Pilots and driving

[Andrew Sarangan]

I remember a discussion recently whether pilots are safer drivers. I
believed that to be true until recently. As a pilot, I tend to look up at
the sky while driving, particularly if an airplane is flying. The other day
I was looking up at the clouds to figure out which direction the wind was
blowing. The car in front of me made a sudden stop. You guessed it. I ran
into that car. This would not have happened had I not been a pilot
distracted by the sky. This is my first auto-incident ever, in twenty years
of driving. I guess that still makes me a safe driver, but not as safe as I
thought I was.

[Mark]

Remember. . .even while taxiing, ALWAYS FLY THE CAR!

[Ender]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> I remember a discussion recently whether pilots are safer drivers. I
> believed that to be true until recently. As a pilot, I tend to look up at
> the sky while driving, particularly if an airplane is flying. The other day
> I was looking up at the clouds to figure out which direction the wind was
> blowing. The car in front of me made a sudden stop. You guessed it. I ran
> into that car. This would not have happened had I not been a pilot
> distracted by the sky. This is my first auto-incident ever, in twenty years
> of driving. I guess that still makes me a safe driver, but not as safe as I
> thought I was.
>

On the commercial end of things, the pager can often get you into
trouble when you're rushing to the airport.

I find that when I'm not gazing at the sky, my situational awareness is
much better than before I learned to fly.

[Dudley Henriques]

"Ender" > wrote in message
news:cnvXc.13524$A8.9567@edtnps89...

> I find that when I'm not gazing at the sky, my situational awareness
is
> much better than before I learned to fly.


Charlie Brown and the gang from "Peanuts" were all lying on a hillside
one sunny day staring at the sky trying to make objects out of the
Cumulus clouds.
Linus said, "In that one over there, I see the Spartans hovering over
the valley at the battle of Thermopylae . I see ten thousand Greeks
charging into the valley and the glittering light is shining off the
points of their spears as they advance. Look over there....I see Moses
parting the Red Sea as thousands of chariots chase him and are devoured
by the returning mountainous waves of angry water.
What do YOU see Charlie Brown?"

"Well..........I'm not absolutely certain mind you, but in that one over
there.....I THINK I see a cat!"

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired

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[Dudley Henriques]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
ink.net...

Just to be fair to my hero Charles Shultz!
As it actually appeared in the strip.

"LUCY: If you use your imagination, you can see lots of things in the
cloud formations...what do you think you see, Linus?

LINUS: Well, those clouds up there look to me like the map of the
British Honduras on the Caribbean...that cloud up there looks a little
like the profile of Thomas Eakins, the famous painter and sculptor...and
that group of clouds over there gives me the impression of the stoning
of Stephen...I can see the Apostle Paul standing there to one side....

LUCY: Uh huh....that's very good....what do you see in the clouds,
Charlie Brown?

CHARLIE BROWN (growing alarmed): Well, I was going to say I saw a
ducky and a horsie, but I changed my mind!"

[Steve Bukosky]

On 26 Aug 2004 23:48:04 GMT, Andrew Sarangan
> wrote:

>
>I remember a discussion recently whether pilots are safer drivers. I
>believed that to be true until recently. As a pilot, I tend to look up at
>the sky while driving, particularly if an airplane is flying. The other day
>I was looking up at the clouds to figure out which direction the wind was
>blowing. The car in front of me made a sudden stop. You guessed it. I ran
>into that car. This would not have happened had I not been a pilot
>distracted by the sky. This is my first auto-incident ever, in twenty years
>of driving. I guess that still makes me a safe driver, but not as safe as I
>thought I was.

I sympathize. I rear ended a 52 Ford that stopped suddenly. I was on
a Honda 50 "Super Cub" riding to 02C to work on my Triumph Bonneville
that was in the main hanger. I looked over my shoulder to check
overtaking traffic and then Whamo. Ultralights and regular traffic
don't mix! <G>

[G.R. Patterson III]

Steve Bukosky wrote:
>
> I sympathize. I rear ended a 52 Ford that stopped suddenly.

