Introductory acrobatic lesson - long

[Jack Allison]

I'm a lucky guy. For my b-day this year, my wife bought me an hour of
introductory acrobatic time at a semi-local FBO (Attitude Aviation,
Livermore, CA). I decided to go up in their Super Decathlon. So,
yesterday, I took the opportunity to experience several "firsts". My first
tail wheel experience, first tandem seating experience, first time flying
anything with a stick vs. yoke, first time flying with a constant speed
prop, first time strapping on a parachute. Basically, my first time flying
anything but a C-172/152 and doing more than a steep turn. Hey, at least it
was still a high wing...I haven't crossed over...yet :-)

Of course I had to fly from my home airport instead of drive. It was a
great morning to fly and enjoy the views of the delta area and the back side
of Mt. Diablo. It had been about a month since I'd flown so felt great
getting back in the air. I even pulled off a decent landing on the short
runway at LVK. First time I'd been to LVK despite having flown over it
several times.

I had a chance to get acquainted with the Decathlon for about 20 minutes
before my instructor returned from his previous lesson. I looked over the
POH, sat in the plane (without making airplane noises) and kept thinking
"wow, this different...really different". Peter, my instructor showed up
and we got started with some more aircraft orientation, pre-flight
procedures, parachute familiarization, bail out procedure, etc. Now there's
something to think about. If I hear the words "BAIL OUT BAIL OUT BAIL OUT",
I need to remove my headset, release the 5-point seatbelt harness assembly,
pull the door release pin, then fall out of the airplane head-first...then,
of course, find the release handle on the parachute (evidently, it can come
out of it's velcro-pocket and be hiding underneath and behind your left
arm...fortunately, I'm learning this with both feet firmly planted on ground
instead of while free-falling). It all sounds simple enough but I can
imagine how difficult it must be in the panic of a live bail out scenario,
especially if you're spinning or somehow being tossed about in the airplane.

Ok, so after we get our parachutes on, it's time to climb in the airplane.
And I thought it was difficult without the parachute. I get to start up and
taxi out. For those students who are being challenged to keep a tricycle
gear plane on the yellow line, that's absolutely nothing compared to taxiing
in a tail wheel plane. Much more of a challenge. Fortunately, it's about
100 yards to the run up area.

My instructor handles the takeoff which is interesting since your view of
the world changes dramatically when the tail wheel comes off the ground.
Once we're about 200 ft. AGL, he gives me the airplane and I manage an
uncoordinated right crosswind departure. Man, it's tough keeping the ball
in the cage. Oh, ya, another first, seeing a turn coordinator for regular
and inverted flight. As we climb out toward Mt. Diablo, I get to run
through some S-turns and basic coordination drills. After 5 minutes or so,
I start to figure out that it takes lots of rudder to keep things
coordinated.

Once we're at 7000 MSL in the practice area, we line up on a ridge below us
and it's time for loops. My instructor demonstrates the first one. Lower
the nose, I read off airspeed and when we hit 130, hard pull up (and I learn
what 4 Gs feels like for the first time), float over the top (look left and
right, verify wings are level...but, wait a minute, everything is upside
down :-) ), look up through the top window, pickup up the ridge line on the
ground, and recover. Very cool. Way better than any roller coaster I've
been on. Now, it's my turn. While I manage to keep the wings level, I
didn't pull up hard enough (hit just under 3 Gs on the pull up) and we were
a bit slow over the top...but hey, I did my first loop. I do a couple more
and manage to get better with each one.

Next up, aileron rolls. Pitch up 30 degrees, neutralize the stick, full
deflection (to the left in this case), wings level, neutralize ailerons,
recover from approx. 30 degrees nose down pitch attitude. Sounds simple
enough, now it's my turn. I pick a point on the horizon, imagine a vertical
line up through it, pitch up, think I neutralize the stick (I didn't, had
some back pressure), full left deflection, and the nose traces a big circle
around my point on the horizon. I get to try a few more and when I really
neutralize the stick prior to full left deflection, I manage pretty decent
rolls. It's very cool to see the world spin around in front of you.

Next up, my personal favorite for this ride...spins. This is the one thing
I most wanted to experience because, during the PPL training, you get the
head knowledge on how to recover from a spin but are not required to
physically recover from a spin. My instructor demonstrates the first spin.
Slow to 55 MPH, full left rudder and bam, the plane rolls over to the left,
points down and I'm watching the world spin around while pointed at the
ground. After 2.5 revolutions, full right rudder, neutral stick, revolution
stops, neutral rudder (this is the part I'll forget when I get to do them),
slight forward stick, then recover from the dive. Wow, that was *very*
cool. Now it's my turn. I forget to neutralize the stick when we enter the
spin and as a result, we get into an accelerated spin. When I go to
recover, I forget to release full right rudder (fortunately, we didn't start
a spin to the right). By now, I'm thinking this is great experience but it
sure is easy to mess up when recovering from a spin. I do one more and
it's
about the same as my first one except my instructor has to assist in the
recovery a bit more than the first one. Evidently, I like accelerated spins
more than the garden variety :-) By now, my brain is on serious overload
and I'm feeling ever so slightly queasy. Not like I'm going to hurl any
minute or anything but a bit light headed and very slight upset stomach.
I'm thinking it's about time to call it quits...but not after some hammer
heads.

