A-380 taking shape

[HECTOP]

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[james_anatidae]

"HECTOP" > wrote in message
.. .
> http://www.airliners.net/open.file/587283/M
>
>
This is the one that ain't gonna fly right? Seems odd to me that they'd
spend all that money to build a plane that will never leave the ground. Why
couldn't a prototype meant to eventually take-off do the ground testing as
well? Though it will make a nice museum piece. Probably get parked in
front of the factory.

[HECTOP]

"james_anatidae" > wrote in message
> This is the one that ain't gonna fly right? Seems odd to me that they'd
> spend all that money to build a plane that will never leave the ground.

They build'em for static testing on the ground and abuse them unkindly, pull
wings till they snap (there was a program about 777 testing on Discovery
Channel), shake'em/bake'em, all kinds of bad things, so they don't happen to
real planes. By the time they're done with that airframe, it'll be in such a
poor shape, you'd think twice about trying to tow it out of the hangar, so
forget about taking to the air.

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[Zaza]

Will it go under the Gatwick bridge?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/3756111.stm

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[G Farris]

They're building huge parts in different locations throughout France and
Europe, and there have been some complaints because they have to build new
roads to transport the parts. The complmaints center on trees and other
environmental features being disturbed by the large, new roads. No one yet is
complaining about the cost (to the taxpayers) of the new infrastructure.

This is called "partnership" - the taxpayers pay the costs, and the partners
take the profits!

G Faris

[S Green]

"G Farris" > wrote in message
...
> They're building huge parts in different locations throughout France and
> Europe, and there have been some complaints because they have to build new
> roads to transport the parts. The complmaints center on trees and other
> environmental features being disturbed by the large, new roads. No one yet
is
> complaining about the cost (to the taxpayers) of the new infrastructure.
>
> This is called "partnership" - the taxpayers pay the costs, and the
partners
> take the profits!
>
> G Faris
>
Sounds like Boeing - taxpayer being the biggest "investor"

[nobody]

Zaza wrote:
>
> Will it go under the Gatwick bridge?
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/3756111.stm

Wow ! I can imagine the pictures one could take from the bridge as a 747
passes underneath.

I assume that security issues will force security agents to be stationed on
the bridge to prevent anyone from staying on bridge to take pictures.

[S Green]

"nobody" > wrote in message
s.com...
> Zaza wrote:
> >
> > Will it go under the Gatwick bridge?
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/3756111.stm
>
> Wow ! I can imagine the pictures one could take from the bridge as a 747
> passes underneath.
>
> I assume that security issues will force security agents to be stationed
on
> the bridge to prevent anyone from staying on bridge to take pictures.

The bridge is airside anyway so to get there you will need to be a passenger
or staff member when all security checks will have been gone through.

In UK only passengers get to go to the gate. Friends etc say their goodbyes
at the check in. It keeps the congestion down and reduces the numbers to be
checked by security.

[Thomas Borchert]

G,

> the taxpayers pay the costs, and the partners
> take the profits!
>

Wanna talk about where Boeing is building parts and how far they get
carried? Same thing, basically. The 7E7 will have wings from Japan...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Quantum Foam Guy]

"G Farris" > wrote in message
...
> They're building huge parts in different locations throughout France and
> Europe, and there have been some complaints because they have to build new
> roads to transport the parts. The complmaints center on trees and other
> environmental features being disturbed by the large, new roads. No one yet
is
> complaining about the cost (to the taxpayers) of the new infrastructure.
>
> This is called "partnership" - the taxpayers pay the costs, and the
partners
> take the profits!

No worries. Like in the US, everything in Europe will be made in China soon.

[leslie]

Quantum Foam Guy ) wrote:
:
: No worries. Like in the US, everything in Europe will be made in
: China soon.
:

Here's an example of what Europe has to look forward to...

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/2598944
HoustonChronicle.com - Chinese coffins poised to take share from U.S.

"May 29, 2004, 6:38PM
Chinese coffins poised to take share from U.S.

By ANUPAMA CHANDRASEKARAN
Reuters News Service

NEW YORK Cheap toys, clothing, electronics, furniture now even
coffins: Chinese exporters are serving American consumers from cradle
to grave. -

Low-priced caskets made in China still represent a small portion of
the U.S. market but are viewed as a serious threat by the domestic
industry which, beyond a few major players, is highly fragmented.

U.S. casket makers, affected by rising lumber and steel prices and
sales declining with the death rate, can ill afford a fresh wave of
low-cost competitors.

"Higher commodity costs, falling death rates and imports from China
are going to make it difficult for U.S. casket makers to compete,"
said John Connors, business development manager of H.B. Maynard & Co,
a consultant to some casket companies.

Chinese-made steel caskets, priced 30 percent to 50 percent below a
similar quality American-made product, have been trickling in since
2001 via South Carolina-based automotive repair parts importer
Excalibur Tool & Equipment.

Excalibur's president, Troy Shockley, got into coffin-importing by
chance. While on a visit to China to buy repair parts, he saw a
business opportunity and took it..."


--Jerry Leslie
Note: is invalid for email

[~~ Ray ~~]

Hey its not China's fault....... end of the day its all down to money.
Companies want to cut cost, so who, where ever its cheaper they will move
the operations to where ever. Also its down to goverment problem too, if
they cant get a grant, tax deduction etc etc....... why stay when its
cheaper to produce, transport and import it and still have room to make a
profit a tidy profit.

Look at the british army they dont even buy stuff from the the UK

Wembly..... who demolished and who is building it

if the economy is stable in russia, im sure companies would setup operations
there. so China is not at fault, its the people that makes the decisions.
Or look at it this way, if you had the choice of buying two identical items
one labelled made in the UK and one made in China and there was a price
difference of £10 - £1,000 your telling me you would buy the more expensive
one just because it was made in the UK.

