Joking?

[SelwayKid]

Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
look at what is happening.
H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
while we sleep.
Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
and get locked up for not having them, ..........
Better take a stand now before its too late.

[Bob Gardner]

I don't want to start a flame war, but I have carried an ID card since 1946
and it has had no adverse effect on my life.

Bob Gardner

"SelwayKid" > wrote in message
m...
> Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
> to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
> at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
> look at what is happening.
> H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
> I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
> while we sleep.
> Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
> it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
> and get locked up for not having them, ..........
> Better take a stand now before its too late.

[Bob Noel]

In article >, "Bob Gardner"
> wrote:

> I don't want to start a flame war, but I have carried an ID card since
> 1946
> and it has had no adverse effect on my life.

but what value was provided?

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

[Judah]

"Bob Gardner" > wrote in
:

> I don't want to start a flame war, but I have carried an ID card since
> 1946 and it has had no adverse effect on my life.
>
> Bob Gardner

When was the last time you were stopped on the street for no apparent
reason and asked to produce your ID card under threat of being thrown in
prison without due process if you happened to forget it at home that day?


> "SelwayKid" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
>> to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
>> at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
>> look at what is happening.
>> H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
>> I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
>> while we sleep.
>> Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
>> it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
>> and get locked up for not having them, .......... Better take a stand
>> now before its too late.
>
>

[zatatime]

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:19:54 GMT, Judah > wrote:

>When was the last time you were stopped on the street for no apparent
>reason and asked to produce your ID card under threat of being thrown in
>prison without due process if you happened to forget it at home that day?

Five years ago, In front of myt own house!

z

[Gig Giacona]

"zatatime" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:19:54 GMT, Judah > wrote:
>
>>When was the last time you were stopped on the street for no apparent
>>reason and asked to produce your ID card under threat of being thrown in
>>prison without due process if you happened to forget it at home that day?
>
> Five years ago, In front of myt own house!
>
> z

cite!

[BTIZ]

move to a better neighborhood.. and look like you belong there

"zatatime" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:19:54 GMT, Judah > wrote:
>
>>When was the last time you were stopped on the street for no apparent
>>reason and asked to produce your ID card under threat of being thrown in
>>prison without due process if you happened to forget it at home that day?
>
> Five years ago, In front of myt own house!
>
> z

[zatatime]

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:05:03 -0700, "BTIZ" >
wrote:

>move to a better neighborhood.. and look like you belong there


LOL!

Unfortunately, it is a nice neighborhood, and aside from wearing a
blue winter coat I was dressed for work albeit being dark outside.

z

[Judah]

So move out of Russia!

zatatime > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:19:54 GMT, Judah > wrote:
>
>>When was the last time you were stopped on the street for no apparent
>>reason and asked to produce your ID card under threat of being thrown
>>in prison without due process if you happened to forget it at home that
>>day?
>
> Five years ago, In front of myt own house!
>
> z

[Teacherjh]

> Five years ago, In front of myt own house!

How would it have gone had you not been in front of your own house, and had you
forgotten your ID?

Is this the way you want to live?

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[zatatime]

On 09 Oct 2004 01:39:45 GMT, (Teacherjh)
wrote:

>> Five years ago, In front of myt own house!
>
>How would it have gone had you not been in front of your own house, and had you
>forgotten your ID?
>
They didn't care that I was in front of my house. I had no way to
prove that it was my house because I didn't have any ID showing where
I lived. I was on my nightly walk and for some reason had emptied my
pockets earlier. I offered to go in to get it, but they wanted no
part of that. After like 15 minutes, they finally wrote down my name
and "supposed address" and made it clear they'd be watching for me
lurking around town. (Lurking is not a quote, but is definitely the
impression they gave).