My instructor demonstrates a nice hammerhead. Pitch down, airspeed to 130,
pull up to the vertical, look left and right, full left rudder when the
string on the strut begins to luff, recover after you're pointing straight
down. My turn. I pitched up beyond vertical and it felt more like a loop
that we fell out of at the top than anything else. I can imagine what it
must have looked like from outside the airplane.

By now, the upset stomach and light headed feeling are a little stronger so
I decide to call it a day. We head back to LVK and my instructor handles
the landing. Of course, since I'm up front, I get to taxi back to parking.
And, once again, I'm thinking that taxiing in a tricycle gear plane is a
piece of cake compared to this. I mange to keep it pretty much on the
yellow line though.

We debrief and I learn that many first time acrobatic rides only last .3 or
..4 hours. We managed 1.1. My instructor thanks me for calling it early
once I felt like I did. He tells me that I'd most likely acclimate and that
it's not uncommon to get similar feelings of nausea when you do acrobatics
for the first time.

Overall, this was a great experience. I can see why folks get hooked on
acro. If I lived closer to LVK, I could see myself getting checked out in
some of their planes and doing this on a regular basis. It's a ton of fun
and I'd highly recommend anyone to find an acro instructor and, at a
minimum, go through some spin training. It was a great experience and I'd
do it again in a heartbeat.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Roy Epperson]

Great post! It's great that you got to experience acrobatics.

Your spin experience reminds me how much I use to enjoy spinning (spin
rated) planes. I remember once during the Vietnam war era, I was out doing
some spins, cleared area, and as I entered the first turn a jet fighter went
under me on a knife edge. Needless to say, I recovered and went back to the
airport.... put me in my "place".

This was in San Luis Oblispo, CA and it was all too common for recent Cal
Poly grads who were Air Force or Navy recent fighter grads would come back
and straff the campus. I'd seen him off in the distance straffing the
campus during one of my climb outs to do another spin. Needless to say, he
saw me too...

[tony roberts]

> I'm a lucky guy. For my b-day this year, my wife bought me an hour of
> introductory acrobatic time at a semi-local FBO (Attitude Aviation,
> Livermore, CA).

Hi Jack

Mine was cancelled due to lousy weather :(
But - next week . . . :)

Glad to hear that it went so well,

Tony
--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument :)
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[Philip Sondericker]

in article nospam-095D74.22464006062004@shawnews, tony roberts at
wrote on 6/6/04 10:43 PM:

> Hi Jack

Let's greet Mr. Allison with "Hello", "Tally-ho" or "Salutations" from now
on, shall we?

[John Harper]

So I think I must have flown the Decathlon shortly before or after
you... what time did you fly? I had an interesting experience, that
I'm NOT in a big hurry to repeat. I did a fairly unsatisfactory
Immelman and as I was recovering from the resulting
partial split-S, the stick wouldn't come back. Fortunately I've
been taught to expect the rear stick to get tangled up in things
so I groped around behind me and discovered that the soft
cushion on the rear seat squab had come adrift and was blocking
the stick. Once I dislodged it things worked properly and I
recovered, but I figured that further acro wasn't prudent.

It's interesting because I've got Immelmans to the point where
they're routine. But (following a discussion on this newsgroup)
I started trying to fly loops at exactly 3G and tried that
with Immelmans too. Not cool. You lose too much speed and
just kind of fall awkwardly off the top. (3G *loops* are
really nice, they feel very elegant). Sometimes you start to spin,
other times you just split S, but either way Max wouldn't have
been proud of me.

One of the real defining moments of acro is when you get into
an inadvertent spin and recover without really thinking about it.

Acro is a lot of fun but in addition it really gives you confidence
handling the plane. And the Decathlon is a great plane for it,
it has enough performance to keep you busy but it's very hard
to get yourself into serious trouble.

Glad you had fun!

