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Chad Irby

May 28th 04, 01:35 AM

In article >,
"HECTOP" > wrote:

> Oh, BUFF!
>
> http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s

Damn.

You know you're into the edges when your "scale model" plane is heavier
than some legal *piloted* flying machines.

(Some guy built a C-130 on about the same scale, which would do LAPES or
paradrops...)

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HECTOP

May 28th 04, 02:05 AM

"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
m...
>> http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s
> You know you're into the edges when your "scale model" plane is heavier
> than some legal *piloted* flying machines.

my neighbor, a B-52 Desert Storm veteran went berzerk when he saw this! :-)

HECTOP
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HECTOP

May 28th 04, 02:19 AM

"Peter Gottlieb" > wrote in message
> Incredible.

they even have an An-225!

http://www.rcgroups.com/articles/ezonemag/2000/feb/aspach2/aspach2.htm#An-225

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Marc Reeve

May 28th 04, 02:22 AM

Chad Irby > wrote:
> In article >,
> "HECTOP" > wrote:
>
> > Oh, BUFF!
> >
> > http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s
>
> Damn.
>
> You know you're into the edges when your "scale model" plane is heavier
> than some legal *piloted* flying machines.
>
> (Some guy built a C-130 on about the same scale, which would do LAPES or
> paradrops...)

Very nice. My only question is... will it drop anything?
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HECTOP

May 28th 04, 02:54 AM

"Marc Reeve" > wrote in message
> Very nice. My only question is... will it drop anything?

I'm sure it'll scare the hell out of Vietcong midgets

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Chad Irby

May 28th 04, 03:03 AM

In article >,
(Marc Reeve) wrote:

> Chad Irby > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "HECTOP" > wrote:
> >
> > > Oh, BUFF!
> > >
> > > http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s
> >
> > Damn.
> >
> > You know you're into the edges when your "scale model" plane is heavier
> > than some legal *piloted* flying machines.
> >
> > (Some guy built a C-130 on about the same scale, which would do LAPES or
> > paradrops...)
>
> Very nice. My only question is... will it drop anything?

The dump mechanism in the back would toss out pretty much anything up to
a shoebox size (they had a dummy package with a parachute extractor
attached), and the "paratroop" dropper would push out whatever fit in
the conveyor belt (toy paratroops, of course).

*Way* cool.

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Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

G.R. Patterson III

May 28th 04, 03:50 AM

HECTOP wrote:
>
> Oh, BUFF!

Neat! I want to use those engines for a scale ME-262.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

HECTOP

May 28th 04, 04:07 AM

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
> Neat! I want to use those engines for a scale ME-262.

you can buy a 737-100 from Mojave, slap a cockpit on top and there ya go, a
SCALE ME-262 ;-)

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Marty

May 28th 04, 04:38 AM

HECTOP

May 28th 04, 04:59 AM

"Marty" > wrote
> Thanks for sharing!

Since this thread hasn't disintegrated (yet?) into a flame war over some
irrelevant nitpicking, I consider it a success! ;-)

HECTOP
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Buff5200

May 28th 04, 05:07 AM

1. Does this thing qualify for Light Sport Aircraft rules?

2. Homeland Security is going to have Kittens when they see this.
They are already trying to shut down model rockets as a threat
to our nation's airways.

HECTOP wrote:

>Oh, BUFF!
>
>http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s
>
>
>HECTOP
>PP-ASEL-IA
>http://www.maxho.com
>maxho_at_maxho.com
>
>
>
>

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

May 28th 04, 01:08 PM

On Fri, 28 May 2004 00:07:45 -0400, Buff5200 > wrote:

>1. Does this thing qualify for Light Sport Aircraft rules?

It's based in Britain, I believe. You'll have to consult their
bureaucracy. :o(

>2. Homeland Security is going to have Kittens when they see this.
> They are already trying to shut down model rockets as a threat
> to our nation's airways.

Agreed. I fly RC. The FBI has already visited one of the Muslim
members of my club to see why he was buying hydrochloric
acid in large quantities--he was anodizing some of his engine
parts. He answered the door wearing one of his nuclear
shirts--he's a physicist who works for a local university reactor.
:-O

Marty

William W. Plummer

May 28th 04, 06:35 PM

"Marc Reeve" > wrote in message
. ..
> Chad Irby > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "HECTOP" > wrote:
> >
> > > Oh, BUFF!
> > >
> > > http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s
> >
> > Damn.
> >
> > You know you're into the edges when your "scale model" plane is heavier
> > than some legal *piloted* flying machines.
> >
> > (Some guy built a C-130 on about the same scale, which would do LAPES or
> > paradrops...)
>
> Very nice. My only question is... will it drop anything?

