Researching Airport History -- Help, please!

[Jay Honeck]

As many of you know, I have been working on a comprehensive history of
the Iowa City Airport. This task was thrust upon me as a required
adjunct to our project of saving our Boeing/United hangar -- one of
just seven original air mail hangars still standing nationwide.

While researching this incredible hangar it became painfully obvious
that no comprehensive history of the building -- or the airport --
existed. Since "Step One" of placing a building on the National
Register of Historic Places is to document its historic importance,
you can see how this endeavor quickly expanded.

Thanks to some generous donations, I have recently added many new
photos and historic tidbits (see the entire history at
www.alexisparkinn.com/the_iowa_city_airport.htm).

However, I am still in search of the following:

1. Pilots Who Flew United Airlines Into Iowa City.
Airline service was continuous from the early 1920s until 1972. Until
around 1950, airline passengers embarked from the historic
Boeing/United Hangar, a truly unique piece of aviation history.

I have been unable to find any pilot who actually used that facility
for what it was intended (It was designed so that you could taxi in
one side, close the gigantic doors, unload in climate-controlled
comfort -- and then taxi out the other side.) Pilots who may have
flown into Iowa City during that time are at least 75 or 80 years old
now, so time is running out on finding them.

Please, if you know any old, retired United Air Lines pilots, please
ask them if they ever flew into Iowa City. If they say "yes" --
please let me know ASAP!

2. Passengers Who Flew United Airlines Into Iowa City.
I have been unable to find anyone who actually flew into the
Boeing/United hangar facility. Again, if you know anyone who flew
into Iowa City prior to 1950, please let me know.

3. Pilots/Passengers Who Flew Ozark Airlines Into Iowa City.
After 1959, Ozark took over airline service from United. Although
this post-dates the use of the Boeing/United hangar (a new terminal
was in use by then), it would still be great to interview someone who
flew into or out of Iowa City during this era.

Thanks for any help!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
AOPA Airport Support Network Volunteer
1st Lt. CAP, Hawkeye Squadron
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Have you tried a small classified ad in you local papers looking for
seniors who may have photos, stories, etc., or who may have worked
their during the golden years or aviation at that field.

Perhaps a call to the old folks home in your area.

You might be surprised at who is in you back yard with photos etc.,
and I'm sure they would be delighted to join you for a free brunch at
your INN and tell you stories that would last for hours.

If you do find them don't forget to video them with decent lighting and
sound recordings..... they won't live forever.

[john smith]

Oh dear... does this mean we have to salute him, now?


> Jay Honeck
> 1st Lt. CAP, Hawkeye Squadron

[Henry Kisor]

Jay, I suggest sending a brief item to both AOPA Pilot and Sport Aviation as
well as all the other aviation magazines. Couch it as a letter to the
editor.

Henry

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
om...
> As many of you know, I have been working on a comprehensive history of
> the Iowa City Airport. This task was thrust upon me as a required
> adjunct to our project of saving our Boeing/United hangar -- one of
> just seven original air mail hangars still standing nationwide.
>
> While researching this incredible hangar it became painfully obvious
> that no comprehensive history of the building -- or the airport --
> existed. Since "Step One" of placing a building on the National
> Register of Historic Places is to document its historic importance,
> you can see how this endeavor quickly expanded.
>
> Thanks to some generous donations, I have recently added many new
> photos and historic tidbits (see the entire history at
> www.alexisparkinn.com/the_iowa_city_airport.htm).
>
> However, I am still in search of the following:
>
> 1. Pilots Who Flew United Airlines Into Iowa City.
> Airline service was continuous from the early 1920s until 1972. Until
> around 1950, airline passengers embarked from the historic
> Boeing/United Hangar, a truly unique piece of aviation history.
>
> I have been unable to find any pilot who actually used that facility
> for what it was intended (It was designed so that you could taxi in
> one side, close the gigantic doors, unload in climate-controlled
> comfort -- and then taxi out the other side.) Pilots who may have
> flown into Iowa City during that time are at least 75 or 80 years old
> now, so time is running out on finding them.
>
> Please, if you know any old, retired United Air Lines pilots, please
> ask them if they ever flew into Iowa City. If they say "yes" --
> please let me know ASAP!
>
> 2. Passengers Who Flew United Airlines Into Iowa City.
> I have been unable to find anyone who actually flew into the
> Boeing/United hangar facility. Again, if you know anyone who flew
> into Iowa City prior to 1950, please let me know.
>
> 3. Pilots/Passengers Who Flew Ozark Airlines Into Iowa City.
> After 1959, Ozark took over airline service from United. Although
> this post-dates the use of the Boeing/United hangar (a new terminal
> was in use by then), it would still be great to interview someone who
> flew into or out of Iowa City during this era.
>
> Thanks for any help!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> AOPA Airport Support Network Volunteer
> 1st Lt. CAP, Hawkeye Squadron
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Clough]

