Busted TFR

[Bela P. Havasreti]

Somebody just busted the presidential TFR
near Seattle (F-16s escorted the offender back
to Crest Airpark (S36).

If you don't watch TV, always check the NOTAMS / TFRs
before ya fly!

Bela P. Havasreti

[C J Campbell]

"Bela P. Havasreti" > wrote in message
...
> Somebody just busted the presidential TFR
> near Seattle (F-16s escorted the offender back
> to Crest Airpark (S36).
>
> If you don't watch TV, always check the NOTAMS / TFRs
> before ya fly!

Not good enough. The TFR time was extended by two hours less than five
minutes before the TFR was supposed to expire. Granted, this pilot was not
caught by that, but it is a miracle that several others were not.

The answer is to get rid of the TFRs. It is the only answer.

[Cub Driver]

There is a good "Never Again!" article in AOPA Pilot in the recent
edition, which I just got around to reading, on the subject of busting
the DC ADIZ.

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:27:18 GMT, Bela P. Havasreti
> wrote:

>Somebody just busted the presidential TFR
>near Seattle (F-16s escorted the offender back
>to Crest Airpark (S36).
>
>If you don't watch TV, always check the NOTAMS / TFRs
>before ya fly!
>
>Bela P. Havasreti

all the best -- Dan Ford
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[David Brooks]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Bela P. Havasreti" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Somebody just busted the presidential TFR
> > near Seattle (F-16s escorted the offender back
> > to Crest Airpark (S36).
> >
> > If you don't watch TV, always check the NOTAMS / TFRs
> > before ya fly!
>
> Not good enough. The TFR time was extended by two hours less than five
> minutes before the TFR was supposed to expire. Granted, this pilot was not
> caught by that, but it is a miracle that several others were not.
>
> The answer is to get rid of the TFRs. It is the only answer.

I didn't see the NOTAM (I wasn't flying that day anyway). Was it centered on
Fort Lewis?

-- David Brooks

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:54:22 -0700, "David Brooks"
> wrote:

>"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Bela P. Havasreti" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Somebody just busted the presidential TFR
>> > near Seattle (F-16s escorted the offender back
>> > to Crest Airpark (S36).
>> >
>> > If you don't watch TV, always check the NOTAMS / TFRs
>> > before ya fly!
>>
>> Not good enough. The TFR time was extended by two hours less than five
>> minutes before the TFR was supposed to expire. Granted, this pilot was not
>> caught by that, but it is a miracle that several others were not.
>>
>> The answer is to get rid of the TFRs. It is the only answer.
>
>I didn't see the NOTAM (I wasn't flying that day anyway). Was it centered on
>Fort Lewis?
>
>-- David Brooks
>

It was a moving target (depending upon where his royal highness was
at the time). After listening to the briefer attempt to explain the
whole thing, I just interrupted him and said "Lemme make this easy
for you.... What time does the thing start and when does it end?
I'll just plan on not flying during that time period".

I did fly later that afternoon, but called FSS again to ask/verify if
it was OK for me to go flying.

I agree the best solution is to get rid of these stupid things....

Bela P. Havasreti

[C J Campbell]

"Bela P. Havasreti" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:54:22 -0700, "David Brooks"
> > wrote:
>
> >"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> "Bela P. Havasreti" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Somebody just busted the presidential TFR
> >> > near Seattle (F-16s escorted the offender back
> >> > to Crest Airpark (S36).
> >> >
> >> > If you don't watch TV, always check the NOTAMS / TFRs
> >> > before ya fly!
> >>
> >> Not good enough. The TFR time was extended by two hours less than five
> >> minutes before the TFR was supposed to expire. Granted, this pilot was
not
> >> caught by that, but it is a miracle that several others were not.
> >>
> >> The answer is to get rid of the TFRs. It is the only answer.
> >
> >I didn't see the NOTAM (I wasn't flying that day anyway). Was it centered
on
> >Fort Lewis?
> >
> >-- David Brooks
> >
>
> It was a moving target (depending upon where his royal highness was
> at the time).

No, there were just two TFRs, one centered on Boeing Field and the other
centered on Gray. The one at BFI became active before AF 1 landed there and
stayed active until AF 1 departed for Gray. The one at Gray became active
when the President arrived there in the morning and ended when AF 1 picked
him up and departed. It was the TFR at Gray that was extended without
warning.

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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:54:22 -0700, "David Brooks"
> wrote:

>I didn't see the NOTAM (I wasn't flying that day anyway). Was it centered on
>Fort Lewis?

I did fly that afternoon around 4PM. Couldn't get through to the FSS, but
tracked Bush's travel from the news. NOTAMs vanished from the AOPA and site on
the original timeline.

There were 2 30 nm TFRs. One centered around Boeing Field (BFI) that popped up
for Bush's arrival and departure, and one centered on Fort Lewis that lasted
pretty much the entire time he was here:

Centered on 473148N 1221807W: (Boeing Field - BFI)
30-nm-radius TFR up to 17,999-ft-MSL with inner 10-nm-radius no-fly zone up to
17,999-ft-MSL
Effective times:
2010 local until 2115 local, June 17
1130 local until 1235 local, June 18

Centered on 470509N 1223439W: (Fort Lewis - Gray AAF)
30-nm-radius TFR up to 17,999-ft-MSL with inner 10-nm-radius no-fly zone up to
17,999-ft-MSL
Effective time:
2040 local June 17 until 1200 local June 18