You had me believing you up to that point. No American car of that era had brakes
that would let it "stop suddenly". :-)

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

[Ratty Boy]

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:37:28 GMT, Ender > wrote:

>Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>> I remember a discussion recently whether pilots are safer drivers. I
>> believed that to be true until recently. As a pilot, I tend to look up at
>> the sky while driving, particularly if an airplane is flying. The other day
>> I was looking up at the clouds to figure out which direction the wind was
>> blowing. The car in front of me made a sudden stop. You guessed it. I ran
>> into that car. This would not have happened had I not been a pilot
>> distracted by the sky. This is my first auto-incident ever, in twenty years
>> of driving. I guess that still makes me a safe driver, but not as safe as I
>> thought I was.
>>
>
>On the commercial end of things, the pager can often get you into
>trouble when you're rushing to the airport.
>
>I find that when I'm not gazing at the sky, my situational awareness is
>much better than before I learned to fly.

I see that I'm not the only one to gaze at the sky. I recently spent
some time on the porch watching a T-Storm build up in the distance.
It's still cheaper to have a cocaine habit than a flying habit. But
damn, I think flying has to be more fun in the long run.

[Ratty Boy]

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:59:53 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote:

>For personal email, please
>replace the at with what goes there and
>take out the Z's please!
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You know that using earthlink is bad karma.....

[Kees Mies]

Andrew Sarangan > wrote in message >...
> I remember a discussion recently whether pilots are safer drivers. I
> believed that to be true until recently. As a pilot, I tend to look up at
> the sky while driving, particularly if an airplane is flying. The other day
> I was looking up at the clouds to figure out which direction the wind was
> blowing. The car in front of me made a sudden stop. You guessed it. I ran
> into that car. This would not have happened had I not been a pilot
> distracted by the sky. This is my first auto-incident ever, in twenty years
> of driving. I guess that still makes me a safe driver, but not as safe as I
> thought I was.

Hi Andrew,

You are just like me, a very safe driver as long there is nothing to
see up there.
I always get the remark "I'am not afraid to fly with you, the driving
to the airport that is really scary".
I'm not to blame, the runway extension is over the highway and as a
pilot I'm obliged to check the latest wheater info so I look if they
come in or take off in a wobbly manner ;-)
I hope you are ok.

-Kees.

[Adam K.]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message et>...
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
> Just to be fair to my hero Charles Shultz!
> As it actually appeared in the strip.
>

The late Mr. Schulz was honored with an airport:

Charles M. Schulz - Sonoma County (STS)

Of course his flying dog, still very much alive, only got an intersection:

SNUPY

ak.

[Roger Long]

Right after my checkride, I noticed that my car didn't seem to have as much
pep as it used to. I realized that I was driving exactly at the speed
limit. Every time I passed a speed sign, my brain would register it
unconsciously and I would set the speedometer exactly to the number. It was
spooky.

Of course, it didn't last. Now my brain unconsciously tries to set the
speedometer to the IAS it's used to seeing in the plane:)

--

Roger Long

[gatt]

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message

> You guessed it. I ran into that car.

Look on the bright side! You avoided a mid-air collision. :>
Glad you're safe.
-=c

[Gene Seibel]

Andrew Sarangan > wrote in message >...
> I remember a discussion recently whether pilots are safer drivers. I
> believed that to be true until recently. As a pilot, I tend to look up at
> the sky while driving, particularly if an airplane is flying. The other day
> I was looking up at the clouds to figure out which direction the wind was
> blowing. The car in front of me made a sudden stop. You guessed it. I ran
> into that car. This would not have happened had I not been a pilot
> distracted by the sky. This is my first auto-incident ever, in twenty years
> of driving. I guess that still makes me a safe driver, but not as safe as I
> thought I was.

My sister claims she'd much rather fly than drive with me.....
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

[gatt]

"Adam K." > wrote in message

> Of course his flying dog, still very much alive, only got an intersection:
>
> SNUPY

Thanks for sharing that. What a worthy legacy. Have a great day!

