headsets

[[email protected]]

I am a student pilot, and am about to buy a headset. I am thinking about
probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
however, i don't want to spend more on my headset than on my training.
Anyone have any suggestions as to good brands that are not outrageoulsy
expensive. Thanks

[Teacherjh]

>> I am a student pilot, and am about to buy a headset.

I would buy an inexpensive headset that has decent passive attenuation. Your
FBO probably rents headsets at something like $5 a day. Buying one of them
outright (new) would be about $100. Just do that and take your training. By
the time you have your license, you'll have a better idea of what you want, and
then buy that. Keep the old one for your passenger.

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[Teacherjh]

>> I am a student pilot, and am about to buy a headset.

I would buy an inexpensive headset that has decent passive attenuation. Your
FBO probably rents headsets at something like $5 a day. Buying one of them
outright (new) would be about $100. Just do that and take your training. By
the time you have your license, you'll have a better idea of what you want, and
then buy that. Keep the old one for your passenger.

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[Chris Ehlbeck]

I've seen and heard the reply enough that it must be true and I won't argue
it.

Purely from my own personal experience though.....
I fly with a passive Flightcom 5DX and love it. I haven't had the
headclamping problems some have mentioned about it. My wife does not want
me to replace her Telex Echelon 100 set, but she did let me put the gel ear
seals on it. The Telex does come with the "cam" system for easy adjustments
of tension for varying head sizes. The Telex set also folds in on itself
for easy and compact storage.

A year and a half ago I got the Flightcoms for $169 and they're still around
that. The Telex set is under $150 at most online pilot shops.
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PPASEL
"It's a license to learn, have fun and buy really expensive hamburgers."

"Teacherjh" > wrote in message
...
> >> I am a student pilot, and am about to buy a headset.
>
> I would buy an inexpensive headset that has decent passive attenuation.
Your
> FBO probably rents headsets at something like $5 a day. Buying one of
them
> outright (new) would be about $100. Just do that and take your training.
By
> the time you have your license, you'll have a better idea of what you
want, and
> then buy that. Keep the old one for your passenger.
>
> Jose
>
> --
> (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[Chris Ehlbeck]

I've seen and heard the reply enough that it must be true and I won't argue
it.

Purely from my own personal experience though.....
I fly with a passive Flightcom 5DX and love it. I haven't had the
headclamping problems some have mentioned about it. My wife does not want
me to replace her Telex Echelon 100 set, but she did let me put the gel ear
seals on it. The Telex does come with the "cam" system for easy adjustments
of tension for varying head sizes. The Telex set also folds in on itself
for easy and compact storage.

A year and a half ago I got the Flightcoms for $169 and they're still around
that. The Telex set is under $150 at most online pilot shops.
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PPASEL
"It's a license to learn, have fun and buy really expensive hamburgers."

"Teacherjh" > wrote in message
...
> >> I am a student pilot, and am about to buy a headset.
>
> I would buy an inexpensive headset that has decent passive attenuation.
Your
> FBO probably rents headsets at something like $5 a day. Buying one of
them
> outright (new) would be about $100. Just do that and take your training.
By
> the time you have your license, you'll have a better idea of what you
want, and
> then buy that. Keep the old one for your passenger.
>
> Jose
>
> --
> (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

[Aviv Hod]

wrote:
> I am a student pilot, and am about to buy a headset. I am thinking about
> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
> however, i don't want to spend more on my headset than on my training.
> Anyone have any suggestions as to good brands that are not outrageoulsy
> expensive. Thanks
>
>

Hi there,
Welcome to flying - hope you stick around for a while :-) If you
are committed to learning to fly, then I see no reason to go for a stop
gap headset. I find flying with passive headsets to be infinitely more
fatiguing, and downright uncomfortable compared to my ANR headset. It's
easy to trivialize in the store, because the headsets don't seem all
that different in a quiet environment for a short period of time. The
quality and comfort of a headset can only be measured after getting a
good workout flying for several hours a day.

