Anyone got an FCC radio license

[Robert M. Gary]

Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
it is).
Has anyone ever heard of anyone being asked for it in Canada?

I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
Mexico.

-Robert

[Canada Mickey]

If stoped for a Ramp check up here, you will be asked for your radio lic.
And yes we know what an FCC radio lic is ;-)

Have a good flight

Richard


"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
> down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
> ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
> it is).
> Has anyone ever heard of anyone being asked for it in Canada?
>
> I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
> to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
> Mexico.
>
> -Robert

[G.R. Patterson III]

"Robert M. Gary" wrote:
>
> Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license?

Which one? If you mean the one for an aircraft, I have one for my Maule. If you mean
the one for the pilot, I do not.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

[C J Campbell]

I would worry considerably less about it than in Mexico. The only time in
recent history that the rule was ever enforced was when a couple of pilots
crossed from Canada into the United States without filing a flight plan or
checking in with Customs. Naturally, they flew the book at them.

The Canadians never check for your radio license. It was the US that looked
for it.

[Dylan Smith]

In article >, Robert M. Gary wrote:
> Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
> down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
> ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
> it is).

I have an FCC radio license. No one has ever asked for it here either,
but flying clubs et al. often stress the point you need one, but have
only ever looked at my medical and pilot certificate.

> I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
> to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
> Mexico.

Sounds like it's gone up a bit! Mine was issued on 9/9/1999, and cost
$45.

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[Vigo]

is a radio license in the states a one time fee, if so I would say just fork
out the cash to cover your a**. what's $100 compared to the fine you could
possibly get when you get checked. I just think if the regs say you have to
have it, then you should have it.
"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
> down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
> ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
> it is).
> Has anyone ever heard of anyone being asked for it in Canada?
>
> I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
> to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
> Mexico.
>
> -Robert

[G.R. Patterson III]

Dylan Smith wrote:
>
> > I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
> > to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
> > Mexico.
>
> Sounds like it's gone up a bit! Mine was issued on 9/9/1999, and cost
> $45.

Interesting. Mine cost about $100 back in 1995. At the time, it was required in the
U.S.. The price had been raised about the first of that year, and they had extended
the license period to 10 years (so mine is good for about another year). Shortly
after I bought mine, they made the license optional, but I had not heard that they
reduced the cost at any time.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Vigo wrote:
>
> is a radio license in the states a one time fee, ...

It's good for ten years.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

[Harry Shin]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Vigo wrote:
> >
> > is a radio license in the states a one time fee, ...
>
> It's good for ten years.
>
> George Patterson
> None of us is as dumb as all of us.

Hmmm, mine says, "...is valid under Rules and Regulations of the Commission
and for the _lifetime_ of the holder..." (1971 FCC form 753-B)

Harry

[Dylan Smith]

In article >, G.R. Patterson III wrote:
>
>
> Dylan Smith wrote:
>>
>> > I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
>> > to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
>> > Mexico.
>>
>> Sounds like it's gone up a bit! Mine was issued on 9/9/1999, and cost
>> $45.
>
> Interesting. Mine cost about $100 back in 1995. At the time, it was required in the
> U.S..

We might be talking at cross purposes here; my FCC license is for me as
a radio operator (Restricted Radiotelephone License), you might be
thinking of the one for the plane itself.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Bill Denton]

Let me jump in here before things get too confused. Some of this stuff may
have changed, but I believe it's still valid.

There are two types of licenses involved: a Station license, and an Operator
license.

The Station license authorizes the use of the com transmitters in your
aircraft. But it only allows the radios themselves to be operated; it does
not license any person to operate them. The station license applies to
specific a transmitter(s).

The Operator license allows a person to operate various types of radios,
including aircraft com transmitters. (It also allows you to operate taxicab
radios so you can scrape up enough money to fly!) But the Operator license
is not restricted to aircraft radios, and it is not restricted to any
specific radio.

Again this may have changed, but IIRC, the Station license is issued for a
fixed period, I think it's five years, but it does have to be renewed
periodically.

But the Operator license is valid for the lifetime of the license holder,
and does not have to be renewed.

Hope that helps...


