Flashing green

[Robert M. Gary]

I just flew my Mooney up to Vancouver (this is somewhat aviation
related). When I got there I noticed that sometimes the traffic lights
were just green and other times they were flashing green. I asked many
locals what the difference was and none of them knew. Some thought it
was related to the crosswalks but I noted no cooreleation between an
intersection having a crosswalk or having someone pushing the walk
button and the flashing. Perhaps I'm just being a nerdy engineer but
I'm really curious if anyone in Canada knows what this means.

-Robert

[BillC85]

Sometimes it means the light is getting ready to turn red.


"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> I just flew my Mooney up to Vancouver (this is somewhat aviation
> related). When I got there I noticed that sometimes the traffic lights
> were just green and other times they were flashing green. I asked many
> locals what the difference was and none of them knew. Some thought it
> was related to the crosswalks but I noted no cooreleation between an
> intersection having a crosswalk or having someone pushing the walk
> button and the flashing. Perhaps I'm just being a nerdy engineer but
> I'm really curious if anyone in Canada knows what this means.
>
> -Robert

[Canada Mickey]

If it was a flashing green arrow it just flashes to get your attention. If
it was a solid flashing green that is an advanced green meaning you can make
left turns and oposite trafic is still on a red light.

I am surprised none of the locals don't know what it means as that would be
one of the basic questions on a driving exam.

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> I just flew my Mooney up to Vancouver (this is somewhat aviation
> related). When I got there I noticed that sometimes the traffic lights
> were just green and other times they were flashing green. I asked many
> locals what the difference was and none of them knew. Some thought it
> was related to the crosswalks but I noted no cooreleation between an
> intersection having a crosswalk or having someone pushing the walk
> button and the flashing. Perhaps I'm just being a nerdy engineer but
> I'm really curious if anyone in Canada knows what this means.
>
> -Robert

[Milen Lazarov]

Flashing green means that the crossing traffic has a stop sign (or a
flashing red, which is the same) instead of a red light. You still have
right of way but you can expect cars coming out of the side streets
turning left or right.
At some intersections there are no lights at all for the crossing
traffic, just a stop sign. At others, most of the time the lights will
stay in this mode on the main street and would change to red only if
there's a real backup on the cross streets.

-Milen


Robert M. Gary wrote:
> I just flew my Mooney up to Vancouver (this is somewhat aviation
> related). When I got there I noticed that sometimes the traffic lights
> were just green and other times they were flashing green. I asked many
> locals what the difference was and none of them knew. Some thought it
> was related to the crosswalks but I noted no cooreleation between an
> intersection having a crosswalk or having someone pushing the walk
> button and the flashing. Perhaps I'm just being a nerdy engineer but
> I'm really curious if anyone in Canada knows what this means.
>
> -Robert

[gatt]

"Milen Lazarov" > wrote in message
...
> Flashing green means that the crossing traffic has a stop sign (or a
> flashing red, which is the same) instead of a red light. You still have
> right of way but you can expect cars coming out of the side streets
> turning left or right.

The average American driver could not figure that out. I was nearly hit
today by an 18-wheeler who ran a red light. I looked up at the driver and
he was laughing and jawjacking on his cellphone, operating the rig with one
hand.

-c

[Robert M. Gary]

Milen Lazarov > wrote in message >...
> Flashing green means that the crossing traffic has a stop sign (or a
> flashing red, which is the same) instead of a red light. You still have
> right of way but you can expect cars coming out of the side streets
> turning left or right.
> At some intersections there are no lights at all for the crossing
> traffic, just a stop sign. At others, most of the time the lights will
> stay in this mode on the main street and would change to red only if
> there's a real backup on the cross streets.
>
Ok, that makes sense. So you have a green to go (I figured that out
watching others) but the cross traffic does not have a solid red (i.e.
they may go if they think they can). Thanks!
-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

"BillC85" > wrote in message >...
> Sometimes it means the light is getting ready to turn red.

I thought that was what yellow was. They should provide a book on this
stuff before they rent you a car. :)

[Robert M. Gary]

"BillC85" > wrote in message >...
> Sometimes it means the light is getting ready to turn red.

