Orlando Executive airport after Charley hit

[Gilan]

http://www.flyinggators.com/news/hurricane/exec.htm

If anyone has more pictures of Executive airport after hurricane Charley hit
please send them to me.

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[Anthony]

"Gilan" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> http://www.flyinggators.com/news/hurricane/exec.htm
>
> If anyone has more pictures of Executive airport after hurricane Charley
hit
> please send them to me.

I hope they were all insured.

Tony

[Patrick Mayer]

Gee... 76RM looked a lot nicer when I returned it the other week. But I
guess that doesn't matter anymore :-((

Patrick

[Clyde Torres]

"Anthony" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gilan" > wrote in message
> hlink.net...
> > http://www.flyinggators.com/news/hurricane/exec.htm
> >
> > If anyone has more pictures of Executive airport after hurricane Charley
> hit
> > please send them to me.
>
> I hope they were all insured.
>
> Tony

Unless they owed money on them, they probably were not insured except for
liability.

Clyde

[SeeAndAvoid]

How did ISM fare?

Chris
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"Clyde Torres" > wrote in message
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> "Anthony" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Gilan" > wrote in message
> > hlink.net...
> > > http://www.flyinggators.com/news/hurricane/exec.htm
> > >
> > > If anyone has more pictures of Executive airport after hurricane
Charley
> > hit
> > > please send them to me.
> >
> > I hope they were all insured.
> >
> > Tony
>
> Unless they owed money on them, they probably were not insured except for
> liability.
>
> Clyde
>
>

[Gilan]

added 16 more photos today.

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[C Kingsbury]

"Clyde Torres" > wrote in message >...
>
> Unless they owed money on them, they probably were not insured except for
> liability.
>

Owning an airplane you can't afford to insure at least when it's tied
down seems like a rather unenjoyable form of gambling. At least in
Vegas you get pretty girls brining you free booze while you watch your
money get swept off the table.

-cwk.

[Clyde Torres]

"C Kingsbury" > wrote in message
om...
> "Clyde Torres" > wrote in message
>...
> >
> > Unless they owed money on them, they probably were not insured except
for
> > liability.
> >
>
> Owning an airplane you can't afford to insure at least when it's tied
> down seems like a rather unenjoyable form of gambling. At least in
> Vegas you get pretty girls brining you free booze while you watch your
> money get swept off the table.
>
> -cwk.

Well, then talk to roughly 90% of the owners out there and straighten them
out. I don't own an airplane - yet, but I do know that the vast majority of
owners out there only pay for liability insurance and risk the hull damage
themselves, unless of course they are financing the airplane. Then the
lenders tell you that you have to have the hull insurance.

Clyde Torres

[Bob Noel]

In article >, "Clyde
Torres" > wrote:

> Well, then talk to roughly 90% of the owners out there and straighten
> them
> out. I don't own an airplane - yet, but I do know that the vast majority
> of
> owners out there only pay for liability insurance and risk the hull
> damage
> themselves, unless of course they are financing the airplane. Then the
> lenders tell you that you have to have the hull insurance.
>
> Clyde Torres

hmmm, although my sample size isn't big, I don't know any owners
without hull insurance.

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

[Peter Duniho]

"Clyde Torres" > wrote in message
...
> Well, then talk to roughly 90% of the owners out there and straighten them
> out. I don't own an airplane - yet, but I do know that the vast majority
of
> owners out there only pay for liability insurance and risk the hull damage
> themselves

How do you "know" that? It certainly doesn't match my experience as an
owner, and as someone that knows many other owners. Even when the airplane
is owned free and clear.

Are you an insurance broker? Underwriter? Have you done a statistically
significant owner survey? What is the basis for your claim that 90% of all
owners carry no hull insurance? If so few people are carrying hull
insurance, why is it that the rising hull insurance costs are causing such a
huge problem in general aviation?

Pete

[Clyde Torres]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "Clyde Torres" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Well, then talk to roughly 90% of the owners out there and straighten
them
> > out. I don't own an airplane - yet, but I do know that the vast
majority
> of
> > owners out there only pay for liability insurance and risk the hull
damage
> > themselves
>
> How do you "know" that? It certainly doesn't match my experience as an
> owner, and as someone that knows many other owners. Even when the
airplane
> is owned free and clear.
>
> Are you an insurance broker? Underwriter? Have you done a statistically
> significant owner survey? What is the basis for your claim that 90% of
all
> owners carry no hull insurance? If so few people are carrying hull
> insurance, why is it that the rising hull insurance costs are causing such
a
> huge problem in general aviation?
>
> Pete

I am not an insurance broker, but I do know a lot of pilots/owners. The 90%
is just a guess on my part, but I feel that it is close. The rising hull
insurance costs are precisely the reason that a lot of owners do not have
this insurance. You hit it right on the spot.

Perhaps an underwriter can chime in and throw out some "statistically
correct" figures.