My advice is to bite the bullet and get at least an entry level ANR
headset. I have had very good luck with my Pilot Avionics PA17-71T's,
and it cost $317 dollars. Given what equivalent and lesser headsets go
for, I still feel like I got a bargain.

You can read what I wrote about it a while ago here:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R24B21C79
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=aviv+hod+anr&hl=en&lr=&selm=6kIDa.51839%24DV.74140%40rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.at t.net&rnum=1


Different people will have different experiences with headsets based on
how well a particular model will fit their head. This is the biggest
variable. Having said that, most people understand why "David Clamps"
have been derided as such... I feel bad for my passengers when they use
my old H10-13.4's for longer than an hour at a time. They have a
reputation for being very reliable, but their clamping force (necessary
for effective passive noise attenuation) spawn pounding headaches. YMMV

Good luck!

-Aviv Hod

[Aviv Hod]

wrote:
> I am a student pilot, and am about to buy a headset. I am thinking about
> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
> however, i don't want to spend more on my headset than on my training.
> Anyone have any suggestions as to good brands that are not outrageoulsy
> expensive. Thanks
>
>

Hi there,
Welcome to flying - hope you stick around for a while :-) If you
are committed to learning to fly, then I see no reason to go for a stop
gap headset. I find flying with passive headsets to be infinitely more
fatiguing, and downright uncomfortable compared to my ANR headset. It's
easy to trivialize in the store, because the headsets don't seem all
that different in a quiet environment for a short period of time. The
quality and comfort of a headset can only be measured after getting a
good workout flying for several hours a day.

My advice is to bite the bullet and get at least an entry level ANR
headset. I have had very good luck with my Pilot Avionics PA17-71T's,
and it cost $317 dollars. Given what equivalent and lesser headsets go
for, I still feel like I got a bargain.

You can read what I wrote about it a while ago here:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R24B21C79
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=aviv+hod+anr&hl=en&lr=&selm=6kIDa.51839%24DV.74140%40rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.at t.net&rnum=1


Different people will have different experiences with headsets based on
how well a particular model will fit their head. This is the biggest
variable. Having said that, most people understand why "David Clamps"
have been derided as such... I feel bad for my passengers when they use
my old H10-13.4's for longer than an hour at a time. They have a
reputation for being very reliable, but their clamping force (necessary
for effective passive noise attenuation) spawn pounding headaches. YMMV

Good luck!

-Aviv Hod

[Thomas Borchert]

,

> I am thinking about
> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
>

With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology. Both ergonomics and
technology (think ANR) have advanced tremendously since then. DCs are
not called David Clamps for nothing. Also, they are simply too
expensive for what they offer. In my view, DC is not recommended.

The two key factors in a headset are:

- wearing comfort
- good ANR

It just doesn't make sense to go without ANR these days. Buy a real
headset from the start. The entry level ANR from Lightspeed is what,
300? You're lucky to get a passive DC for that.

In my opinion, Lightspeed deliveres best on those two at an excellent
price.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

,

> I am thinking about
> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
>

With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology. Both ergonomics and
technology (think ANR) have advanced tremendously since then. DCs are
not called David Clamps for nothing. Also, they are simply too
expensive for what they offer. In my view, DC is not recommended.

The two key factors in a headset are:

- wearing comfort
- good ANR

It just doesn't make sense to go without ANR these days. Buy a real
headset from the start. The entry level ANR from Lightspeed is what,
300? You're lucky to get a passive DC for that.

In my opinion, Lightspeed deliveres best on those two at an excellent
price.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[john smith]

It may be 60's era technology, but it's also 60's era quality, something
completely lacking in today's "build it as cheap as you can, charge as
much as you can" business world.
Given the low quality of LightSpeeds, the same high price arguement can
be made. You are paying too much for junk.
In 25 years, I have sent my DC's back only one time. That was for
refurbishing the plugs when they were 20 years old. Try that with your
LightSpeeds!

