Private Pilot License in 10 days!

[Gilan]

http://www.perfectplanes.com/10day.html

http://www.mitchellwing.com



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[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:02:41 GMT, "Gilan" > wrote:

>http://www.perfectplanes.com/10day.html
>

I wouldn't have thought it possible. Like you said, it's not for
everyone. It's sort of the antitheses of the JFK Jr. method. :-)

[tony roberts]

Dead in eleven!

Tony
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Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument :)
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[kontiki]

I could see having someone solo in 10 days... but going from ground zero
to a pilots license in 10 days sounds overly optimistic to me.

Granted there may be one or two people that are so exceptionally gifted
so as to consume, understand and apply all of the aeronautical knowledge
necessary in 10 days.... but the majority of people won't.


Gilan wrote:
> http://www.perfectplanes.com/10day.html
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> http://www.mitchellwing.com
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[Jonathan]

Gilan wrote:

> http://www.perfectplanes.com/10day.html
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> http://www.mitchellwing.com
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I dont buy it. How can you get the necessary experience required? Maybe
10 days to solo and pass the written, but to have your PPL - seems a bit
much! :)

--
Jonathan,

www.virtual-hangar.com

[gatt]

"kontiki" > wrote in message news:LnAGc.21

> I could see having someone solo in 10 days... but going from ground zero
> to a pilots license in 10 days sounds overly optimistic to me.

....and criminally irresponsible to me.

-c

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jonathan wrote:
>
> I dont buy it. How can you get the necessary experience required? Maybe
> 10 days to solo and pass the written, but to have your PPL - seems a bit
> much! :)

I prowled around the web site and found this page -
http://www.perfectplanes.com/about_nn4.html

This provides the costs for the minimum FAA flight time (40 hours) and the claim that
their students are averaging 48 hours. They say it can be done in "as little as ten
days." The footnote at the bottom of the page says the cost does not include ground
school, the exam, or the checkride.

I would bet that that 10 day deal includes only the 40 hours of flight time and does
not include study for the written.

George Patterson
In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.
In Tennessee, it's evangelism.

[Jonathan]

G.R. Patterson III wrote:
> I prowled around the web site and found this page -
> http://www.perfectplanes.com/about_nn4.html
>
> This provides the costs for the minimum FAA flight time (40 hours) and the claim that
> their students are averaging 48 hours. They say it can be done in "as little as ten
> days." The footnote at the bottom of the page says the cost does not include ground
> school, the exam, or the checkride.
>
> I would bet that that 10 day deal includes only the 40 hours of flight time and does
> not include study for the written.
>
> George Patterson
> In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.
> In Tennessee, it's evangelism.

That would make a lot more sense! :)
--
Jonathan,

www.virtual-hangar.com

[gatt]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message

> I would bet that that 10 day deal includes only the 40 hours of flight
time and does
> not include study for the written.

I just can't imagine going from zero hours to flying 4+ hours a day, ten
days straight, excluding all the pre- and post-flight instruction and
review, without melting down. A person could learn the mechanics of flying
an airplane, (in whatever weather and other conditions exist in that ten-day
period) but I sure wouldn't stake my life or the lives of passengers on it.

I got the same offer for IFR-in-ten-days. 75% through my IFR training right
now, 155 hours logged, and there's just no way. And I already know how to
fly the airplane, triangulate positions with VOR radials, talk to ATC, land
in a crosswind, etc...

-c

[gatt]

"tony roberts" > wrote in message
news:nospam-428C72.22340705072004@shawnews...
> Dead in eleven!

Exactly. My response was going to be "Pilot at ten, news at eleven."

-c

[Shirley]

"gatt" gatt wrote:

>I just can't imagine going from zero hours to
>flying 4+ hours a day, ten days straight, excluding
>all the pre- and post-flight instruction and review,
>without melting down.

I'm admittedly slower than most, but it took me two weeks to just complete the
four cross-countries (dual day and night and short and long solo). It takes a
while to just learn how to select a route and to plan and map them out, let
alone the time to make each flight and debrief afterward to understand and
apply what was learned to the next one. From start *to finish* in 10 days ...
how could you possibly have enough time to study on your own time when not
flying AND get enough SLEEP to stay sharp enough to learn and remember all
there is to learn at that extremely accelerated rate? Are we talking about your
average human here???