"Harry Shin" > wrote in message
...
>
> "G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Vigo wrote:
> > >
> > > is a radio license in the states a one time fee, ...
> >
> > It's good for ten years.
> >
> > George Patterson
> > None of us is as dumb as all of us.
>
> Hmmm, mine says, "...is valid under Rules and Regulations of the
Commission
> and for the _lifetime_ of the holder..." (1971 FCC form 753-B)
>
> Harry
>
>
>

[Cecil Chapman]

I had one for my CB radio back in the seventies,,, but pretty sure that
won't work now <grin>

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"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
> down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
> ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
> it is).
> Has anyone ever heard of anyone being asked for it in Canada?
>
> I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
> to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
> Mexico.
>
> -Robert

[Vigo]

if the operators license is for your lifetime then just pony up the cash and
stay legal. Whats $100 to cover your ass even if it's every 5 or 10 years,
your best to pay up
"Bill Denton" > wrote in message
...
> Let me jump in here before things get too confused. Some of this stuff may
> have changed, but I believe it's still valid.
>
> There are two types of licenses involved: a Station license, and an
Operator
> license.
>
> The Station license authorizes the use of the com transmitters in your
> aircraft. But it only allows the radios themselves to be operated; it does
> not license any person to operate them. The station license applies to
> specific a transmitter(s).
>
> The Operator license allows a person to operate various types of radios,
> including aircraft com transmitters. (It also allows you to operate
taxicab
> radios so you can scrape up enough money to fly!) But the Operator license
> is not restricted to aircraft radios, and it is not restricted to any
> specific radio.
>
> Again this may have changed, but IIRC, the Station license is issued for a
> fixed period, I think it's five years, but it does have to be renewed
> periodically.
>
> But the Operator license is valid for the lifetime of the license holder,
> and does not have to be renewed.
>
> Hope that helps...
>
>
> "Harry Shin" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > Vigo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > is a radio license in the states a one time fee, ...
> > >
> > > It's good for ten years.
> > >
> > > George Patterson
> > > None of us is as dumb as all of us.
> >
> > Hmmm, mine says, "...is valid under Rules and Regulations of the
> Commission
> > and for the _lifetime_ of the holder..." (1971 FCC form 753-B)
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[G.R. Patterson III]

Dylan Smith wrote:
>
> We might be talking at cross purposes here; my FCC license is for me as
> a radio operator (Restricted Radiotelephone License), you might be
> thinking of the one for the plane itself.

Yep.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

[zatatime]

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:39:36 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
> wrote:

>
>
>Vigo wrote:
>>
>> is a radio license in the states a one time fee, ...
>
>It's good for ten years.
>
>George Patterson
> None of us is as dumb as all of us.


I thought once they put a price on it, they removed the expiration. I
got mine free back in the 80s and IIRC it was only valid for 10 years.

More research to do at some point I guess....

z

[Jim Baker]

Same here and IIRC, it was free in 1970.

J B

"Harry Shin" > wrote in message
...
>
> "G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Vigo wrote:
> > >
> > > is a radio license in the states a one time fee, ...
> >
> > It's good for ten years.
> >
> > George Patterson
> > None of us is as dumb as all of us.
>
> Hmmm, mine says, "...is valid under Rules and Regulations of the
Commission
> and for the _lifetime_ of the holder..." (1971 FCC form 753-B)
>
> Harry
>
>
>

[Don Tuite]

Let me add this:

From the EAA: "The US and Canada have agreed not to require US or
Canadian pilots to have a restricted radio-telephone license or an
Aircraft Radio Station License."

That's from:

http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/operating/articles/US%20-%20Canada%20Border%20Crossing%20For%20Amateur-Built%20Aircraft.html

From AOPA: The AOPA/COPA Guide to Cross-Border Operations (United
States/Canada) - Arrival Requirements:

http://www.aopa.org/members/files/travel/canada/can02.html

"Aircraft Documentation

"Aircraft registration certificate (temporary "pink slip" registration
forms are not valid for international flights);
Aircraft airworthiness certificate (for aircraft with a C of A);
Aircraft operating limitations (including the "Standardized Validation
of a Special Airworthiness Certificate - Experimental, for the Purpose
of Operating a United States-Registered Amateur-Built Aircraft in
Canadian Airspace);
Weight and balance information;
FAA 337 form when the aircraft has been fitted with extra fuel tanks
in the baggage or passenger compartments."

"Licenses and Certificates

"Just because you are allowed to fly an aircraft in one country does
not mean that you can fly that same aircraft in another country!

"Licenses that meet ICAO standards, including all Private Pilot,
Commercial Pilot and Airline Transport Pilot Licenses (Canada) and
Certificates (U.S.) are valid to fly your aircraft on either side of
the border.

"Other permits and licenses are not necessarily valid on the other
side of the border. For example the Canadian Pilot Permit —
Recreational Aeroplanes is only valid when flying a Canadian
ultralight in the U.S. under the blanket authority document. The Pilot
Permit — Ultralight Aeroplanes is not valid for flying in the U.S.,
unless you are flying a Canadian Ultralight and have an instructor
rating and two hours of cross country time, as required in the blanket
authority. Likewise U.S. Recreational Pilot Certificates are not valid
in Canada. Student Pilot Permits are not valid outside the issuing
country."