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> ,
>
>
>>I am thinking about
>>probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
>>
>
>
> With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology. Both ergonomics and
> technology (think ANR) have advanced tremendously since then. DCs are
> not called David Clamps for nothing. Also, they are simply too
> expensive for what they offer. In my view, DC is not recommended.
>
> The two key factors in a headset are:
>
> - wearing comfort
> - good ANR
>
> It just doesn't make sense to go without ANR these days. Buy a real
> headset from the start. The entry level ANR from Lightspeed is what,
> 300? You're lucky to get a passive DC for that.
>
> In my opinion, Lightspeed deliveres best on those two at an excellent
> price.
>

[john smith]

It may be 60's era technology, but it's also 60's era quality, something
completely lacking in today's "build it as cheap as you can, charge as
much as you can" business world.
Given the low quality of LightSpeeds, the same high price arguement can
be made. You are paying too much for junk.
In 25 years, I have sent my DC's back only one time. That was for
refurbishing the plugs when they were 20 years old. Try that with your
LightSpeeds!

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> ,
>
>
>>I am thinking about
>>probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
>>
>
>
> With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology. Both ergonomics and
> technology (think ANR) have advanced tremendously since then. DCs are
> not called David Clamps for nothing. Also, they are simply too
> expensive for what they offer. In my view, DC is not recommended.
>
> The two key factors in a headset are:
>
> - wearing comfort
> - good ANR
>
> It just doesn't make sense to go without ANR these days. Buy a real
> headset from the start. The entry level ANR from Lightspeed is what,
> 300? You're lucky to get a passive DC for that.
>
> In my opinion, Lightspeed deliveres best on those two at an excellent
> price.
>

[[email protected]]

ASA has refurbished heatsets for $75. These are relatively inexpensive
passive units. I've got two of them. The first I bought for training, and
then later I got another for a passenger. I'm happy with them. The longest
trip I've taken was six hours of flying in one day, and I didn't find them
uncomfortable. At least in Cessna 152 and 172, the noise reduction is quite
adaquate. ANR may be alluring, but passive technology is pretty reliable.

I'm not associated with ASA, but if you want to check their refurbs, try this
link: http://asa2fly.com/AB2012000Store/product1.asp?SID=1&Product_ID=439

best luck,
tom pettit


>> I am thinking about
>> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,

[[email protected]]

ASA has refurbished heatsets for $75. These are relatively inexpensive
passive units. I've got two of them. The first I bought for training, and
then later I got another for a passenger. I'm happy with them. The longest
trip I've taken was six hours of flying in one day, and I didn't find them
uncomfortable. At least in Cessna 152 and 172, the noise reduction is quite
adaquate. ANR may be alluring, but passive technology is pretty reliable.

I'm not associated with ASA, but if you want to check their refurbs, try this
link: http://asa2fly.com/AB2012000Store/product1.asp?SID=1&Product_ID=439

best luck,
tom pettit


>> I am thinking about
>> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,

[Stefan]

Thomas Borchert wrote:

> With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology.

So they fit nicely into those Cessnae and Pipers he'll probbly fly... :-)

Stefan

[Stefan]

Thomas Borchert wrote:

> With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology.

So they fit nicely into those Cessnae and Pipers he'll probbly fly... :-)

Stefan

[Thomas Borchert]

John,

> Given the low quality of LightSpeeds
>

which is very much open to debate. I think the quality of the DC is
abysmal - something offering that little comfort should never have made
it to market.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

John,

> Given the low quality of LightSpeeds
>

which is very much open to debate. I think the quality of the DC is
abysmal - something offering that little comfort should never have made
it to market.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

> ANR may be alluring, but passive technology is pretty reliable.
>

ANR is, too.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

> ANR may be alluring, but passive technology is pretty reliable.
>

ANR is, too.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Greg Butler]

ANR does sound good, is there much difference between an entry level ANR and
a $1000 set? It doesn't look like there is all that much difference in
attenuation, but I have never tried a pair of ANR's so I don't really know.