While focusing on pilots will always be expected in RAP, from a historical
perspective there are indeed other sources you might consider, say flight
attendants, who can shed light on the questions you're asking. A quick look
at UA's website under corporate history revealed the United Airlines
Stewardess Alumnae and Flight Attendants group, with a website at
www.clippedwings.com. That site notes interest/ability to connect with
individuals and a chapter in Des Moines.

Hope that helps.

Bob Clough
Student Pilot
Paine Field, WA

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
om...
> As many of you know, I have been working on a comprehensive history of
> the Iowa City Airport. This task was thrust upon me as a required
> adjunct to our project of saving our Boeing/United hangar -- one of
> just seven original air mail hangars still standing nationwide.
>
> While researching this incredible hangar it became painfully obvious
> that no comprehensive history of the building -- or the airport --
> existed. Since "Step One" of placing a building on the National
> Register of Historic Places is to document its historic importance,
> you can see how this endeavor quickly expanded.
>
> Thanks to some generous donations, I have recently added many new
> photos and historic tidbits (see the entire history at
> www.alexisparkinn.com/the_iowa_city_airport.htm).
>
> However, I am still in search of the following:
>
> 1. Pilots Who Flew United Airlines Into Iowa City.
> Airline service was continuous from the early 1920s until 1972. Until
> around 1950, airline passengers embarked from the historic
> Boeing/United Hangar, a truly unique piece of aviation history.
>
> I have been unable to find any pilot who actually used that facility
> for what it was intended (It was designed so that you could taxi in
> one side, close the gigantic doors, unload in climate-controlled
> comfort -- and then taxi out the other side.) Pilots who may have
> flown into Iowa City during that time are at least 75 or 80 years old
> now, so time is running out on finding them.
>
> Please, if you know any old, retired United Air Lines pilots, please
> ask them if they ever flew into Iowa City. If they say "yes" --
> please let me know ASAP!
>
> 2. Passengers Who Flew United Airlines Into Iowa City.
> I have been unable to find anyone who actually flew into the
> Boeing/United hangar facility. Again, if you know anyone who flew
> into Iowa City prior to 1950, please let me know.
>
> 3. Pilots/Passengers Who Flew Ozark Airlines Into Iowa City.
> After 1959, Ozark took over airline service from United. Although
> this post-dates the use of the Boeing/United hangar (a new terminal
> was in use by then), it would still be great to interview someone who
> flew into or out of Iowa City during this era.
>
> Thanks for any help!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> AOPA Airport Support Network Volunteer
> 1st Lt. CAP, Hawkeye Squadron
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Oh dear... does this mean we have to salute him, now?
>
>
>> Jay Honeck
>> 1st Lt. CAP, Hawkeye Squadron

Nah.

A crisp bow at the waist will suffice....

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Have you tried a small classified ad in you local papers looking for
> seniors who may have photos, stories, etc., or who may have worked
> their during the golden years or aviation at that field.

This is an excellent idea.

Surely there must be someone in the area who actually used that old
Boeing/United hangar, but finding them is like finding a needle in a
haystack.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Jay, I suggest sending a brief item to both AOPA Pilot and Sport Aviation
> as well as all the other aviation magazines. Couch it as a letter to the
> editor.

Great idea, Henry!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> I have been unable to find any pilot who actually used that facility
> for what it was intended (It was designed so that you could taxi in
> one side, close the gigantic doors, unload in climate-controlled
> comfort -- and then taxi out the other side.) Pilots who may have
> flown into Iowa City during that time are at least 75 or 80 years old
> now, so time is running out on finding them.