>Is this the way you want to live?
Not a chance. Unless I'm wrong I was responding to a post that made
it sound like this was impossible. I'm walking proof that it is, and
I felt harassed.

z

[zatatime]

On 09 Oct 2004 01:39:45 GMT, (Teacherjh)
wrote:

>> Five years ago, In front of myt own house!
>
>How would it have gone had you not been in front of your own house, and had you
>forgotten your ID?
>
They didn't care that I was in front of my house. I had no way to
prove that it was my house because I didn't have any ID showing where
I lived. I was on my nightly walk and for some reason had emptied my
pockets earlier. I offered to go in to get it, but they wanted no
part of that. After like 15 minutes, they finally wrote down my name
and "supposed address" and made it clear they'd be watching for me
lurking around town. (Lurking is not a quote, but is definitely the
impression they gave).

>Is this the way you want to live?
Not a chance. Unless I'm wrong I was responding to a post that made
it sound like this was impossible. I'm walking proof that it is, and
I felt harassed.

z

[BTIZ]

Selway.... I think you may be exaggerating..
I read parts of S.2774 to show a "standard" for "state" issued ID cards..
like drivers licenses.. that they all meet certain standards prior to issue
to conform to critera and confirm the proper identification of the
individual on the card... before the "national" or "federal" authorities
will accept them as "proper id"
BT

"SelwayKid" > wrote in message
m...
> Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
> to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
> at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
> look at what is happening.
> H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
> I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
> while we sleep.
> Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
> it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
> and get locked up for not having them, ..........
> Better take a stand now before its too late.

[BTIZ]

Selway.... I think you may be exaggerating..
I read parts of S.2774 to show a "standard" for "state" issued ID cards..
like drivers licenses.. that they all meet certain standards prior to issue
to conform to critera and confirm the proper identification of the
individual on the card... before the "national" or "federal" authorities
will accept them as "proper id"
BT

"SelwayKid" > wrote in message
m...
> Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
> to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
> at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
> look at what is happening.
> H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
> I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
> while we sleep.
> Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
> it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
> and get locked up for not having them, ..........
> Better take a stand now before its too late.

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 03:40:37 GMT, zatatime wrote:

>>Is this the way you want to live?
>Not a chance. Unless I'm wrong I was responding to a post that made
>it sound like this was impossible. I'm walking proof that it is, and
>I felt harassed.

You sure are black and live in South Africa. Arpartheid is still not gone
there. You should immigrate to the US where life is so much better.

#m

--
Somehow, some way, the Left trash talks "multi-national corporations" and
"big corporations" as if they were messengers of evil, when, in fact,
corporations represent the ultimate, perfect expression of communal
ownership of capital. (Jay Honeck in r.a.p.)

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 03:40:37 GMT, zatatime wrote:

>>Is this the way you want to live?
>Not a chance. Unless I'm wrong I was responding to a post that made
>it sound like this was impossible. I'm walking proof that it is, and
>I felt harassed.

You sure are black and live in South Africa. Arpartheid is still not gone
there. You should immigrate to the US where life is so much better.

#m

--
Somehow, some way, the Left trash talks "multi-national corporations" and
"big corporations" as if they were messengers of evil, when, in fact,
corporations represent the ultimate, perfect expression of communal
ownership of capital. (Jay Honeck in r.a.p.)

[mike regish]

What if you were out for a walk in you neighborhood and didn't happen to
have it on you and you run into some real gung ho cop? Are you sure you can
talk your way out of getting arrested? Are you sure everybody, in similar
circumstances could?

mike regish

"Bob Gardner" > wrote in message
...
>I don't want to start a flame war, but I have carried an ID card since 1946
>and it has had no adverse effect on my life.
>
> Bob Gardner
>
> "SelwayKid" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
>> to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
>> at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
>> look at what is happening.
>> H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
>> I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
>> while we sleep.
>> Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
>> it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
>> and get locked up for not having them, ..........
>> Better take a stand now before its too late.
>
>

[mike regish]

What if you were out for a walk in you neighborhood and didn't happen to
have it on you and you run into some real gung ho cop? Are you sure you can
talk your way out of getting arrested? Are you sure everybody, in similar
circumstances could?