-c

[David Brooks]

"Roger Long" > wrote in message
...
> Right after my checkride, I noticed that my car didn't seem to have as
much
> pep as it used to. I realized that I was driving exactly at the speed
> limit. Every time I passed a speed sign, my brain would register it
> unconsciously and I would set the speedometer exactly to the number. It
was
> spooky.
>
> Of course, it didn't last. Now my brain unconsciously tries to set the
> speedometer to the IAS it's used to seeing in the plane:)

I know what you mean. After I got an aerobatic ride in a Delfin L-29 at
Lydd, I drove back to London. On the M20, at what I thought was a normal
cruise setting on the gas, I looked down and realized I was bowling along at
98mph. In a Ford Focus.

Of course I adjusted the needle to the exact 100. I suppose there were no
cameras working that day.

-- David Brooks

[Kevin Darling]

(Kees Mies) wrote in message >...
> You are just like me, a very safe driver as long there is nothing to
> see up there.
> I always get the remark "I'am not afraid to fly with you, the driving
> to the airport that is really scary".

Aha! Perhaps this where the old saying came from that "The drive to
the airport is much more dangerous than the actual flying".... not
from statistics, but from spouses and friends riding with the pilot
driving a car!

[C Kingsbury]

"Roger Long" > wrote in message >...

> limit. Every time I passed a speed sign, my brain would register it
> unconsciously and I would set the speedometer exactly to the number. It was
> spooky.

And to think people consider it unsafe to be driving, tuning the
radio, folding a map, and talking on your cellphone all at the same
time. And in most of the country you don't even have holds to worry
about (up here in Boston we call them "rotaries").

-cwk.

[C Kingsbury]

"Mark" > wrote in message >...
> Remember. . .even while taxiing, ALWAYS FLY THE CAR!

In all seriousness, very true!

Most pilots are at least occasionally obliged to push their planes'
performance envelopes even just a little- stalls, short field, etc. On
the other hand the average driver has no idea what he or his car is
really capable of, good or bad.

-cwk.

[JohnT.]

In Wisconsin, there is a MOA called Snoopy.

John

[Andrew Sarangan]

(Kevin Darling) wrote in
om:

> (Kees Mies) wrote in message
> >...
>> You are just like me, a very safe driver as long there is nothing to
>> see up there.
>> I always get the remark "I'am not afraid to fly with you, the driving
>> to the airport that is really scary".
>
> Aha! Perhaps this where the old saying came from that "The drive to
> the airport is much more dangerous than the actual flying".... not
> from statistics, but from spouses and friends riding with the pilot
> driving a car!


Almost immediately after the accident, I got into the airplane and went on
a long trip. The phrase 'the drive to the airport is more dangerous than
the flying" rang really true to me.

[Colin Gibb]

wow, it sure feels good that I'm not alone...I find I'm doing that all the
time...looking at the clouds, estimating how low they are, thinking about
whether or not it would be a good day to fly. I've even caught myself doing
it for a little too long while driving...thankfully the traffic in front of
me kept moving :)





"Ratty Boy" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:37:28 GMT, Ender > wrote:
>
> >Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> >> I remember a discussion recently whether pilots are safer drivers. I
> >> believed that to be true until recently. As a pilot, I tend to look up
at
> >> the sky while driving, particularly if an airplane is flying. The other
day
> >> I was looking up at the clouds to figure out which direction the wind
was
> >> blowing. The car in front of me made a sudden stop. You guessed it. I
ran
> >> into that car. This would not have happened had I not been a pilot
> >> distracted by the sky. This is my first auto-incident ever, in twenty
years
> >> of driving. I guess that still makes me a safe driver, but not as safe
as I
> >> thought I was.
> >>
> >
> >On the commercial end of things, the pager can often get you into
> >trouble when you're rushing to the airport.
> >
> >I find that when I'm not gazing at the sky, my situational awareness is
> >much better than before I learned to fly.
>
> I see that I'm not the only one to gaze at the sky. I recently spent
> some time on the porch watching a T-Storm build up in the distance.
> It's still cheaper to have a cocaine habit than a flying habit. But
> damn, I think flying has to be more fun in the long run.
>

[Andrew Sarangan]

I got away with that habit for several years. But be careful. It bit me
finally. An accident is a very humiliating experience. I can tell that
from experience.