"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> > ANR may be alluring, but passive technology is pretty reliable.
> >
>
> ANR is, too.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

[Greg Butler]

ANR does sound good, is there much difference between an entry level ANR and
a $1000 set? It doesn't look like there is all that much difference in
attenuation, but I have never tried a pair of ANR's so I don't really know.


"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> > ANR may be alluring, but passive technology is pretty reliable.
> >
>
> ANR is, too.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

[aluckyguess]

Go on ebay you will find a good set.
"Stefan" > wrote in message
...
> Thomas Borchert wrote:
>
>> With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology.
>
> So they fit nicely into those Cessnae and Pipers he'll probbly fly... :-)
>
> Stefan
>

[aluckyguess]

Go on ebay you will find a good set.
"Stefan" > wrote in message
...
> Thomas Borchert wrote:
>
>> With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology.
>
> So they fit nicely into those Cessnae and Pipers he'll probbly fly... :-)
>
> Stefan
>

[G.R. Patterson III]

Greg Butler wrote:
>
> ANR does sound good, is there much difference between an entry level ANR and
> a $1000 set? It doesn't look like there is all that much difference in
> attenuation, but I have never tried a pair of ANR's so I don't really know.

The major difference between a high-quality unit (> $600) and the least expensive
Lightspeed is the fact that you can easily get distortion in the BOL Lightspeeds from
poor seals in the earcups. If you wear glasses, they may be unusable. When I tried a
set at Osh some years back, the sales rep was very up-front about it. Another problem
with cheaper units can be excessive height of the headband, though this is also a
problem with my Series I Bose.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Greg Butler wrote:
>
> ANR does sound good, is there much difference between an entry level ANR and
> a $1000 set? It doesn't look like there is all that much difference in
> attenuation, but I have never tried a pair of ANR's so I don't really know.

The major difference between a high-quality unit (> $600) and the least expensive
Lightspeed is the fact that you can easily get distortion in the BOL Lightspeeds from
poor seals in the earcups. If you wear glasses, they may be unusable. When I tried a
set at Osh some years back, the sales rep was very up-front about it. Another problem
with cheaper units can be excessive height of the headband, though this is also a
problem with my Series I Bose.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

[Steve DeMoss]

john smith wrote:
> It may be 60's era technology, but it's also 60's era quality, something
> completely lacking in today's "build it as cheap as you can, charge as
> much as you can" business world.
> Given the low quality of LightSpeeds, the same high price arguement can
> be made. You are paying too much for junk.
> In 25 years, I have sent my DC's back only one time. That was for
> refurbishing the plugs when they were 20 years old. Try that with your
> LightSpeeds!
>
> Thomas Borchert wrote:
>
>> ,
>>
>>
>>> I am thinking about
>>> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
>>>
>>
>>
>> With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology. Both ergonomics and
>> technology (think ANR) have advanced tremendously since then. DCs are
>> not called David Clamps for nothing. Also, they are simply too
>> expensive for what they offer. In my view, DC is not recommended.
>>
>> The two key factors in a headset are:
>>
>> - wearing comfort
>> - good ANR
>>
>> It just doesn't make sense to go without ANR these days. Buy a real
>> headset from the start. The entry level ANR from Lightspeed is what,
>> 300? You're lucky to get a passive DC for that.
>>
>> In my opinion, Lightspeed deliveres best on those two at an excellent
>> price.
>
>
FWIW, I'm on my third year with my LightSpeed 15XLs without a single
problem. I *do* handle them carefully and put them back in their bag
after the plane is back in the hangar. I bought a pair of the QFR Solos
for pax and they too have served well.