mike regish

"Bob Gardner" > wrote in message
...
>I don't want to start a flame war, but I have carried an ID card since 1946
>and it has had no adverse effect on my life.
>
> Bob Gardner
>
> "SelwayKid" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
>> to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
>> at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
>> look at what is happening.
>> H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
>> I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
>> while we sleep.
>> Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
>> it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
>> and get locked up for not having them, ..........
>> Better take a stand now before its too late.
>
>

[SelwayKid]

"BTIZ" > wrote in message news:<dXJ9d.10022$_a3.7048@fed1read05>...
> Selway.... I think you may be exaggerating..
> I read parts of S.2774 to show a "standard" for "state" issued ID cards..
> like drivers licenses.. that they all meet certain standards prior to issue
> to conform to critera and confirm the proper identification of the
> individual on the card... before the "national" or "federal" authorities
> will accept them as "proper id"
> BT

BT I doubt I'll be alive to see it, but you can mark this one down in
bronze. Once the national ID card is law, and it will be, the social
security number will be your personal national ID number, and sometime
in the future there will be a provision for that number to be
imprinted/implanted in/on your body to be read by special equipment
that only your benevolent government will have (or so it will be
claimed) and all they have to do is point said equipment at you to
know all they need to know. It will all be on one big data base. It
isn't hard at all to show this theory at work either. Prized animals
already have this technology in use and its a short step to convince
some young mother that her children should have this protection too
and once they grow up with it, ..."well I've had it all my life so
what is wrong with it?..." and so it goes.
Selway Kid
>
> "SelwayKid" > wrote in message
> m...
> > Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
> > to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
> > at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
> > look at what is happening.
> > H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
> > I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
> > while we sleep.
> > Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
> > it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
> > and get locked up for not having them, ..........
> > Better take a stand now before its too late.

[SelwayKid]

"BTIZ" > wrote in message news:<dXJ9d.10022$_a3.7048@fed1read05>...
> Selway.... I think you may be exaggerating..
> I read parts of S.2774 to show a "standard" for "state" issued ID cards..
> like drivers licenses.. that they all meet certain standards prior to issue
> to conform to critera and confirm the proper identification of the
> individual on the card... before the "national" or "federal" authorities
> will accept them as "proper id"
> BT

BT I doubt I'll be alive to see it, but you can mark this one down in
bronze. Once the national ID card is law, and it will be, the social
security number will be your personal national ID number, and sometime
in the future there will be a provision for that number to be
imprinted/implanted in/on your body to be read by special equipment
that only your benevolent government will have (or so it will be
claimed) and all they have to do is point said equipment at you to
know all they need to know. It will all be on one big data base. It
isn't hard at all to show this theory at work either. Prized animals
already have this technology in use and its a short step to convince
some young mother that her children should have this protection too
and once they grow up with it, ..."well I've had it all my life so
what is wrong with it?..." and so it goes.
Selway Kid
>
> "SelwayKid" > wrote in message
> m...
> > Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
> > to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
> > at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
> > look at what is happening.
> > H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
> > I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
> > while we sleep.
> > Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
> > it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
> > and get locked up for not having them, ..........
> > Better take a stand now before its too late.

[BTIZ]

I repeat.. I see nothing on a "National Card"
and you already are "tagged" with a number from birth to death.. SSAN