"Colin Gibb" > wrote in
:

> wow, it sure feels good that I'm not alone...I find I'm doing that all
> the time...looking at the clouds, estimating how low they are,
> thinking about whether or not it would be a good day to fly. I've
> even caught myself doing it for a little too long while
> driving...thankfully the traffic in front of me kept moving :)
>
>
>
>
>
> "Ratty Boy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:37:28 GMT, Ender > wrote:
>>
>> >Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>> >> I remember a discussion recently whether pilots are safer drivers.
>> >> I believed that to be true until recently. As a pilot, I tend to
>> >> look up
> at
>> >> the sky while driving, particularly if an airplane is flying. The
>> >> other
> day
>> >> I was looking up at the clouds to figure out which direction the
>> >> wind
> was
>> >> blowing. The car in front of me made a sudden stop. You guessed
>> >> it. I
> ran
>> >> into that car. This would not have happened had I not been a pilot
>> >> distracted by the sky. This is my first auto-incident ever, in
>> >> twenty
> years
>> >> of driving. I guess that still makes me a safe driver, but not as
>> >> safe
> as I
>> >> thought I was.
>> >>
>> >
>> >On the commercial end of things, the pager can often get you into
>> >trouble when you're rushing to the airport.
>> >
>> >I find that when I'm not gazing at the sky, my situational awareness
>> >is much better than before I learned to fly.
>>
>> I see that I'm not the only one to gaze at the sky. I recently spent
>> some time on the porch watching a T-Storm build up in the distance.
>> It's still cheaper to have a cocaine habit than a flying habit. But
>> damn, I think flying has to be more fun in the long run.
>>
>
>
>

[Jeff Glenn]

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> I remember a discussion recently whether pilots are safer drivers. I
> believed that to be true until recently. As a pilot, I tend to look up at
> the sky while driving, particularly if an airplane is flying. The other day
> I was looking up at the clouds to figure out which direction the wind was
> blowing. The car in front of me made a sudden stop. You guessed it. I ran
> into that car. This would not have happened had I not been a pilot
> distracted by the sky. This is my first auto-incident ever, in twenty years
> of driving. I guess that still makes me a safe driver, but not as safe as I
> thought I was.
>

In San Diego two major freeways merge not far from the end of the main
runways at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station (former Miramar Naval Air
Station - home of Top Gun). There is a lot of lane changing with fast
and slow traffic crossing in front of each other, numerous entrance and
exit ramps, and there are commuter lanes in the center divider that
change direction with the commute. Traffic is always heavy and driving
through this mess requires intense concentration and quick reactions.

Just a few hundred feet above this chaos F/A 18s are making the turn to
final.

I find it extremely difficult to not be distracted by these low-flying
warplanes while avoiding cars all around me. It gets worse in the days
before the annual air show when a large variety of interesting planes
are flying in. A BUFF or C5B on short final really gets your attention!

I've managed to avoid any accidents so far, but it's not easy.


Are there any other places that have high potential for pilot
distraction while driving?



Jeff

Yeah, stay away from Chino airport unless you're actually going to the
airport. And even then, be careful. It's all farm land out there, for now,
and the main road goes right across the departure end of the runways. At any
point (especially the first Saturday of every month), you could be overflown
by B-25s, P-51s, P-38s, or any of a number of other planes. The first
Satruday of the month, the museum there features a certain airplane or
person or era and flies something relating to it. I got to their annual
airshow a little late this year, arriving just as they were doing their
naval airpower demo. Hellcats, Wildcats, Bearcats, Tigercats, an Avenger,
and Skyraiders were part of this, among others.