I thought that was what yellow was. They should provide a book on this
stuff before they rent you a car. :)

[Icebound]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> Milen Lazarov > wrote in message
>...
> > Flashing green means that the crossing traffic has a stop sign (or a
> > flashing red, which is the same) instead of a red light. You still have
> > right of way but you can expect cars coming out of the side streets
> > turning left or right.
> > At some intersections there are no lights at all for the crossing
> > traffic, just a stop sign. At others, most of the time the lights will
> > stay in this mode on the main street and would change to red only if
> > there's a real backup on the cross streets.
> >
> Ok, that makes sense. So you have a green to go (I figured that out
> watching others) but the cross traffic does not have a solid red (i.e.
> they may go if they think they can). Thanks!
> -Robert

Just be aware of the following:

Nearly everywhere in Canada, a flashing green means opposing traffic is on a
red and you have a free left turn (and, of course, a free straight through
like a normal green). This will be a fairly rapid flash, more that 1 flash
per second.

But some years ago I came across a distinctly SLOW flashing green, like 1
per second or slower, which was used in a manner identical to what we would
associate with a flashing YELLOW: "proceed with caution ...cross traffic
has a flashing red, but since opposing traffic has the flashing yellow (or
slow green) as well, and *you must yield on left turns to the opposing
traffic* as per normal".

I admit that this has been fifteen years ago or more and I hope the
slow-green practice has been discontinued and totally replaced with yellows.

[Icebound]

"Milen Lazarov" > wrote in message
...
> Flashing green means that the crossing traffic has a stop sign (or a
> flashing red, which is the same) instead of a red light. You still have
> right of way but you can expect cars coming out of the side streets
> turning left or right.
> At some intersections there are no lights at all for the crossing
> traffic, just a stop sign. At others, most of the time the lights will
> stay in this mode on the main street and would change to red only if
> there's a real backup on the cross streets.
>

Everybody in the world uses flashing yellow for this. Are you saying BC
still uses green???

[Andrew Sarangan]

A flashing green is the same as a left turn green arrow. I have seen this
all over Canada.


(Robert M. Gary) wrote in
om:

> I just flew my Mooney up to Vancouver (this is somewhat aviation
> related). When I got there I noticed that sometimes the traffic lights
> were just green and other times they were flashing green. I asked many
> locals what the difference was and none of them knew. Some thought it
> was related to the crosswalks but I noted no cooreleation between an
> intersection having a crosswalk or having someone pushing the walk
> button and the flashing. Perhaps I'm just being a nerdy engineer but
> I'm really curious if anyone in Canada knows what this means.
>
> -Robert

[Dan Thompson]

Flashing green means cleared to taxi for aircraft on ground and return for
landing for aircraft in flight. What kind of pilot's license did you say
you have?

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> I just flew my Mooney up to Vancouver (this is somewhat aviation
> related). When I got there I noticed that sometimes the traffic lights
> were just green and other times they were flashing green. I asked many
> locals what the difference was and none of them knew. Some thought it
> was related to the crosswalks but I noted no cooreleation between an
> intersection having a crosswalk or having someone pushing the walk
> button and the flashing. Perhaps I'm just being a nerdy engineer but
> I'm really curious if anyone in Canada knows what this means.
>
> -Robert

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Dan Thompson" > wrote in message
. ..
> Flashing green means cleared to taxi for aircraft on ground and return for
> landing for aircraft in flight. What kind of pilot's license did you say
> you have?

What does his pilots have to do with TRAFFIC lights?

>
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I just flew my Mooney up to Vancouver (this is somewhat aviation
> > related). When I got there I noticed that sometimes the traffic lights
> > were just green and other times they were flashing green. I asked many
> > locals what the difference was and none of them knew. Some thought it
> > was related to the crosswalks but I noted no cooreleation between an
> > intersection having a crosswalk or having someone pushing the walk
> > button and the flashing. Perhaps I'm just being a nerdy engineer but
> > I'm really curious if anyone in Canada knows what this means.
> >
> > -Robert
>
>

[SFM]

Flashing Green is when the light have changed from Red and mean that it is
ok to proceed but do so cautiously as the other direction just got the red.