Were United pilots unionized back then? If so, is the union still around? Many unions
print a quarterly magazine or newsletter, and retirees will be on the mailing list.
They might accept ads. In fact, whether the union existed at that time or not, you
might try an ad in modern pilot's union publications. You might connect with someone
who flew with one of these old birds and still keeps in touch.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

[Rick Durden]

Jay,

It's been several years since I dealt with them, but the historical
society in Des Moines (museum is near the capitol) has some aviation
materials. Also Ann Peligrino (sp?) who was the head of Iowa
Aeronautics and retraced Amelia Earhart's round the world flight (Ann
completed it successfully) in a twin Lockheed in the '60s, was reputed
to have collected a lot of Iowa aviation history material. I don't
know if she is still alive, but it might be worth a phone call to Iowa
Aeronautics in Des Moines.

The editor of IFR Magazine, Paul Berge, in Indianola does historical
pieces for Iowa Public Television and might have some ideas on the
subject.

Good luck with the project.

Warmest regards,
Rick

(Jay Honeck) wrote in message >...
> As many of you know, I have been working on a comprehensive history of
> the Iowa City Airport. This task was thrust upon me as a required
> adjunct to our project of saving our Boeing/United hangar -- one of
> just seven original air mail hangars still standing nationwide.
>
> While researching this incredible hangar it became painfully obvious
> that no comprehensive history of the building -- or the airport --
> existed. Since "Step One" of placing a building on the National
> Register of Historic Places is to document its historic importance,
> you can see how this endeavor quickly expanded.
>
> Thanks to some generous donations, I have recently added many new
> photos and historic tidbits (see the entire history at
> www.alexisparkinn.com/the_iowa_city_airport.htm).
>
> However, I am still in search of the following:
>
> 1. Pilots Who Flew United Airlines Into Iowa City.
> Airline service was continuous from the early 1920s until 1972. Until
> around 1950, airline passengers embarked from the historic
> Boeing/United Hangar, a truly unique piece of aviation history.
>
> I have been unable to find any pilot who actually used that facility
> for what it was intended (It was designed so that you could taxi in
> one side, close the gigantic doors, unload in climate-controlled
> comfort -- and then taxi out the other side.) Pilots who may have
> flown into Iowa City during that time are at least 75 or 80 years old
> now, so time is running out on finding them.
>
> Please, if you know any old, retired United Air Lines pilots, please
> ask them if they ever flew into Iowa City. If they say "yes" --
> please let me know ASAP!
>
> 2. Passengers Who Flew United Airlines Into Iowa City.
> I have been unable to find anyone who actually flew into the
> Boeing/United hangar facility. Again, if you know anyone who flew
> into Iowa City prior to 1950, please let me know.
>
> 3. Pilots/Passengers Who Flew Ozark Airlines Into Iowa City.
> After 1959, Ozark took over airline service from United. Although
> this post-dates the use of the Boeing/United hangar (a new terminal
> was in use by then), it would still be great to interview someone who
> flew into or out of Iowa City during this era.
>
> Thanks for any help!

[Jay Honeck]

Thanks, Rick.

Ann Pelegrino's name sure comes up often in these parts. Whenever aviation
history comes up in Iowa, I hear her name mentioned.

I appreciate the suggestions -- thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
om...
>
> As many of you know, I have been working on a comprehensive history of
> the Iowa City Airport. This task was thrust upon me as a required
> adjunct to our project of saving our Boeing/United hangar -- one of
> just seven original air mail hangars still standing nationwide.
>
> While researching this incredible hangar it became painfully obvious
> that no comprehensive history of the building -- or the airport --
> existed. Since "Step One" of placing a building on the National
> Register of Historic Places is to document its historic importance,
> you can see how this endeavor quickly expanded.
>
> Thanks to some generous donations, I have recently added many new
> photos and historic tidbits (see the entire history at
> www.alexisparkinn.com/the_iowa_city_airport.htm).
>
> However, I am still in search of the following:
>
> 1. Pilots Who Flew United Airlines Into Iowa City.
> Airline service was continuous from the early 1920s until 1972. Until
> around 1950, airline passengers embarked from the historic
> Boeing/United Hangar, a truly unique piece of aviation history.
>
> I have been unable to find any pilot who actually used that facility
> for what it was intended (It was designed so that you could taxi in
> one side, close the gigantic doors, unload in climate-controlled
> comfort -- and then taxi out the other side.) Pilots who may have
> flown into Iowa City during that time are at least 75 or 80 years old
> now, so time is running out on finding them.
>
> Please, if you know any old, retired United Air Lines pilots, please
> ask them if they ever flew into Iowa City. If they say "yes" --
> please let me know ASAP!
>
> 2. Passengers Who Flew United Airlines Into Iowa City.
> I have been unable to find anyone who actually flew into the
> Boeing/United hangar facility. Again, if you know anyone who flew
> into Iowa City prior to 1950, please let me know.
>
> 3. Pilots/Passengers Who Flew Ozark Airlines Into Iowa City.
> After 1959, Ozark took over airline service from United. Although
> this post-dates the use of the Boeing/United hangar (a new terminal
> was in use by then), it would still be great to interview someone who
> flew into or out of Iowa City during this era.
>

