Please Read This

[Dudley Henriques]

I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash
videos on the newsgroups. I've pasted in below word for word the exact
quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally. Aside from the
personal comment the photographer makes to me, which is fine, and fully
within his right to do so in defense of his position, please note his
GENERAL FEELINGS about race pilots and airshow pilots, and after reading
his general comment about pilots like myself, ask yourself if this
person is, as he has said, involved in his hobby of crash photography
simply because he "loves" aviation? Ask yourself about his frame of
thinking as he's watching pilots like myself do a demonstration. Then
ask yourself how he feels about me as he's taking that video!
Thank you for your time,

From Iwan Bogels to me below;

>I don't have to put up with the opinion of some
hypocrite
> pilot who is involved in demonstration flights and air races, intended
to
> push flying to the limit. If it wasn't for guys like you, about 50% of
all
> crash videos would have never been shot because the crashes simply
didn't
> occur.
>
> Flying is relatively safe, but pushing flight to the limit for the fun
of it
> just isn't. Don't complain if something goes wrong when guys like you
are
> willingly taking more risk than necessary during air races and
demonstration
> flights. And stop pointing fingers at people who are interested to see
> thrilling aviation just because it simply exites them. Pilots like you
> provided it to them in the first place!

[C J Campbell]

There is something very strange in the human psyche. A plane crash or an
auto crash or a big fire will invariably draw a big crowd. I don't know why.
I don't think that people want to see others die; you won't see crowds of
people watching Internet videos of leukemia victims. They just want to see
something big and spectacular and violent.

A lot of entertainment is built around that. Most modern movies seem to have
lost all concept of plot in favor of more and bigger 'special effects.'
People go to see demolition derbies. The potential for seeing a crash is, in
fact, one of the reasons that a lot of people go to races. Why is that? What
is it about people that they want to see this?

[Gary Drescher]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> I don't think that people want to see others die;

Until fairly recently in Western culture, torture and lynching were popular
spectator events (http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm18.html).

--Gary

[jim rosinski]

Dudley Henriques wrote:

> I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash
> videos on the newsgroups. I've pasted in below word for word the exact
> quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally.
> [...]
> From [name deleted] to me below;

In any event I don't think what what he had to say to you (and I've
deleted) was so bad. But if it was truly addressed to you personally and
not posted to a newsgroup (your wording is unclear), I wonder how he
likes having his words from a personal email showing up in a newsgroup
posting.

Jim Rosinski
N3825Q

[john smith]

He's obviously never been one of the people who has had to
rescue/attempt to rescue or otherwise extract a friend or collegue from
the wreckage of a mishap.

[Dudley Henriques]

"jim rosinski" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
> > I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash
> > videos on the newsgroups. I've pasted in below word for word the
exact
> > quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally.
> > [...]
> > From [name deleted] to me below;
>
> In any event I don't think what what he had to say to you (and I've
> deleted) was so bad. But if it was truly addressed to you personally
and
> not posted to a newsgroup (your wording is unclear), I wonder how he
> likes having his words from a personal email showing up in a newsgroup
> posting.
>
> Jim Rosinski
> N3825Q

The quoted text is a post posted to this newsgroup on a thread and NOT a
private email.
I don't post private email on Usenet for obvious reasons. I should think
you would have waited to get the answer to that before typing your last
remark .

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired

For personal email, please
replace the at with what goes there and
take out the Z's please!
dhenriquesZatZearthZlinkZdotZnet

[jim rosinski]

Dudley Henriques wrote:

> The quoted text is a post posted to this newsgroup on a thread and NOT a
> private email.
> I don't post private email on Usenet for obvious reasons. I should think
> you would have waited to get the answer to that before typing your last
> remark .

A good point. I should have gotten clarification from you before
blasting my suspicions to the newsgroup. I did look through earlier
postings and couldn't find the quoted text but that doesn't mean it
wasn't there. Apologies for any offense taken, and the wasted bandwidth.

Jim Rosinski
N3825Q

[Dudley Henriques]

"jim rosinski" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
> > The quoted text is a post posted to this newsgroup on a thread and
NOT a
> > private email.
> > I don't post private email on Usenet for obvious reasons. I should
think
> > you would have waited to get the answer to that before typing your
last
> > remark .
>
> A good point. I should have gotten clarification from you before
> blasting my suspicions to the newsgroup. I did look through earlier
> postings and couldn't find the quoted text but that doesn't mean it
> wasn't there. Apologies for any offense taken, and the wasted
bandwidth.
>
> Jim Rosinski
> N3825Q

Accepted, and thank you. This issue seems to be a hot button for both
myself and othersfor various reasons. You had every right to ask. Sorry
you missed the post.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired

For personal email, please
replace the at with what goes there and
take out the Z's please!
dhenriquesZatZearthZlinkZdotZnet

[Peter R.]

jim rosinski wrote:

> A good point. I should have gotten clarification from you before
> blasting my suspicions to the newsgroup. I did look through earlier
> postings and couldn't find the quoted text but that doesn't mean it
> wasn't there.