Nothing about an FCC license. Note that COPA is a party to the
document.

Don

[NW_PILOT]

So if the holder died and was resuscitated dose he have to get a new one?

"Bill Denton" > wrote in message
...
> Let me jump in here before things get too confused. Some of this stuff may
> have changed, but I believe it's still valid.
>
> There are two types of licenses involved: a Station license, and an
Operator
> license.
>
> The Station license authorizes the use of the com transmitters in your
> aircraft. But it only allows the radios themselves to be operated; it does
> not license any person to operate them. The station license applies to
> specific a transmitter(s).
>
> The Operator license allows a person to operate various types of radios,
> including aircraft com transmitters. (It also allows you to operate
taxicab
> radios so you can scrape up enough money to fly!) But the Operator license
> is not restricted to aircraft radios, and it is not restricted to any
> specific radio.
>
> Again this may have changed, but IIRC, the Station license is issued for a
> fixed period, I think it's five years, but it does have to be renewed
> periodically.
>
> But the Operator license is valid for the lifetime of the license holder,
> and does not have to be renewed.
>
> Hope that helps...
>
>
> "Harry Shin" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > Vigo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > is a radio license in the states a one time fee, ...
> > >
> > > It's good for ten years.
> > >
> > > George Patterson
> > > None of us is as dumb as all of us.
> >
> > Hmmm, mine says, "...is valid under Rules and Regulations of the
> Commission
> > and for the _lifetime_ of the holder..." (1971 FCC form 753-B)
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Jerry Kurata]

I have one, but have never been asked to see it either in the US, Canada, or
Mexico.


"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
> down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
> ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
> it is).
> Has anyone ever heard of anyone being asked for it in Canada?
>
> I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
> to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
> Mexico.
>
> -Robert

[Jens Krueger]

Robert M. Gary > wrote:

> Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
> down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
> ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
> it is).
> Has anyone ever heard of anyone being asked for it in Canada?

Not Canada, but I was ramped last week in FXE on my way to the Bahamas
an was asked for it.

By the way, you can apply for it online on the FCC website, more infos
at <http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/rp.html>

Jens

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[Martin Hotze]

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:47:09 GMT, zatatime wrote:

>
>I thought once they put a price on it, they removed the expiration. I
>got mine free back in the 80s and IIRC it was only valid for 10 years.
>
>More research to do at some point I guess....

http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html
download form 605 (605 replaced form 755)
http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form605/605.html

(and grab form 159 for cc payment)

hmmm. well, still no info for how long it is valid ...

hth, hand, #m
--
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[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:31:51 -0700, Jerry Kurata wrote:

>I have one, but have never been asked to see it either in the US, Canada, or
>Mexico.

have an accident abroad, have your insurance company show you all
_required_ papers. don't have a radio operator permit. what _could_ happen
now?

#m

--
Martin!!! Maaaaartiiiin!!! Can you please flame this guy for me?
'HECTOP' in rec.aviation.piloting

[Jay Beckman]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
> down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
> ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
> it is).
> Has anyone ever heard of anyone being asked for it in Canada?
>
> I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
> to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
> Mexico.
>
> -Robert

I have my 3rd class radio/telephone permit, which I had to get to be a DJ on
the college radio station back in 1980...

Same thing?

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
23.8 Hrs

PS...Anyone here have their FCC "First Phone?" (and I'm not talking about a
Nokia...)

[Bill Zaleski]

I had a "first phone" for about 25 years, until they renewed it and
called it a "general" ticket, good for life. Yes, a 3rd class
suffices for the permit.


On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:28:46 -0700, "Jay Beckman" >
wrote:

>"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
>> Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
>> down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
>> ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
>> it is).
>> Has anyone ever heard of anyone being asked for it in Canada?
>>
>> I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
>> to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
>> Mexico.
>>
>> -Robert
>
>I have my 3rd class radio/telephone permit, which I had to get to be a DJ on
>the college radio station back in 1980...
>
>Same thing?
>
>Jay Beckman
>Chandler, AZ
>23.8 Hrs
>
>PS...Anyone here have their FCC "First Phone?" (and I'm not talking about a
>Nokia...)
>

[Jay Beckman]

"Bill Zaleski" > wrote in message
...
> I had a "first phone" for about 25 years, until they renewed it and
> called it a "general" ticket, good for life. Yes, a 3rd class
> suffices for the permit.
>
>

Hi Bill,

I figured the FCC 3rd class would suffice.