John

"Jack Allison" > wrote in message
...
> I'm a lucky guy. For my b-day this year, my wife bought me an hour of
> introductory acrobatic time at a semi-local FBO (Attitude Aviation,
> Livermore, CA). I decided to go up in their Super Decathlon. So,
> yesterday, I took the opportunity to experience several "firsts". My
first
> tail wheel experience, first tandem seating experience, first time flying
> anything with a stick vs. yoke, first time flying with a constant speed
> prop, first time strapping on a parachute. Basically, my first time
flying
> anything but a C-172/152 and doing more than a steep turn. Hey, at least
it
> was still a high wing...I haven't crossed over...yet :-)
>
> Of course I had to fly from my home airport instead of drive. It was a
> great morning to fly and enjoy the views of the delta area and the back
side
> of Mt. Diablo. It had been about a month since I'd flown so felt great
> getting back in the air. I even pulled off a decent landing on the short
> runway at LVK. First time I'd been to LVK despite having flown over it
> several times.
>
> I had a chance to get acquainted with the Decathlon for about 20 minutes
> before my instructor returned from his previous lesson. I looked over the
> POH, sat in the plane (without making airplane noises) and kept thinking
> "wow, this different...really different". Peter, my instructor showed up
> and we got started with some more aircraft orientation, pre-flight
> procedures, parachute familiarization, bail out procedure, etc. Now
there's
> something to think about. If I hear the words "BAIL OUT BAIL OUT BAIL
OUT",
> I need to remove my headset, release the 5-point seatbelt harness
assembly,
> pull the door release pin, then fall out of the airplane
head-first...then,
> of course, find the release handle on the parachute (evidently, it can
come
> out of it's velcro-pocket and be hiding underneath and behind your left
> arm...fortunately, I'm learning this with both feet firmly planted on
ground
> instead of while free-falling). It all sounds simple enough but I can
> imagine how difficult it must be in the panic of a live bail out scenario,
> especially if you're spinning or somehow being tossed about in the
airplane.
>
> Ok, so after we get our parachutes on, it's time to climb in the airplane.
> And I thought it was difficult without the parachute. I get to start up
and
> taxi out. For those students who are being challenged to keep a tricycle
> gear plane on the yellow line, that's absolutely nothing compared to
taxiing
> in a tail wheel plane. Much more of a challenge. Fortunately, it's about
> 100 yards to the run up area.
>
> My instructor handles the takeoff which is interesting since your view of
> the world changes dramatically when the tail wheel comes off the ground.
> Once we're about 200 ft. AGL, he gives me the airplane and I manage an
> uncoordinated right crosswind departure. Man, it's tough keeping the ball
> in the cage. Oh, ya, another first, seeing a turn coordinator for regular
> and inverted flight. As we climb out toward Mt. Diablo, I get to run
> through some S-turns and basic coordination drills. After 5 minutes or
so,
> I start to figure out that it takes lots of rudder to keep things
> coordinated.
>
> Once we're at 7000 MSL in the practice area, we line up on a ridge below
us
> and it's time for loops. My instructor demonstrates the first one. Lower
> the nose, I read off airspeed and when we hit 130, hard pull up (and I
learn
> what 4 Gs feels like for the first time), float over the top (look left
and
> right, verify wings are level...but, wait a minute, everything is upside
> down :-) ), look up through the top window, pickup up the ridge line on
the
> ground, and recover. Very cool. Way better than any roller coaster I've
> been on. Now, it's my turn. While I manage to keep the wings level, I
> didn't pull up hard enough (hit just under 3 Gs on the pull up) and we
were
> a bit slow over the top...but hey, I did my first loop. I do a couple
more
> and manage to get better with each one.
>
> Next up, aileron rolls. Pitch up 30 degrees, neutralize the stick, full
> deflection (to the left in this case), wings level, neutralize ailerons,
> recover from approx. 30 degrees nose down pitch attitude. Sounds simple
> enough, now it's my turn. I pick a point on the horizon, imagine a
vertical
> line up through it, pitch up, think I neutralize the stick (I didn't, had
> some back pressure), full left deflection, and the nose traces a big
circle
> around my point on the horizon. I get to try a few more and when I really
> neutralize the stick prior to full left deflection, I manage pretty decent
> rolls. It's very cool to see the world spin around in front of you.
>
> Next up, my personal favorite for this ride...spins. This is the one
thing
> I most wanted to experience because, during the PPL training, you get the
> head knowledge on how to recover from a spin but are not required to
> physically recover from a spin. My instructor demonstrates the first
spin.
> Slow to 55 MPH, full left rudder and bam, the plane rolls over to the
left,
> points down and I'm watching the world spin around while pointed at the
> ground. After 2.5 revolutions, full right rudder, neutral stick,
revolution
> stops, neutral rudder (this is the part I'll forget when I get to do
them),
> slight forward stick, then recover from the dive. Wow, that was *very*
> cool. Now it's my turn. I forget to neutralize the stick when we enter
the
> spin and as a result, we get into an accelerated spin. When I go to
> recover, I forget to release full right rudder (fortunately, we didn't
start
> a spin to the right). By now, I'm thinking this is great experience but
it
> sure is easy to mess up when recovering from a spin. I do one more and
> it's
> about the same as my first one except my instructor has to assist in the
> recovery a bit more than the first one. Evidently, I like accelerated
spins
> more than the garden variety :-) By now, my brain is on serious overload
> and I'm feeling ever so slightly queasy. Not like I'm going to hurl any
> minute or anything but a bit light headed and very slight upset stomach.
> I'm thinking it's about time to call it quits...but not after some hammer
> heads.
>
> My instructor demonstrates a nice hammerhead. Pitch down, airspeed to
130,
> pull up to the vertical, look left and right, full left rudder when the
> string on the strut begins to luff, recover after you're pointing straight
> down. My turn. I pitched up beyond vertical and it felt more like a loop
> that we fell out of at the top than anything else. I can imagine what it
> must have looked like from outside the airplane.
>
> By now, the upset stomach and light headed feeling are a little stronger
so
> I decide to call it a day. We head back to LVK and my instructor handles
> the landing. Of course, since I'm up front, I get to taxi back to
parking.
> And, once again, I'm thinking that taxiing in a tricycle gear plane is a
> piece of cake compared to this. I mange to keep it pretty much on the
> yellow line though.
>
> We debrief and I learn that many first time acrobatic rides only last .3
or
> .4 hours. We managed 1.1. My instructor thanks me for calling it early
> once I felt like I did. He tells me that I'd most likely acclimate and
that
> it's not uncommon to get similar feelings of nausea when you do acrobatics
> for the first time.
>
> Overall, this was a great experience. I can see why folks get hooked on
> acro. If I lived closer to LVK, I could see myself getting checked out in
> some of their planes and doing this on a regular basis. It's a ton of fun
> and I'd highly recommend anyone to find an acro instructor and, at a
> minimum, go through some spin training. It was a great experience and I'd
> do it again in a heartbeat.
>
> --
> Jack Allison
> PP-ASEL
>
> "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
> with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
> you will always long to return"
> - Leonardo Da Vinci
>
> (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)
>
>
>

