No altitude nor air speed indicator, hmmmmm

[Kees Mies]

Hi all,

Since yesterday I'm a bit more confident about my piloting.
The two of us had planned a trip to an island on our north coast for
lunch.
Really looking forward to this because we had some bad weather for the
last several weeks.
So after fuelling, preflight etc. I pushed the throttle forward for
what we thought was going to be a nice day out.
Well, this was not going to happen.
Overhead the oppiste threshold I noticed that my airspeed was 45kts
and altitude 100ft, not the normal values.
Ok, I have to watch this.
10 seconds later still the same indications and no vsi either.
Ahah, a static port problem.
I mentioned to my passenger who is also a good friend that we are not
going have that lunch.
Oh, why is that?, she asks.
Well, we do not have this and that and this thing here is not working
either.
Uh, you explained that these things are important, now what?
We are going back, but do not panick as long as we keep flying there
is nothing to worry about.
So, I called the tower that we are coming back with the notion that I
do not have air speed or altitude indication.
About 5 minutes later we made a smooth landing exactly on the numbers.
Maybe a bit faster than usually and I felt the tyres touching the
runway instead of the normal feeling that we are rolling and not
flying anymore.

My passenger said that it was a nice landing all things considered and
that she was not scarred a moment just not completely at ease.

Now I know I can land my plane without instruments and I feel a lot
more safer knowing this.

Bye,
Kees

P.S. Now it is waiting for the bill from the maintenance guys.

[MLenoch]

>My passenger said that it was a nice landing all things considered and
>that she was not scarred a moment just not completely at ease.

First date?
Sounds familiar.........she's my wife now!
VL

[Bob Moore]

(Kees Mies) wrote
>
> Since yesterday I'm a bit more confident about my piloting.
> Now I know I can land my plane without instruments and I feel a lot
> more safer knowing this.

Each of my students received one full lesson in and out of the
traffic pattern with the entire instrument panel covered with a
piece of paper for the complete lesson. Of course, they had been
taught from the begining to rely on the tachometer and visual
attitude and not the airspeed indicator when landing.

Bob Moore

[Alan Gerber]

Bob Moore > wrote:
> Each of my students received one full lesson in and out of the
> traffic pattern with the entire instrument panel covered with a
> piece of paper for the complete lesson. Of course, they had been
> taught from the begining to rely on the tachometer and visual
> attitude and not the airspeed indicator when landing.

This mean's you're *not* covering the tach, right? Just the basic
six-pack?

--
Alan Gerber
gerber AT panix DOT com

[Dan Truesdell]

I had the late Mike Goulian (senior, that is) for my PPL checkride at
BED. Just before reaching abeam the numbers, he took out a sectional,
covered the entire panel, pulled the throttle, and said, "You just lost
everything. I've got the radios. Land the plane." Not a big deal as
the runway is something like 8000', but was sure an interesting experience.

A side note: Before entering the pattern, he told me that he wanted to
see a full-flap landing. On the turn to final, he "reminded" me that he
had requested a full-flap approach. (No flaps had been deployed.) I
reminded him that the 172 we were flying in had electric flaps, and if I
had, indeed, just lost everything, just how was I supposed to drop them?
A quick smile came across his face, and he responded with, "OK. You
still have a little battery left."

Bob Moore wrote:
> (Kees Mies) wrote
>
>>Since yesterday I'm a bit more confident about my piloting.
>>Now I know I can land my plane without instruments and I feel a lot
>>more safer knowing this.
>
>
> Each of my students received one full lesson in and out of the
> traffic pattern with the entire instrument panel covered with a
> piece of paper for the complete lesson. Of course, they had been
> taught from the begining to rely on the tachometer and visual
> attitude and not the airspeed indicator when landing.
>
> Bob Moore


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[Bob Moore]

Alan Gerber > wrote
> Bob Moore > wrote:
>> Each of my students received one full lesson in and out of the
>> traffic pattern with the entire instrument panel covered with a
>> piece of paper for the complete lesson. Of course, they had been
>> taught from the begining to rely on the tachometer and visual
>> attitude and not the airspeed indicator when landing.
>
> This mean's you're *not* covering the tach, right? Just the basic
> six-pack?

NO tach for that one training session....covered the whole panel.

Bob Moore

[C J Campbell]

No alternate static?

[BTIZ]

we do the same thing with our pre-solo glider students.. cover the airspeed
and altimeter at altitude and they have to get back to the runway with "what
looks and feels right"... most are high.. which is a good thing.. with
3500ft of runway.. and only needing 500ft stop... it works out

BT

"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
. 8...
> (Kees Mies) wrote
> >
> > Since yesterday I'm a bit more confident about my piloting.
> > Now I know I can land my plane without instruments and I feel a lot
> > more safer knowing this.
>
> Each of my students received one full lesson in and out of the
> traffic pattern with the entire instrument panel covered with a
> piece of paper for the complete lesson. Of course, they had been
> taught from the begining to rely on the tachometer and visual
> attitude and not the airspeed indicator when landing.
>
> Bob Moore

[Bob Gardner]

I find that after a few hours students can make power settings fairly
closely simply by listening to engine sounds...of course, headsets do not
help a darn bit.

Bob Gardner

"Alan Gerber" > wrote in message
...
> Bob Moore > wrote:
> > Each of my students received one full lesson in and out of the
> > traffic pattern with the entire instrument panel covered with a
> > piece of paper for the complete lesson. Of course, they had been
> > taught from the begining to rely on the tachometer and visual
> > attitude and not the airspeed indicator when landing.
>
> This mean's you're *not* covering the tach, right? Just the basic
> six-pack?
>
> --
> Alan Gerber
> gerber AT panix DOT com

[Bob Moore]

"Bob Gardner" > wrote

> I find that after a few hours students can make power settings fairly
> closely simply by listening to engine sounds...

.....and the throttle position. :-)

Bob Moore

[Robert M. Gary]

Bob Moore > wrote in message >...
> (Kees Mies) wrote
> >
> > Since yesterday I'm a bit more confident about my piloting.
> > Now I know I can land my plane without instruments and I feel a lot
> > more safer knowing this.
>
> Each of my students received one full lesson in and out of the
> traffic pattern with the entire instrument panel covered with a
> piece of paper for the complete lesson. Of course, they had been
> taught from the begining to rely on the tachometer and visual
> attitude and not the airspeed indicator when landing.

I also find that in our training aircraft you cannot stall on final as
long as the plane is coming down at a noticable rate. I teach my
students to "keep it coming down" rather than keep watching the
airspeed.

-Robert

[Kees Mies]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message >...
> No alternate static?

Nope, there are two static ports though.
The shop told me that it has probably something to do with larve.
They had some similar things last week.

Funny to read the other posts.
I was never thaught to do a landing without instruments.
I suppose that it is not required overhere, this being holland.

Kees.

[Peter Duniho]

"Kees Mies" > wrote in message
om...
> [...]
> Funny to read the other posts.
> I was never thaught to do a landing without instruments.
> I suppose that it is not required overhere, this being holland.

It's not required here either. But it's a good idea, and many instructors
make sure their students have done it before cutting them loose. It's not
so much that students need to be taught to do it, as it is that they need to
be shown that they already know how to do it.

Pete