1st Aerobatic Flight -- I want a Super Decathalon!

[Jay Honeck]

As some of you may recall, several months ago I dreamily posted the idea of
rolling my Pathfinder.

I never really intended to try it, but I did wonder if it was even possible
to achieve without ripping off the wings. Many of you assured me that it
would probably roll just fine, but that the techniques necessary to pull it
off were not ones I'd be likely to perform successfully on my first attempt.
(And there probably wouldn't be a second attempt...)

Some of you thought I was in imminent danger of actually rolling the plane,
and begged me to come to my senses.

And then there was Dave Russell. Dave and Lisa Russell own a Super
Decathlon, hangaring it in the Kalamazoo, MI area. Dave works as a
volunteer at the Kalamazoo Air Zoo, and is heavily into aerobatics. He read
my post, and did the only sensible thing imaginable -- he offered to someday
take me for an aerobatics ride while paying a visit to the hotel.

Well, today was the day.

Dave and Lisa arrived at the airport around 5 PM, and I drove them back to
our Blackbird Suite, their lodging choice for the evening. The plan was for
Dave to take Mary and me for aerobatic flights after we got off work at 6
PM -- before dinner, natch.

To say I was stoked would be an understatement. I've been "flying"
aerobatic simulators for over 15 years now, and have always dreamed about
doing it "for real" -- and here was my chance! Mary, too, was really
excited -- she's always been the roller coaster fanatic in the family -- so
we were both at a high level of preparedness as we headed for the airport.
Best of all, the air was cool and smooth, with almost no wind -- a perfect
evening for ANY kind of flying.

We flipped a coin and Mary went first, while Lisa, my kids and I sipped a
cold one at our hangar. Unfortunately our hangar looks northeast, and they
flew off to the southwest -- so we never got to see what they were going.
(This may have been a good thing? :-) But Mary came back 30 minutes later
all grins, so I knew it must've been intense!

When it was my turn Dave helped me wrestle my way into the parachute --
necessary for all aerobatic flights. Once he had me cinched into the
harness, he explained to me how I would know it was time to bail out (I
should watch him, and if HE jumped, I should, too), and I marveled at the
tightness of the cockpit and the five-point harness. In fact, I'm not sure I
could've climbed into the seat without specific "put-your-feet-here"
instructions from Dave. It soon became obvious that the odds of my actually
escaping the confines of that back cockpit in an emergency were near zero,
but I wasn't about to let that little detail deter me!

The Super Decathlon has a 180 horse, fuel-injected Lycoming in a rag and
tube airplane -- needless to say, acceleration is sprightly, to say the
least. Soon we were climbing out at a healthy rate, and Dave let me have
the stick....

With no instruments visible from the back seat, it was truly "seat of the
pants" flying. My first few turns were fairly coordinated, as I tried to
remember that rudder pedals were used for something other than ground
steering, and the plane felt very nice -- tight, and responsive. My sense
of speed was way off, though, as I told Dave that it felt like we were doing
about 100 knots, while in fact we were doing just 78 mph!

Once we climbed to 4000 feet, Dave took the controls and explained the
procedure for doing a proper aileron roll: "Push forward to gain some
airspeed. Pull back till your feet are on the horizon. Neutralize the
stick and slap it all the way over to the left. As you go around, be
prepared to give it a little forward stick, although this shouldn't be too
necessary if you started from a nose-high attitude. Swing it all the way
around, and level out." He then performed one, while I followed his
motions with my hand on the stick.

I let out a whoop after that first roll -- what a rush! It seemed to be
over almost before I knew what was going on, but that was probably a good
thing, too. Dave then let me do it, and it just felt like the most natural
thing in the world to do. What a trip to see nothing but sky, then the
horizon spinning crazily around a point, and then the sky again!

Next we tried a hesitation roll, where we held the plane inverted for a
5-count, and then continued the roll on around. Again, Dave did one, with
me following (I found my feet floating off the rudder pedals and my
headphones pressed against the ceiling, so I cinched my harness down a bit
tighter), and again I was allowed to do it myself. Wow, now THAT was an
even cooler rush, as we flew along upside down for a few seconds. I
actually let the nose fall down a bit while inverted, so I pushed the stick
forward to raise the nose, and pulled 2 negative Gs -- whoa! I thought my
head was going to explode, but, man, I was really having a ball!