Man, now I want to go. Oooh, next weekend is "Royal Air Force In Action"
according to their website. I might have to take a trip out there.......

-Tony
Student Pilot
31.3 Hours


"Jeff Glenn" wrote...

> In San Diego two major freeways merge not far from the end of the main
> runways at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station (former Miramar Naval Air
> Station - home of Top Gun). There is a lot of lane changing with fast
> and slow traffic crossing in front of each other, numerous entrance and
> exit ramps, and there are commuter lanes in the center divider that
> change direction with the commute. Traffic is always heavy and driving
> through this mess requires intense concentration and quick reactions.
>
> Just a few hundred feet above this chaos F/A 18s are making the turn to
> final.
>
> I find it extremely difficult to not be distracted by these low-flying
> warplanes while avoiding cars all around me. It gets worse in the days
> before the annual air show when a large variety of interesting planes
> are flying in. A BUFF or C5B on short final really gets your attention!
>
> I've managed to avoid any accidents so far, but it's not easy.
>
>
> Are there any other places that have high potential for pilot
> distraction while driving?
>
>
>
> Jeff
>

[Henry Kisor]

What is it about Chino, anyway? Some years ago I took a ride on a DC-3 that
was part of an air show at Cable airport in Upland, Calif. When I climbed
aboard I noticed a definite aroma of cow manure. I thought maybe the
airplane had been used as a fertilizer hauler, but it had all its passenger
seats. Back on the ground I asked a bystander if he had any idea why the
plane was redolent of cattle poop. "Oh, it's from Chino," he said, as if
that explained it all, and he offered no details.

> wrote in message
...
> Yeah, stay away from Chino airport unless you're actually going to the
> airport.

[tony roberts]

The biggest problem that I have is remembering not to straddle the
yellow line :)

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

In article >,
Andrew Sarangan > wrote:

> I remember a discussion recently whether pilots are safer drivers. I
> believed that to be true until recently. As a pilot, I tend to look up at
> the sky while driving, particularly if an airplane is flying. The other day
> I was looking up at the clouds to figure out which direction the wind was
> blowing. The car in front of me made a sudden stop. You guessed it. I ran
> into that car. This would not have happened had I not been a pilot
> distracted by the sky. This is my first auto-incident ever, in twenty years
> of driving. I guess that still makes me a safe driver, but not as safe as I
> thought I was.




--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

Chino is, for the time being, surrounded by farmland. The aroma is part of
the experience and makes it Chino. I tried to tell my friends this as we
passed fields of cows and sheep. They didn't buy it. I guess you have to
really love the airplanes.


-Tony
Student Pilot
31.3 Hours



"Henry Kisor" wrote...
> What is it about Chino, anyway? Some years ago I took a ride on a DC-3
that
> was part of an air show at Cable airport in Upland, Calif. When I climbed
> aboard I noticed a definite aroma of cow manure. I thought maybe the
> airplane had been used as a fertilizer hauler, but it had all its
passenger
> seats. Back on the ground I asked a bystander if he had any idea why the
> plane was redolent of cattle poop. "Oh, it's from Chino," he said, as if
> that explained it all, and he offered no details.
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > Yeah, stay away from Chino airport unless you're actually going to the
> > airport.
>
>

[Cub Driver]

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:47:17 -0500, "Henry Kisor"
> wrote:

>plane was redolent of cattle poop. "Oh, it's from Chino," he said, as if
>that explained it all, and he offered no details.

Well, there are stockyards all along the road to Chino, but that
shouldn't linger in the aircraft.

When I did stalls/aerobatic training at Chandler AZ, in hot March
weather, I drove past a stockyard on my way back to the motel, at noon
and again at four o'clock. Each day the smell made me just a bit more
queasy. I don't think I could have done a sixth day of aerobatics.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

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[XMnushaL8y]

Cub Driver warbird wrote:
>When I did stalls/aerobatic training at Chandler
>AZ, in hot March weather, I drove past a stockyard
>on my way back to the motel, at noon and again at
>four o'clock. Each day the smell made me just a bit
>more queasy. I don't think I could have done a sixth
>day of aerobatics.

