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Nathan Young
June 10th 04, 01:42 PM
I once stopped at an FBO in Minneapolis with a Seneca. The lineman
brought out the JET-A truck. Scary to think what could happen if I
wasn't paying attention.

I'm sure the larger piston twins (Navajo, 421, etc) have this happen
even more often.


On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:33:00 GMT, "Helix" >
wrote:

>For more hints on Precise Flying and Safety...Click Here
>A simple test of AVGAS for Jet Fuel Contamination
>Fred H. Quarles ATP-CFII(resume)
>
>
>Fueling Safety
>
>Certain piston aircraft are particularly susceptible to mis-fueling
>incidents and you should be especially vigilant if you are flying one of
>these birds.
>
>Among them are the TURBO charged versions of many airplanes. In the desire
>to be the hottest thing going, manufacturers often labeled their aircraft
>"TURBO" or some such designation. And inadequately trained linemen thinking
>that these were kerosene burning jet airplanes of some sort often put JET
>FUEL where AVGAS should have gone.
>
>This created a lethal comgination for many unsuspecting pilots. The plane
>would start and apparently run ok, even enough for takeoff, but would start
>having engine detonation problems about the time the point of no return was
>reached on takeoff, causing a engine failure shortly after takeoff at low
>altitude, resulting in a fatal crash."
>
>This scenario has been repeated many times, usually with some pilot and
>passengers getting killed.
>
>Aero Commander aircraft seem to be particularly susceptible to this sort of
>mis-fueling, as do Piper Turbo Arrow aircraft and other airplanes with TURBO
>painted on them
>
>
>IF You Suspect Fuel Contamination
>Do NOT FLY!!!
>Check it out first.
>
>A simple way to test for jet fuel contamination of AVGAS is to take a fuel
>sample, put a drop of fuel on a piece of white paper.
>
>If there is a 5% or more concentration of jet fuel in the avgas, it will
>leave a visible oily residue, turning the paper translucent. If it is avgas
>only, the avgas will evaporate cleanly and leave no trace.
>(I developed this test and gave it to the AOPA Air Safety Foundation. It was
>later validated by NASA. You can get a copy of the report from AOPA ASF,
>Frederick Airport, Frederick, MD)
>
>Another way to avoid fueling accidents is to
>BE PRESENT EVERY SINGLE TIME WHEN YOUR PLANE IS RE-FUELED.
>NEVER TURN YOUR BACK ON THIS PROCEEDING.
>
>Always VISUALLY Check the fuel truck to be sure you are getting the
>appropriate fuel Yourself. LOOK AT THE FUEL TRUCK.
>
>Always VISUALLY CHECK THE FUEL LEVEL YOURSELF AFTER FUELING.
>(lOOK INSIDE THE TANK)
>
>ALWAYS put the fuel cap back on YOURSELF. Check that it is secure so it
>won't come loose in flight.
>
>NEVER RELY ON A LINEMAN FOR THESE PARTICULAR INSPECTIONS.
>
>The Most Common Cause of Inflight Engine Failure
>Running out of fuel is the most common cause of in flight engine failure.
>If you follow the safety procedures above, you can go a long way to
>preventing an engine failure.
>
>
>EVERY Flight
>
>(1) Watch the re-fueling. BE PRESENT while this is going on.
>(2) Visually make sure they are puttinG the right sort of fuel in the
>aircraft. (the truck is marked AVGAS or JET FUEL.... Look at it
>(3) Look in the tank after the fueling and KNOW what the fuel level is.
>(4) ALWAYS Put the fuel cap back on YOURSELF. Make sure it is aligned
>properly and closes properly.
>If it comes loose your fuel will siphon out without your being aware of what
>is happening.
>(5) Keep a LARGE RESERVE of fuel. The lower your experience level the more
>important this is.
>It gives you the luxury of time to sort out a problem if you are lost,
>dis-oriented, or otherwise have a time consuming problem in flight. If you
>are low on fuel, your anxiety level will increase exponentially, making it
>difficult to think under stress and increase your chance of an accident.
>
>After my first experience long ago in nearly running out of gas, I have made
>it a practice, to KEEP ONE FULL TANK in reserve. I use a little bit of it in
>flight to confirm it is not contaminated and I when I am sure it is ok, I
>use it for the next takeoff and keep the other tank full for the next leg.
>This way, I minimize further the chance of getting caught by surprise,
>either on takeoff or landing, with contaminated fuel.
>
>Losing an engine on takeoff, at night, or on landing is VERY DISCONCERTING.
>
>Today's navigation equipment makes it possible to navigate more precisely.
>However this stuff can and does fail. If you are low on fuel when it happens
>(the usual situation), then your chance for running out of gas goes way up.
>
>This is even more true at night, in haze, or limited visibility conditions
>
>