I suggest you contact Buck Hilbert. He became a United pilot in 1952, flew
DC-3s, DC-4s, the Convair twins, etc. He may very well have flown trips to
IOW, perhaps even used that old hangar. He still writes a column for EAA's
"Vintage Airplane" magazine, so he's certainly interested in aviation
history.

You can write to him at:

PO Box 424
Union, IL 60180

[Jay Honeck]

> You can write to him at:

Thanks, Steven!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:vI_8d.133631$wV.99656@attbi_s54...
>
> Thanks, Steven!
>

There is a Retired United Pilots Association. They have a website.

http://www.rupa.org/

[Jay Honeck]

> There is a Retired United Pilots Association. They have a website.
>
> http://www.rupa.org/

Cool! I have just sent them an email.

Thanks again, Steven.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Rick Durden" > wrote in message
m...
>
> It's been several years since I dealt with them, but the historical
> society in Des Moines (museum is near the capitol) has some aviation
> materials. Also Ann Peligrino (sp?)
>

Ann Pellegrino


>
> who was the head of Iowa
> Aeronautics and retraced Amelia Earhart's round the world flight (Ann
> completed it successfully) in a twin Lockheed in the '60s, was reputed
> to have collected a lot of Iowa aviation history material. I don't
> know if she is still alive, but it might be worth a phone call to Iowa
> Aeronautics in Des Moines.
>

She used a Lockheed 10A Electra and wrote a book about her flight, "World
Flight: The Earhart Trail", it was published in 1971 by The Iowa State
University Press. I believe it's still available, I get flyers from them
periodically.

[Wizard of Draws]

On 10/6/04 10:50 AM, in article 9DT8d.197622$D%.62176@attbi_s51, "Jay
Honeck" > wrote:

>> Oh dear... does this mean we have to salute him, now?
>>
>>
>>> Jay Honeck
>>> 1st Lt. CAP, Hawkeye Squadron
>
> Nah.
>
> A crisp bow at the waist will suffice....
>
> ;-)

You won't mind if we face away from you to salute in your general direction
do you?
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.wizardofdraws.com
http://www.cartoonclipart.com

[Rick Durden]

Steven,

Thanks for the correction on spelling.

Ms. Pellegrino spoke to our CAP squadron when I was in high school and
was very impressive. Her round the world flight was quite something.
Later, she and her husband owned some very rare aircraft. I recall
seeing one at OSH that was the prototype of the airplane that lost the
competition to the T-28, largely because it was a tailwheel airplane
and the Air Force and Navy wanted a nosewheel trainer.

All the best,
Rick

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message t>...
> "Rick Durden" > wrote in message
> m...
> >
> > It's been several years since I dealt with them, but the historical
> > society in Des Moines (museum is near the capitol) has some aviation
> > materials. Also Ann Peligrino (sp?)
> >
>
> Ann Pellegrino
>
>
> >
> > who was the head of Iowa
> > Aeronautics and retraced Amelia Earhart's round the world flight (Ann
> > completed it successfully) in a twin Lockheed in the '60s, was reputed
> > to have collected a lot of Iowa aviation history material. I don't
> > know if she is still alive, but it might be worth a phone call to Iowa
> > Aeronautics in Des Moines.
> >
>
> She used a Lockheed 10A Electra and wrote a book about her flight, "World
> Flight: The Earhart Trail", it was published in 1971 by The Iowa State
> University Press. I believe it's still available, I get flyers from them
> periodically.

[Jay Honeck]

> You won't mind if we face away from you to salute in your general
> direction
> do you?

As in: "I fart in your general direction!" ??

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
om...
>
> As many of you know, I have been working on a comprehensive history of
> the Iowa City Airport. This task was thrust upon me as a required
> adjunct to our project of saving our Boeing/United hangar -- one of
> just seven original air mail hangars still standing nationwide.
>

I have uploaded a few Iowa City Municipal Airport images to
alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

[Jay Honeck]

> I have uploaded a few Iowa City Municipal Airport images to
> alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

Thanks, Steven! They will make a fine addition to the history.