[Dudley Henriques]

"John Harper" > wrote in message
news:1086589290.295808@sj-nntpcache-3...
> So I think I must have flown the Decathlon shortly before or after
> you... what time did you fly? I had an interesting experience, that
> I'm NOT in a big hurry to repeat. I did a fairly unsatisfactory
> Immelman and as I was recovering from the resulting
> partial split-S, the stick wouldn't come back. Fortunately I've
> been taught to expect the rear stick to get tangled up in things
> so I groped around behind me and discovered that the soft
> cushion on the rear seat squab had come adrift and was blocking
> the stick. Once I dislodged it things worked properly and I
> recovered, but I figured that further acro wasn't prudent.
>
> It's interesting because I've got Immelmans to the point where
> they're routine. But (following a discussion on this newsgroup)
> I started trying to fly loops at exactly 3G and tried that
> with Immelmans too. Not cool. You lose too much speed and
> just kind of fall awkwardly off the top. (3G *loops* are
> really nice, they feel very elegant). Sometimes you start to spin,
> other times you just split S, but either way Max wouldn't have
> been proud of me.
>
> One of the real defining moments of acro is when you get into
> an inadvertent spin and recover without really thinking about it.
>
> Acro is a lot of fun but in addition it really gives you confidence
> handling the plane. And the Decathlon is a great plane for it,
> it has enough performance to keep you busy but it's very hard
> to get yourself into serious trouble.
>
> Glad you had fun!
>
> John

Hi John;

Am I assuming correctly that you had trouble with the rear cushion even
though the rear harness and belt were as tight as they could be
tightened and CONNECTED over the cushion for solo aerobatics?
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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the z's with e's.
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[MLenoch]

D:
Had another dead stick with the 51 this weekend.
V

[Dudley Henriques]

"MLenoch" > wrote in message
...
> D:
> Had another dead stick with the 51 this weekend.
> V

Close in to the field I take it? Oil pressure or coolant?
Dud

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On 07 Jun 2004 14:48:25 GMT, (MLenoch) wrote:

>D:
>Had another dead stick with the 51 this weekend.
>V

Vlado, ya can't leave us hangin' like that.....

Please tell more!

Bela P. Havasreti

[G.R. Patterson III]

Roy Epperson wrote:
>
> This was in San Luis Oblispo, CA and it was all too common for recent Cal
> Poly grads who were Air Force or Navy recent fighter grads would come back
> and straff the campus. I'd seen him off in the distance straffing the
> campus during one of my climb outs to do another spin.

I sincerely hope you mean a low pass, rather than strafing. Strafing is shooting at
something on the ground.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

[Jack Allison]

John,

We flew early, first flight of the day and were back on the ramp at 10:00.

Sounds like you had a rather rude surprise on the Immelman recovery. I'll
bet that gets the adrenaline going in a real hurry.

I'd agree that the Decathlon is a great plane to fly/learn in. I'd do it
again any day.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[Jack Allison]

Yes, inquiring minds want to know! Would love to hear the details.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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[David B. Cole]

Great post Jack. I just finished the instrument and after a few
months of using it I plan to do about 5-10 hours of aero, and perhaps
the tailwheel while I'm at it. My experience with loops, rolls, and
spins with Mr. Stowell has me excited about doing more. And I also
figure it would make the commercial maneuvers easier once I decide to
move in that direction.