If you tell me their next project is a scale MOAB, I'm going to be scared.

Marc Reeve

May 28th 04, 07:45 PM

William W. Plummer > wrote:
> "Marc Reeve" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Chad Irby > wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > "HECTOP" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh, BUFF!
> > > >
> > > > http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s
> > >
> > > Damn.
> > >
> > > You know you're into the edges when your "scale model" plane is heavier
> > > than some legal *piloted* flying machines.
> > >
> > > (Some guy built a C-130 on about the same scale, which would do LAPES or
> > > paradrops...)
> >
> > Very nice. My only question is... will it drop anything?
>
> If you tell me their next project is a scale MOAB, I'm going to be scared.

MOAB's too big for a BUFF's bomb bay, isn't it?

Some friends of mine have, for years, been holding an informal "Siege
Engine Competition" to see how far one may propel a standard
twelve-ounce beer can. I idly suggested once that one ought to build a
tenth-scale B-52 and load it with a couple cases. Not being much of a
mathemetician, I have no idea what the payload of a tenth-scale BUFF
would be, though.

Instead of an "Arc Light" strike, it'd be "Bud Light"...
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Robert M. Gary

May 28th 04, 08:47 PM

"HECTOP" > wrote in message >...
> Oh, BUFF!
>
> http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s

Could anyone see the videos? It looks like they were removed from the server.

HECTOP

May 28th 04, 08:55 PM

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> Could anyone see the videos? It looks like they were removed from the
> server.

yeah, looks like we've done them no favor by overpromoting their website :-)

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Bob Chilcoat

May 28th 04, 09:21 PM

How dare you post something about an airplane you can't get inside and fly!
Shame, Shame, Shame. :-)

Actually, I want to know how they keep that tool cart in place with 8
engines running. IIRC, those AMT engines produce something like 35-70 lb of
thrust each!

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love
America

"HECTOP" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Marty" > wrote
> > Thanks for sharing!
>
> Since this thread hasn't disintegrated (yet?) into a flame war over some
> irrelevant nitpicking, I consider it a success! ;-)
>
> HECTOP
> PP-ASEL-IA
> http://www.maxho.com
> maxho_at_maxho.com
>
>

HECTOP

May 28th 04, 09:38 PM

"Bob Chilcoat" > wrote in message >
> Actually, I want to know how they keep that tool cart in place with 8
> engines running. IIRC, those AMT engines produce something like 35-70 lb
> of
> thrust each!

there's the company that makes'em: http://www.wren-turbines.com/
the HTML is screwed up, but if you'll look at the source, you can still pull
out links to the rest of the site like:
http://www.wren-turbines.com/specifi.htm

HECTOP
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John Keeney

May 29th 04, 07:19 AM

"Marc Reeve" > wrote in message
.. .
> William W. Plummer > wrote:
> > "Marc Reeve" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > Chad Irby > wrote:
> > > > In article >,
> > > > "HECTOP" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Oh, BUFF!
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s
> > > >
> > > > Damn.
> > > >
> > > > You know you're into the edges when your "scale model" plane is
heavier
> > > > than some legal *piloted* flying machines.
> > > >
> > > > (Some guy built a C-130 on about the same scale, which would do
LAPES or
> > > > paradrops...)
> > >
> > > Very nice. My only question is... will it drop anything?
> >
> > If you tell me their next project is a scale MOAB, I'm going to be
scared.
>
> MOAB's too big for a BUFF's bomb bay, isn't it?

I suspect so, however, one can be slung under the wing pylon.

Mike Bandor

May 29th 04, 03:20 PM

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> "HECTOP" > wrote in message
>...
> > Oh, BUFF!
> >
> > http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s
>
> Could anyone see the videos? It looks like they were removed from the
server.

Go out to the engine manufacturers website, as they also have the videos:
www.wren-turbines.com. They are in the Latest News section.

Mike

--
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Paul Tomblin

May 29th 04, 03:27 PM

In a previous article, (Robert M. Gary) said:
>"HECTOP" > wrote in message
>...
>> Oh, BUFF!
>>
>> http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s
>
>Could anyone see the videos? It looks like they were removed from the server.