I flew with DCs as a student and found the clamping pressure extremely
uncomfortable after about an hour in the air. And some of the DC
knockoffs weren't much better. The design of the LightSpeed XLs, with
the extra-thick cushion in the headband (I'm a baldy, so it helps!!) and
the extra-deep ear cushions was what really attracted me at first. The
ANR turned out to be an added bonus, and the battery life has been
great. I've noticed that even the mighty Bose had to make improvements
to their design to compete with LightSpeed features like auto-shutoff
and extended battery life. So, even if LightSpeed's quality is not up to
the standards of some on this NG, the competition they have provided has
prompted the other manufacturers to improve their headsets in order to
better compete.

Steve DeMoss

[Steve DeMoss]

john smith wrote:
> It may be 60's era technology, but it's also 60's era quality, something
> completely lacking in today's "build it as cheap as you can, charge as
> much as you can" business world.
> Given the low quality of LightSpeeds, the same high price arguement can
> be made. You are paying too much for junk.
> In 25 years, I have sent my DC's back only one time. That was for
> refurbishing the plugs when they were 20 years old. Try that with your
> LightSpeeds!
>
> Thomas Borchert wrote:
>
>> ,
>>
>>
>>> I am thinking about
>>> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
>>>
>>
>>
>> With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology. Both ergonomics and
>> technology (think ANR) have advanced tremendously since then. DCs are
>> not called David Clamps for nothing. Also, they are simply too
>> expensive for what they offer. In my view, DC is not recommended.
>>
>> The two key factors in a headset are:
>>
>> - wearing comfort
>> - good ANR
>>
>> It just doesn't make sense to go without ANR these days. Buy a real
>> headset from the start. The entry level ANR from Lightspeed is what,
>> 300? You're lucky to get a passive DC for that.
>>
>> In my opinion, Lightspeed deliveres best on those two at an excellent
>> price.
>
>
FWIW, I'm on my third year with my LightSpeed 15XLs without a single
problem. I *do* handle them carefully and put them back in their bag
after the plane is back in the hangar. I bought a pair of the QFR Solos
for pax and they too have served well.

I flew with DCs as a student and found the clamping pressure extremely
uncomfortable after about an hour in the air. And some of the DC
knockoffs weren't much better. The design of the LightSpeed XLs, with
the extra-thick cushion in the headband (I'm a baldy, so it helps!!) and
the extra-deep ear cushions was what really attracted me at first. The
ANR turned out to be an added bonus, and the battery life has been
great. I've noticed that even the mighty Bose had to make improvements
to their design to compete with LightSpeed features like auto-shutoff
and extended battery life. So, even if LightSpeed's quality is not up to
the standards of some on this NG, the competition they have provided has
prompted the other manufacturers to improve their headsets in order to
better compete.

Steve DeMoss

[dave]

Sour grapes? If you can't afford to own a quality headset don't knock it.

Buy a good DC passive used on ebay.

Dave


Thomas Borchert wrote:
> ,
>
>
>>I am thinking about
>>probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
>>
>
>
> With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology. Both ergonomics and
> technology (think ANR) have advanced tremendously since then. DCs are
> not called David Clamps for nothing. Also, they are simply too
> expensive for what they offer. In my view, DC is not recommended.
>
> The two key factors in a headset are:
>
> - wearing comfort
> - good ANR
>
> It just doesn't make sense to go without ANR these days. Buy a real
> headset from the start. The entry level ANR from Lightspeed is what,
> 300? You're lucky to get a passive DC for that.
>
> In my opinion, Lightspeed deliveres best on those two at an excellent
> price.
>

[dave]

Sour grapes? If you can't afford to own a quality headset don't knock it.

Buy a good DC passive used on ebay.