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"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> I just flew my Mooney up to Vancouver (this is somewhat aviation
> related). When I got there I noticed that sometimes the traffic lights
> were just green and other times they were flashing green. I asked many
> locals what the difference was and none of them knew. Some thought it
> was related to the crosswalks but I noted no cooreleation between an
> intersection having a crosswalk or having someone pushing the walk
> button and the flashing. Perhaps I'm just being a nerdy engineer but
> I'm really curious if anyone in Canada knows what this means.
>
> -Robert

[BillC85]

Yah, I think I was in Mexico when I saw the flashing green to red thing.

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> "BillC85" > wrote in message
>...
> > Sometimes it means the light is getting ready to turn red.
>
> I thought that was what yellow was. They should provide a book on this
> stuff before they rent you a car. :)

[BillC85]

It was a JOKE.

"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dan Thompson" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Flashing green means cleared to taxi for aircraft on ground and return
for
> > landing for aircraft in flight. What kind of pilot's license did you
say
> > you have?
>
> What does his pilots have to do with TRAFFIC lights?
>
> >
> > "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > I just flew my Mooney up to Vancouver (this is somewhat aviation
> > > related). When I got there I noticed that sometimes the traffic lights
> > > were just green and other times they were flashing green. I asked many
> > > locals what the difference was and none of them knew. Some thought it
> > > was related to the crosswalks but I noted no cooreleation between an
> > > intersection having a crosswalk or having someone pushing the walk
> > > button and the flashing. Perhaps I'm just being a nerdy engineer but
> > > I'm really curious if anyone in Canada knows what this means.
> > >
> > > -Robert
> >
> >
>
>

[m pautz]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> I just flew my Mooney up to Vancouver (this is somewhat aviation
> related). When I got there I noticed that sometimes the traffic lights
> were just green and other times they were flashing green. I asked many
> locals what the difference was and none of them knew. Some thought it
> was related to the crosswalks but I noted no cooreleation between an
> intersection having a crosswalk or having someone pushing the walk
> button and the flashing. Perhaps I'm just being a nerdy engineer but
> I'm really curious if anyone in Canada knows what this means.
>
> -Robert
After reading the many previous posts, it is obvious that the flashing
green doesn't have a definitive answer. The flashing green system
really doesn't help if everyone thinks it means something different.

Back when I took drivers-ed in the 60's, the book referenced "old"
traffic lights that only had a green and a red. A flashing green was
used to indicate the meaning of the modern yellow light. This was in
the US, not Canada. I never saw this system in the US, but maybe Canada
implemented the same system and never got rid of it.

[Rolf Blom]

On 2004-07-09 01:56, Icebound wrote:
> "Milen Lazarov" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Flashing green means that the crossing traffic has a stop sign (or a
>>flashing red, which is the same) instead of a red light. You still have
>>right of way but you can expect cars coming out of the side streets
>>turning left or right.
>>At some intersections there are no lights at all for the crossing
>>traffic, just a stop sign. At others, most of the time the lights will
>>stay in this mode on the main street and would change to red only if
>>there's a real backup on the cross streets.
>>
>
>
> Everybody in the world uses flashing yellow for this. Are you saying BC
> still uses green???
>
>

The whole world doesn't seem to include Sweden; here a flashing yellow
warns that some of the streetlights in the crossing are inoperable.
(then rules for unguarded crossings apply)

btw. "IFR" I've also heard explained as "I Follow the Road", but I've
seldom flown so low I needed to worry about the streetlights.

/Rolf

[Peter Weaver]

m pautz wrote:
>...
> After reading the many previous posts, it is obvious that the flashing
> green doesn't have a definitive answer. The flashing green system
> really doesn't help if everyone thinks it means something different.
>...

No, the flashing green in British Columbia has a definitive answer (see
http://www.icbc.com/Licensing/PDFs-CommVeh/MV2677%20ch8web.pdf for the
answer if you really care to know). Just people are posting what a
flashing green in their area of the world means, or they are posting
what they think a flashing green means or they are posting what a
flashing green used to mean years ago. What else would you expect when
you ask a question in a newsgroup?