They were slashdotted yesterday. Have a look at
http://freecache.org/http://www.wren-turbines.com/B52_Test1.wmv
http://freecache.org/http://www.wren-turbines.com/B52%20008.wmv
http://freecache.org/http://www.wren-turbines.com/B52%20006.wmv

In other Slashdot news, today they managed to slashdot Kyler Laird's web
site.

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Buff5200

May 30th 04, 05:52 AM

John Keeney wrote:

>
>
>
>
>>MOAB's too big for a BUFF's bomb bay, isn't it?
>>
>>
At Wri-Pat they have a BUFF and a mockup MOAB on display.

1. I'm not sure about W&B, but the bomb bays of the BUFF will easily
fit 4 MOAB's. Remember, BUFF was designed in the early 50's to
accommodate the early H-bombs. And they were HUGH.

2. MOAB is designed for pallet extraction. Cannot be hung on
bomb racks.

>
>

Steven P. McNicoll

May 30th 04, 06:08 AM

"Buff5200" > wrote in message
...
>
> 1. I'm not sure about W&B, but the bomb bays of the BUFF will easily
> fit 4 MOAB's. Remember, BUFF was designed in the early 50's to
> accommodate the early H-bombs. And they were HUGH.
>

I'm familiar with BUFF, MOAB, and W&B, but what is HUGH?

John Keeney

May 30th 04, 07:31 AM

"Buff5200" > wrote in message
...
>
> At Wri-Pat they have a BUFF and a mockup MOAB on display.
>
> 1. I'm not sure about W&B, but the bomb bays of the BUFF will easily
> fit 4 MOAB's. Remember, BUFF was designed in the early 50's to
> accommodate the early H-bombs. And they were HUGH.
>
> 2. MOAB is designed for pallet extraction. Cannot be hung on
> bomb racks.

What I could quickly find calls the MOAB 30 feet long
http://www.af.mil/mediacenter/pressrelease.asp?prID=123006812
and the BUFF bomb bay 28 feet long
http://www.vectorsite.net/avb52_1.html

Paul Tomblin

May 30th 04, 02:20 PM

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" > said:
>"Buff5200" > wrote in message
...
>> 1. I'm not sure about W&B, but the bomb bays of the BUFF will easily
>> fit 4 MOAB's. Remember, BUFF was designed in the early 50's to
>> accommodate the early H-bombs. And they were HUGH.
>I'm familiar with BUFF, MOAB, and W&B, but what is HUGH?

He was that Borg who got an identity, remember?

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Les Matheson

May 30th 04, 04:10 PM

I doubt they have a MOAB, as the only one on display was just put up at
Eglin Armament Museum last week. They might have a BLU-82.
--
Les
F-4C(WW),D,E,G(WW)/AC-130A/MC-130E EWO (ret)

"Buff5200" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> John Keeney wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>MOAB's too big for a BUFF's bomb bay, isn't it?
> >>
> >>
> At Wri-Pat they have a BUFF and a mockup MOAB on display.
>
> 1. I'm not sure about W&B, but the bomb bays of the BUFF will easily
> fit 4 MOAB's. Remember, BUFF was designed in the early 50's to
> accommodate the early H-bombs. And they were HUGH.
>
> 2. MOAB is designed for pallet extraction. Cannot be hung on
> bomb racks.
>
> >
> >
>

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David CL Francis

May 30th 04, 10:34 PM

On Sat, 29 May 2004 at 14:20:41 in message
>, Mike Bandor
> wrote:

>Go out to the engine manufacturers website, as they also have the videos:
>www.wren-turbines.com. They are in the Latest News section.

Could you please indicate the full path as that page leads nowhere on my
machine? (No links are visible)
--
David CL Francis

Mike Bandor

May 31st 04, 01:26 AM

"David CL Francis" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 29 May 2004 at 14:20:41 in message
> >, Mike Bandor
> > wrote:
>
> >Go out to the engine manufacturers website, as they also have the videos:
> >www.wren-turbines.com. They are in the Latest News section.
>
> Could you please indicate the full path as that page leads nowhere on my
> machine? (No links are visible)
> --
> David CL Francis

David,

The links are the navigation at the top of the page. However, per your
request I've pasted the complete URL: http://www.wren-turbines.com/news.htm

Mike

David CL Francis

May 31st 04, 11:18 PM

On Mon, 31 May 2004 at 00:26:26 in message
>, Mike Bandor
> wrote:
>David,
>
> The links are the navigation at the top of the page. However, per your
>request I've pasted the complete URL: http://www.wren-turbines.com/news.htm
>
Thanks that is an awesome model. I know the site where they fly, I have
been to occasional meets there - but not for some time.