If you're driving past them, sure. The air in the early a.m. at Chandler smells
like the stockyard, and if you're in an open cockpit, there's probably no
avoiding it at last near the airport, but our other *airplanes* don't smell
like cows inside! (that's pretty strange!)

[Markus Voget]

Jeff Glenn > wrote:

> Are there any other places that have high potential for pilot
> distraction while driving?

My daily commute is a motorway that runs more or less parallel to the
approach path of ELLX (Luxembourg). After many miles, the motorway crosses
underneath the runway over-run (see a picture at
http://www.laca.lu/typo3temp/e3d3be8b25.jpg).

ELLX has a big cargo airline on the field, so on many days I get to see a
nice 747-400, among lots of smaller traffic. Most spectular is a heavy jet
just departing when I go underneath the runway. I have had days where the
roar directly over my head was the first clue of a take-off taking place.
This particular experience has influenced the equipment choices for my
current car, where I specified a transparent sunroof. :-)


Greetings,
Markus

[Gene Seibel]

"Henry Kisor" > wrote in message >...
> What is it about Chino, anyway? Some years ago I took a ride on a DC-3 that
> was part of an air show at Cable airport in Upland, Calif. When I climbed
> aboard I noticed a definite aroma of cow manure.

I have flown over feedlots in Kansas and noticed a definite odor at
over 1000 feet. Also, odor from grass fires gets really strong too.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Cub Driver wrote:
>
> Well, there are stockyards all along the road to Chino, but that
> shouldn't linger in the aircraft.

Well, a DC-3 is likely to stay on the ground most of the time. After sitting in that
atmosphere for a long time, I think it would take lots of airing out to remove the
smell.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

[Ditch]

>Well, there are stockyards all along the road to Chino, but that
>shouldn't linger in the aircraft.
>

Maybe not, but it likes to linger every where else.
I smelled it just the other morning while getting ready to buzz out of
Ontario..
I even smelled it when I lived in Anaheim when the winds were blowing just
right.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

[Jeff Glenn]

Cub Driver wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:47:17 -0500, "Henry Kisor"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>plane was redolent of cattle poop. "Oh, it's from Chino," he said, as if
>>that explained it all, and he offered no details.
>
>
> Well, there are stockyards all along the road to Chino, but that
> shouldn't linger in the aircraft.
>

Once, while driving down the freeway east of Chino during Santa Ana
winds, I noticed that there was a lot of brown stuff from a nearby
stockyard moving horizontally across the freeway. Hot, dry winds can
carry manure dust everywhere and some of it probably gets into airplanes
at Chino.




- Jeff

[Brian Burger]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Gene Seibel wrote:

> "Henry Kisor" > wrote in message >...
> > What is it about Chino, anyway? Some years ago I took a ride on a DC-3 that
> > was part of an air show at Cable airport in Upland, Calif. When I climbed
> > aboard I noticed a definite aroma of cow manure.
>
> I have flown over feedlots in Kansas and noticed a definite odor at
> over 1000 feet. Also, odor from grass fires gets really strong too.

Pulp & paper mills can be nasty smelling at 2500ft or more above them...
there's a mill below one of our local practice areas, and on a hot day it
reeks up there. Add a bit of turbulence and a hood, and you're not going
to have much fun after a while.

That was the only inst. flight I ever had to tell the instructor I was
taking the hood off, because I was afraid I was going to loose it (and my
lunch...)!

Brian.

[Cub Driver]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:48:24 -0700, Jeff Glenn >
wrote:

>Once, while driving down the freeway east of Chino during Santa Ana
>winds, I noticed that there was a lot of brown stuff from a nearby
>stockyard moving horizontally across the freeway. Hot, dry winds can
>carry manure dust everywhere and some of it probably gets into airplanes
>at Chino.

Aha!

(Having asthma in Chino must really give you something to think
about.)