Dave


Thomas Borchert wrote:
> ,
>
>
>>I am thinking about
>>probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
>>
>
>
> With DC, you'll be buying 60s technology. Both ergonomics and
> technology (think ANR) have advanced tremendously since then. DCs are
> not called David Clamps for nothing. Also, they are simply too
> expensive for what they offer. In my view, DC is not recommended.
>
> The two key factors in a headset are:
>
> - wearing comfort
> - good ANR
>
> It just doesn't make sense to go without ANR these days. Buy a real
> headset from the start. The entry level ANR from Lightspeed is what,
> 300? You're lucky to get a passive DC for that.
>
> In my opinion, Lightspeed deliveres best on those two at an excellent
> price.
>

[Mike O'Malley]

" <gdbutler at bellsouth.net> wrote in message
.. .
> I am a student pilot, and am about to buy a headset. I am thinking about
> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
> however, i don't want to spend more on my headset than on my training.
> Anyone have any suggestions as to good brands that are not outrageoulsy
> expensive. Thanks
>

In 7 years and 1600 hours, my 13.4's have been squashed, dropped, rained on.
They've been exposed to twenty below winters and 105+ F summers. They've
spent 3 seasons getting knocked around in banner planes, down low in salt
air over the beach. They show some wear, scuffs and such from general
abuse, and some slight surface rust on one of the metal straps, but they've
never missed a beat, and by my own admission, they were treated with
anything but kid gloves.

As far as comfort and noise attenuation? Well, I've got a fairly large
head, and I never had a problem with them. Some weekends we'd spend 11+
hours in the plane, a day. I'm talking a Super Cub running open stacks and
stripped bare; no doors, windows, mufflers, nothing. Now my rear end and
back might have been sore, and my legs stiff, and I might have needed a shoe
horn to get out at the end of the day. But I never noticed the headset.
(BTW- a set of cloth ear seal covers do WONDERS for comfort; earmuffs on
cold days, and they wisk the sweat away on hot ones)

[Mike O'Malley]

" <gdbutler at bellsouth.net> wrote in message
.. .
> I am a student pilot, and am about to buy a headset. I am thinking about
> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
> however, i don't want to spend more on my headset than on my training.
> Anyone have any suggestions as to good brands that are not outrageoulsy
> expensive. Thanks
>

In 7 years and 1600 hours, my 13.4's have been squashed, dropped, rained on.
They've been exposed to twenty below winters and 105+ F summers. They've
spent 3 seasons getting knocked around in banner planes, down low in salt
air over the beach. They show some wear, scuffs and such from general
abuse, and some slight surface rust on one of the metal straps, but they've
never missed a beat, and by my own admission, they were treated with
anything but kid gloves.

As far as comfort and noise attenuation? Well, I've got a fairly large
head, and I never had a problem with them. Some weekends we'd spend 11+
hours in the plane, a day. I'm talking a Super Cub running open stacks and
stripped bare; no doors, windows, mufflers, nothing. Now my rear end and
back might have been sore, and my legs stiff, and I might have needed a shoe
horn to get out at the end of the day. But I never noticed the headset.
(BTW- a set of cloth ear seal covers do WONDERS for comfort; earmuffs on
cold days, and they wisk the sweat away on hot ones)

[NW_PILOT]

" <gdbutler at bellsouth.net> wrote in message
.. .
> I am a student pilot, and am about to buy a headset. I am thinking about
> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
> however, i don't want to spend more on my headset than on my training.
> Anyone have any suggestions as to good brands that are not outrageoulsy
> expensive. Thanks
>
>

Rental headsets Yuck!!!!!! It's like wearing somone elses hat and using
their mouth guard. Buy yourself a decent well built headset, I don't think
you will spend more on a headset than your training it will be a very minor
cost that will last you a long time.

Ask yourself how much is your hearing worth to you? How much is comfort
worth? Do you want to get sick?

Yes, Bad germs live on mike muffs and people put them to their lips and spit
when they talk. They also sweat on the ear seals. Hell if someone has head
head bugs "lice" the rental headpad is a breeding ground for that.