I did mange to see one video and the first take off was obviously from a
full sized airfield. The taxi did seem to be at the model airfield,
which does have a tarmac runway.
--
David CL Francis

J Beckman

June 1st 04, 01:41 AM

"HECTOP" > wrote in message
.. .
> Oh, BUFF!
>
> http://www.scalerchelis.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=2382&s
>
>
> HECTOP
> PP-ASEL-IA
> http://www.maxho.com
> maxho_at_maxho.com
>
>

Some of you may remember a specialty RC manufacturer named "Byron
Originals?"

They brought out some of the first (and finest) large/very large ducted fan
jets (F16/F15) and some fabulous warbirds as well.

They once built a demonstrator model of a B29 with, IIRC, a 30' wingspan
which weighed in excess of 400lbs.

It flew on 4 100cc engines and needed 3 people to control it:

1 for primary flight surfaces
1 for engine management
1 for "bells and whistles" (retracts, bomb bay, etc...)

I have videotape of it being flown at one of the last "fly ins" that Byron's
hosted prior to their going out of business a few years ago.

FWIW...

Jay Beckman
Student Pilot - KCHD
21.1 Hrs ... Nowhere to go but up!

Martin X. Moleski, SJ

June 1st 04, 04:28 AM

On Mon, 31 May 2004 17:41:55 -0700, "J Beckman" >
wrote:

> ... Some of you may remember a specialty RC manufacturer named "Byron
>Originals?"

>They once built a demonstrator model of a B29 with, IIRC, a 30' wingspan
>which weighed in excess of 400lbs. ...

This site says 500 pounds--with at least two crashes:
<http://www.rcwarbirds.com/videospage.htm>

Marty

Jay Beckman

June 1st 04, 07:43 AM

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 31 May 2004 17:41:55 -0700, "J Beckman" >
> wrote:
>
> > ... Some of you may remember a specialty RC manufacturer named "Byron
> >Originals?"
>
> >They once built a demonstrator model of a B29 with, IIRC, a 30' wingspan
> >which weighed in excess of 400lbs. ...
>
> This site says 500 pounds--with at least two crashes:
> <http://www.rcwarbirds.com/videospage.htm>
>
> Marty

That would be the one...

Thanks for clarifying.

Jay B

Billy Beck

June 1st 04, 06:58 PM

(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

(Robert M. Gary) said:

>>Could anyone see the videos? It looks like they were removed from the server.
>
>They were slashdotted yesterday. Have a look at
>http://freecache.org/http://www.wren-turbines.com/B52_Test1.wmv
>http://freecache.org/http://www.wren-turbines.com/B52%20008.wmv
>http://freecache.org/http://www.wren-turbines.com/B52%20006.wmv

There is a mirror of the viddies here --

http://www.readingfordummies.com/Permanent/mirrors/b52/

I'm downloading right now.

Billy

http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php

Billy Beck

June 1st 04, 07:02 PM

Billy Beck > wrote:

> There is a mirror of the viddies here --
>
>http://www.readingfordummies.com/Permanent/mirrors/b52/
>
> I'm downloading right now.

Holy *Christ*. That's just sensational.

I do love a kook. God bless those people.

Billy

http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php

Chad Irby

June 1st 04, 09:49 PM

In article >,
Billy Beck > wrote:

> Billy Beck > wrote:
>
> > There is a mirror of the viddies here --
> >
> >http://www.readingfordummies.com/Permanent/mirrors/b52/
> >
> > I'm downloading right now.
>
> Holy *Christ*. That's just sensational.
>
> I do love a kook. God bless those people.

Here's a *large* scale-model Hornet:

<http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/8634/hornet2.htm>

*cough*

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Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Mary Shafer

June 27th 04, 05:13 AM

On Fri, 28 May 2004 11:45:37 -0700, (Marc Reeve)
wrote:

> Some friends of mine have, for years, been holding an informal "Siege
> Engine Competition" to see how far one may propel a standard
> twelve-ounce beer can. I idly suggested once that one ought to build a
> tenth-scale B-52 and load it with a couple cases. Not being much of a
> mathemetician, I have no idea what the payload of a tenth-scale BUFF
> would be, though.
>
> Instead of an "Arc Light" strike, it'd be "Bud Light"...

I think it's a war crime to use Bud Light. Something about chemical
warfare maybe.

Mary

--
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