I guess the day was calm when I visited Planes of Fame. I smelled the
aroma driving to the airport but didn't notice it particularly while
wandering around.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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[Paul Sengupta]

"Brian Burger" > wrote in message
ia.tc.ca...
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Gene Seibel wrote:
>
> > "Henry Kisor" > wrote in message
>...
> > > What is it about Chino, anyway? Some years ago I took a ride on a DC-3
that
> > > was part of an air show at Cable airport in Upland, Calif. When I
climbed
> > > aboard I noticed a definite aroma of cow manure.
> >
> > I have flown over feedlots in Kansas and noticed a definite odor at
> > over 1000 feet. Also, odor from grass fires gets really strong too.
>
> Pulp & paper mills can be nasty smelling at 2500ft or more above them...

The downwind leg to the north of Bartow in Florida smells of
orange zest. There's an orange processing plant underneath.

Paul

[Brian Burger]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Paul Sengupta wrote:

> "Brian Burger" > wrote in message
>
> > Pulp & paper mills can be nasty smelling at 2500ft or more above them...
>
> The downwind leg to the north of Bartow in Florida smells of
> orange zest. There's an orange processing plant underneath.

I'm betting that smells a LOT better than a pulp mill, although it might
get a bit cloying after a while... "One more circuit, then we're done,
because this plane is starting to smell like cheap potpourri!"

Brian.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Brian Burger wrote:
>
> I'm betting that smells a LOT better than a pulp mill, although it might
> get a bit cloying after a while...

Pulp mills aren't as bad as the old rayon/rubber plants at Enka, NC. Dunno if they're
still there, but people would make long detours to avoid Enka when I was young.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

[lance smith]

Brian Burger > wrote in message .ca>...
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Paul Sengupta wrote:
>
> > "Brian Burger" > wrote in message
> >
> > > Pulp & paper mills can be nasty smelling at 2500ft or more above them...
> >
> > The downwind leg to the north of Bartow in Florida smells of
> > orange zest. There's an orange processing plant underneath.
>
> I'm betting that smells a LOT better than a pulp mill, although it might
> get a bit cloying after a while... "One more circuit, then we're done,
> because this plane is starting to smell like cheap potpourri!"
>
> Brian.

Flying over Chino, CA isn't the wisest for your nasal senses either. I
did a XC at 4500 on a hot summer day and got a nice whiff. The area is
covered with dairy farms.

-lance smith

[Roger Halstead]

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:40:43 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
> wrote:

>
>
>Brian Burger wrote:
>>
>> I'm betting that smells a LOT better than a pulp mill, although it might
>> get a bit cloying after a while...
>
>Pulp mills aren't as bad as the old rayon/rubber plants at Enka, NC. Dunno if they're
>still there, but people would make long detours to avoid Enka when I was young.

Many, many...many, years ago a nearby chemical plant had a small spill
that ended up in their settling ponds. Unfortunately it killed all
the bacteria which was used to break down materials in those ponds.

The smell was indescribable. Other than to say it didn't have the
expected smell of something dead. It was far worse. That really
changed some drivers habits! Particularly those who liked to eat
breakfast, or a snack on the road.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

>
>George Patterson
> If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
> he gives it to.

[Dale]

In article >,
(lance smith) wrote:


>
> Flying over Chino, CA isn't the wisest for your nasal senses either. I
> did a XC at 4500 on a hot summer day and got a nice whiff. The area is
> covered with dairy farms.


I did my ME at ADP on Bracket Field. Most of the approaches were flown
into Chino....you can smell the FAF. <G>

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

[Peter R.]

Roger Halstead wrote:

> The smell was indescribable. Other than to say it didn't have the
> expected smell of something dead. It was far worse. That really
> changed some drivers habits! Particularly those who liked to eat
> breakfast, or a snack on the road.

Not too far from the downwind leg at Syracuse, NY's airport, there used
to be an animal carcass burning plant right along a main commercial road
containing retail stores and restaurants.

Man that was nasty...