Then we did a couple of wing-overs (great fun!), followed by a half Cuban 8,
where we pulled straight up and over the top, and then rolled out level. On
my attempt I pulled 4 Gs on the pull up, and I'm here to tell you that
weighing 800 pounds is really something! But it was just soooo cool...

Too soon we were heading back to the airport, and my aerobatics lesson was
over -- but I'll certainly never forget it. To be able to do all the things
in flight that I've dreamed about since I was a kid was simply awesome -- it
was a whole different kind of flying than anything I've ever done -- thanks
a million, Dave!

If you've never tried it, get your buttinski out to the airport, and hunt
down an aerobatics instructor. You won't regret it.

Anyone want to partner with me on a Decathlon? :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bushy]

> Anyone want to partner with me on a Decathlon? :-)
>

As long as you let me park it in my back yard!

In Autralia! But I'll bring it over one day on my way to Osh!

I'm relearning how to land with an old bush pilot (Artie Hearne) and then
doing the rest of the upside down bits with his son in law. (Mal Beard)

Their website is www.aeros.com.au and they are great to learn with.

My back yard is 160 acres and I have room for 1000' of runway, just have to
pick up the rocks!

Peter

[Michelle P]

Jay,
I will!
I got my tail wheel in a super decathlon. When we got bored of doing
takeoffs and landing we took it up an flew around inverted for a while.
My favorite maneuver is sill the tail slide. followed by hammer heads.
I got my tail wheel and some basic acro too!
Michelle

Jay Honeck wrote:

