Avweb has the dreadful pictures up

[Icebound]

http://www.avweb.com/news/features/187931-1.html

[Peter R.]

Icebound wrote:

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> http://www.avweb.com/news/features/187931-1.html

As a relatively new aircraft owner who has seen these pictures from
other hurricanes, I don't understand why these owners wouldn't have
flown their airplanes to safety during the few days prior to the event.


--
Peter

[C J Campbell]

"Peter R." > wrote in message
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> Icebound wrote:
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> > http://www.avweb.com/news/features/187931-1.html
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> As a relatively new aircraft owner who has seen these pictures from
> other hurricanes, I don't understand why these owners wouldn't have
> flown their airplanes to safety during the few days prior to the event.

Many owners will, but in this case Charley took a different path than
projected. It is possible that some owners thought they were flying their
planes to safety and instead flew right into the path of the hurricane.

Other owners probably thought their planes were safe inside hangars. Still
others know how to tie their airplanes down properly, but forgot that does
not protect them from improperly tied down airplanes and other debris.

Then there are the people with unairworthy aircraft, owners who themselves
may have been sick or incapacitated, owners with more than one airplane who
had time to save only one, absentee owners or owners on vacation, etc. A
huge number of the airplanes that are on leaseback at FBOs are rarely if
ever seen by their owners.

Add to that the usual percentage of people who are complacent or who are
hoping that destruction of their current airplane will enable them to
collect enough insurance to buy a better one and you have a lot of airplanes
that simply did not move.

[C J Campbell]

Looks like some poor Bonanza owner did a really good job of tying the plane
down, but the plane actually pulled the tiedown block right out of the
pavement! The wings look like the stress was too much.

[G.R. Patterson III]

"Peter R." wrote:
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> As a relatively new aircraft owner who has seen these pictures from
> other hurricanes, I don't understand why these owners wouldn't have
> flown their airplanes to safety during the few days prior to the event.

Generally, by the time they know where the 'cane is going to hit, it's too late to
move anything. I guess you could just move the plane to, say, Kentucky around the
first of August and leave it there until October.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

[Jeff Franks]

I have a nice place here in Tennessee that I'll gladly rent to anyone who
wants it.....of course, I'll need to take your planes up on occasion to
"stir the oil". I'd hate to see them sit there and get all funky.
Naturally, the fee for this "service" will be nominal.......


"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
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> "Peter R." wrote:
> >
> > As a relatively new aircraft owner who has seen these pictures from
> > other hurricanes, I don't understand why these owners wouldn't have
> > flown their airplanes to safety during the few days prior to the event.
>
> Generally, by the time they know where the 'cane is going to hit, it's too
late to
> move anything. I guess you could just move the plane to, say, Kentucky
around the
> first of August and leave it there until October.
>
> George Patterson
> If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
> he gives it to.

[C J Campbell]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
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>
> "Peter R." wrote:
> >
> > As a relatively new aircraft owner who has seen these pictures from
> > other hurricanes, I don't understand why these owners wouldn't have
> > flown their airplanes to safety during the few days prior to the event.
>
> Generally, by the time they know where the 'cane is going to hit, it's too
late to
> move anything.

Even in the '70s, we had no trouble in the Air Force evacuating the planes
out of the way of typhoons and hurricanes. I remember going to Japan to sit
out a typhoon while it swept over our families at Clark. A duty officer was
assigned back home to check on our families. His report was that although
there was a lot of damage and that power and water were off, most of the
families were OK, "except for Campbell."

He found Jane in the back yard having set up garbage cans to catch rain
water. Everything that was likely to tip over and cause damage was already
tipped over and fastened down and the windows blocked and taped. The house
looked like a fortress. Jane was already running around the neighborhood,
delivering food and supplies to neighbors, passing messages, etc., in our
Subaru. The duty officer thought she was the most extreme example of
emergency preparedness that he had ever heard of. His comment was that
having a wife like that probably explains a lot about Campbell.

[Dan Luke]

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
> Generally, by the time they know where the 'cane is going to hit,
> it's too late to move anything. I guess you could just move the
> plane to, say, Kentucky around the
> first of August and leave it there until October.

Well, it's always a judgement call, but it's not *that* hard. I will move
mine if Hurricane Earl, for example is forecast to hit anywhere on the
central Gulf Coast within two days. If I'd been parking my airplane just
about anywhere on the west coast of Florida last week, I'd have flown it out
Wednesday.

It takes a direct hit from an extremely strong storm to do the kind of
damage seen in those pictures. Hurricane Danny came right up Mobile Bay a
few years ago and paused with its center less than ten miles from BFM.

http://www.southalabama.edu/meteorology/hurricanedanny.html

No aircraft were seriously damaged on the airport, even though some were
left tied down outside.
--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

[Hankal]

>As a relatively new aircraft owner who has seen these pictures from
>other hurricanes, I don't understand why these owners wouldn't have
>flown their airplanes to safety during the few days prior to the event.

The storm was predicted to enter Tampa.
I made a turn long before it got there.
Some folks fled Tampa and went in land, only to be in the eye of the storm.

[gatt]

"Peter R." > wrote in message

> As a relatively new aircraft owner who has seen these pictures from
> other hurricanes, I don't understand why these owners wouldn't have
> flown their airplanes to safety during the few days prior to the event.

After hurricane Andrew I went down to Baton Rouge to help my girlfriend out.
She worked at an FBO at the airport there that looked somewhat similar.
What had happened is that people along the coast and in New Orleans had
determined that they were going to be hit, so they all flew their planes to
Baton Rouge for safety. Andrew took an unexpected turn, missed New Orleans
and pounded Baton Rouge. The FBO looked like an airplane junkyard. Folks
should have flown further north, I guess.

-c

[G.R. Patterson III]

gatt wrote:
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> Folks should have flown further north, I guess.

Maybe. I remember one storm in the mid-70s that was supposed to hit Texas. It hit
Mobile instead and headed inland. Finally petered out just short of Atlanta. I used
to hunt in some pinelands a few miles west of Douglasville (one of Atlanta's bedroom
communities). It looked like the gods were playing pickup-sticks with 30-foot pine
trees after that. Like I said. The only safe bet is to just take the plane into
Kentucky. Even Tennessee is too close -- they have too many trailer parks. :-)

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

[Bob Noel]

In article >, "gatt"
> wrote:

[snip]
> Folks
> should have flown further north, I guess.

a friend put his cherokee 140 safely away in a big hanger at OTIS on
the cape in preparation for hurricane Bob. Unfortunately part
of the hangar failed and all sorts of crap blew around inside
the hangar and did some major damage to his airplane. The airplanes
outside were undamaged.

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

[SeeAndAvoid]

If I remember right, there was a tropical storm a couple days before Charlie
that cruised across the panhandle, who'd want to fly into that? That and
the supposed right turn that caught people by surprise. I say supposed
because the weather channel and I believe their website showed a predicted
path showing pretty close what it ended up doing. I saw one weather guy get
irritated at a news lady who asked about this surprise turn, he said it
wasn't any surprise, plenty were calling for that turn. I was surprised
when I heard so many stations report this as a surprise turn, it kind of
caught on and they ran with it.
So they had a window before the Trop storm, and maybe a day or two before
Charlie with the remnants of the trop storm, then they rolled the dice.
I'd a been somewhere in Alabama myself.
It's a drag to see all those wrecked airplanes.

Heres a shocker, that craphole who writes the Aviation Conspiracy newsletter
saw the silver lining in Charlie, the closing of airports. He mustve wet
his pants, or done other things, to the pictures on Avweb.

http://pages.prodigy.net/rockaway/newsletter285.htm

Chris



"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
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>
>
> gatt wrote:
> >
> > Folks should have flown further north, I guess.
>
> Maybe. I remember one storm in the mid-70s that was supposed to hit Texas.
It hit
> Mobile instead and headed inland. Finally petered out just short of
Atlanta. I used
> to hunt in some pinelands a few miles west of Douglasville (one of
Atlanta's bedroom
> communities). It looked like the gods were playing pickup-sticks with
30-foot pine
> trees after that. Like I said. The only safe bet is to just take the plane
into
> Kentucky. Even Tennessee is too close -- they have too many trailer parks.
:-)
>
> George Patterson
> If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
> he gives it to.

[Bob Noel]

In article et>,
"SeeAndAvoid" > wrote:

> Heres a shocker, that craphole who writes the Aviation Conspiracy
> newsletter
> saw the silver lining in Charlie, the closing of airports. He mustve wet
> his pants, or done other things, to the pictures on Avweb.
>
> http://---------/rockaway/-----------

do NOT, repeat, do NOT give free advertising to the
long island looney bird.

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
Bob Noel > wrote:

> In article et>,
> "SeeAndAvoid" > wrote:
>
> > Heres a shocker, that craphole who writes the Aviation Conspiracy
> > newsletter
> > saw the silver lining in Charlie, the closing of airports. He mustve wet
> > his pants, or done other things, to the pictures on Avweb.
> >
> > http://---------/rockaway/-----------
>
> do NOT, repeat, do NOT give free advertising to the
> long island looney bird.

It's fun to take him and his doofus buddies on over in
alt.activism.noise.pollution

There are some real loonies over there.

[Robert Briggs]

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> Bob Noel wrote:
> > SeeAndAvoid wrote:

> > > http://---------/rockaway/-----------
> >
> > do NOT, repeat, do NOT give free advertising to the
> > long island looney bird.
>
> It's fun to take him and his doofus buddies on over in
> alt.activism.noise.pollution

Now, I wonder whether old Birdstrike Bill has the BBC's agreement to
use their site for "his" hurricane photograph ... oh, and I wonder
what AP think of having their picture retransmitted in this way ...

[Cal Cerise]

All light planes should have folding wings so that they can be
economically rolled into revetments. Would be far more economical to
hangar as well.