It was there.

--
Peter

[Dudley Henriques]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> There is something very strange in the human psyche. A plane crash or
an
> auto crash or a big fire will invariably draw a big crowd. I don't
know why.
> I don't think that people want to see others die; you won't see crowds
of
> people watching Internet videos of leukemia victims. They just want to
see
> something big and spectacular and violent.
>
> A lot of entertainment is built around that. Most modern movies seem
to have
> lost all concept of plot in favor of more and bigger 'special
effects.'
> People go to see demolition derbies. The potential for seeing a crash
is, in
> fact, one of the reasons that a lot of people go to races. Why is
that? What
> is it about people that they want to see this?

The answers to this question and many more concerning these issues are
covered completely by intensive professional opinion in Gen Des Barker's
definitive manual on the dangers involved in display flying;
"ZERO ERROR MARGIN".
I suggest that anyone even remotely interested in airshow safety and the
issues involved with this venue get a personal copy of this book. It
covers every aspect of both the flying and the accident end of the
airshow equation.
I will be happy to supply the address for ordering this manual to anyone
requesting it.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired

For personal email, please
replace the at with what goes there and
take out the Z's please!
dhenriquesZatZearthZlinkZdotZnet

[Gene Seibel]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message et>...
> I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash
> videos on the newsgroups. I've pasted in below word for word the exact
> quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally. Aside from the
> personal comment the photographer makes to me, which is fine, and fully
> within his right to do so in defense of his position, please note his
> GENERAL FEELINGS about race pilots and airshow pilots, and after reading
> his general comment about pilots like myself, ask yourself if this
> person is, as he has said, involved in his hobby of crash photography
> simply because he "loves" aviation? Ask yourself about his frame of
> thinking as he's watching pilots like myself do a demonstration. Then
> ask yourself how he feels about me as he's taking that video!
> Thank you for your time,
>
> From Iwan Bogels to me below;
>
> >I don't have to put up with the opinion of some
> hypocrite
> > pilot who is involved in demonstration flights and air races, intended
> to
> > push flying to the limit. If it wasn't for guys like you, about 50% of
> all
> > crash videos would have never been shot because the crashes simply
> didn't
> > occur.

If it wasn't for guys like you, aviation would be much more dangerous.
Thank God for those who define the limits for the rest of us.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

[[email protected]]

(Gene Seibel) wrote in message >...
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message et>...
> > I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash
> > videos on the newsgroups. I've pasted in below word for word the exact
> > quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally. Aside from the
> > personal comment the photographer makes to me, which is fine, and fully
> > within his right to do so in defense of his position, please note his
> > GENERAL FEELINGS about race pilots and airshow pilots, and after reading
> > his general comment about pilots like myself, ask yourself if this
> > person is, as he has said, involved in his hobby of crash photography
> > simply because he "loves" aviation? Ask yourself about his frame of
> > thinking as he's watching pilots like myself do a demonstration. Then
> > ask yourself how he feels about me as he's taking that video!
> > Thank you for your time,
> >
> > From Iwan Bogels to me below;
> >
> > >I don't have to put up with the opinion of some
> hypocrite
> > > pilot who is involved in demonstration flights and air races, intended
> to
> > > push flying to the limit. If it wasn't for guys like you, about 50% of
> all
> > > crash videos would have never been shot because the crashes simply
> didn't
> > > occur.
>
> If it wasn't for guys like you, aviation would be much more dangerous.
> Thank God for those who define the limits for the rest of us.

This newsgroup is like the TV. Fatal or severe injury crashes are
not allowed. Only slight injury crashes are allowed.

It is a civic duty to maintain these common decencies.

[C Kingsbury]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message >...

> A lot of entertainment is built around that. Most modern movies seem to have
> lost all concept of plot in favor of more and bigger 'special effects.'
> People go to see demolition derbies. The potential for seeing a crash is, in
> fact, one of the reasons that a lot of people go to races. Why is that? What
> is it about people that they want to see this?

I think the *potential* excites people but the actuality of it when it
really happens is a big "downer." I know for me, when I see video of
something like that, I think, "dammit, this guy was risking his neck
to put on a show to entertain me." This is also why it's one thing to
see a big nasty crash where the driver/pilot gets up and walks away or
waves from the stretcher, versus one where a life is lost.

When I was in Spain a couple years ago on business I, being a
Hemingway fan, naturally went to see a bullfight. I mentioned it and a
bunch of my co-workers decided to come along too. It had the qualities
of opera, the Latin Mass, and NASCAR all rolled into one; A
first-class spectacle if I've ever seen it. And then at the end, when
the matador draws the sword and points it towards the bull to go for
the killing blow, that brought home that this was in fact Blood Sport,
in practice as well as principle. Having hunted deer, birds, etc.
growing up, I did not find the sight of it all so shocking as did many
of my more urbanized co-workers. But it was still to some degree a
strange thing to see, and I suspect it will largely die out within the
next couple of generations as the conventional wisdom comes to see it
as barbarism, plain and simple.

-cwk.