BT

"SelwayKid" > wrote in message
om...
> "BTIZ" > wrote in message
> news:<dXJ9d.10022$_a3.7048@fed1read05>...
>> Selway.... I think you may be exaggerating..
>> I read parts of S.2774 to show a "standard" for "state" issued ID cards..
>> like drivers licenses.. that they all meet certain standards prior to
>> issue
>> to conform to critera and confirm the proper identification of the
>> individual on the card... before the "national" or "federal" authorities
>> will accept them as "proper id"
>> BT
>
> BT I doubt I'll be alive to see it, but you can mark this one down in
> bronze. Once the national ID card is law, and it will be, the social
> security number will be your personal national ID number, and sometime
> in the future there will be a provision for that number to be
> imprinted/implanted in/on your body to be read by special equipment
> that only your benevolent government will have (or so it will be
> claimed) and all they have to do is point said equipment at you to
> know all they need to know. It will all be on one big data base. It
> isn't hard at all to show this theory at work either. Prized animals
> already have this technology in use and its a short step to convince
> some young mother that her children should have this protection too
> and once they grow up with it, ..."well I've had it all my life so
> what is wrong with it?..." and so it goes.
> Selway Kid
>>
>> "SelwayKid" > wrote in message
>> m...
>> > Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
>> > to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
>> > at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
>> > look at what is happening.
>> > H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
>> > I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
>> > while we sleep.
>> > Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
>> > it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
>> > and get locked up for not having them, ..........
>> > Better take a stand now before its too late.

[BTIZ]

I repeat.. I see nothing on a "National Card"
and you already are "tagged" with a number from birth to death.. SSAN

BT

"SelwayKid" > wrote in message
om...
> "BTIZ" > wrote in message
> news:<dXJ9d.10022$_a3.7048@fed1read05>...
>> Selway.... I think you may be exaggerating..
>> I read parts of S.2774 to show a "standard" for "state" issued ID cards..
>> like drivers licenses.. that they all meet certain standards prior to
>> issue
>> to conform to critera and confirm the proper identification of the
>> individual on the card... before the "national" or "federal" authorities
>> will accept them as "proper id"
>> BT
>
> BT I doubt I'll be alive to see it, but you can mark this one down in
> bronze. Once the national ID card is law, and it will be, the social
> security number will be your personal national ID number, and sometime
> in the future there will be a provision for that number to be
> imprinted/implanted in/on your body to be read by special equipment
> that only your benevolent government will have (or so it will be
> claimed) and all they have to do is point said equipment at you to
> know all they need to know. It will all be on one big data base. It
> isn't hard at all to show this theory at work either. Prized animals
> already have this technology in use and its a short step to convince
> some young mother that her children should have this protection too
> and once they grow up with it, ..."well I've had it all my life so
> what is wrong with it?..." and so it goes.
> Selway Kid
>>
>> "SelwayKid" > wrote in message
>> m...
>> > Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
>> > to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
>> > at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
>> > look at what is happening.
>> > H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
>> > I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
>> > while we sleep.
>> > Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
>> > it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
>> > and get locked up for not having them, ..........
>> > Better take a stand now before its too late.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Judah wrote:
>
> When was the last time you were stopped on the street for no apparent
> reason and asked to produce your ID card under threat of being thrown in
> prison without due process if you happened to forget it at home that day?

Atlanta, Georgia, 1973.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Judah wrote:
>
> When was the last time you were stopped on the street for no apparent
> reason and asked to produce your ID card under threat of being thrown in
> prison without due process if you happened to forget it at home that day?

Atlanta, Georgia, 1973.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

[jls]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Judah wrote:
> >
> > When was the last time you were stopped on the street for no apparent
> > reason and asked to produce your ID card under threat of being thrown in
> > prison without due process if you happened to forget it at home that
day?
>
> Atlanta, Georgia, 1973.
>
> George Patterson
> If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to
have
> been looking for it.

An aggressive cop stopped me in my quiet neighborhood a few months ago and
demanded ID. I was taking a late night walk in sweat pants to burn off a
few calories. I told him I didn't have any ID and was in my own
neighborhood not bothering anybody and unaccustomed to being accosted by an
officer pulling his cruiser over into my path, blocking me. Then did he
ever become hostile and told me to take my hands out of my pockets. I did
as he said until they became cold and back into my pockets they went. This
time he threatened me with handcuffs and jail, and then he went off the
charts when my hands went back into their pockets. "Take them out!" he
snapped.