Dave

"Jack Allison" > wrote in message >...
> I'm a lucky guy. For my b-day this year, my wife bought me an hour of
> introductory acrobatic time at a semi-local FBO (Attitude Aviation,
> Livermore, CA). I decided to go up in their Super Decathlon. So,
> yesterday, I took the opportunity to experience several "firsts". My first
> tail wheel experience, first tandem seating experience, first time flying
> anything with a stick vs. yoke, first time flying with a constant speed
> prop, first time strapping on a parachute. Basically, my first time flying
> anything but a C-172/152 and doing more than a steep turn. Hey, at least it
> was still a high wing...I haven't crossed over...yet :-)
>
> Of course I had to fly from my home airport instead of drive. It was a
> great morning to fly and enjoy the views of the delta area and the back side
> of Mt. Diablo. It had been about a month since I'd flown so felt great
> getting back in the air. I even pulled off a decent landing on the short
> runway at LVK. First time I'd been to LVK despite having flown over it
> several times.
>
> I had a chance to get acquainted with the Decathlon for about 20 minutes
> before my instructor returned from his previous lesson. I looked over the
> POH, sat in the plane (without making airplane noises) and kept thinking
> "wow, this different...really different". Peter, my instructor showed up
> and we got started with some more aircraft orientation, pre-flight
> procedures, parachute familiarization, bail out procedure, etc. Now there's
> something to think about. If I hear the words "BAIL OUT BAIL OUT BAIL OUT",
> I need to remove my headset, release the 5-point seatbelt harness assembly,
> pull the door release pin, then fall out of the airplane head-first...then,
> of course, find the release handle on the parachute (evidently, it can come
> out of it's velcro-pocket and be hiding underneath and behind your left
> arm...fortunately, I'm learning this with both feet firmly planted on ground
> instead of while free-falling). It all sounds simple enough but I can
> imagine how difficult it must be in the panic of a live bail out scenario,
> especially if you're spinning or somehow being tossed about in the airplane.
>
> Ok, so after we get our parachutes on, it's time to climb in the airplane.
> And I thought it was difficult without the parachute. I get to start up and
> taxi out. For those students who are being challenged to keep a tricycle
> gear plane on the yellow line, that's absolutely nothing compared to taxiing
> in a tail wheel plane. Much more of a challenge. Fortunately, it's about
> 100 yards to the run up area.
>
> My instructor handles the takeoff which is interesting since your view of
> the world changes dramatically when the tail wheel comes off the ground.
> Once we're about 200 ft. AGL, he gives me the airplane and I manage an
> uncoordinated right crosswind departure. Man, it's tough keeping the ball
> in the cage. Oh, ya, another first, seeing a turn coordinator for regular
> and inverted flight. As we climb out toward Mt. Diablo, I get to run
> through some S-turns and basic coordination drills. After 5 minutes or so,
> I start to figure out that it takes lots of rudder to keep things
> coordinated.
>
> Once we're at 7000 MSL in the practice area, we line up on a ridge below us
> and it's time for loops. My instructor demonstrates the first one. Lower
> the nose, I read off airspeed and when we hit 130, hard pull up (and I learn
> what 4 Gs feels like for the first time), float over the top (look left and
> right, verify wings are level...but, wait a minute, everything is upside
> down :-) ), look up through the top window, pickup up the ridge line on the
> ground, and recover. Very cool. Way better than any roller coaster I've
> been on. Now, it's my turn. While I manage to keep the wings level, I
> didn't pull up hard enough (hit just under 3 Gs on the pull up) and we were
> a bit slow over the top...but hey, I did my first loop. I do a couple more
> and manage to get better with each one.
>
> Next up, aileron rolls. Pitch up 30 degrees, neutralize the stick, full
> deflection (to the left in this case), wings level, neutralize ailerons,
> recover from approx. 30 degrees nose down pitch attitude. Sounds simple
> enough, now it's my turn. I pick a point on the horizon, imagine a vertical
> line up through it, pitch up, think I neutralize the stick (I didn't, had
> some back pressure), full left deflection, and the nose traces a big circle
> around my point on the horizon. I get to try a few more and when I really
> neutralize the stick prior to full left deflection, I manage pretty decent
> rolls. It's very cool to see the world spin around in front of you.
>
> Next up, my personal favorite for this ride...spins. This is the one thing
> I most wanted to experience because, during the PPL training, you get the
> head knowledge on how to recover from a spin but are not required to
> physically recover from a spin. My instructor demonstrates the first spin.
> Slow to 55 MPH, full left rudder and bam, the plane rolls over to the left,
> points down and I'm watching the world spin around while pointed at the
> ground. After 2.5 revolutions, full right rudder, neutral stick, revolution
> stops, neutral rudder (this is the part I'll forget when I get to do them),
> slight forward stick, then recover from the dive. Wow, that was *very*
> cool. Now it's my turn. I forget to neutralize the stick when we enter the
> spin and as a result, we get into an accelerated spin. When I go to
> recover, I forget to release full right rudder (fortunately, we didn't start
> a spin to the right). By now, I'm thinking this is great experience but it
> sure is easy to mess up when recovering from a spin. I do one more and
> it's
> about the same as my first one except my instructor has to assist in the
> recovery a bit more than the first one. Evidently, I like accelerated spins
> more than the garden variety :-) By now, my brain is on serious overload
> and I'm feeling ever so slightly queasy. Not like I'm going to hurl any
> minute or anything but a bit light headed and very slight upset stomach.
> I'm thinking it's about time to call it quits...but not after some hammer
> heads.
>
> My instructor demonstrates a nice hammerhead. Pitch down, airspeed to 130,
> pull up to the vertical, look left and right, full left rudder when the
> string on the strut begins to luff, recover after you're pointing straight
> down. My turn. I pitched up beyond vertical and it felt more like a loop
> that we fell out of at the top than anything else. I can imagine what it
> must have looked like from outside the airplane.
>
> By now, the upset stomach and light headed feeling are a little stronger so
> I decide to call it a day. We head back to LVK and my instructor handles
> the landing. Of course, since I'm up front, I get to taxi back to parking.
> And, once again, I'm thinking that taxiing in a tricycle gear plane is a
> piece of cake compared to this. I mange to keep it pretty much on the
> yellow line though.
>
> We debrief and I learn that many first time acrobatic rides only last .3 or
> .4 hours. We managed 1.1. My instructor thanks me for calling it early
> once I felt like I did. He tells me that I'd most likely acclimate and that
> it's not uncommon to get similar feelings of nausea when you do acrobatics
> for the first time.
>
> Overall, this was a great experience. I can see why folks get hooked on
> acro. If I lived closer to LVK, I could see myself getting checked out in
> some of their planes and doing this on a regular basis. It's a ton of fun
> and I'd highly recommend anyone to find an acro instructor and, at a
> minimum, go through some spin training. It was a great experience and I'd
> do it again in a heartbeat.
>
> --
> Jack Allison
> PP-ASEL
>
> "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
> with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
> you will always long to return"
> - Leonardo Da Vinci
>
> (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Marty]