--
Peter

[Morgans]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote
>
> Pulp mills aren't as bad as the old rayon/rubber plants at Enka, NC. Dunno
if they're
> still there, but people would make long detours to avoid Enka when I was
young.
>
> George Patterson

Still there. I have heard it referred to as Enka, Stinka.

A little while back, I-40 was shut down because of a slide. The detour took
you right through downtown.
--
Jim in NC

[Roger Halstead]

On 1 Sep 2004 07:44:43 -0700, (lance smith)
wrote:

>Brian Burger > wrote in message .ca>...
>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Paul Sengupta wrote:
>>
>> > "Brian Burger" > wrote in message
>> >
>> > > Pulp & paper mills can be nasty smelling at 2500ft or more above them...
>> >
>> > The downwind leg to the north of Bartow in Florida smells of
>> > orange zest. There's an orange processing plant underneath.
>>
>> I'm betting that smells a LOT better than a pulp mill, although it might
>> get a bit cloying after a while... "One more circuit, then we're done,
>> because this plane is starting to smell like cheap potpourri!"
>>
>> Brian.
>
>Flying over Chino, CA isn't the wisest for your nasal senses either. I
>did a XC at 4500 on a hot summer day and got a nice whiff. The area is
>covered with dairy farms.
>
Dairy farms? Man, that's what fresh country air smells like! <:-))
Just put your Hip Boots on and get in there and shovel. That you can
learn to ignore, or at least your sinuses just quit working.

Now, if you want ripe, try pig farms right after they dump the "honey
wagon". <LOL> We have a large one about a half mile ESE of us and
there is no doubt which way the wind is blowing in the spring. They
work it in within a day or so.

All that effluent is stored underground in big concrete tanks
throughout the Winter. It is then spread on, or rather sprayed on the
fields as fertilizer. I never knew that stuff could spoil before the
advent of the honey wagon. By spring it has had a good chance to
"ripen".

Although widely used in Europe the "Honey Wagon" really didn't
appear, to any extent, in The States until maybe the 60s.

BTW, I was out riding my bike on a nice warm day about two weeks ago.
I had already ridden about 6 miles and was really pushing a good
aerobic workout. Of course I was breathing through my mouth. I was
headed up a shallow hill by the pig farm when I suddenly realized the
wind had changed. It was so thick I had to keep chewing and spitting,
and then rinse my mouth out. (always carry a water bottle <G>)

>-lance smith

Roger (just inhale to get your protein) Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life
member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[G.R. Patterson III]

Morgans wrote:
>
> Still there. I have heard it referred to as Enka, Stinka.

Yep. It was called that when my father was a young man. Maybe before.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

[David Johnson]

I remember flying into King City, CA a few years ago in a helicopter -
while assigned to a forest fire in the area. It's in the Salinas
Valley, known for extensive agriculture. King City has several processing
plants - one right next to the airport. I could smell the onions at
2000 feet. Not so bad as to bring tears to my eyes, though.

My home airport belongs to the county - and the sheriff runs an honor
farm right next to it. You guessed it - they raise pigs there (and
feed them the garbage from the jail). Your nose will tell you which
way the wind is blowing.

However, my most serious encounter with unwanted aromas in connection
with aviation came when I attended the air show at Abbotsford B.C.
20 or so years ago. Camped under the wing - just like Oshkosh - but
took no notice of the chicken farm next door. Until the next morning,
that is - when the wind had shifted. The smell was indescribable.
What an awful way to wake up!

David Johnson

[Paul Sengupta]

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Not too far from the downwind leg at Syracuse, NY's airport, there used
> to be an animal carcass burning plant

Got one of those next to our office.

Smells sometimes outside the office. Always smells walking past it.
It's not in continuous use.

Paul

[Kees Mies]

Brian Burger > wrote in message .ca>...
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Paul Sengupta wrote:
>
> > "Brian Burger" > wrote in message
> >
> > > Pulp & paper mills can be nasty smelling at 2500ft or more above them...
> >
Smouldering wiring from a short circuit smells nasty at any altitude,
makes me rather nervous too :-(