>Fred H. Quarles ATP-CFII (resume)
>888-595-9131
>http://IFRGROUNDSCHOOL.cjb.net
>http://10day.cjb.net
>http://go.to/hints
>http://ferrypilot.cjb.net
>

Vigo
June 10th 04, 03:15 PM
This happens lots with turbine conversions.
"Nathan Young" > wrote in message
...
> I once stopped at an FBO in Minneapolis with a Seneca. The lineman
> brought out the JET-A truck. Scary to think what could happen if I
> wasn't paying attention.
>
> I'm sure the larger piston twins (Navajo, 421, etc) have this happen
> even more often.
>
>
> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:33:00 GMT, "Helix" >
> wrote:
>
> >For more hints on Precise Flying and Safety...Click Here
> >A simple test of AVGAS for Jet Fuel Contamination
> >Fred H. Quarles ATP-CFII(resume)
> >
> >
> >Fueling Safety
> >
> >Certain piston aircraft are particularly susceptible to mis-fueling
> >incidents and you should be especially vigilant if you are flying one of
> >these birds.
> >
> >Among them are the TURBO charged versions of many airplanes. In the
desire
> >to be the hottest thing going, manufacturers often labeled their aircraft
> >"TURBO" or some such designation. And inadequately trained linemen
thinking
> >that these were kerosene burning jet airplanes of some sort often put JET
> >FUEL where AVGAS should have gone.
> >
> >This created a lethal comgination for many unsuspecting pilots. The plane
> >would start and apparently run ok, even enough for takeoff, but would
start
> >having engine detonation problems about the time the point of no return
was
> >reached on takeoff, causing a engine failure shortly after takeoff at low
> >altitude, resulting in a fatal crash."
> >
> >This scenario has been repeated many times, usually with some pilot and
> >passengers getting killed.
> >
> >Aero Commander aircraft seem to be particularly susceptible to this sort
of
> >mis-fueling, as do Piper Turbo Arrow aircraft and other airplanes with
TURBO
> >painted on them
> >
> >
> >IF You Suspect Fuel Contamination
> >Do NOT FLY!!!
> >Check it out first.
> >
> >A simple way to test for jet fuel contamination of AVGAS is to take a
fuel
> >sample, put a drop of fuel on a piece of white paper.
> >
> >If there is a 5% or more concentration of jet fuel in the avgas, it will
> >leave a visible oily residue, turning the paper translucent. If it is
avgas
> >only, the avgas will evaporate cleanly and leave no trace.
> >(I developed this test and gave it to the AOPA Air Safety Foundation. It
was
> >later validated by NASA. You can get a copy of the report from AOPA ASF,
> >Frederick Airport, Frederick, MD)
> >
> >Another way to avoid fueling accidents is to
> >BE PRESENT EVERY SINGLE TIME WHEN YOUR PLANE IS RE-FUELED.
> >NEVER TURN YOUR BACK ON THIS PROCEEDING.
> >
> >Always VISUALLY Check the fuel truck to be sure you are getting the
> >appropriate fuel Yourself. LOOK AT THE FUEL TRUCK.
> >
> >Always VISUALLY CHECK THE FUEL LEVEL YOURSELF AFTER FUELING.
> >(lOOK INSIDE THE TANK)
> >
> >ALWAYS put the fuel cap back on YOURSELF. Check that it is secure so it
> >won't come loose in flight.
> >
> >NEVER RELY ON A LINEMAN FOR THESE PARTICULAR INSPECTIONS.
> >
> >The Most Common Cause of Inflight Engine Failure
> >Running out of fuel is the most common cause of in flight engine failure.
> >If you follow the safety procedures above, you can go a long way to
> >preventing an engine failure.
> >
> >
> >EVERY Flight
> >
> >(1) Watch the re-fueling. BE PRESENT while this is going on.
> >(2) Visually make sure they are puttinG the right sort of fuel in the
> >aircraft. (the truck is marked AVGAS or JET FUEL.... Look at it
> >(3) Look in the tank after the fueling and KNOW what the fuel level is.
> >(4) ALWAYS Put the fuel cap back on YOURSELF. Make sure it is aligned
> >properly and closes properly.
> >If it comes loose your fuel will siphon out without your being aware of
what
> >is happening.
> >(5) Keep a LARGE RESERVE of fuel. The lower your experience level the
more
> >important this is.
> >It gives you the luxury of time to sort out a problem if you are lost,
> >dis-oriented, or otherwise have a time consuming problem in flight. If
you
> >are low on fuel, your anxiety level will increase exponentially, making
it
> >difficult to think under stress and increase your chance of an accident.
> >
> >After my first experience long ago in nearly running out of gas, I have
made
> >it a practice, to KEEP ONE FULL TANK in reserve. I use a little bit of it
in
> >flight to confirm it is not contaminated and I when I am sure it is ok, I
> >use it for the next takeoff and keep the other tank full for the next
leg.
> >This way, I minimize further the chance of getting caught by surprise,
> >either on takeoff or landing, with contaminated fuel.
> >
> >Losing an engine on takeoff, at night, or on landing is VERY
DISCONCERTING.
> >
> >Today's navigation equipment makes it possible to navigate more
precisely.
> >However this stuff can and does fail. If you are low on fuel when it
happens
> >(the usual situation), then your chance for running out of gas goes way
up.
> >
> >This is even more true at night, in haze, or limited visibility
conditions
> >
> >
>
> >Fred H. Quarles ATP-CFII (resume)
> >888-595-9131
> >http://IFRGROUNDSCHOOL.cjb.net
> >http://10day.cjb.net
> >http://go.to/hints
> >http://ferrypilot.cjb.net
> >
>