Not complaining, just curious: The pix all seem to have a very fine
checkerboard pattern on them. Is this imparted in scanning, or was it on
the originals?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:QTj9d.200765$MQ5.54602@attbi_s52...
>
> Thanks, Steven! They will make a fine addition to the history.
>
> Not complaining, just curious: The pix all seem to have a very fine
> checkerboard pattern on them. Is this imparted in scanning, or was it on
> the originals?
>

It's in the scanning. A different resolution can sometimes eliminate it.

[Casey Wilson]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:QTj9d.200765$MQ5.54602@attbi_s52...
> >
> > Thanks, Steven! They will make a fine addition to the history.
> >
> > Not complaining, just curious: The pix all seem to have a very fine
> > checkerboard pattern on them. Is this imparted in scanning, or was it
on
> > the originals?
> >
>
> It's in the scanning. A different resolution can sometimes eliminate it.

I suspect that is a Moiré pattern caused by dot scanning a photo with
dots on it. Steven, take a close look at the photos you scanned and see if
they were printed with a screen that left dots. If they are, check the
scanner's user guide. Most scanners have a correction that can be applied to
significantly reduce the effect.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Casey Wilson" > wrote in message
news:Ydl9d.8547$Sl2.1043@trnddc09...
>
> I suspect that is a Moiré pattern caused by dot scanning a photo with
> dots on it. Steven, take a close look at the photos you scanned and see if
> they were printed with a screen that left dots. If they are, check the
> scanner's user guide. Most scanners have a correction that can be applied
> to significantly reduce the effect.
>

I'm using a Lexmark X75 combo. It didn't mention Moiré in the "Help" menu,
but it did mention dot patterns:


To remove image patterns from black and white or gray items:

1 Open the Lexmark X74-X75 All-In-One Center.

2 If the Scan. section of the All-In-One Main Page is not expanded, click
See More Scan Settings.

3 Click Display Advanced Scan Settings.

4 From the Image Enhancements tab, select Smooth conversion of gray image
to black and white dot pattern (dither), and then select a dithering
algorithm from the drop-down menu.

5 Click OK to save your changes and return to the All-In-One Main Page.

6 Open the top cover on your scanner, and then place an item face down on
the glass.

7 Close the top cover.

8 From the All-In-One Main Page, click Scan Now.

9 Save your scanned item.


I followed that procedure and rescanned the 1937 IOW image. It's worse than
it was before. The image is posted in alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

There is a drop down menu where one must select a dithering algorithm. The
selections are Burkes, Floyd-Steinberg, Sierra, and Stucki. I used Burkes.
I'll work with it a bit to see if I can improve the image.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
link.net...
>>
>> I suspect that is a Moiré pattern caused by dot scanning a photo with
>> dots on it. Steven, take a close look at the photos you scanned and see
>> if
>> they were printed with a screen that left dots. If they are, check the
>> scanner's user guide. Most scanners have a correction that can be applied
>> to significantly reduce the effect.
>>
>
> I'm using a Lexmark X75 combo. It didn't mention Moiré in the "Help"
> menu, but it did mention dot patterns:
>
>
> To remove image patterns from black and white or gray items:
>
> 1 Open the Lexmark X74-X75 All-In-One Center.
>
> 2 If the Scan. section of the All-In-One Main Page is not expanded, click
> See More Scan Settings.
>
> 3 Click Display Advanced Scan Settings.
>
> 4 From the Image Enhancements tab, select Smooth conversion of gray image
> to black and white dot pattern (dither), and then select a dithering
> algorithm from the drop-down menu.
>
> 5 Click OK to save your changes and return to the All-In-One Main Page.
>
> 6 Open the top cover on your scanner, and then place an item face down on
> the glass.
>
> 7 Close the top cover.
>
> 8 From the All-In-One Main Page, click Scan Now.
>
> 9 Save your scanned item.
>
>
> I followed that procedure and rescanned the 1937 IOW image. It's worse
> than it was before. The image is posted in alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
>
> There is a drop down menu where one must select a dithering algorithm.
> The selections are Burkes, Floyd-Steinberg, Sierra, and Stucki. I used
> Burkes. I'll work with it a bit to see if I can improve the image.