The broadcasting program I went through in college (Central Mich U)
eliminated the requirement to take the "First Phone" test about a year or so
before I graduated. From what I understand, it was a stone cold b*tch if
you weren't headed for an EE degree or similar.

Jay B in AZ

[Don Tuite]

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:28:46 -0700, "Jay Beckman" >
wrote:
>
>PS...Anyone here have their FCC "First Phone?" (and I'm not talking about a
>Nokia...)
>
Got transmographied into a "General" Commercial licence in the late
'70s, early '80s. Good for life. But you don't need one to read the
plate ammeter any more.

I think the second and first telegraph licences are still alive,
though irrelevant to the merchant marine. The requirement to monitor
2182 kHz went away a few years ago.

Don

[Don Tuite]

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:22:52 -0700, "Jay Beckman" >
wrote:

>"Bill Zaleski" > wrote in message
...
>> I had a "first phone" for about 25 years, until they renewed it and
>> called it a "general" ticket, good for life. Yes, a 3rd class
>> suffices for the permit.
>>
>>
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>I figured the FCC 3rd class would suffice.
>
>The broadcasting program I went through in college (Central Mich U)
>eliminated the requirement to take the "First Phone" test about a year or so
>before I graduated. From what I understand, it was a stone cold b*tch if
>you weren't headed for an EE degree or similar.

There was a fair overlap in the questions with the Amateur Extra exam
of that era.

Don

[Bill Denton]

Nah! Getting a First ticket was a piece of cake. All you needed was a yellow
pencil!

When I was in radio, in the late 60's and 70's, we were disk jockeys, but we
were also, in most cases, "transmitter operators" (some stations employed
separate transmitter operators, generally known as "engineers").

There were two applicable classes of licenses: Third Class Radiotelephone
Certificate with Broadcast Endorsement (or similar title), commonly known as
a Third Ticket, and the First Class Radiotelephone Certificate (or similar
title), commonly known as a First Ticket.

With a Third Ticket, you were allowed to operate transmitters of less than
10 KW (if I remember correctly), with non-directional antennas. Your tasks
were limited to turning the transmitter on and off, and keeping it operating
within the proper parameters by monitoring various meters and making minor
adjustments. And that was pretty much all you could do.

If you wanted to operate a transmitter of greater than 10 KW or with a
directional antenna, you had to have a First Ticket. The First Ticket
allowed you to do major maintenance and repairs to a transmitter, install a
new transmitter, or even build your own transmitter from the ground up. You
could pretty much do anything with a radio station, within the confines of
the station's license.

Note, the above restrictions applied to AM broadcast stations; FM stations
had similar requirements but FM isn't really germane to this discussion.

The problem for the poor DJ with a Third Ticket, was that there were
numerous radio stations in small towns and rural areas that were more than
10 KW or had directional antennas, which required a First Ticket operator,
but that could not afford separate First Ticket operators. Obviously, if a
DJ also had a First Ticket the market for their talents expanded markedly.

Thus was born what was known as a "combo man": a very talented DJ who also
had a First Ticket. Most of them could barely change a light bulb, much less
work on a transmitter, but they had the "paper" and that was all that
counted.

Soon, there were schools all across the country turning out combo men. They
taught students everything they needed to know to pass the First Ticket
test, and that was all they taught. No theory, no practical knowledge; just
enough to get the paper. So, for something like $1,200.00 or so and two
weeks of time, a DJ could walk away with that First Ticket, and work
anywhere he wanted to.

But some people had neither $1,200.00 or two weeks. So, some enterprising
folks did a little bit of research. The First Ticket test was primarily
multiple choice, but you were required to make a couple of rough drawings
and things like that. IIRC, these guys then figured out that if you made a
high enough score on the multiple choice, the drawings didn't matter.

Now, most people couldn't memorize all of the answers, and they couldn't
very well walk into the testing center with an answer sheet in their hand.
So what could an applicant take into the test room without arousing
suspicion? How about an ordinary yellow pencil?

But these weren't "ordinary yellow pencils"! In fact, they had the answers
to all of the First Ticket test questions imprinted on their sides. All a DJ
had to do was drop down $500.00, spend a couple of hours in the testing
room, and voila! Instant combo man. And the world was his oyster...