"No, I won't," I said, as I turned my pockets inside out to show him there
was nothing in them "and if you arrest me you'd better have a damn good
reason in law for it." He began to reach for me as if to grab my arm and I
quickly stepped back, pulling away from him. "Now you've assaulted me," I
said. "I have lived here in this town for the better part of two decades,"
I said firmly, "and this is the first time in my experience I have been
menaced by a law officer."

"I am NOT 'mentacing' you," he says.

He was so taken aback he went completely silent for a moment, then said,
"OK, move along then." Which I did, almost leaving in a trot. Off he went
in the other direction spinning his wheels and screeching his tires.

[jls]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Judah wrote:
> >
> > When was the last time you were stopped on the street for no apparent
> > reason and asked to produce your ID card under threat of being thrown in
> > prison without due process if you happened to forget it at home that
day?
>
> Atlanta, Georgia, 1973.
>
> George Patterson
> If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to
have
> been looking for it.

An aggressive cop stopped me in my quiet neighborhood a few months ago and
demanded ID. I was taking a late night walk in sweat pants to burn off a
few calories. I told him I didn't have any ID and was in my own
neighborhood not bothering anybody and unaccustomed to being accosted by an
officer pulling his cruiser over into my path, blocking me. Then did he
ever become hostile and told me to take my hands out of my pockets. I did
as he said until they became cold and back into my pockets they went. This
time he threatened me with handcuffs and jail, and then he went off the
charts when my hands went back into their pockets. "Take them out!" he
snapped.

"No, I won't," I said, as I turned my pockets inside out to show him there
was nothing in them "and if you arrest me you'd better have a damn good
reason in law for it." He began to reach for me as if to grab my arm and I
quickly stepped back, pulling away from him. "Now you've assaulted me," I
said. "I have lived here in this town for the better part of two decades,"
I said firmly, "and this is the first time in my experience I have been
menaced by a law officer."

"I am NOT 'mentacing' you," he says.

He was so taken aback he went completely silent for a moment, then said,
"OK, move along then." Which I did, almost leaving in a trot. Off he went
in the other direction spinning his wheels and screeching his tires.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 15:27:28 -0400, " jls" >
wrote in >::


>An aggressive cop stopped me in my quiet neighborhood a few months ago and
>demanded ID. I was taking a late night walk in sweat pants to burn off a
>few calories. I told him I didn't have any ID and was in my own
>neighborhood not bothering anybody and unaccustomed to being accosted by an
>officer pulling his cruiser over into my path, blocking me. Then did he
>ever become hostile and told me to take my hands out of my pockets. I did
>as he said until they became cold and back into my pockets they went. This
>time he threatened me with handcuffs and jail, and then he went off the
>charts when my hands went back into their pockets. "Take them out!" he
>snapped.
>
>"No, I won't," I said, as I turned my pockets inside out to show him there
>was nothing in them "and if you arrest me you'd better have a damn good
>reason in law for it." He began to reach for me as if to grab my arm and I
>quickly stepped back, pulling away from him. "Now you've assaulted me," I
>said. "I have lived here in this town for the better part of two decades,"
>I said firmly, "and this is the first time in my experience I have been
>menaced by a law officer."
>
>"I am NOT 'mentacing' you," he says.
>
>He was so taken aback he went completely silent for a moment, then said,
>"OK, move along then." Which I did, almost leaving in a trot. Off he went
>in the other direction spinning his wheels and screeching his tires.
>

The Vice President Cheney's Patriot Act has given this nation's law
enforcement officers a bit more power. :-)

Welcome to the 21st century.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 15:27:28 -0400, " jls" >
wrote in >::