Q. What type of plane did they use for the MIG in Top Gun?
A1. The F-14 shots in that movie were great.
A2. Are they ever going to make a Top Gun II?
A3. They weren't real MIGs you know.
A4. They were Spitfires with a special paint job.
A5. I flew a F-4 during my service, that was the best plane they ever
made.
A6. A MIG 29 could shoot down a F-14 any day.
A7. Could not.
A8. Could too.
A9. Not.
A10. You can ride a MIG for a few $10,000 in Russia.
A11. Cruise did a better job in Rain Man.

--
Peter Weaver
Weaver Consulting Services Inc.
Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX
www.weaverconsulting.ca

[Robert M. Gary]

"Dan Thompson" > wrote in message >...
> Flashing green means cleared to taxi for aircraft on ground and return for
> landing for aircraft in flight. What kind of pilot's license did you say
> you have?

I just hold a California class C non-commercial. I did consider
getting an M1 at one point. They seemed happy to accept it in Canada.

-Robert, CFI

[Tom Sixkiller]

"BillC85" > wrote in message
...
> It was a JOKE.

If you've never seen road traffic signals flashing, it could be a real
shocker...might make you think you're seeing things. That's what he was
talking about.

I wonder if Dan caught the distinction.

>
> "Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Dan Thompson" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > Flashing green means cleared to taxi for aircraft on ground and return
> for
> > > landing for aircraft in flight. What kind of pilot's license did you
> say
> > > you have?
> >
> > What does his pilot status have to do with TRAFFIC lights?

[Robert M. Gary]

"BillC85" > wrote in message >...
> Yah, I think I was in Mexico when I saw the flashing green to red thing.

I never saw a road in Mexico, unless you count the area of the desert
that the cars have crushed the plants. :) Mexico is prime aviation
terriory. The roads are so bad that something that takes 3 hours to
fly to often takes a week or more to drive to.

-Robert

[BillC85]

Good post and entirely true.

BTW I think they used an F-5 unless you're talking about the "simulated
MIGs". I think those were A4s.

ButIcouldbetotallywrong about both.

Bill






"Peter Weaver" > wrote in message
...
> m pautz wrote:
> >...
> > After reading the many previous posts, it is obvious that the flashing
> > green doesn't have a definitive answer. The flashing green system
> > really doesn't help if everyone thinks it means something different.
> >...
>
> No, the flashing green in British Columbia has a definitive answer (see
> http://www.icbc.com/Licensing/PDFs-CommVeh/MV2677%20ch8web.pdf for the
> answer if you really care to know). Just people are posting what a
> flashing green in their area of the world means, or they are posting
> what they think a flashing green means or they are posting what a
> flashing green used to mean years ago. What else would you expect when
> you ask a question in a newsgroup?
>
> Q. What type of plane did they use for the MIG in Top Gun?
> A1. The F-14 shots in that movie were great.
> A2. Are they ever going to make a Top Gun II?
> A3. They weren't real MIGs you know.
> A4. They were Spitfires with a special paint job.
> A5. I flew a F-4 during my service, that was the best plane they ever
> made.
> A6. A MIG 29 could shoot down a F-14 any day.
> A7. Could not.
> A8. Could too.
> A9. Not.
> A10. You can ride a MIG for a few $10,000 in Russia.
> A11. Cruise did a better job in Rain Man.
>
> --
> Peter Weaver
> Weaver Consulting Services Inc.
> Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX
> www.weaverconsulting.ca
>
>

[Icebound]

"Peter Weaver" > wrote in message
...
>
> No, the flashing green in British Columbia has a definitive answer (see
> http://www.icbc.com/Licensing/PDFs-CommVeh/MV2677%20ch8web.pdf

Yeah, too bad all the provinces don't have their rules on-line like that.
Ont wants $12.95 for the handbook.

Do you catch the odd Ontario out-of-towner, who thinks he has a free left
turn??

[Robert M. Gary]

"Peter Weaver" > wrote in message >...
> m pautz wrote:
> >...
> > After reading the many previous posts, it is obvious that the flashing
> > green doesn't have a definitive answer. The flashing green system
> > really doesn't help if everyone thinks it means something different.
> >...
>
> No, the flashing green in British Columbia has a definitive answer (see
> http://www.icbc.com/Licensing/PDFs-CommVeh/MV2677%20ch8web.pdf for the
> answer if you really care to know). Just people are posting what a
> flashing green in their area of the world means, or they are posting
> what they think a flashing green means or they are posting what a
> flashing green used to mean years ago. What else would you expect when
> you ask a question in a newsgroup?