Consumers go for the best bargain, companies go and squeeze every single
penny out of you, while the goverment automatically slap on 17.5%

Another thing these goverment agencies that give out tenders for companies
to make certain thins, these companies give out estimates etc etc. when the
company is finally selected, how come they all seem to add on extra or
double. Isnt a quote a quote....... where all possible senarios been
considered, i mean i'd be buggered if i took my car to a garage and quoted
me £500 to fix and when its dont they said due to unforseen circumstances
and cost its now £1000.

sounds like most companies doing jobs for the goverment seen to be
creaming/milking the money from the goverment.

there i feel better now, finally off my chest, sorry about the none related
topic

"Quantum Foam Guy" > wrote in message
...

"G Farris" > wrote in message
...
> They're building huge parts in different locations throughout France and
> Europe, and there have been some complaints because they have to build new
> roads to transport the parts. The complmaints center on trees and other
> environmental features being disturbed by the large, new roads. No one yet
is
> complaining about the cost (to the taxpayers) of the new infrastructure.
>
> This is called "partnership" - the taxpayers pay the costs, and the
partners
> take the profits!

No worries. Like in the US, everything in Europe will be made in China soon.

[Ardna]

>> the taxpayers pay the costs

You mean Boeing doesn't get taxpayers money ? What about all those
'special' government contracts when the pentagon is paying well over the
odds, for example the latest air tanker contract.

At least Airbus are upfront about taking taxpayers cash.

>> throughout France and Europe

And by the way, France is part of Europe, why single out France ?

Ardna



"Quantum Foam Guy" > wrote in message
...
>
> "G Farris" > wrote in message
> ...
> > They're building huge parts in different locations throughout France and
> > Europe, and there have been some complaints because they have to build
new
> > roads to transport the parts. The complmaints center on trees and other
> > environmental features being disturbed by the large, new roads. No one
yet
> is
> > complaining about the cost (to the taxpayers) of the new infrastructure.
> >
> > This is called "partnership" - the taxpayers pay the costs, and the
> partners
> > take the profits!
>
> No worries. Like in the US, everything in Europe will be made in China
soon.
>
>

[Stefan]

Ardna wrote:

>>> throughout France and Europe

> And by the way, France is part of Europe, why single out France ?

I didn't write it, but I think I can answer anyway:

The Airbus is assembled in Toulouse, France. So it makes absolutely
sense to say that the parts are produced throughout France, and (even)
Europe.

Stefan

[Nik]

"Stefan" > wrote in message
...
> Ardna wrote:
>
> >>> throughout France and Europe
>
> > And by the way, France is part of Europe, why single out France ?
>
> I didn't write it, but I think I can answer anyway:
>
> The Airbus is assembled in Toulouse, France. So it makes absolutely
> sense to say that the parts are produced throughout France, and (even)
> Europe.
>
> Stefan
>

Most of the plane is actually produced outside France. A French company only
contributed a part of the company. And yes - an Airbus is to a large extent
a Mercedes as Daimler Aerospace contributed about quite a bit to Airbus.

Nik

[Thomas Borchert]

Stefan,

> The Airbus is assembled in Toulouse, France.
>

Hmm. The French may like to think so, but with so many major parts of
the construction and even customer delivery happening in other
countries, I wouldn't say it is "assembled" in France.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[S Green]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Stefan,
>
> > The Airbus is assembled in Toulouse, France.
> >
>
> Hmm. The French may like to think so, but with so many major parts of
> the construction and even customer delivery happening in other
> countries, I wouldn't say it is "assembled" in France.

The wings are made in England

[nobody]

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> Hmm. The French may like to think so, but with so many major parts of
> the construction and even customer delivery happening in other
> countries, I wouldn't say it is "assembled" in France.

In the case of the 380, a large portion of the 380 is done in Germany. There
were lots of outcries by environmentalists when Airbus started work on a large
hangar near a swamp. And there are interesting logistical problems due to
transporting such large pieces from Germany to Toulouse.

Also, the plane will be flown from toulouse to germany for final finishing
work (interiors, paint etc).

[Stefan]

Thomas Borchert wrote:

>>The Airbus is assembled in Toulouse, France.

> Hmm. The French may like to think so, but with so many major parts of
> the construction and even customer delivery happening in other
> countries, I wouldn't say it is "assembled" in France.

Pfff... When there isn't a problem, we will create one. Of course the
parts are assembled all over Europe, but this doesn't change the fact
that the plane is assembled in Toulouse.

Stefan

[HECTOP]

"Stefan" > wrote in message
> that the plane is assembled in Toulouse.

Of course, they've got nothing Toulouse.

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[Geoff Glave]

> > Will it go under the Gatwick bridge?
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/3756111.stm
>
> Wow ! I can imagine the pictures one could take from the bridge as a 747
> passes underneath.
>
> I assume that security issues will force security agents to be stationed on
> the bridge to prevent anyone from staying on bridge to take pictures.

There's a bridge like this at DEN. According to
<http://www.flydenver.com/> "it's 65 feet long, weighs 3,300 tons and
the bottom of the bridge is 45.61 feet above the taxiway pavement at
the highest point of its arc." You can see some pictures of it here:

<http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/PLANE-DIA.html>

(scroll down to "Lorenzo's Bridge.")

I've lingered on the bridge for 10-15 minutes as recently as April 04.
No one cared.

Cheers,
Geoff Glave
Vancouver, Canada

[Thomas Borchert]

Nobody,

I know. I live in Hamburg, the city by that swamp (which is a river
march land, really).

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)