Sport Pilot Final

[Gilan]

http://www.flyinggators.com/news/LSA/SPrule.html

--
Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
See ya on Sport Aircraft group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/

[Richard Isakson]

Also at:
PDF:
http://www.sportpilot.org/sportpilot_rule.pdf

WORD:
http://www.faa.gov/avr/arm/rulemaking/SportPilotRule7_19.doc

Basically:

From PART 1-DEFINITIONS AND ABBREVIATIONS
Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or
powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to meet
the following:
(1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than--

(i) 660 pounds (300 kilograms) for lighter-than-air aircraft;

(ii) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation on
water; or

(iii) 1,430 pounds (650 kilograms) for an aircraft intended for operation on
water.

(2) A maximum airspeed in level flight with maximum continuous power (VH) of
not more than 120 knots CAS under standard atmospheric conditions at sea
level.

(3) A maximum never-exceed speed (VNE) of not more than 120 knots CAS for a
glider.

(4) A maximum stalling speed or minimum steady flight speed without the use
of lift-enhancing devices (VS1) of not more than 45 knots CAS at the
aircraft's maximum certificated takeoff weight and most critical center of
gravity.

(5) A maximum seating capacity of no more than two persons, including the
pilot.

(6) A single, reciprocating engine, if powered.

(7) A fixed or ground-adjustable propeller if a powered aircraft other than
a powered glider.

(8) A fixed or autofeathering propeller system if a powered glider.

(9) A fixed-pitch, semi-rigid, teetering, two-blade rotor system, if a
gyroplane.

(10) A nonpressurized cabin, if equipped with a cabin.

(11) Fixed landing gear, except for an aircraft intended for operation on
water or a glider.

(12) Fixed or repositionable landing gear, or a hull, for an aircraft
intended for operation on water.

(13) Fixed or retractable landing gear for a glider.



And from 61.23 Medical certificates: Requirement and duration

[A medical is not required for gliders and ballons - RWI]

(c) Operations requiring either a medical certificate or U.S. driver's
license. (1) A person must hold and possess either a valid medical
certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter or a current and valid U.S.
driver's license when exercising the privileges of-

(i) A student pilot certificate while seeking sport pilot privileges in a
light-sport aircraft other than a glider or balloon;

(ii) A sport pilot certificate in a light-sport aircraft other than a glider
or balloon; or

(iii) A flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating while acting
as pilot in command or serving as a required flight crewmember of a
light-sport aircraft other than a glider or balloon.

(2) A person using a current and valid U.S. driver's license to meet the
requirements of this paragraph must--

(i) Comply with each restriction and limitation imposed by that person's
U.S. driver's license and any judicial or administrative order applying to
the operation of a motor vehicle;

(ii) Have been found eligible for the issuance of at least a third-class
airman medical certificate at the time of his or her most recent application
(if the person has applied for a medical certificate);

(iii) Not have had his or her most recently issued medical certificate (if
the person has held a medical certificate) suspended or revoked or most
recent Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate
withdrawn; and

(iv) Not know or have reason to know of any medical condition that would
make that person unable to operate a light-sport aircraft in a safe manner.

Rich

[cj]

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...

> (ii) Have been found eligible for the issuance of at least a third-class
> airman medical certificate at the time of his or her most recent
application
> (if the person has applied for a medical certificate);
>
> Rich

This is the part that affects me. I applied for a third-class about four
years ago while taking lessons. However, the FAA asked for information from
my cardiologist about my blood pressure medicine. He ignored their specific
points and wrote a rambling memo that I was fit to fly. Because I had
stopped taking lessons (we bought a house and the money got spent on silly
stuff like mortgage), I never submitted his memo. The FAA never denied me
and until a year or so ago the FAA web site showed I had submitted an
application with not additional action.