Clyde

[Peter Duniho]

"Clyde Torres" > wrote in message
.. .
> [...] The 90% is just a guess on my part

Are you generally in the habit of claiming to know something even when
you're only guessing?

It's my equally uninformed opinion that your guess of 90% isn't even close.

In spite of rising insurance costs, hull insurance is still a very small
fraction of the total hull value. Heck, even for my seaplane, I'm "only"
paying 2.5% of the hull value annually and for lower-risk aircraft the
percentage is much lower.

Very few aircraft owners are so well off that they can afford to just write
off the loss of an aircraft, and there is no way that 90% of all aircraft
owners have decided to take that risk, especially when the savings is so
tiny compared to the risk of loss.

Pete

[Robert Bates]

As a West Coast pilot, can anyone explain to me why people don't move their
aircraft out of the way of these storms? I'd call in sick and miss a day of
work before I risked by 30K+ investment.



"Gilan" > wrote in message
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> added 16 more photos today.
>
> --
> Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
> See ya on Sport Aircraft group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/
>
>

[Vaughn]

"Robert Bates" > wrote in message
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> As a West Coast pilot, can anyone explain to me why people don't move their
> aircraft out of the way of these storms? I'd call in sick and miss a day of
> work before I risked by 30K+ investment.

I also find this strange. As always, some were probably waiting on parts,
out of license, or otherwise could not be moved. That said, I don't think that
there is a certified aircraft made that lacks the range and speed to be flown
out of the path of a hurricane given a few hours warning. I paid a visit to F45
(outside West Palm Beach) the morning of the storm and found only two planes
still tied up outside. What is wrong with the Orlando guys? Perhaps they think
they are immune because they are 50 miles from the coast?


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>
>
> "Gilan" > wrote in message
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> > added 16 more photos today.
> >
> > --
> > Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
> > See ya on Sport Aircraft group
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/
> >
> >
>
>

[Gilan]

just added another 40 pictures

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[Bryan Burchfield]

"Vaughn" wrote:

> I don't think that there is a certified aircraft made that lacks the
> range and speed to be flown out of the path of a hurricane given a
> few hours warning.

When you only have a few hours warning - which is all we had here in
Orlando - I think it's natural to be more concerned with preparing your
home and family than your airplane.

Sadly, a lot of people moved their airplanes from the Tampa area, where the
storm was forecasted to make landfall, to the Orlando area to get them out
of the way. As it turned out, Tampa barely got rained on and we got
hammered. The only sure way not to get hit by a hurricane in Florida is to
not be in Florida.


B

[kontiki]

Excellent pics, thanks for posting them. I'm very sorry to see all those
aircraft ruined though.

Gilan wrote:
> just added another 40 pictures
>

[Bob Moore]

"Robert Bates" wrote

> As a West Coast pilot, can anyone explain to me why people don't move
> their aircraft out of the way of these storms? I'd call in sick and
> miss a day of work before I risked by 30K+ investment.

OK, I fly my 30K 1959 C-172 to safety, what happens to my 40K SUV
and the 35K boat? The auto is a lot easier to relocate, more of a
necessity after the storm and the insurance company is going to
replace any loss anyway.

Bob Moore

[Clyde Torres]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "Clyde Torres" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > [...] The 90% is just a guess on my part
>
> Are you generally in the habit of claiming to know something even when
> you're only guessing?
>
> It's my equally uninformed opinion that your guess of 90% isn't even
close.
>
> In spite of rising insurance costs, hull insurance is still a very small
> fraction of the total hull value. Heck, even for my seaplane, I'm "only"
> paying 2.5% of the hull value annually and for lower-risk aircraft the
> percentage is much lower.
>
> Very few aircraft owners are so well off that they can afford to just
write
> off the loss of an aircraft, and there is no way that 90% of all aircraft
> owners have decided to take that risk, especially when the savings is so
> tiny compared to the risk of loss.
>
> Pete

Okay.

[Mike Noel]

Are there any 'lessons learned' out of all of this aircraft destruction?
Did any tie down methods seem to work better than others? Did more aircraft
survive in hangars than on the ramp? And ultimately, it might be nice to
know if some insurance companies provided better service than others.

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"Clyde Torres" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Clyde Torres" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Well, then talk to roughly 90% of the owners out there and straighten
> them
> > > out. I don't own an airplane - yet, but I do know that the vast
> majority
> > of
> > > owners out there only pay for liability insurance and risk the hull
> damage
> > > themselves
> >
> > How do you "know" that? It certainly doesn't match my experience as an
> > owner, and as someone that knows many other owners. Even when the
> airplane
> > is owned free and clear.
> >
> > Are you an insurance broker? Underwriter? Have you done a
statistically
> > significant owner survey? What is the basis for your claim that 90% of
> all
> > owners carry no hull insurance? If so few people are carrying hull
> > insurance, why is it that the rising hull insurance costs are causing
such
> a
> > huge problem in general aviation?
> >
> > Pete
>
> I am not an insurance broker, but I do know a lot of pilots/owners. The
90%
> is just a guess on my part, but I feel that it is close. The rising hull
> insurance costs are precisely the reason that a lot of owners do not have
> this insurance. You hit it right on the spot.
>
> Perhaps an underwriter can chime in and throw out some "statistically
> correct" figures.
>
> Clyde
>
>

[Ryan Ferguson]

Clyde Torres wrote:

> Unless they owed money on them, they probably were not insured except for
> liability.

