week. This is America we can chouse our place of employment and our
>field of work but the sad this is most complain about it.
>
>
>
You did not hear me complaining about it at all, I was just stating
the facts of the case. I actually love teaching and I am not looking
for a airline job, I fly part time for a company also that supplements
my needs as well as having a "understanding" wife that has a very well
paying job.

And to go along the lines of thinking that you have taken.... If you
cant stand the cost of learning how to fly and what I charge, deal
with it move along please, I have more than enough students then to
hear about someone complaining about paying for ground time.

Scott D.
>

[Cub Driver]

On 20 May 2004 08:45:48 -0700, (Robert M. Gary)
wrote:

>I've never understood that. Around here we even charge student pilots
>on their first solo when we stand next to the runway with our handheld
>radio and a camera.

That seems fair to me. But I had only one instructor, for about three
months, who charged me for the work he did on the ground (and he
didn't do it to begin with).


all the best -- Dan Ford
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[Cub Driver]

>Wow! I sure paid for the ground instruction I received.
>

It's not a universal practice even in New Jersey. I flew for three
days last year with Damian Delgaizo at Andover Flight Academy
(whatever) and he did at least half an hour of chalkwork with me on
each of the days, plus may a quarter of an hour debriefing. I paid on
the Hobbs. Of course it was a fair bunch of change ($150/hr) ) so
perhaps the ground time was already factored in.

It was a great experience, by the way.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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[C J Campbell]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
>
> Locally, the *charge* is $25/hr. I don't know how much if any of that
> the airport keeps back.
>
> Most instructors locally don't charge for ground time

Your local instructors are pimps.

[The Black Sheep]

On Thu, 20 May 2004 16:29:31 -0700, NW_PILOT wrote:
> "It is the Job that you have chosen deal with it." That's what I tell
> people that complain about salary jobs that have to work longer than 40
> hours a week. This is America we can chouse our place of employment and our
> field of work but the sad this is most complain about it.

You're half right. We get to choose the field of work we would like
to be employed in... But our place of employment is often more about
what's available than what we would like.

TBS

[Cub Driver]

On Fri, 21 May 2004 07:50:57 -0700, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:

>Your local instructors are pimps.

And you are a fool who evidently doesn't even know the meaning of
"pimp".

Your nastiness has been grating on me for some time, C.J. But now that
I read this statement, I realize that you are not only nasty but
potentially dangerous. Into the kill-file with you!

all the best -- Dan Ford
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On 22-May-2004, Cub Driver > wrote:

> X-Received-Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 05:23:24 EDT (news1.east.cox.net)
>
> On Fri, 21 May 2004 07:50:57 -0700, "C J Campbell"
> > wrote:
>
> >Your local instructors are pimps.
>
> And you are a fool who evidently doesn't even know the meaning of
> "pimp".
>
> Your nastiness has been grating on me for some time, C.J. But now that
> I read this statement, I realize that you are not only nasty but
> potentially dangerous. Into the kill-file with you!
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford
> email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)
>
> The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
> The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
> Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org

I also felt judging a man by what he charges per hour is no way to judge a
person.
Perhaps CJ has dealt mostly with pimps.

Les

[C J Campbell]

And I feel that instructors who don't charge for their time hurt other
instructors.

[The Weiss Family]

My CFI served on both the french and U.S. air forces. He was then a
commercial airline pilot.
He's also a record-holding glider pilot.
I almost died when he wanted $50/hr.
I was used to $30/hr in CA.

40hrs later, I'm happy to pay $50/hr.
He's 70 years old and tough as nails.
He works 7 days a week, 12hrs a day.
He has a hernia, but still won't let me help him pull the plane out of the
hangar.
He has over 20000hrs and over 600hrs dual RECEIVED.

The man is a treasure trove of knowledge and experience, and a hell of a
nice guy to boot.
It kind of makes me sad, though, to see him working so hard at such an age.

My personal feeling is that you should pay your instructor what he's worth,
not what the going rate is.
My instructor in CA was barely worth the $30/hr. I think he was just trying
to log hours.
Roger Hivert is worth every penny of the $50/hr I pay him.

Just my 2 cents!

Adam

"The Black Sheep" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> Can anyone tell me what a typical CFI gets paid? More specifically,
> what a full time CFI in a local flight school can expect to get paid?
> Just a WAG would be sufficient.
>
> Thanks,
> TBS
> --
> The Black Sheep

[Paul Sengupta]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> And I feel that instructors who don't charge for their time hurt other
> instructors.

I would guess that me fixing friends' PCs hurts other computer
techs. Or fixing my car or friends' cars hurts motor mechanics.
Such is life. :-)

Paul

[Richard Kaplan]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...>

>And I feel that instructors who don't charge for their time hurt other
> instructors.

So are volunteer fire fighters hurting paid firefighters? Are corporate
interns also "pimps?"

It is a free market CJ.

Instructors who offer their services for free are likely either very new
entrants to the field or retired CFIs who really enjoy instructing. I see
no problem with either group instructing for free.

If you wish to make instructing a career, find a niche which these
instructors cannot fill -- then you can get get paid whatever the market
determines you are worth.


--------------------
Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

[Richard Kaplan]

"Ross Younger" > wrote in message
...>

> and his ticket would get pulled if you screwed up. My club charge full
> rate (GBP 20/hour) for instructor time "supervising" student solos.


But he was describing a student cross-country flight, which is not a
directly-supervised flight as in a solo around the pattern.

Why would the instructor need to stay at the airport for a student doing a
solo cross-country. The instructor should supervise flight planning and
weather analysis and then just be available by telephone.

I even did an overnight trip to visit a friend during one of my student solo
cross-countries; my instructor was available to discuss weather or other
issues.


--------------------
Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com