>As some of you may recall, several months ago I dreamily posted the idea of
>rolling my Pathfinder.
>
>I never really intended to try it, but I did wonder if it was even possible
>to achieve without ripping off the wings. Many of you assured me that it
>would probably roll just fine, but that the techniques necessary to pull it
>off were not ones I'd be likely to perform successfully on my first attempt.
>(And there probably wouldn't be a second attempt...)
>
>Some of you thought I was in imminent danger of actually rolling the plane,
>and begged me to come to my senses.
>
>And then there was Dave Russell. Dave and Lisa Russell own a Super
>Decathlon, hangaring it in the Kalamazoo, MI area. Dave works as a
>volunteer at the Kalamazoo Air Zoo, and is heavily into aerobatics. He read
>my post, and did the only sensible thing imaginable -- he offered to someday
>take me for an aerobatics ride while paying a visit to the hotel.
>
>Well, today was the day.
>
>Dave and Lisa arrived at the airport around 5 PM, and I drove them back to
>our Blackbird Suite, their lodging choice for the evening. The plan was for
>Dave to take Mary and me for aerobatic flights after we got off work at 6
>PM -- before dinner, natch.
>
>To say I was stoked would be an understatement. I've been "flying"
>aerobatic simulators for over 15 years now, and have always dreamed about
>doing it "for real" -- and here was my chance! Mary, too, was really
>excited -- she's always been the roller coaster fanatic in the family -- so
>we were both at a high level of preparedness as we headed for the airport.
>Best of all, the air was cool and smooth, with almost no wind -- a perfect
>evening for ANY kind of flying.
>
>We flipped a coin and Mary went first, while Lisa, my kids and I sipped a
>cold one at our hangar. Unfortunately our hangar looks northeast, and they
>flew off to the southwest -- so we never got to see what they were going.
>(This may have been a good thing? :-) But Mary came back 30 minutes later
>all grins, so I knew it must've been intense!
>
>When it was my turn Dave helped me wrestle my way into the parachute --
>necessary for all aerobatic flights. Once he had me cinched into the
>harness, he explained to me how I would know it was time to bail out (I
>should watch him, and if HE jumped, I should, too), and I marveled at the
>tightness of the cockpit and the five-point harness. In fact, I'm not sure I
>could've climbed into the seat without specific "put-your-feet-here"
>instructions from Dave. It soon became obvious that the odds of my actually
>escaping the confines of that back cockpit in an emergency were near zero,
>but I wasn't about to let that little detail deter me!
>
>The Super Decathlon has a 180 horse, fuel-injected Lycoming in a rag and
>tube airplane -- needless to say, acceleration is sprightly, to say the
>least. Soon we were climbing out at a healthy rate, and Dave let me have
>the stick....
>
>With no instruments visible from the back seat, it was truly "seat of the
>pants" flying. My first few turns were fairly coordinated, as I tried to
>remember that rudder pedals were used for something other than ground
>steering, and the plane felt very nice -- tight, and responsive. My sense
>of speed was way off, though, as I told Dave that it felt like we were doing
>about 100 knots, while in fact we were doing just 78 mph!
>
>Once we climbed to 4000 feet, Dave took the controls and explained the
>procedure for doing a proper aileron roll: "Push forward to gain some
>airspeed. Pull back till your feet are on the horizon. Neutralize the
>stick and slap it all the way over to the left. As you go around, be
>prepared to give it a little forward stick, although this shouldn't be too
>necessary if you started from a nose-high attitude. Swing it all the way
>around, and level out." He then performed one, while I followed his
>motions with my hand on the stick.
>
>I let out a whoop after that first roll -- what a rush! It seemed to be
>over almost before I knew what was going on, but that was probably a good
>thing, too. Dave then let me do it, and it just felt like the most natural
>thing in the world to do. What a trip to see nothing but sky, then the
>horizon spinning crazily around a point, and then the sky again!
>
>Next we tried a hesitation roll, where we held the plane inverted for a
>5-count, and then continued the roll on around. Again, Dave did one, with
>me following (I found my feet floating off the rudder pedals and my
>headphones pressed against the ceiling, so I cinched my harness down a bit
>tighter), and again I was allowed to do it myself. Wow, now THAT was an
>even cooler rush, as we flew along upside down for a few seconds. I
>actually let the nose fall down a bit while inverted, so I pushed the stick
>forward to raise the nose, and pulled 2 negative Gs -- whoa! I thought my
>head was going to explode, but, man, I was really having a ball!
>
>Then we did a couple of wing-overs (great fun!), followed by a half Cuban 8,
>where we pulled straight up and over the top, and then rolled out level. On
>my attempt I pulled 4 Gs on the pull up, and I'm here to tell you that
>weighing 800 pounds is really something! But it was just soooo cool...
>
>Too soon we were heading back to the airport, and my aerobatics lesson was
>over -- but I'll certainly never forget it. To be able to do all the things
>in flight that I've dreamed about since I was a kid was simply awesome -- it
>was a whole different kind of flying than anything I've ever done -- thanks
>a million, Dave!
>
>If you've never tried it, get your buttinski out to the airport, and hunt
>down an aerobatics instructor. You won't regret it.
>
>Anyone want to partner with me on a Decathlon? :-)
>
>

--

Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P

"Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike)

Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic

Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity

[Paul Sengupta]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:_8vRc.112574$eM2.41345@attbi_s51...
> Dave, I just got back from a wedding that was populated by mostly pilots
> (the couple who bought our Warrior finally tied the knot!),

Hey, say hello and congrats from me!

Paul

[Jack Allison]

Very cool Jay! I'd say "yes" to the partnership on the provision that
the plane be stored at my home airport here on the left coast. Hey,
just think of all the x-c and mountain flying time you could get in on
your way to/from here :-) I'd even offer to fly it back to IOW and OSH
at least once a year.

If you think the maneuvers you did were fun, you should try spins...see
if you remember and can execute the proper recovery procedure. My
problem was *not* neutralizing opposite rudder once the rotation
stopped. Oops...way too much going on when you're pointed down and the
world is spinning away and rushing up at you.

Yep, +4/-2Gs is pretty cool. Made any roller coaster experience pale in
comparison. Oh ya, aerobatics can take the aviation addiction to
greater levels.

Glad you had a chance to experience some acro. Agreed that anyone that
has never done it should find an acro. instructor and go play for a bit.
--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Dave Russell]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<ravRc.112580$eM2.92775@attbi_s51>...

> > You sipped a cold one and then went flying? Are you sure you want to
> > admit that here Jay?
>
> Uh, that would be a cold soda pop. I'm crazy, but I'm not stupid.