Not a one of the airplanes on the AO ramp were without hull insurance.

[Dave Butler]

Robert Bates wrote:
> As a West Coast pilot, can anyone explain to me why people don't move their
> aircraft out of the way of these storms? I'd call in sick and miss a day of
> work before I risked by 30K+ investment.

1. That's what I have insurance for.

2. I have other more expensive assets (house) that I don't want to leave (unless
there's an evacuation order, of course).

3. Funny (maybe) story about hurricane Fran, 1996. I'm based at Raleigh-Durham,
about 150 or so miles inland. Fran was forecast to come ashore at Wilmington, on
the coast. Fran didn't read the forecasts, mostly missed Wilmington, hit
Raleigh-Durham pretty hard. As far as I know the only aircraft damaged at
Raleigh-Durham was one based at Wilmington that the owner had flown to RDU to
get it out of the way of the hurricane.

[Victor J. Osborne, Jr.]

Himmacanes (aka Charley, Andrew) just go straight ahead, don't stop w/o
turning. So see where they're pointing and get out of the way.

Buuut those Hurricanes wander about, turn w/o signaling and just plain go
where they want and you w/ have no idea where that w/b.

Thx, {|;-)

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.

[C Kingsbury]

"Clyde Torres" > wrote in message >...

> I am not an insurance broker, but I do know a lot of pilots/owners. The 90%
> is just a guess on my part, but I feel that it is close. The rising hull
> insurance costs are precisely the reason that a lot of owners do not have
> this insurance. You hit it right on the spot.

Where are you? I could see at some small field way out in the sticks
with mostly older planes long since paid for that a significant
(though I'll never believe 90%) number of guys cut corners on
insurance just as they do on gas, maintenance, tie-down ropes and
everything else. Maybe in the Southwest or Rocky Mountain states where
you haven't got hurricanes or tornadoes to worry so much about this
wouldn't be completely idiotic, just risky.

-cwk.

[Paul Lee]

Its curious that about all the damaged planes in the photos were
high wing Cesna's - relatively large wing spans. No Archer's etc?

"Gilan" > wrote in message .net>...
> http://www.flyinggators.com/news/hurricane/exec.htm
>
> If anyone has more pictures of Executive airport after hurricane Charley hit
> please send them to me.

[MontyJ]

(Paul Lee) wrote in message >...
> Its curious that about all the damaged planes in the photos were
> high wing Cesna's - relatively large wing spans. No Archer's etc?
>
> "Gilan" > wrote in message .net>...
> > http://www.flyinggators.com/news/hurricane/exec.htm
> >
> > If anyone has more pictures of Executive airport after hurricane Charley hit
> > please send them to me.

Since a lot of those planes will go to the insurance companies,
anybody know how/where they may sell them off?

Monty

[Clyde Torres]

"Gilan" > wrote in message
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> added 16 more photos today.
>
> --
> Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
> See ya on Sport Aircraft group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/
>

I sent this guy some great photos, but he never acknowledged receiving them
or thank me for them.

Meanwhile, I have received some photos taken by someone else. These are
dynamite photos taken by someone inside the airport a couple of days
afterward. These are the best photos I've seen to date of what happened at
KORL. I won't send them, though, because I believe that people should
acknowledge receipt of goods, especially if they asked for them.

Clyde Torres

[Gilan]

you didn't send any photos to me !!!
if you would like to try sending them again I will make sure to look for
them.
If I received them I would have let you know that.
Just because you send something doesn't mean they get received on the other
end.
I will be more than happy to put up the pictures.

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"Clyde Torres" wrote in message ...
>
> I sent this guy some great photos, but he never acknowledged receiving
them
> or thank me for them.
>
> Meanwhile, I have received some photos taken by someone else. These are
> dynamite photos taken by someone inside the airport a couple of days
> afterward. These are the best photos I've seen to date of what happened
at
> KORL. I won't send them, though, because I believe that people should
> acknowledge receipt of goods, especially if they asked for them.
>
> Clyde Torres
>
>

[Gilan]

still waiting to see those pictures

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"Clyde Torres" wrote in message >
> I sent this guy some great photos, but he never acknowledged receiving
them
> or thank me for them.
>
> Meanwhile, I have received some photos taken by someone else. These are
> dynamite photos taken by someone inside the airport a couple of days
> afterward. These are the best photos I've seen to date of what happened
at
> KORL. I won't send them, though, because I believe that people should
> acknowledge receipt of goods, especially if they asked for them.
>
> Clyde Torres
>
>