>An aggressive cop stopped me in my quiet neighborhood a few months ago and
>demanded ID. I was taking a late night walk in sweat pants to burn off a
>few calories. I told him I didn't have any ID and was in my own
>neighborhood not bothering anybody and unaccustomed to being accosted by an
>officer pulling his cruiser over into my path, blocking me. Then did he
>ever become hostile and told me to take my hands out of my pockets. I did
>as he said until they became cold and back into my pockets they went. This
>time he threatened me with handcuffs and jail, and then he went off the
>charts when my hands went back into their pockets. "Take them out!" he
>snapped.
>
>"No, I won't," I said, as I turned my pockets inside out to show him there
>was nothing in them "and if you arrest me you'd better have a damn good
>reason in law for it." He began to reach for me as if to grab my arm and I
>quickly stepped back, pulling away from him. "Now you've assaulted me," I
>said. "I have lived here in this town for the better part of two decades,"
>I said firmly, "and this is the first time in my experience I have been
>menaced by a law officer."
>
>"I am NOT 'mentacing' you," he says.
>
>He was so taken aback he went completely silent for a moment, then said,
>"OK, move along then." Which I did, almost leaving in a trot. Off he went
>in the other direction spinning his wheels and screeching his tires.
>

The Vice President Cheney's Patriot Act has given this nation's law
enforcement officers a bit more power. :-)

Welcome to the 21st century.

[vincent p. norris]

>You sure are black and live in South Africa. Arpartheid is still not gone
>there. You should immigrate to the US where life is so much better.

I regret very much to say that it's happened to blacks in the U.S.,
too.

vince norris

[vincent p. norris]

>You sure are black and live in South Africa. Arpartheid is still not gone
>there. You should immigrate to the US where life is so much better.

I regret very much to say that it's happened to blacks in the U.S.,
too.

vince norris

[zatatime]

On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:33:51 -0400, vincent p. norris >
wrote:

>I regret very much to say that it's happened to blacks in the U.S.,
>too.

....and whites...

z

[zatatime]

On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:33:51 -0400, vincent p. norris >
wrote:

>I regret very much to say that it's happened to blacks in the U.S.,
>too.

....and whites...

z

[Cub Driver]

>Off he went
>in the other direction spinning his wheels and screeching his tires.

I wish I could believe that you are exaggerating. But I've known a
couple of young policemen, and sadly enough I can imagine this scene
taking place with them. The reason "Police Academy" was so funny is
that it was so true. (I am thinking of the SWAT team wannabe.) The job
does attract some marginally psychotic types.

I live in a town that's full of joggers, so I don't think it could
happen here. But I have been pulled over for running a stop light
(right turn on red) when I had slowed sufficiently to shift into first
gear! To my mind, that's safer than ensuring the car is motionless.
The sooner you get out of a situation, the better.


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

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[Cub Driver]

>Off he went
>in the other direction spinning his wheels and screeching his tires.

I wish I could believe that you are exaggerating. But I've known a
couple of young policemen, and sadly enough I can imagine this scene
taking place with them. The reason "Police Academy" was so funny is
that it was so true. (I am thinking of the SWAT team wannabe.) The job
does attract some marginally psychotic types.

I live in a town that's full of joggers, so I don't think it could
happen here. But I have been pulled over for running a stop light
(right turn on red) when I had slowed sufficiently to shift into first
gear! To my mind, that's safer than ensuring the car is motionless.
The sooner you get out of a situation, the better.


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org

[SelwayKid]