I've been accused of being crazy and stupid and many worse things
(some might even be true), but anyone who thinks I'd stick Jay in my
airplane after he's been drinking... and then take him inverted?!?!
Sheeeesh!

They don't know me or my airplane very well (or at all, actually). I
love my airplane 'WAY too much to take a stupid chance like that. So
far, I'm batting zero out of *many* on the pukin' pax-meter and I
fully intend to maintain that record.

Ya'll do realize that, if Jay *had* lost it, it would have hit me in
the back of the head, run down my neck, and soaked the 'chute? Does
that sound like fun to anybody???

-Dave Russell
8KCAB (it's one that still doesn't smell funny)

[Jay Honeck]

> Ya'll do realize that, if Jay *had* lost it, it would have hit me in
> the back of the head, run down my neck, and soaked the 'chute? Does
> that sound like fun to anybody???

Yuck. There's a visual I didn't need...

My cast-iron stomach (never been motion sick yet) comes through for me (and
you) yet again!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[john smith]

Dave Russell wrote:
> Ya'll do realize that, if Jay *had* lost it, it would have hit me in
> the back of the head, run down my neck, and soaked the 'chute? Does
> that sound like fun to anybody???

I was wondering why you were flying from the front seat.
When I take people up, I always fly from the backseat.

[Frank]

Jay Honeck wrote:

<snip>

Great story, thanks. One day I'm going to take a few aero lessons and I'm
sure they'll be in a Decathalon.

My one question is how many airsick bags per lesson should I allow for? I'm
not opposed to puking for a good cause, I just want to be prepared....

--
Frank....H

[Jay Honeck]

> My one question is how many airsick bags per lesson should I allow for?
I'm
> not opposed to puking for a good cause, I just want to be prepared....

Well, I had a barf-bag available in the seat-back in front of me the whole
time.

Never needed it, thankfully.

Of course, it was a perfectly smooth, beautiful summer evening. It might
be different on windy, turbulent day.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[MLenoch]

>> My one question is how many airsick bags per lesson should I allow for?
>I'm
>> not opposed to puking for a good cause, I just want to be prepared....

Common bit of advice, eat bananas before you fly.......they taste the same
going up as they did going down! (source:Marine Corps)
VL

[ShawnD2112]

Jay,
Super Ds are very nice. Got my tailwheel endorsement and first taste of
aerobatics in one. If you like that, you ought to try a Pitts - now THERE's
and aerobatic machine!!

Glad to hear it was such a good time and positive experience. Straight and
level will never feel the same! That's only for xcountries!!