"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:ySxwc.20875$aM1.17686@fed1read02...
> "Bill Zaleski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I had a "first phone" for about 25 years, until they renewed it and
> > called it a "general" ticket, good for life. Yes, a 3rd class
> > suffices for the permit.
> >
> >
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I figured the FCC 3rd class would suffice.
>
> The broadcasting program I went through in college (Central Mich U)
> eliminated the requirement to take the "First Phone" test about a year or
so
> before I graduated. From what I understand, it was a stone cold b*tch if
> you weren't headed for an EE degree or similar.
>
> Jay B in AZ
>
>

[Jerry Kurata]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:31:51 -0700, Jerry Kurata wrote:
>
> >I have one, but have never been asked to see it either in the US, Canada,
or
> >Mexico.
>
> have an accident abroad, have your insurance company show you all
> _required_ papers. don't have a radio operator permit. what _could_ happen
> now?
>

That depends upon your insurance company. It is important to read your
policy and know what previsions or restrictions they have regarding out of
the country operations. Also, in Mexico you will be required to purchase
liability insurance from a company licensed to do business in Mexico. I use
the Baja Bush Pilots, www.bajabushpilots.com.

jerry

[Robert M. Gary]

"Jerry Kurata" > wrote in message >...
> "Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:31:51 -0700, Jerry Kurata wrote:
> >
> > >I have one, but have never been asked to see it either in the US, Canada,
> or
> > >Mexico.
> >
> > have an accident abroad, have your insurance company show you all
> > _required_ papers. don't have a radio operator permit. what _could_ happen
> > now?
> >
>
> That depends upon your insurance company. It is important to read your
> policy and know what previsions or restrictions they have regarding out of
> the country operations. Also, in Mexico you will be required to purchase
> liability insurance from a company licensed to do business in Mexico. I use
> the Baja Bush Pilots, www.bajabushpilots.com.

That information is almost 2 years old. Its not a surprise that Baja
Bush Pilots don't make a big deal about the Mexican gov't getting rid
of this requirement. I have not had "Mexico" insurance for the last
two years. The Mexican officials are well aware that this requirement
is gone. The only requirement is that you have a liability policy that
is in effect while in Mexico. My standard AIG policy includes Mexico
in the policy territory, which today, is good enough. Save the $100 on
insurance.


-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

Martin Hotze > wrote in message >...
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:31:51 -0700, Jerry Kurata wrote:
>
> >I have one, but have never been asked to see it either in the US, Canada, or
> >Mexico.
>
> have an accident abroad, have your insurance company show you all
> _required_ papers. don't have a radio operator permit. what _could_ happen
> now?

Nothing.

[Darrell]

!0 years??? I got mine about 50 years ago and still have it. It doesn't
show an expiration date.

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"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Vigo wrote:
> >
> > is a radio license in the states a one time fee, ...
>
> It's good for ten years.
>
> George Patterson
> None of us is as dumb as all of us.

[Darrell]

Aha! Thanks. That makes sense. Operator radio license is good for life.

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"Bill Denton" > wrote in message
...
> Let me jump in here before things get too confused. Some of this stuff may
> have changed, but I believe it's still valid.
>
> There are two types of licenses involved: a Station license, and an
Operator
> license.
>
> The Station license authorizes the use of the com transmitters in your
> aircraft. But it only allows the radios themselves to be operated; it does
> not license any person to operate them. The station license applies to
> specific a transmitter(s).
>
> The Operator license allows a person to operate various types of radios,
> including aircraft com transmitters. (It also allows you to operate
taxicab
> radios so you can scrape up enough money to fly!) But the Operator license
> is not restricted to aircraft radios, and it is not restricted to any
> specific radio.
>
> Again this may have changed, but IIRC, the Station license is issued for a
> fixed period, I think it's five years, but it does have to be renewed
> periodically.
>
> But the Operator license is valid for the lifetime of the license holder,
> and does not have to be renewed.
>
> Hope that helps...
>
>
> "Harry Shin" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > Vigo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > is a radio license in the states a one time fee, ...
> > >
> > > It's good for ten years.
> > >
> > > George Patterson
> > > None of us is as dumb as all of us.
> >
> > Hmmm, mine says, "...is valid under Rules and Regulations of the
> Commission
> > and for the _lifetime_ of the holder..." (1971 FCC form 753-B)
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[James R. Freeman]

Yes since 1970 with all endorsements but now it is called General Radio.

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:5pnwc.18962$aM1.17181@fed1read02...
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
> > down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
> > ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
> > it is).
> > Has anyone ever heard of anyone being asked for it in Canada?
> >
> > I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
> > to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
> > Mexico.
> >
> > -Robert
>
> I have my 3rd class radio/telephone permit, which I had to get to be a DJ
on
> the college radio station back in 1980...
>
> Same thing?
>
> Jay Beckman
> Chandler, AZ
> 23.8 Hrs
>
> PS...Anyone here have their FCC "First Phone?" (and I'm not talking about
a
> Nokia...)
>
>