I think I've got it now. There is another 1937 image at
alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:QTj9d.200765$MQ5.54602@attbi_s52...
>
> Thanks, Steven! They will make a fine addition to the history.
>
> Not complaining, just curious: The pix all seem to have a very fine
> checkerboard pattern on them. Is this imparted in scanning, or was it on
> the originals?
>

I changed the settings on my scanner and rescanned the images. That pattern
is gone and the images are larger and show more detail. Of course, the
files are larger as well. They've also been posted to
alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

[Morgans]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote

> I think I've got it now. There is another 1937 image at
> alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
>
What did you come up with, as a solution?
--
Jim in NC


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[Jay Honeck]

> I changed the settings on my scanner and rescanned the images. That
> pattern
> is gone and the images are larger and show more detail. Of course, the
> files are larger as well. They've also been posted to
> alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

Those are AWESOME! Thanks!

I just added the originals to the IC Airport History website earlier today.
I'll have to re-do it with these new scans tomorrow.

BTW: There were only three of the new scans on the binary channel -- was
that correct, or did I somehow miss the other ones?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I changed the settings on my scanner and rescanned the images. That
> pattern
> is gone and the images are larger and show more detail. Of course, the
> files are larger as well. They've also been posted to
> alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

Those are AWESOME! Thanks!

I just added the originals to the IC Airport History website earlier today.
I'll have to re-do it with these new scans tomorrow.

BTW: There were only three of the new scans on the binary channel -- was
that correct, or did I somehow miss the other ones?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:GGI9d.213777$D%.137529@attbi_s51...
>
> BTW: There were only three of the new scans on the binary channel -- was
> that correct, or did I somehow miss the other ones?
>

I posted images from 1937,1948, 1959, 1970, 1982, and 1989. I see all of
them in the binaries group.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:GGI9d.213777$D%.137529@attbi_s51...
>
> BTW: There were only three of the new scans on the binary channel -- was
> that correct, or did I somehow miss the other ones?
>

I posted images from 1937,1948, 1959, 1970, 1982, and 1989. I see all of
them in the binaries group.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I think I've got it now. There is another 1937 image at
>> alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
>>
>
> What did you come up with, as a solution?
>

I selected "Remove image patterns from magazine/newspapers (descreen)" under
"image enhancements".

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I think I've got it now. There is another 1937 image at
>> alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
>>
>
> What did you come up with, as a solution?
>

I selected "Remove image patterns from magazine/newspapers (descreen)" under
"image enhancements".

[Jay Honeck]

> I posted images from 1937,1948, 1959, 1970, 1982, and 1989. I see all of
> them in the binaries group.

Dang. All I see (and saved) of the new ones were '37, '70, and '83. They
look great!

I'll check back tomorrow morning. Sometimes the binary channel is weird
that way, with time lapses and big gaps.

However, if you could re-upload 'em, it might be good?

I mean, "as long as you're at it"...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I posted images from 1937,1948, 1959, 1970, 1982, and 1989. I see all of
> them in the binaries group.

Dang. All I see (and saved) of the new ones were '37, '70, and '83. They
look great!

I'll check back tomorrow morning. Sometimes the binary channel is weird
that way, with time lapses and big gaps.

However, if you could re-upload 'em, it might be good?

I mean, "as long as you're at it"...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:ZrJ9d.213935$D%.117303@attbi_s51...
>>>
>>> I posted images from 1937,1948, 1959, 1970, 1982, and 1989. I see all
>>> of
>>> them in the binaries group.
>>>
>>
>> Dang. All I see (and saved) of the new ones were '37, '70, and '83.
>> They
>> look great!
>>
>> I'll check back tomorrow morning. Sometimes the binary channel is weird
>> that way, with time lapses and big gaps.
>>
>> However, if you could re-upload 'em, it might be good?
>>
>> I mean, "as long as you're at it"...
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>
>

Oops! Sorry! I thought I was in the binaries group when I posted these
images. My own fault for posting after an evening of supporting a fine
Wisconsin industry.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:ZrJ9d.213935$D%.117303@attbi_s51...
>>>
>>> I posted images from 1937,1948, 1959, 1970, 1982, and 1989. I see all
>>> of
>>> them in the binaries group.
>>>
>>
>> Dang. All I see (and saved) of the new ones were '37, '70, and '83.
>> They
>> look great!
>>
>> I'll check back tomorrow morning. Sometimes the binary channel is weird
>> that way, with time lapses and big gaps.
>>
>> However, if you could re-upload 'em, it might be good?
>>
>> I mean, "as long as you're at it"...
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>
>

Oops! Sorry! I thought I was in the binaries group when I posted these
images. My own fault for posting after an evening of supporting a fine
Wisconsin industry.