"John Harper" > wrote in message
news:1086589290.295808@sj-nntpcache-3...
> So I think I must have flown the Decathlon shortly before or after
> you... what time did you fly? I had an interesting experience, that
> I'm NOT in a big hurry to repeat. I did a fairly unsatisfactory
> Immelman and as I was recovering from the resulting
> partial split-S, the stick wouldn't come back. Fortunately I've
> been taught to expect the rear stick to get tangled up in things
> so I groped around behind me and discovered that the soft
> cushion on the rear seat squab had come adrift and was blocking
> the stick. Once I dislodged it things worked properly and I
> recovered, but I figured that further acro wasn't prudent.
>

<snicker>
So much for that checklist item "all loose items removed or secured" eh,
John?

Got an old aluminum E6B up the back side of my head for failing to check the
left seat pocket, the fuel tester missed me. My CFI asked, (between
chuckles) "you got it?". Yea, I got it, literally.

On a serious note, something as simple sounding as this, could very well
have been the straw that broke the camel's back (in a chain of errors) and
gotten me....well....very dead.

Sorry for the dark cloud but it's true and real,
Marty

[Nobody]

A few years ago I took a few acro lessons in a super decathlon. I was so
hooked I bought one. Flying a tailwheel with a stick has made me a much,
much better pilot.

I do stare at that door release lynch pin and keep reminding myself they put
it there for a reason. It's a little bothersome.