Shawn
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:B3YQc.239802$JR4.110012@attbi_s54...
> As some of you may recall, several months ago I dreamily posted the idea
of
> rolling my Pathfinder.
>
> I never really intended to try it, but I did wonder if it was even
possible
> to achieve without ripping off the wings. Many of you assured me that it
> would probably roll just fine, but that the techniques necessary to pull
it
> off were not ones I'd be likely to perform successfully on my first
attempt.
> (And there probably wouldn't be a second attempt...)
>
> Some of you thought I was in imminent danger of actually rolling the
plane,
> and begged me to come to my senses.
>
> And then there was Dave Russell. Dave and Lisa Russell own a Super
> Decathlon, hangaring it in the Kalamazoo, MI area. Dave works as a
> volunteer at the Kalamazoo Air Zoo, and is heavily into aerobatics. He
read
> my post, and did the only sensible thing imaginable -- he offered to
someday
> take me for an aerobatics ride while paying a visit to the hotel.
>
> Well, today was the day.
>
> Dave and Lisa arrived at the airport around 5 PM, and I drove them back to
> our Blackbird Suite, their lodging choice for the evening. The plan was
for
> Dave to take Mary and me for aerobatic flights after we got off work at 6
> PM -- before dinner, natch.
>
> To say I was stoked would be an understatement. I've been "flying"
> aerobatic simulators for over 15 years now, and have always dreamed about
> doing it "for real" -- and here was my chance! Mary, too, was really
> excited -- she's always been the roller coaster fanatic in the family --
so
> we were both at a high level of preparedness as we headed for the airport.
> Best of all, the air was cool and smooth, with almost no wind -- a perfect
> evening for ANY kind of flying.
>
> We flipped a coin and Mary went first, while Lisa, my kids and I sipped a
> cold one at our hangar. Unfortunately our hangar looks northeast, and
they
> flew off to the southwest -- so we never got to see what they were going.
> (This may have been a good thing? :-) But Mary came back 30 minutes
later
> all grins, so I knew it must've been intense!
>
> When it was my turn Dave helped me wrestle my way into the parachute --
> necessary for all aerobatic flights. Once he had me cinched into the
> harness, he explained to me how I would know it was time to bail out (I
> should watch him, and if HE jumped, I should, too), and I marveled at the
> tightness of the cockpit and the five-point harness. In fact, I'm not sure
I
> could've climbed into the seat without specific "put-your-feet-here"
> instructions from Dave. It soon became obvious that the odds of my
actually
> escaping the confines of that back cockpit in an emergency were near zero,
> but I wasn't about to let that little detail deter me!
>
> The Super Decathlon has a 180 horse, fuel-injected Lycoming in a rag and
> tube airplane -- needless to say, acceleration is sprightly, to say the
> least. Soon we were climbing out at a healthy rate, and Dave let me have
> the stick....
>
> With no instruments visible from the back seat, it was truly "seat of the
> pants" flying. My first few turns were fairly coordinated, as I tried to
> remember that rudder pedals were used for something other than ground
> steering, and the plane felt very nice -- tight, and responsive. My
sense
> of speed was way off, though, as I told Dave that it felt like we were
doing
> about 100 knots, while in fact we were doing just 78 mph!
>
> Once we climbed to 4000 feet, Dave took the controls and explained the
> procedure for doing a proper aileron roll: "Push forward to gain some
> airspeed. Pull back till your feet are on the horizon. Neutralize the
> stick and slap it all the way over to the left. As you go around, be
> prepared to give it a little forward stick, although this shouldn't be too
> necessary if you started from a nose-high attitude. Swing it all the way
> around, and level out." He then performed one, while I followed his
> motions with my hand on the stick.
>
> I let out a whoop after that first roll -- what a rush! It seemed to be
> over almost before I knew what was going on, but that was probably a good
> thing, too. Dave then let me do it, and it just felt like the most
natural
> thing in the world to do. What a trip to see nothing but sky, then the
> horizon spinning crazily around a point, and then the sky again!
>
> Next we tried a hesitation roll, where we held the plane inverted for a
> 5-count, and then continued the roll on around. Again, Dave did one, with
> me following (I found my feet floating off the rudder pedals and my
> headphones pressed against the ceiling, so I cinched my harness down a bit
> tighter), and again I was allowed to do it myself. Wow, now THAT was an
> even cooler rush, as we flew along upside down for a few seconds. I
> actually let the nose fall down a bit while inverted, so I pushed the
stick
> forward to raise the nose, and pulled 2 negative Gs -- whoa! I thought
my
> head was going to explode, but, man, I was really having a ball!
>
> Then we did a couple of wing-overs (great fun!), followed by a half Cuban
8,
> where we pulled straight up and over the top, and then rolled out level.
On
> my attempt I pulled 4 Gs on the pull up, and I'm here to tell you that
> weighing 800 pounds is really something! But it was just soooo cool...
>
> Too soon we were heading back to the airport, and my aerobatics lesson was
> over -- but I'll certainly never forget it. To be able to do all the
things
> in flight that I've dreamed about since I was a kid was simply awesome --
it
> was a whole different kind of flying than anything I've ever done --
thanks
> a million, Dave!
>
> If you've never tried it, get your buttinski out to the airport, and hunt
> down an aerobatics instructor. You won't regret it.
>
> Anyone want to partner with me on a Decathlon? :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[ShawnD2112]

And some crackers. They add salt. ;-)

Shawn
"MLenoch" > wrote in message
...
> >> My one question is how many airsick bags per lesson should I allow for?
> >I'm
> >> not opposed to puking for a good cause, I just want to be prepared....
>
> Common bit of advice, eat bananas before you fly.......they taste the same
> going up as they did going down! (source:Marine Corps)
> VL