[Jay Honeck]

> Oops! Sorry! I thought I was in the binaries group when I posted these
> images. My own fault for posting after an evening of supporting a fine
> Wisconsin industry.

You're guilty of PWUI?

"Posting while under the influence?"

;-)

Well, if you get a chance to do the missing ones, that would be terrific.
They really make a great addition to the IOW history page.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Oops! Sorry! I thought I was in the binaries group when I posted these
> images. My own fault for posting after an evening of supporting a fine
> Wisconsin industry.

You're guilty of PWUI?

"Posting while under the influence?"

;-)

Well, if you get a chance to do the missing ones, that would be terrific.
They really make a great addition to the IOW history page.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:mCR9d.216660$D%.192080@attbi_s51...
>>
>> Oops! Sorry! I thought I was in the binaries group when I posted these
>> images. My own fault for posting after an evening of supporting a fine
>> Wisconsin industry.
>>
>
> You're guilty of PWUI?
>
> "Posting while under the influence?"
>
> ;-)
>
> Well, if you get a chance to do the missing ones, that would be terrific.
> They really make a great addition to the IOW history page.
>

Did you not see them here? My apology was for posting large files in a
non-binaries group. It shouldn't be done but it does work.

In any case, I've already posted them to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation as
well.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:mCR9d.216660$D%.192080@attbi_s51...
>>
>> Oops! Sorry! I thought I was in the binaries group when I posted these
>> images. My own fault for posting after an evening of supporting a fine
>> Wisconsin industry.
>>
>
> You're guilty of PWUI?
>
> "Posting while under the influence?"
>
> ;-)
>
> Well, if you get a chance to do the missing ones, that would be terrific.
> They really make a great addition to the IOW history page.
>

Did you not see them here? My apology was for posting large files in a
non-binaries group. It shouldn't be done but it does work.

In any case, I've already posted them to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation as
well.

[Morgans]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote
>
> Did you not see them here? My apology was for posting large files in a
> non-binaries group. It shouldn't be done but it does work.
>
> In any case, I've already posted them to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation as
> well.
>
A great number of ISP's delete pictures from posts, when they are posted to
a non-binaries group. Mine does.
--
Jim in NC


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[Morgans]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote
>
> Did you not see them here? My apology was for posting large files in a
> non-binaries group. It shouldn't be done but it does work.
>
> In any case, I've already posted them to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation as
> well.
>
A great number of ISP's delete pictures from posts, when they are posted to
a non-binaries group. Mine does.
--
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[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> A great number of ISP's delete pictures from posts, when they are posted
> to
> a non-binaries group. Mine does.
>

Okay. I was not aware of that.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> A great number of ISP's delete pictures from posts, when they are posted
> to
> a non-binaries group. Mine does.
>

Okay. I was not aware of that.

[Jay Honeck]

>> A great number of ISP's delete pictures from posts, when they are posted
>> to
>> a non-binaries group. Mine does.
>>
>
> Okay. I was not aware of that.

Yep -- I never saw it here at all...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

>> A great number of ISP's delete pictures from posts, when they are posted
>> to
>> a non-binaries group. Mine does.
>>
>
> Okay. I was not aware of that.

Yep -- I never saw it here at all...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<4I%9d.363806$Fg5.81989@attbi_s53>...
>
> Yep -- I never saw it here at all...
>

Did you get them from the binaries group satisfactorily?

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<4I%9d.363806$Fg5.81989@attbi_s53>...
>
> Yep -- I never saw it here at all...
>

Did you get them from the binaries group satisfactorily?

[Jay Honeck]

>> Yep -- I never saw it here at all...
>>
>
> Did you get them from the binaries group satisfactorily?

I obtained two of the new, "clear" ones (1937 and 1983), and the rest are
still the old "dot matrix" ones.

If you could upload the others in the new format, that would be terrific!

Thanks,
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

>> Yep -- I never saw it here at all...
>>
>
> Did you get them from the binaries group satisfactorily?

I obtained two of the new, "clear" ones (1937 and 1983), and the rest are
still the old "dot matrix" ones.

If you could upload the others in the new format, that would be terrific!