However, because I once submitted an application -the rule says "...most
recent application" - I have to get a third-class medical. Then, I can let
it lapse and start using a driver's license to fly as a sport pilot. But,
if I had bought the house a few months earlier, never applied for a
third-class medical, I could declare myself fit to fly as a sport pilot as
long as I have a driver's license.

I think someone else called this "government goo".

-cj

[Roger Long]

So you're OK to be in the other lane passing within six feet of me at a
closing rate of 120 miles an hour and repeating the event a hundred or so
times an hour but not to be off buzzing around over a field several thousand
feet away in a much lighter and more crushable machine.

Yup, makes about as much sense as anything else the government does.

--

Roger Long



"cj" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > (ii) Have been found eligible for the issuance of at least a third-class
> > airman medical certificate at the time of his or her most recent
> application
> > (if the person has applied for a medical certificate);
> >
> > Rich
>
> This is the part that affects me. I applied for a third-class about four
> years ago while taking lessons. However, the FAA asked for information
from
> my cardiologist about my blood pressure medicine. He ignored their
specific
> points and wrote a rambling memo that I was fit to fly. Because I had
> stopped taking lessons (we bought a house and the money got spent on silly
> stuff like mortgage), I never submitted his memo. The FAA never denied me
> and until a year or so ago the FAA web site showed I had submitted an
> application with not additional action.
>
> However, because I once submitted an application -the rule says "...most
> recent application" - I have to get a third-class medical. Then, I can
let
> it lapse and start using a driver's license to fly as a sport pilot. But,
> if I had bought the house a few months earlier, never applied for a
> third-class medical, I could declare myself fit to fly as a sport pilot as
> long as I have a driver's license.
>
> I think someone else called this "government goo".
>
> -cj
>
>

[Dr. Bob Lade]

I have heard conflicting reports as to whether the Ercoupe 416C would be
eligible as a LSA or not. Anyone know for sure? I see it listed as having a
t/o weight of 1260 lb. under the 1320 lb. in the newly published FAA
rules...

--

Dr. Bob Lade
Lade's Internet Service, Inc.
637 N.E. 15th Court
Cape Coral FL 33909
www.BobLade.com
239-772-1663 v/f 239-560-1631 m
"Gilan" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> http://www.flyinggators.com/news/LSA/SPrule.html
>
> --
> Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
> See ya on Sport Aircraft group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/
>
>

[Dr. Bob Lade]

I meant the Ercoupe 415C, of course <g>.

--

Dr. Bob Lade
Lade's Internet Service, Inc.
637 N.E. 15th Court
Cape Coral FL 33909
www.BobLade.com
239-772-1663 v/f 239-560-1631 m
"Dr. Bob Lade" > wrote in message
.. .
> I have heard conflicting reports as to whether the Ercoupe 416C would be
> eligible as a LSA or not. Anyone know for sure? I see it listed as having
a
> t/o weight of 1260 lb. under the 1320 lb. in the newly published FAA
> rules...
>
> --
>
> Dr. Bob Lade
> Lade's Internet Service, Inc.
> 637 N.E. 15th Court
> Cape Coral FL 33909
> www.BobLade.com
> 239-772-1663 v/f 239-560-1631 m
> "Gilan" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
> > http://www.flyinggators.com/news/LSA/SPrule.html
> >
> > --
> > Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
> > See ya on Sport Aircraft group
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/
> >
> >
>
>
>

[ET]

"Dr. Bob Lade" > wrote in
:

> I meant the Ercoupe 415C, of course <g>.
>
> --
>
> Dr. Bob Lade
> Lade's Internet Service, Inc.
> 637 N.E. 15th Court
> Cape Coral FL 33909
> www.BobLade.com
> 239-772-1663 v/f 239-560-1631 m
> "Dr. Bob Lade" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> I have heard conflicting reports as to whether the Ercoupe 416C would
>> be eligible as a LSA or not. Anyone know for sure? I see it listed as
>> having
> a
>> t/o weight of 1260 lb. under the 1320 lb. in the newly published FAA
>> rules...
>>
>> --
>>
>> Dr. Bob Lade
>> Lade's Internet Service, Inc.
>> 637 N.E. 15th Court
>> Cape Coral FL 33909
>> www.BobLade.com

Looks to me like your in....