"Jack Allison" > wrote in message
...
> I'm a lucky guy. For my b-day this year, my wife bought me an hour of
> introductory acrobatic time at a semi-local FBO (Attitude Aviation,
> Livermore, CA). I decided to go up in their Super Decathlon. So,
> yesterday, I took the opportunity to experience several "firsts". My
first
> tail wheel experience, first tandem seating experience, first time flying
> anything with a stick vs. yoke, first time flying with a constant speed
> prop, first time strapping on a parachute. Basically, my first time
flying
> anything but a C-172/152 and doing more than a steep turn. Hey, at least
it
> was still a high wing...I haven't crossed over...yet :-)
>
> Of course I had to fly from my home airport instead of drive. It was a
> great morning to fly and enjoy the views of the delta area and the back
side
> of Mt. Diablo. It had been about a month since I'd flown so felt great
> getting back in the air. I even pulled off a decent landing on the short
> runway at LVK. First time I'd been to LVK despite having flown over it
> several times.
>
> I had a chance to get acquainted with the Decathlon for about 20 minutes
> before my instructor returned from his previous lesson. I looked over the
> POH, sat in the plane (without making airplane noises) and kept thinking
> "wow, this different...really different". Peter, my instructor showed up
> and we got started with some more aircraft orientation, pre-flight
> procedures, parachute familiarization, bail out procedure, etc. Now
there's
> something to think about. If I hear the words "BAIL OUT BAIL OUT BAIL
OUT",
> I need to remove my headset, release the 5-point seatbelt harness
assembly,
> pull the door release pin, then fall out of the airplane
head-first...then,
> of course, find the release handle on the parachute (evidently, it can
come
> out of it's velcro-pocket and be hiding underneath and behind your left
> arm...fortunately, I'm learning this with both feet firmly planted on
ground
> instead of while free-falling). It all sounds simple enough but I can
> imagine how difficult it must be in the panic of a live bail out scenario,
> especially if you're spinning or somehow being tossed about in the
airplane.
>
> Ok, so after we get our parachutes on, it's time to climb in the airplane.
> And I thought it was difficult without the parachute. I get to start up
and
> taxi out. For those students who are being challenged to keep a tricycle
> gear plane on the yellow line, that's absolutely nothing compared to
taxiing
> in a tail wheel plane. Much more of a challenge. Fortunately, it's about
> 100 yards to the run up area.
>
> My instructor handles the takeoff which is interesting since your view of
> the world changes dramatically when the tail wheel comes off the ground.
> Once we're about 200 ft. AGL, he gives me the airplane and I manage an
> uncoordinated right crosswind departure. Man, it's tough keeping the ball
> in the cage. Oh, ya, another first, seeing a turn coordinator for regular
> and inverted flight. As we climb out toward Mt. Diablo, I get to run
> through some S-turns and basic coordination drills. After 5 minutes or
so,
> I start to figure out that it takes lots of rudder to keep things
> coordinated.
>
> Once we're at 7000 MSL in the practice area, we line up on a ridge below
us
> and it's time for loops. My instructor demonstrates the first one. Lower
> the nose, I read off airspeed and when we hit 130, hard pull up (and I
learn
> what 4 Gs feels like for the first time), float over the top (look left
and
> right, verify wings are level...but, wait a minute, everything is upside
> down :-) ), look up through the top window, pickup up the ridge line on
the
> ground, and recover. Very cool. Way better than any roller coaster I've
> been on. Now, it's my turn. While I manage to keep the wings level, I
> didn't pull up hard enough (hit just under 3 Gs on the pull up) and we
were
> a bit slow over the top...but hey, I did my first loop. I do a couple
more
> and manage to get better with each one.
>
> Next up, aileron rolls. Pitch up 30 degrees, neutralize the stick, full
> deflection (to the left in this case), wings level, neutralize ailerons,
> recover from approx. 30 degrees nose down pitch attitude. Sounds simple
> enough, now it's my turn. I pick a point on the horizon, imagine a
vertical
> line up through it, pitch up, think I neutralize the stick (I didn't, had
> some back pressure), full left deflection, and the nose traces a big
circle
> around my point on the horizon. I get to try a few more and when I really
> neutralize the stick prior to full left deflection, I manage pretty decent
> rolls. It's very cool to see the world spin around in front of you.
>
> Next up, my personal favorite for this ride...spins. This is the one
thing
> I most wanted to experience because, during the PPL training, you get the
> head knowledge on how to recover from a spin but are not required to
> physically recover from a spin. My instructor demonstrates the first
spin.
> Slow to 55 MPH, full left rudder and bam, the plane rolls over to the
left,
> points down and I'm watching the world spin around while pointed at the
> ground. After 2.5 revolutions, full right rudder, neutral stick,
revolution
> stops, neutral rudder (this is the part I'll forget when I get to do
them),
> slight forward stick, then recover from the dive. Wow, that was *very*
> cool. Now it's my turn. I forget to neutralize the stick when we enter
the
> spin and as a result, we get into an accelerated spin. When I go to
> recover, I forget to release full right rudder (fortunately, we didn't
start
> a spin to the right). By now, I'm thinking this is great experience but
it
> sure is easy to mess up when recovering from a spin. I do one more and
> it's
> about the same as my first one except my instructor has to assist in the
> recovery a bit more than the first one. Evidently, I like accelerated
spins
> more than the garden variety :-) By now, my brain is on serious overload
> and I'm feeling ever so slightly queasy. Not like I'm going to hurl any
> minute or anything but a bit light headed and very slight upset stomach.
> I'm thinking it's about time to call it quits...but not after some hammer
> heads.
>
> My instructor demonstrates a nice hammerhead. Pitch down, airspeed to
130,
> pull up to the vertical, look left and right, full left rudder when the
> string on the strut begins to luff, recover after you're pointing straight
> down. My turn. I pitched up beyond vertical and it felt more like a loop
> that we fell out of at the top than anything else. I can imagine what it
> must have looked like from outside the airplane.
>
> By now, the upset stomach and light headed feeling are a little stronger
so
> I decide to call it a day. We head back to LVK and my instructor handles
> the landing. Of course, since I'm up front, I get to taxi back to
parking.
> And, once again, I'm thinking that taxiing in a tricycle gear plane is a
> piece of cake compared to this. I mange to keep it pretty much on the
> yellow line though.
>
> We debrief and I learn that many first time acrobatic rides only last .3
or
> .4 hours. We managed 1.1. My instructor thanks me for calling it early
> once I felt like I did. He tells me that I'd most likely acclimate and
that
> it's not uncommon to get similar feelings of nausea when you do acrobatics
> for the first time.
>
> Overall, this was a great experience. I can see why folks get hooked on
> acro. If I lived closer to LVK, I could see myself getting checked out in
> some of their planes and doing this on a regular basis. It's a ton of fun
> and I'd highly recommend anyone to find an acro instructor and, at a
> minimum, go through some spin training. It was a great experience and I'd
> do it again in a heartbeat.
>
> --
> Jack Allison
> PP-ASEL
>
> "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
> with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
> you will always long to return"
> - Leonardo Da Vinci
>
> (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)
>
>
>