Thanks,
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:73wad.370000$Fg5.352509@attbi_s53...
>>
>> Did you get them from the binaries group satisfactorily?
>>
>
> I obtained two of the new, "clear" ones (1937 and 1983), and the rest are
> still the old "dot matrix" ones.
>
> If you could upload the others in the new format, that would be terrific!
>

I just uploaded all of them.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:73wad.370000$Fg5.352509@attbi_s53...
>>
>> Did you get them from the binaries group satisfactorily?
>>
>
> I obtained two of the new, "clear" ones (1937 and 1983), and the rest are
> still the old "dot matrix" ones.
>
> If you could upload the others in the new format, that would be terrific!
>

I just uploaded all of them.

[Jay Honeck]

> I just uploaded all of them.

Augh. Mitchell Holliman uploaded a boat-load of pix after you did, which
apparently bumped yours off the server? (I'm guessing here. I'm assuming
there is a limit of what they hold.)

In any case, I got 1970 and 1983. The others must have been bumped?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:knbbd.241013$D%.184668@attbi_s51...
>
> Augh. Mitchell Holliman uploaded a boat-load of pix after you did, which
> apparently bumped yours off the server? (I'm guessing here. I'm assuming
> there is a limit of what they hold.)
>
> In any case, I got 1970 and 1983. The others must have been bumped?
>

The others have just been uploaded again. The subject is Researching
Airport History.

[Jay Honeck]

> The others have just been uploaded again. The subject is Researching
> Airport History.

This is an interesting lesson in how the binary groups work. (Or, rather,
DON'T work.)

I just found 1937 pic there, and I see your RESPONSE to your own message,
explaining what the 1948 picture was -- but the original message (with the
picture attached) is NOT there.

It might be just "on the way" though (although why your response would be
there ahead of the original message is beyond me), so I'll check back later
today.

Goofy things, those binary channels.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:tocbd.233845$MQ5.116473@attbi_s52...
>>
>> The others have just been uploaded again. The subject is Researching
>> Airport History.
>>
>
> This is an interesting lesson in how the binary groups work. (Or,
> rather, DON'T work.)
>
> I just found 1937 pic there, and I see your RESPONSE to your own message,
> explaining what the 1948 picture was -- but the original message (with the
> picture attached) is NOT there.
>
> It might be just "on the way" though (although why your response would be
> there ahead of the original message is beyond me), so I'll check back
> later today.
>
> Goofy things, those binary channels.
>

I don't think the problem is in the binaries groups. I've seen every image
I uploaded, even those I mistakenly uploaded to this group. I think the
problem is with your service provider.

[Jay Honeck]

> I don't think the problem is in the binaries groups. I've seen every
> image I uploaded, even those I mistakenly uploaded to this group. I think
> the problem is with your service provider.

Agreed.

Although when I upload pix to the binary channel, I ALWAYS see them, too.

It seems to be somehow related to the total number of pix on the newsgroup.
When someone uploads a ton of pix, the "old" ones rapidly disappear. I
suppose my ISP has a limited amount of space?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Scott Skylane]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
/snip/
> I don't think the problem is in the binaries groups. I've seen every image
> I uploaded, even those I mistakenly uploaded to this group. I think the
> problem is with your service provider.
>

For craps sake, McNicoll, just E-Mail the poor guy his pictures! I'm
getting tired of wading through them at ABPA...

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Scott Skylane" > wrote in message
...
>
> For craps sake, McNicoll, just E-Mail the poor guy his pictures! I'm
> getting tired of wading through them at ABPA...
>

Why do you assume I haven't tried that?

[G.R. Patterson III]

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
>
> "Scott Skylane" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > For craps sake, McNicoll, just E-Mail the poor guy his pictures! I'm
> > getting tired of wading through them at ABPA...
> >
>
> Why do you assume I haven't tried that?

Ok. I found 1937, 1940, 1959, and 1989 in that group. I just forwarded them as
attachments to Jay. Assuming they get there alright, it appears that I can relay
stuff this way. Let me know if soemthing else needs to be done.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
> Ok. I found 1937, 1940, 1959, and 1989 in that group. I just forwarded
> them as
> attachments to Jay. Assuming they get there alright, it appears that I can
> relay
> stuff this way.
>

He's already got them all.


>
> Let me know if soemthing else needs to be done.
>

There was nothing for you to do.

[G.R. Patterson III]

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
>
> There was nothing for you to do.

Sorry. I won't do it again.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.