Stall speed (clean) 48mph

LSA stall speed 45knots = approx 48.6 mph

--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

[Rich S.]

"ET" > wrote in message
...
>
> LSA stall speed 45knots = approx 48.6 mph

That would be closer to 51.7864910 mph.

Rich "The Devil is in the details" S.

[Cub Driver]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:34:05 -0700, "cj" > wrote:

>However, because I once submitted an application -the rule says "...most
>recent application" - I have to get a third-class medical.

The FAA is saying that you will need a "special issuance" and that
they will "work with" you on this. I don't know if that's good news or
bad, but it sounds as if they are willing to be more lenient this time
around.

There are several views on this posted at www.aero-news.net

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com

[Cub Driver]

>
>It's not too difficult to get a medical if you are taking blood pressure
>medication. You mainly have to show that your blood pressure is under
>control and your system is tolerating the drug well. The extra tests do
>drive the cost up though,

Most of the FAA's prohibited BP medicines bring a smile to the face of
the family doctor, who says that nobody ever prescribes them any more.

I take Diovan and the one with the long name, HCTZ I think it is
(cheap! wow! $1.85 for 90 days!). I used to take Cardura along with
the Diovan. I required no tests, only a statement from my doctor with
a list of periodic BP readings (which I took at home and gave to him)
and a list of my prescriptions. The simpler this stuff is, the better.

I had a lengthy delay before the certificate came through, four months
I think. But my following two flight physicals were completed in the
flight surgeon's office.

Actually, the FAA now seems more interested in my exercise-induced
asthma than in my blood pressure. At next physical I am to submit a
"narrative" from my doctor on this subject.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com

[Dr. Bob Lade]

Actually, 45 knots = 51.75 mph, so it looks as if the 415C should be able to
have the SLA classification. That's a good thing, cuz many of the other
"eligible" a/c are tail-draggers. The castored main gear on the Ercoupe
should make a crabbed X-wind landing fairly easy (and necessary since
auto-coordination excludes slipping.)

--

Dr. Bob Lade
Lade's Internet Service, Inc.
637 N.E. 15th Court
Cape Coral FL 33909
www.BobLade.com
239-772-1663 v/f 239-560-1631 m
"ET" > wrote in message
...
> "Dr. Bob Lade" > wrote in
> :
>
> > I meant the Ercoupe 415C, of course <g>.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dr. Bob Lade
> > Lade's Internet Service, Inc.
> > 637 N.E. 15th Court
> > Cape Coral FL 33909
> > www.BobLade.com
> > 239-772-1663 v/f 239-560-1631 m
> > "Dr. Bob Lade" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> >> I have heard conflicting reports as to whether the Ercoupe 416C would
> >> be eligible as a LSA or not. Anyone know for sure? I see it listed as
> >> having
> > a
> >> t/o weight of 1260 lb. under the 1320 lb. in the newly published FAA
> >> rules...
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Dr. Bob Lade
> >> Lade's Internet Service, Inc.
> >> 637 N.E. 15th Court
> >> Cape Coral FL 33909
> >> www.BobLade.com
>
> Looks to me like your in....
>
> Stall speed (clean) 48mph
>
> LSA stall speed 45knots = approx 48.6 mph
>
> --
> ET >:)
>
>
> "A common mistake people make when trying to design something
> completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
> fools."---- Douglas Adams
>

[dave]

Somewhat on topic, is it possible to change (lower) the gross weight
of a production aircraft? Example a piper clipper pa-16 is of course a
4 seater empty wight usually around 900 lbs, if I removed the back
seat and flew it at 1320 lbs or under (my wife and I together weigh
300 lbs or so)? It would meet all the other criteria vne 120 knots or
less, cruise and max speed <120 kts.