[NW_PILOT]

" <gdbutler at bellsouth.net> wrote in message
.. .
> I am a student pilot, and am about to buy a headset. I am thinking about
> probably getting a David Clark, they seem to be pretty good quality,
> however, i don't want to spend more on my headset than on my training.
> Anyone have any suggestions as to good brands that are not outrageoulsy
> expensive. Thanks
>
>

Rental headsets Yuck!!!!!! It's like wearing somone elses hat and using
their mouth guard. Buy yourself a decent well built headset, I don't think
you will spend more on a headset than your training it will be a very minor
cost that will last you a long time.

Ask yourself how much is your hearing worth to you? How much is comfort
worth? Do you want to get sick?

Yes, Bad germs live on mike muffs and people put them to their lips and spit
when they talk. They also sweat on the ear seals. Hell if someone has head
head bugs "lice" the rental headpad is a breeding ground for that.

[NW_PILOT]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> John,
>
> > Given the low quality of LightSpeeds
> >

I have broken my thirty-3g's four times they have more factory return time
than actual useage time returned them to factory and bought ANR DC's and my
DC's still going strong worth the extra money for the quality materials.


>
> which is very much open to debate. I think the quality of the DC is
> abysmal - something offering that little comfort should never have made
> it to market.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

[NW_PILOT]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> John,
>
> > Given the low quality of LightSpeeds
> >

I have broken my thirty-3g's four times they have more factory return time
than actual useage time returned them to factory and bought ANR DC's and my
DC's still going strong worth the extra money for the quality materials.


>
> which is very much open to debate. I think the quality of the DC is
> abysmal - something offering that little comfort should never have made
> it to market.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>

[Thomas Borchert]

Greg,

> ANR does sound good, is there much difference between an entry level ANR and
> a $1000 set?
>

In a word: Yes. Can you get similar-to-1000-$ performance for a little more
than half that money? IMHO, yes, absolutely. Can you get it for a quarter or a
third of the money? Not really.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Greg,

> ANR does sound good, is there much difference between an entry level ANR and
> a $1000 set?
>

In a word: Yes. Can you get similar-to-1000-$ performance for a little more
than half that money? IMHO, yes, absolutely. Can you get it for a quarter or a
third of the money? Not really.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Dave,

> If you can't afford to own a quality headset don't knock it.
>

I can. I own a Lightspeed. Proudly.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Dave,

> If you can't afford to own a quality headset don't knock it.
>

I can. I own a Lightspeed. Proudly.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[john smith]

I had the old cloth covers and took my headset to a DC booth at OSH a
few years ago to inquire about the new cloth covers.
The DC rep looked at my covers and asked,
"Have you ever thought about washing them?"
When I got home... I did.

Mike O'Malley wrote:
> (BTW- a set of cloth ear seal covers do WONDERS for comfort; earmuffs on
> cold days, and they wisk the sweat away on hot ones)

[john smith]

I had the old cloth covers and took my headset to a DC booth at OSH a
few years ago to inquire about the new cloth covers.
The DC rep looked at my covers and asked,
"Have you ever thought about washing them?"
When I got home... I did.

Mike O'Malley wrote:
> (BTW- a set of cloth ear seal covers do WONDERS for comfort; earmuffs on
> cold days, and they wisk the sweat away on hot ones)

[Mike O'Malley]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> I had the old cloth covers and took my headset to a DC booth at OSH a
> few years ago to inquire about the new cloth covers.
> The DC rep looked at my covers and asked,
> "Have you ever thought about washing them?"
> When I got home... I did.
>

You know, that actually did cross my mind last night after I wrote that.
Just took a sniff; they're in with the laundry right now :-)

[Mike O'Malley]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> I had the old cloth covers and took my headset to a DC booth at OSH a
> few years ago to inquire about the new cloth covers.
> The DC rep looked at my covers and asked,
> "Have you ever thought about washing them?"
> When I got home... I did.
>

You know, that actually did cross my mind last night after I wrote that.
Just took a sniff; they're in with the laundry right now :-)