That's interesting that it says the intersection is pedestrian
controlled. I could never correlate the existence of a cross walk with
the flashing green. There seemed to be exceptions on both sides. Sorry
I'm an engineer and prone to over analyze.

> Q. What type of plane did they use for the MIG in Top Gun?
> A1. The F-14 shots in that movie were great.
> A2. Are they ever going to make a Top Gun II?
> A3. They weren't real MIGs you know.
> A4. They were Spitfires with a special paint job.
> A5. I flew a F-4 during my service, that was the best plane they ever
> made.
> A6. A MIG 29 could shoot down a F-14 any day.
> A7. Could not.
> A8. Could too.
> A9. Not.
> A10. You can ride a MIG for a few $10,000 in Russia.
> A11. Cruise did a better job in Rain Man.

I take the average. :)

[Peter Clark]

On 9 Jul 2004 15:23:37 -0700, (Robert M. Gary) wrote:

>That's interesting that it says the intersection is pedestrian
>controlled. I could never correlate the existence of a cross walk with
>the flashing green.

Run over pedestrian with care?

[Dan Thompson]

Just as I suspected ...

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
m...
> "Dan Thompson" > wrote in message
>...
> > Flashing green means cleared to taxi for aircraft on ground and return
for
> > landing for aircraft in flight. What kind of pilot's license did you
say
> > you have?
>
> I just hold a California class C non-commercial. I did consider
> getting an M1 at one point. They seemed happy to accept it in Canada.
>
> -Robert, CFI

[lance smith]

Maybe Canadian planes don't have wings?

-lance smith



"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message >...
> "Dan Thompson" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Flashing green means cleared to taxi for aircraft on ground and return for
> > landing for aircraft in flight. What kind of pilot's license did you say
> > you have?
>
> What does his pilots have to do with TRAFFIC lights?
>
> >
> > "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > I just flew my Mooney up to Vancouver (this is somewhat aviation
> > > related). When I got there I noticed that sometimes the traffic lights
> > > were just green and other times they were flashing green. I asked many
> > > locals what the difference was and none of them knew. Some thought it
> > > was related to the crosswalks but I noted no cooreleation between an
> > > intersection having a crosswalk or having someone pushing the walk
> > > button and the flashing. Perhaps I'm just being a nerdy engineer but
> > > I'm really curious if anyone in Canada knows what this means.
> > >
> > > -Robert
> >
> >

[Teacherjh]

>>
Back when I took drivers-ed in the 60's, the book referenced "old"
traffic lights that only had a green and a red. A flashing green was
used to indicate the meaning of the modern yellow light.
<<

In my neck of the woods (NYC area) we had red and green at the same time mean
yellow. Nothing flashed.

Jose

[m pautz]

Peter Weaver wrote:
> m pautz wrote:
>
>>...
>>After reading the many previous posts, it is obvious that the flashing
>>green doesn't have a definitive answer. The flashing green system
>>really doesn't help if everyone thinks it means something different.
>>...
>
>
> No, the flashing green in British Columbia has a definitive answer (see
> http://www.icbc.com/Licensing/PDFs-CommVeh/MV2677%20ch8web.pdf for the
> answer if you really care to know). Just people are posting what a
> flashing green in their area of the world means, or they are posting
> what they think a flashing green means or they are posting what a
> flashing green used to mean years ago. What else would you expect when
> you ask a question in a newsgroup?
>
> Q. What type of plane did they use for the MIG in Top Gun?
> A1. The F-14 shots in that movie were great.
> A2. Are they ever going to make a Top Gun II?
> A3. They weren't real MIGs you know.
> A4. They were Spitfires with a special paint job.
> A5. I flew a F-4 during my service, that was the best plane they ever
> made.
> A6. A MIG 29 could shoot down a F-14 any day.
> A7. Could not.
> A8. Could too.
> A9. Not.
> A10. You can ride a MIG for a few $10,000 in Russia.
> A11. Cruise did a better job in Rain Man.
>
Very funny :-)

You forgot A12.

A12. Me too

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