Morgans
June 11th 04, 03:53 AM
"Vigo" > wrote in message
...
> This happens lots with turbine conversions.

Damn, dude, - TRIM. That was a 6k post for 6 words.
--
Jim in NC


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Paul Sengupta
June 14th 04, 04:43 PM
"Nathan Young" > wrote in message
...
> I once stopped at an FBO in Minneapolis with a Seneca. The lineman
> brought out the JET-A truck. Scary to think what could happen if I
> wasn't paying attention.
>
> I'm sure the larger piston twins (Navajo, 421, etc) have this happen
> even more often.

There's going to be an even bigger problem now with diesel
piston engines starting to become more common in GA.

Paul

Bob Chilcoat
June 14th 04, 06:13 PM
Particularly when there are Spam Cans with diesel conversions. "You want
Jet-A in that Skyhawk!? Are you crazy?"

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love
America

"Paul Sengupta" > wrote in message
...
> "Nathan Young" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I once stopped at an FBO in Minneapolis with a Seneca. The lineman
> > brought out the JET-A truck. Scary to think what could happen if I
> > wasn't paying attention.
> >
> > I'm sure the larger piston twins (Navajo, 421, etc) have this happen
> > even more often.
>
> There's going to be an even bigger problem now with diesel
> piston engines starting to become more common in GA.
>
> Paul
>
>

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