Thanks,
Dave

"Rich S." > wrote in message >...
> "ET" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > LSA stall speed 45knots = approx 48.6 mph
>
> That would be closer to 51.7864910 mph.
>
> Rich "The Devil is in the details" S.

[G.R. Patterson III]

dave wrote:
>
> Somewhat on topic, is it possible to change (lower) the gross weight
> of a production aircraft?

Sure. Recertify it.

George Patterson
In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.
In Tennessee, it's evangelism.

[ET]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in
:

>
>
> dave wrote:
>>
>> Somewhat on topic, is it possible to change (lower) the gross weight
>> of a production aircraft?
>
> Sure. Recertify it.
>
> George Patterson
> In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony
> assault. In Tennessee, it's evangelism.
>

NO,

Well, YES, actually, but it will not do any good for Sport Pilot.

The FAA added the following to avoid just such a thing: "Light-sport
aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or powered-lift that,
since its original certification, has continued to meet the following:"

The words "since it's original certification, has continued" is your
problem. The same for the ercoupe 415 d's that used to be "c's". You
can't take them back to a "c" and fly under sport (and be legal). I
suppose it's unlikely that a ramp check will get you ... but if the ramp
checkers start carrying laptops with N-number databases in them... maybe
you would get caught.

--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

[Barnyard BOb -]

"Dr. Bob Lade" > wrote:

>Actually, 45 knots = 51.75 mph, so it looks as if the 415C should be able to
>have the SLA classification.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Actually, NOT in the U.S.A.. [Pun intended]


Since 1959, the U.S. has used 6,076.115 feet
as the international standard for a nautical mile,
making 45 knots closer to = 51.78507102 mph.

However, there are other standards for a n.m.
Therefore... YMMV. <g>


Barnyard - PhD challenged - BOb

[G.R. Patterson III]

ET wrote:
>
> The words "since it's original certification, has continued" is your
> problem.

Ah, yes. Careless reading on my part.

George Patterson
In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.
In Tennessee, it's evangelism.

[Bob Fry]

"Dr. Bob Lade" > writes:

> The castored main gear on the Ercoupe

Ercoupes don't have castoring (swiveling, turning, rotating) main gear
(legs). They are simply robust enough to take the side forces
generated by a crabbed landing.

[Jim Weir]

AAARGGH...one was enough. Two is too many.

Castoring means you are extracting the oil of the castor bean.

Castering means that something swivels.


Jim



Bob Fry >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->"Dr. Bob Lade" > writes:
->
->> The castored main gear on the Ercoupe
->
->Ercoupes don't have castoring (swiveling, turning, rotating) main gear
->(legs). They are simply robust enough to take the side forces
->generated by a crabbed landing.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[zatatime]

On 21 Jul 2004 17:57:21 -0700, Bob Fry
> wrote:

>"Dr. Bob Lade" > writes:
>
>> The castored main gear on the Ercoupe
>
>Ercoupes don't have castoring (swiveling, turning, rotating) main gear
>(legs). They are simply robust enough to take the side forces
>generated by a crabbed landing.

This is not true. The main gear does rotate to compensate for crabbed
landings.

z

[ET]

Barnyard BOb - > wrote in
:

>
> "Dr. Bob Lade" > wrote:
>
>>Actually, 45 knots = 51.75 mph, so it looks as if the 415C should be
>>able to have the SLA classification.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Actually, NOT in the U.S.A.. [Pun intended]
>
>
> Since 1959, the U.S. has used 6,076.115 feet
> as the international standard for a nautical mile,
> making 45 knots closer to = 51.78507102 mph.
>
> However, there are other standards for a n.m.
> Therefore... YMMV. <g>
>
>
> Barnyard - PhD challenged - BOb


sorry, my first calculation was Knots with tax (grin). Or maybe I'm just
not tying them right.

--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams