Garmin GNS 430

[George Kornreich]

We're considering adding a GNS 430 to our panel. The hight of the
display is rather small, and Garmin tells me that the position of the
plane is fixed in the center, and can not be relocated to the bottom
of the display, which would allow the entire display, rather than only
the top 1/2 of the display to show airspace ahead. I think that in the
enroute mode, it would be nice to be able to use the entire display
for airspace ahead. But I have not actually flown with this unit, and
I'd like to know if those of you who have used it find that the
display of airspace ahead is adequate and easily visable. I realize
that zooming out can increase the area displayed, but at the expense
of detail. Thanks for any info you can provide.

[Darrel Toepfer]

George Kornreich wrote:

> We're considering adding a GNS 430 to our panel. The hight of the
> display is rather small, and Garmin tells me that the position of the
> plane is fixed in the center, and can not be relocated to the bottom
> of the display, which would allow the entire display, rather than only
> the top 1/2 of the display to show airspace ahead. I think that in the
> enroute mode, it would be nice to be able to use the entire display
> for airspace ahead. But I have not actually flown with this unit, and
> I'd like to know if those of you who have used it find that the
> display of airspace ahead is adequate and easily visable. I realize
> that zooming out can increase the area displayed, but at the expense
> of detail. Thanks for any info you can provide.

You can download the simulator here:

http://www.garmin.com/products/gns430

[Mike Rapoport]

The airplane is actually 2/3 of the way down the display (you can see 100nm
in front when the range is set to 150nm).

Mike
MU-2

"George Kornreich" > wrote in message
om...
> We're considering adding a GNS 430 to our panel. The hight of the
> display is rather small, and Garmin tells me that the position of the
> plane is fixed in the center, and can not be relocated to the bottom
> of the display, which would allow the entire display, rather than only
> the top 1/2 of the display to show airspace ahead. I think that in the
> enroute mode, it would be nice to be able to use the entire display
> for airspace ahead. But I have not actually flown with this unit, and
> I'd like to know if those of you who have used it find that the
> display of airspace ahead is adequate and easily visable. I realize
> that zooming out can increase the area displayed, but at the expense
> of detail. Thanks for any info you can provide.

[PaulH]

I've had one for 4 years, and have never seen this as a problem. As
you say, you can zoom out to see farther ahead, and the airspaces will
still show up.

[Jack McAdams]

(George Kornreich) wrote in message >...
> We're considering adding a GNS 430 to our panel. The hight of the
> display is rather small, and Garmin tells me that the position of the
> plane is fixed in the center, and can not be relocated to the bottom
> of the display, which would allow the entire display, rather than only
> the top 1/2 of the display to show airspace ahead. I think that in the
> enroute mode, it would be nice to be able to use the entire display
> for airspace ahead. But I have not actually flown with this unit, and
> I'd like to know if those of you who have used it find that the
> display of airspace ahead is adequate and easily visable. I realize
> that zooming out can increase the area displayed, but at the expense
> of detail. Thanks for any info you can provide.

I had the same questions before I installed my 430. It turns out to be
a non-issue: the automatic zooming as you approach a waypoint makes it
all very logical. There is absolutley no problem with screen size and
the amount of detail on the box; you can also choose three (I think)
levels of detail with just a touch of the Clear button.

I generally set the range for 35nm and it worls great for me. Of
course, you may want a larger area if you are flying a kerosene
burner!


Jack
Sundowner - N6363U

[MLenoch]

> (George Kornreich)

wrote:>The hight of the
>display is rather small, and Garmin tells me that the position of the
>plane is fixed in the center, and can not be relocated to the bottom
>of the display, which would allow the entire display, rather than only
>the top 1/2 of the display to show airspace ahead. I think that in the
>enroute mode, it would be nice to be able to use the entire display
>for airspace ahead. But I have not actually flown with this unit, and
>I'd like to know if those of you who have used it find that the
>display of airspace ahead is adequate and easily visable. I realize
>that zooming out can increase the area displayed, but at the expense
>of detail. Thanks for any info you can provide.
>
>
>
>
>
>

I use the 430 in a King Air and T-33A (450 kts cruise). The display has never
been a problem.
VL

[Clyde Torres]

"George Kornreich" > wrote in message
om...
> We're considering adding a GNS 430 to our panel. The hight of the
> display is rather small, and Garmin tells me that the position of the
> plane is fixed in the center, and can not be relocated to the bottom
> of the display, which would allow the entire display, rather than only
> the top 1/2 of the display to show airspace ahead. I think that in the
> enroute mode, it would be nice to be able to use the entire display
> for airspace ahead. But I have not actually flown with this unit, and
> I'd like to know if those of you who have used it find that the
> display of airspace ahead is adequate and easily visable. I realize
> that zooming out can increase the area displayed, but at the expense
> of detail. Thanks for any info you can provide.


George,

I think the GNS430 is a great instrument, but I also think that the display
is too small, causing the problem that you are anticipating. Our flying
club airplane has a 430 and 420 in it, thus solving the problem, but at
great expense. I wouldn't add a 430 unless I was doing it for IFR work.
Then you're stuck with it.

I know the previous responders said they loved it, but this is my opinion.
I think the 430 display is too small.

Clyde

[nooneimportant]

The aircraft at the school i attend has at least one sometimes two GNS430's
in each airplane. Nice little gadgets. Interface takes a bit of getting
used to (when to push the knob vs when to push enter etc...) but all in all
a very pilot friendly device. Got my PPL in a plane that did not have GPS
(well one of them had a KLN89, but i never learned to use it). Just about
finished my instrument rating, just lack a few mor hours timebuilding and
dual XC. Very handy procedures screen, push PROC, select the appropriate
procedure and it will load the procedure onto the screen, if its a GPS
procedure it will sequence automatically from fix to fix on the way in (does
not yet provide any VNAV, hear thats a future update tho) If selected
approach is a VOR/ILS overlay it will automatically load the vor/loc freq
into the com1 standby box, just a patter of flipping it up, ID'ng and
excecuting the approach. Its NO excues for not knowing how to fly withoug a
GPS, and is flat out illegal to use as a primary nav for VOR and ILS
approaches, but from what i understand it IS approaved for NDB procedures if
the AC isnt' otherwise equiped, and can legally fulfill the DME requirements
for an airplane not otherwise equiped. But its still great to see your
approach layed out on the map, including arc if needed, you just can't load
that data over to the NAVhead (well i honestly haven't tried, but since you
can't legally use it for PRIMARY nav on anything other than a GPS/NDB
approach i haven't bothered). Really nice when you can have DUAL 430s.
Load your flightplan/procedures and it will automatically crossfill that
data to the other unit, in this manner you can have your navhead slaved to
the VOR side of the GPS, have the GPS1 displaying a MiniCDI and nav data for
the current segment/leg, and the GPS2 set to the moving map. Best thing i
can recommend is to download the "Trainer" from the Garmin website and play
around with it some, it isn't full featured but does give a general gist of
how the system works. As far as the display is concerned i haven't had a
problem with it. It does autodeclutter depending on zoom, but you can
override that through three clutter modes by pressing the CLR button while
in map. Airplane is actually near bottom of screen so that you still see a
good way ahead. It does have an autozooming feature that automagically
zoomes the screen to the next waypoint, and steps the zoome down as the
waypoint gets nearer (unless you override it by zooming on your own). The
screen is a bit smallish, but considering the size of the unit the screen
quality is excellent. Good visibility in the daytime, but i find its
sometimes a bit on the bright side at night, wish it had more brightness
options, has a sensor to automatically set between Day and Night modes,
nothing in between. If you want a bigger screen the G530 is almost teh same
system as the 430 with a larger screen, but that screen doubles the needed
panel space. Color depth is also limited, not that its a major factor, just
seems that sometimes it would be great if it could colorcode terrain
contours and perform featurs seen on some competetitors products, but
overall i think the Garmin is an excellent unit to consider.




"Clyde Torres" > wrote in message
.. .
> "George Kornreich" > wrote in message
> om...
> > We're considering adding a GNS 430 to our panel. The hight of the
> > display is rather small, and Garmin tells me that the position of the
> > plane is fixed in the center, and can not be relocated to the bottom
> > of the display, which would allow the entire display, rather than only
> > the top 1/2 of the display to show airspace ahead. I think that in the
> > enroute mode, it would be nice to be able to use the entire display
> > for airspace ahead. But I have not actually flown with this unit, and
> > I'd like to know if those of you who have used it find that the
> > display of airspace ahead is adequate and easily visable. I realize
> > that zooming out can increase the area displayed, but at the expense
> > of detail. Thanks for any info you can provide.
>
>
> George,
>
> I think the GNS430 is a great instrument, but I also think that the
display
> is too small, causing the problem that you are anticipating. Our flying
> club airplane has a 430 and 420 in it, thus solving the problem, but at
> great expense. I wouldn't add a 430 unless I was doing it for IFR work.
> Then you're stuck with it.
>
> I know the previous responders said they loved it, but this is my opinion.
> I think the 430 display is too small.
>
> Clyde
>
>

[Thomas Borchert]

George,

> But I have not actually flown with this unit, and
> I'd like to know if those of you who have used it find that the
> display of airspace ahead is adequate and easily visable.
>

I never found it to be a problem, although I thought it would be at
first.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Andrew Gideon]

George Kornreich wrote:

> We're considering adding a GNS 430 to our panel.

The club planes I fly all have 430s, and I like them. However, buying anew
I'd at least give some serious thought to the newer unit that Garmin bought
with UPS. The 430 is showing its age, and will require some hardware
swapping - from what I understand - to become WAAS compliant. More, Garmin
appears to be aiming more of their upgrades at the newer unit. Witness
that XM weather is available from Garmin for the new unit, but not for the
430.

- Andrew

[paul k. sanchez]

>The club planes I fly all have 430s, and I like them. However, buying anew
>I'd at least give some serious thought to the newer unit that Garmin bought
>with UPS. The 430 is showing its age, and will require some hardware
>swapping - from what I understand - to become WAAS compliant. More, Garmin
>appears to be aiming more of their upgrades at the newer unit. Witness
>that XM weather is available from Garmin for the new unit, but not for the
>430.
>
> - Andrew
>
Where did you read that?

http://www.aopa.org/members/oshkosh04.html

Garmin offers XM weather, debuts '480'
OSHKOSH, July 26 — Garmin announced several updates regarding its panel-mount
GPS navigators and multifunction displays, including the timeline for its GDL
69 datalink receivers. The GDL 69 delivers XM Radio satellite weather and
entertainment, which features weather products by WxWorx such as radar and
precipitation gradients, winds aloft, echo tops, and lightning imagery, as well
as textual weather and temporary flight restrictions (TFRs). The MX20 MFD will
also display information via the GDL 69. Garmin expects the supplemental type
certificate process to conclude by the end of August. Garmin also has received
an STC on the GDL 90, an automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast (ADS-B)
receiver, which will enable the MX20 with real-time traffic, weather, and "free
flight" capability once those services become available. Garmin also announced
that with the WAAS certification of the Garmin AT CNX80, also expected at the
end of August, they would change the product's name to the GNS 480. The company
will issue software upgrades to existing CNX80 owners free of charge, bringing
the navigator into WAAS compliance. The price on the GNS 480 remains $11,995.
Version 2.0.4 software for the GNS 530 and 430 will also be available soon.

paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
on eagles’ wings
2011 south perimeter road, suite g
fort lauderdale, florida 33309-7135
305-389-1742 wireless
954-776-0527 fax
954-345-4276 home/fax

www.iflyqpa.com/cas

[Andrew Gideon]

paul k. sanchez wrote:

>>The club planes I fly all have 430s, and I like them. However, buying
>>anew I'd at least give some serious thought to the newer unit that Garmin
>>bought
>>with UPS. The 430 is showing its age, and will require some hardware
>>swapping - from what I understand - to become WAAS compliant. More,
>>Garmin
>>appears to be aiming more of their upgrades at the newer unit. Witness
>>that XM weather is available from Garmin for the new unit, but not for the
>>430.
>>
>> - Andrew
>>
> Where did you read that?

Which that, the WAAS or the XM download. I'll assume the latter given what
you've cited below, but please correct me if that's wrong.

I read about the XM download here in messages discussing events at Oshkosh.
However, nothing in the text you've cited disagrees with this. The GDL 69
integrates with the MX20 and CNX 80...but the 430? I don't see that
stated.

(Unless elsewhere it is stated that the 2.0.4 software for the 430/530 adds
that capability).

- Andrew

[paul k. sanchez]

>Which that, the WAAS or the XM download. I'll assume the latter given what
>you've cited below, but please correct me if that's wrong.
>
>I read about the XM download here in messages discussing events at Oshkosh.
>However, nothing in the text you've cited disagrees with this. The GDL 69
>integrates with the MX20 and CNX 80...but the 430? I don't see that
>stated.
>
>(Unless elsewhere it is stated that the 2.0.4 software for the 430/530 adds
>that capability).
>
> - Andrew
>

Andrew:
I'm not sure where you read that the Garmin GNS480 (or what used to be called
the CNX80) will interface with the GDL-69 for weather downloading. Perhaps you
misread this press release on www.aero-news.net.

It would be great to have the GNS480 as a navigator and MFD. Unfortunately at
the moment it looks like the GNS480 will accept input from the GTX330
transponder for TIS-B. I don't see any reference to FIS-B information. Could
you please quote your source on that?

http://www.aero-news.net/news/genav.cfm?ContentBlockID=2fff4af4-9826-4200-
b72f-bee74bc875f2&Dynamic=1

Garmin Announces XM Weather Interface
Tue, 27 Jul '04

WxWorx weather to be available thru XM Weather on G1000, MX20 with new
GDL-69/69A
Garmin today announced at AirVenture 2004 that they will provide a new weather
information service for their G1000 and MX20 units using the company's new
GDL-69/69A XM weather downlink units. TSO certification is expected by the end
of August.

The new service and hardware will provide real time weather, radar, lightning
coverage, TFR's and other information up linked by WxWorx to the XM service,
which will then retransmit the data to its subscriber's receivers. The G1000
and MX20 can then query the information that has been buffered and display a
wide range of information to the pilot.

The XM company currently has 2.1 million subscribers in the US, and have two
geostationary satellites covering CONUS. The "Rock" satellite provides coverage
focused on longitude 85W, and the "Roll" satellite focuses its coverage on
115W. Together, the two satellites cover the country on the S-band, which is
impervious to the type of disruptions commonly seen on services such as
DirecTV. The new XM weather boxes from Garmin are capable of receiving and
combining the signals from both satellites to provide total coverage. It is
expected that the range of the signal will increase some due to altitude
differences, but Rob MacKenzie of XM did not elaborate on the extent of the
additional coverage.

The service is expected to become available in September, and will consist of
two tiers of service, "Aviator Lite" and "Aviator." The former will be priced
at $29.95 per month and will provide basic weather information. The latter will
be priced at $49.95 and will provide the user with what Garmin describes as the
"deluxe" weather information package.

There were a number of other announcements from Garmin; the GDL-49 satellite
weather unit's software version 2.0.4 was released some two weeks ago and is
being provided to customers at no charge. The unit increases performance of the
unit by some 30 to 40 percent.

The CNX-80 product, which Garmin acquired when it purchased the UPS avionics
division, will be renamed to the GNS-480 in August, when it is expected that
enhanced capabilities will be certified. The GNS-480 will support Gamma-3 WAAS,
Traffic Information Service (TIS) data link from the GTX-33 remote transponder
or the GTX-330 panel-mount transponder. Software upgrades to the existing
CNX-80 user base will be provided at no charge.



Finally, ANN asked Garmin's Aviation Marketing Manager, Tim Casey, if there was
any truth to the rumor that Garmin had instituted a Minimum Retail Pricing
policy, and if dealers would be barred from doing business with Garmin if they
did not follow the policy. MRP policies establish that dealers cannot sell
product for less than what the manufacture establishes as the minimum price.
Mr. Casey confirmed that the company has indeed instituted an MRP policy, but
that there are no penalties in the program that would result in termination of
the dealer agreement.

FMI: www.garmin.com


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paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
on eagles’ wings
2011 south perimeter road, suite g
fort lauderdale, florida 33309-7135
305-389-1742 wireless
954-776-0527 fax
954-345-4276 home/fax

www.iflyqpa.com/cas

[Andrew Gideon]

paul k. sanchez wrote:

> I'm not sure where you read that the Garmin GNS480 (or what used to be
> called the CNX80) will interface with the GDL-69 for weather downloading.

[...]

Oh, I see now what you're writing.

> Could you please quote your source on that?

As I wrote before, here. I believe it was in the thread "OSH '04 -- Best ever?" which
then spawned "Garmin taking a page from you-know-who?".

It's certainly possible that I misread something, or mistook the UPS GPS for the MFD; I
don't keep all those various part numbers in my head unfortunately (CNX-80, MX-20, ???).

And perhaps the G-1000 too:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=10g18ifburnvt5e%40corp.supernews.com

- Andrew

[paul k. sanchez]

>It's certainly possible that I misread something, or mistook the UPS GPS for
the MFD; I don't keep all those various part numbers in my head unfortunately
(CNX-80, MX-20, ???).

Andrew:
Perhaps I have too much time on my hands and read pilot guides/installation
guides way too often.

Wish you well.


paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
on eagles’ wings
2011 south perimeter road, suite g
fort lauderdale, florida 33309-7135
305-389-1742 wireless
954-776-0527 fax
954-345-4276 home/fax

www.iflyqpa.com/cas

[Andrew Gideon]

paul k. sanchez wrote:


> Perhaps I have too much time on my hands and read pilot
> guides/installation guides way too often.

Perhaps so, but you've educated me so *I* appreciate it.

Of course, you've left me even more puzzled than before about Garmin's plans
WRT the UPS GPS and the 430/530 and XM.

- Andrew

[Mike Rapoport]

I expect the XM weather to be introduced at the same time the 430/530 get
upgraded to WAAS.

Mike
MU-2


"Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
online.com...
> paul k. sanchez wrote:
>
>
> > Perhaps I have too much time on my hands and read pilot
> > guides/installation guides way too often.
>
> Perhaps so, but you've educated me so *I* appreciate it.
>
> Of course, you've left me even more puzzled than before about Garmin's
plans
> WRT the UPS GPS and the 430/530 and XM.
>
> - Andrew
>

[Morgans]

"paul k. sanchez" > wrote \

>
> paul k. sanchez, cfii-mei
> on eagles' wings
> 2011 south perimeter road, suite g
> fort lauderdale, florida 33309-7135
> 305-389-1742 wireless
> 954-776-0527 fax
> 954-345-4276 home/fax
>
> www.iflyqpa.com/cas

Paul, if you do not have your newsreader program set to plain text, instead
of HTML, how about changing it? In order to read your text, I have to
enlarge it.
--
Jim in NC

[Tom S.]

"Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> I expect the XM weather to be introduced at the same time the 430/530 get
> upgraded to WAAS.
>
Or you can get a CNX80 and subscribe to WSI