"BTIZ" > wrote in message news:<bmT9d.12471$_a3.10200@fed1read05>...
> I repeat.. I see nothing on a "National Card"
> and you already are "tagged" with a number from birth to death.. SSAN
>
> BT
BT
And it wasn't all that many years back that it wasn't required to get
it at birth as it is now! Many didn't get it until they got their
first job and it was required by their employer. Think of how recent
it has been, relatively speaking, since the SSN started to show up on
drivers licenses, then pilot certificates, then as a military ID
numbers? Slowly but inexhorably it is going to full control with that
damned number and all the rest of what I have been saying.
Selway Kid
>
> "SelwayKid" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "BTIZ" > wrote in message
> > news:<dXJ9d.10022$_a3.7048@fed1read05>...
> >> Selway.... I think you may be exaggerating..
> >> I read parts of S.2774 to show a "standard" for "state" issued ID cards..
> >> like drivers licenses.. that they all meet certain standards prior to
> >> issue
> >> to conform to critera and confirm the proper identification of the
> >> individual on the card... before the "national" or "federal" authorities
> >> will accept them as "proper id"
> >> BT
> >
> > BT I doubt I'll be alive to see it, but you can mark this one down in
> > bronze. Once the national ID card is law, and it will be, the social
> > security number will be your personal national ID number, and sometime
> > in the future there will be a provision for that number to be
> > imprinted/implanted in/on your body to be read by special equipment
> > that only your benevolent government will have (or so it will be
> > claimed) and all they have to do is point said equipment at you to
> > know all they need to know. It will all be on one big data base. It
> > isn't hard at all to show this theory at work either. Prized animals
> > already have this technology in use and its a short step to convince
> > some young mother that her children should have this protection too
> > and once they grow up with it, ..."well I've had it all my life so
> > what is wrong with it?..." and so it goes.
> > Selway Kid
> >>
> >> "SelwayKid" > wrote in message
> >> m...
> >> > Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
> >> > to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
> >> > at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
> >> > look at what is happening.
> >> > H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
> >> > I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
> >> > while we sleep.
> >> > Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
> >> > it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
> >> > and get locked up for not having them, ..........
> >> > Better take a stand now before its too late.

[SelwayKid]

"BTIZ" > wrote in message news:<bmT9d.12471$_a3.10200@fed1read05>...
> I repeat.. I see nothing on a "National Card"
> and you already are "tagged" with a number from birth to death.. SSAN
>
> BT
BT
And it wasn't all that many years back that it wasn't required to get
it at birth as it is now! Many didn't get it until they got their
first job and it was required by their employer. Think of how recent
it has been, relatively speaking, since the SSN started to show up on
drivers licenses, then pilot certificates, then as a military ID
numbers? Slowly but inexhorably it is going to full control with that
damned number and all the rest of what I have been saying.
Selway Kid
>
> "SelwayKid" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "BTIZ" > wrote in message
> > news:<dXJ9d.10022$_a3.7048@fed1read05>...
> >> Selway.... I think you may be exaggerating..
> >> I read parts of S.2774 to show a "standard" for "state" issued ID cards..
> >> like drivers licenses.. that they all meet certain standards prior to
> >> issue
> >> to conform to critera and confirm the proper identification of the
> >> individual on the card... before the "national" or "federal" authorities
> >> will accept them as "proper id"
> >> BT
> >
> > BT I doubt I'll be alive to see it, but you can mark this one down in
> > bronze. Once the national ID card is law, and it will be, the social
> > security number will be your personal national ID number, and sometime
> > in the future there will be a provision for that number to be
> > imprinted/implanted in/on your body to be read by special equipment
> > that only your benevolent government will have (or so it will be
> > claimed) and all they have to do is point said equipment at you to
> > know all they need to know. It will all be on one big data base. It
> > isn't hard at all to show this theory at work either. Prized animals
> > already have this technology in use and its a short step to convince
> > some young mother that her children should have this protection too
> > and once they grow up with it, ..."well I've had it all my life so
> > what is wrong with it?..." and so it goes.
> > Selway Kid
> >>
> >> "SelwayKid" > wrote in message
> >> m...
> >> > Unless you think its all a joke, the recent TSA requirement for CFI's
> >> > to register with them, and do their own bookkeeping. making a database
> >> > at your expense, all in the name of national security, take another
> >> > look at what is happening.
> >> > H.R.10 and S.2774 for a National Identity Card are right behind it.
> >> > I've been warning of this for over 20 years and now its happening
> >> > while we sleep.
> >> > Not sure about you all but I sure as hell am making some noise about
> >> > it.If you want to be stopped on the street and asked for your papers,
> >> > and get locked up for not having them, ..........
> >> > Better take a stand now before its too late.