--Shirley

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:34:58 -0700, "gatt"
> wrote:

>"tony roberts" > wrote in message
>news:nospam-428C72.22340705072004@shawnews...
>> Dead in eleven!
>
>Exactly. My response was going to be "Pilot at ten, news at eleven."
>
>-c

I wonder how many hours, on average, the military pilots who were
trained during WWII accumulated before they got their wings?

I know I know, there was a war on and pilots were desperately needed
but still.

I know that towards the end of the war, neither Germany nor Japan had
enough fuel to train like they did at the beginning of the war and
pilots were tossed into combat with extraordinarily few hours. During
the Battle of Britain, some of the British pilots were fresh out of
training and only had a few hours in type, and no training firing
their machine guns at all. Many of these pilots were killed during
their first or second sortie, if they saw combat.

[gatt]

> wrote in message

> I wonder how many hours, on average, the military pilots who were
> trained during WWII accumulated before they got their wings?

Not sure about "wings" exactly, but the bomber pilots coming in by 1944 and
1945 were called "90-day wonders."

-c

[NW_PILOT]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Jonathan wrote:
> >
> > I dont buy it. How can you get the necessary experience required? Maybe
> > 10 days to solo and pass the written, but to have your PPL - seems a bit
> > much! :)
>
> I prowled around the web site and found this page -
> http://www.perfectplanes.com/about_nn4.html
>
> This provides the costs for the minimum FAA flight time (40 hours) and the
claim that
> their students are averaging 48 hours. They say it can be done in "as
little as ten
> days." The footnote at the bottom of the page says the cost does not
include ground
> school, the exam, or the checkride.
>
> I would bet that that 10 day deal includes only the 40 hours of flight
time and does
> not include study for the written.
>
> George Patterson
> In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony
assault.
> In Tennessee, it's evangelism.


I think all that place dose is sign them off for the practical test and then
offers them a choice of DE's ranging from $150 to $500 and ill bet that they
are inbed with the $500 DE to make sure every one passes on the second check
a quick way for them to make $1,000 x 3 to 4 suckers a month you do the
math.

These are my opinions only!

[Roger Halstead]

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:46:00 -0400,
wrote:

>On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:34:58 -0700, "gatt"
> wrote:
>
>>"tony roberts" > wrote in message
>>news:nospam-428C72.22340705072004@shawnews...
>>> Dead in eleven!
>>
>>Exactly. My response was going to be "Pilot at ten, news at eleven."
>>
>>-c
>
>I wonder how many hours, on average, the military pilots who were
>trained during WWII accumulated before they got their wings?

I've read some news articles (which I can not verify the accuracy)
that said toward the end of the war some pilots went into combat
shortly after solo.with far less time than required for the PPL in the
US now days.

Desperate time bring desperate measures.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>I know I know, there was a war on and pilots were desperately needed
>but still.
>
>I know that towards the end of the war, neither Germany nor Japan had
>enough fuel to train like they did at the beginning of the war and
>pilots were tossed into combat with extraordinarily few hours. During
>the Battle of Britain, some of the British pilots were fresh out of
>training and only had a few hours in type, and no training firing
>their machine guns at all. Many of these pilots were killed during
>their first or second sortie, if they saw combat.

[zip777]

I would not question their ability to fly their planes but let me know
where the 10-days pilots fly and I'll avoid that airport.

[JohnT.]

The average United States pilot in WWII had a couple hundred hours, at
least, some more, before going overseas. Then there was sometimes
familarization (sp) flights, which also included going with an
experienced crew for one or two missions (in case of bomber pilots)
before taking over in their own plane.

The Battle of Britian pilots had it worse. Many had like 10 hours or
even less in type (spit or hurri) before entering combat!

As for the thread subject, I agree, 10 days for a PPL is too fast. It
makes more sense as a "finish up" type course, like many of the
IFR-in-a-week courses are. Thats where you already have most of your
hours, and need to polish up, take the written, etc. That sort of thing.

John

[John Fitzpatrick]

Imagining going up to an FAA examiner for your PPL flight test and
telling him you just started flying 10 day's ago. I loved to be around to
see the look on his face.

[Andrew Gideon]

John Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Imagining going up to an FAA examiner for your PPL flight test and
> telling him you just started flying 10 day's ago. I loved to be around to
> see the look on his face.

Just as long as the response isn't "hey; so did I!".

- Andrew

[Steve Foley]

I got mine in two days!

(48 hours / 24 hours per day = 2 days)


"Gilan" > wrote in message
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> http://www.perfectplanes.com/10day.html
>
> http://www.mitchellwing.com
>
>
>
> --
> Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
> See ya on Sport Aircraft group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/
>
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