[EDR]

Gosh Jack, you must have kept the positive G's on throughout your
maneuvering. You didn't mention anything about the stuff on and below
the floorboards getting in your eyes, nose or mouth.

It is also important to pull the belly inspection plates and use a
mirror and flashlight to check the tail for objects which may lodge
against the elevator linkages.

[John Harper]

The trick is knowing which items are loose. I had not checked that
the seat cushion was clipped in. However in future it will be
clipped OUT!

And then there are the unintentional aerobatics, like the time I
hit a violent rotor and lost 2000' in 10-15 secs. Most things
came safely back down, but my E6B lodged somewhere and
got me on short final. Since then I am very careful about the
baggage net - although it wouldn't affect the E6B.

John

"Marty" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John Harper" > wrote in message
> news:1086589290.295808@sj-nntpcache-3...
> > So I think I must have flown the Decathlon shortly before or after
> > you... what time did you fly? I had an interesting experience, that
> > I'm NOT in a big hurry to repeat. I did a fairly unsatisfactory
> > Immelman and as I was recovering from the resulting
> > partial split-S, the stick wouldn't come back. Fortunately I've
> > been taught to expect the rear stick to get tangled up in things
> > so I groped around behind me and discovered that the soft
> > cushion on the rear seat squab had come adrift and was blocking
> > the stick. Once I dislodged it things worked properly and I
> > recovered, but I figured that further acro wasn't prudent.
> >
>
> <snicker>
> So much for that checklist item "all loose items removed or secured" eh,
> John?
>
> Got an old aluminum E6B up the back side of my head for failing to check
the
> left seat pocket, the fuel tester missed me. My CFI asked, (between
> chuckles) "you got it?". Yea, I got it, literally.
>
> On a serious note, something as simple sounding as this, could very well
> have been the straw that broke the camel's back (in a chain of errors) and
> gotten me....well....very dead.
>
> Sorry for the dark cloud but it's true and real,
> Marty
>
>
>

[Roy Epperson]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
> I sincerely hope you mean a low pass, rather than strafing. Strafing is
shooting at
> something on the ground.

I stand corrected....

[Marty]

"John Harper" > wrote in message
news:1086664598.810022@sj-nntpcache-3...
> The trick is knowing which items are loose. I had not checked that
> the seat cushion was clipped in. However in future it will be
> clipped OUT!
>
> And then there are the unintentional aerobatics, like the time I
> hit a violent rotor and lost 2000' in 10-15 secs. Most things
> came safely back down, but my E6B lodged somewhere and
> got me on short final. Since then I am very careful about the
> baggage net - although it wouldn't affect the E6B.
>
> John
>

John,
I should add that when I got smacked by the E6B it was my second time out to
do spins,at my request, with my CFI. It was in the schools C152 and I KNEW
we kept that E6B in the seat pocket and we took it out the first time, hell
we even took the checklist and POH out.
It told me that at 30+hrs, I was getting cocky and complacent.

I never would have thought about the seat cushion as it is "part" of the
plane.

As for the unintentional aerobatics, I too got hit during my 2nd X-country.
Map,E6B and me laying across the right seat (due to a loosened lap belt)
after cracking my head on the top of the cabin, and no, my head didn't
damage the plane...;-)

Marty

[Jack Allison]

> On a serious note, something as simple sounding as this, could very well
> have been the straw that broke the camel's back (in a chain of errors) and
> gotten me....well....very dead.
>
> Sorry for the dark cloud but it's true and real,

Yes, very true, very real. During preflight, my acro CFI told me a story of
a guy in a Pitts that keeps a bent quarter around. Evidently, he went to
recover from a spin, tried to apply full opposite rudder but the rudder
pedal doesn't go beyond neutral. Enough force was applied to the rudder
pedals to bend the quarter. IIRC, the quarter had worked its way into the
tail section and lodged in a most inappropriate place.

I emptied my pockets, put everything in my flight bag (in the C-172 staying
on the ramp).

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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