Stuck Mike

[Jay Honeck]

Coming back from Pella (near Des Moines) today we over-flew a poor sap who
was apparently sitting on his microphone. Worse, he had the incredible
misfortune of being the last person in a flight of three to land, and while
they landed ahead of him he gave a long, critical, and quite profane running
review of his "friend's" landings to his co-pilot -- and also, unknowingly,
live on the air, to every pilot in the Midwest.

After he landed, we could hear the guy shut down, and someone yelling at
him. Then the mike went dead. It was quite hilarious.

Aside from the obvious lessons to be learned from this (like, always be
careful what you say, in case you're transmitting!), we just could NOT
believe the number of pilots who tried to call the guy with the stuck mike!
For some strange reason, half a dozen folks, both on the ground and in the
air, somehow believed that a radio that is transmitting could also receive
at the same time, so they were broadcasting stupid stuff like "AIRCRAFT WITH
THE STUCK MIKE, PLEASE CHECK YOUR MICROPHONE..."

Obviously (or so I thought) anyone with a basic knowledge of how a 2-way
radio works knows that the receiver is necessarily cut off during
transmissions -- but apparently there are a fair number of people who don't
have a firm grasp on this concept.

This isn't the first time I've heard this type of thing. Back in the 70s,
during the CB radio craze, it was pretty common, and I've heard this happen
once or twice while flying -- but it never fails to amaze me.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Chuck]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:jPFcd.410304$Fg5.66323@attbi_s53...
> Coming back from Pella (near Des Moines) today we over-flew a poor sap who
> was apparently sitting on his microphone. Worse, he had the incredible
> misfortune of being the last person in a flight of three to land, and
while
> they landed ahead of him he gave a long, critical, and quite profane
running
> review of his "friend's" landings to his co-pilot -- and also,
unknowingly,
> live on the air, to every pilot in the Midwest.
>
> After he landed, we could hear the guy shut down, and someone yelling at
> him. Then the mike went dead. It was quite hilarious.
>
> Aside from the obvious lessons to be learned from this (like, always be
> careful what you say, in case you're transmitting!), we just could NOT
> believe the number of pilots who tried to call the guy with the stuck
mike!
> For some strange reason, half a dozen folks, both on the ground and in the
> air, somehow believed that a radio that is transmitting could also receive
> at the same time, so they were broadcasting stupid stuff like "AIRCRAFT
WITH
> THE STUCK MIKE, PLEASE CHECK YOUR MICROPHONE..."
>
> Obviously (or so I thought) anyone with a basic knowledge of how a 2-way
> radio works knows that the receiver is necessarily cut off during
> transmissions -- but apparently there are a fair number of people who
don't
> have a firm grasp on this concept.
>

At work, we carry radios to communicate with each other.

Half of those goofballs do the same thing. "Hey Don... You mic is stuck!"
Like he can hear them! haha

The best one so far was when my boss was taking... well... a number two. I
guess that his radio had hit the ground or his boot or something, but
anyways, you could hear all of the sounds associated with a number two as
well as him carrying on a conversation while he was sitting on the toilet!
What a putz!


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[Blanche]

There are times when transmitting "you got a stuck mic" works, as
odd as it may seem. if I'm near the airport, I have both radios
tuned to the same freq while in the pattern - why? Because it's
habit. Before I replaced both radios, I had problems with
reception. Depending on the distance and location within the
10 m radius, I might have one of the radios cut out on me. So
having another available saved me the time of changing freqs when
close by.

Now that I've got 1 new radio and 1 "kinda new" (refurb) I can
have 1 live and 2 additional freqs monitored. Lots of
information when you live under Class B, and within 5 nm of both
the USAF base *and* the class B airport is really important.

[John Harlow]

> There are times when transmitting "you got a stuck mic" works, as
> odd as it may seem. if I'm near the airport, I have both radios
> tuned to the same freq while in the pattern


I'd be surprised it would work in this case because your stuck transmitter
would way overpower any other received signals. All you'd probably hear
would be beat tones at best.

[Jay Honeck]

> There are times when transmitting "you got a stuck mic" works, as
> odd as it may seem. if I'm near the airport, I have both radios
> tuned to the same freq

Wouldn't you be blasting the receiving radio with overwhelming power from
the transmitting radio?

It seems like this would eliminate any chance of you hearing anyone else, in
the case of a stuck mike.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ben Smith]

> Worse, he had the incredible
> misfortune of being the last person in a flight of three to land, and
while
> they landed ahead of him he gave a long, critical, and quite profane
running
> review of his "friend's" landings to his co-pilot -- and also,
unknowingly,
> live on the air, to every pilot in the Midwest.

OMG! Busted. :)

--
Ben
C-172 - N13258 @ 87Y

[Bob Chilcoat]

My brother, a former clergyman, tells the story of the guest preacher who
was fitted with a wireless mic before the service, but who was taken short
just before he was due to preach and slipped out to have an emergency bowel
movement. He completely forgot about the microphone, but when he slipped
back into the sanctuary just in time to take the pulpit, he realized his
mistake. The entire congregation was shaking and red faced, desperately
trying to keep from laughing, having listened to the whole performance. My
brother swears that this is true and happened to a friend of his, but of
course the same story appeared later in one of the Naked Gun movies. I
doubt that it's true, but it makes a good story.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love
America

"Chuck" > wrote in message
m...
>
> The best one so far was when my boss was taking... well... a number two. I
> guess that his radio had hit the ground or his boot or something, but
> anyways, you could hear all of the sounds associated with a number two as
> well as him carrying on a conversation while he was sitting on the toilet!
> What a putz!

[Bill Denton]

I wonder why no aircraft manufacturers or mod manufacturers have come up
with a nice, big, XMIT light mounted dead center on the panel.

It should be very cheap to do on a new aircraft, inexpensive when done in
connection with other radio installs, and not worth it as a stand-alone mod.

And it would also provide a helpful visual cue for the folks who can't seem
to manage to hit the PTT until they are halfway through their message!




"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:jPFcd.410304$Fg5.66323@attbi_s53...
> Coming back from Pella (near Des Moines) today we over-flew a poor sap who
> was apparently sitting on his microphone. Worse, he had the incredible
> misfortune of being the last person in a flight of three to land, and
while
> they landed ahead of him he gave a long, critical, and quite profane
running
> review of his "friend's" landings to his co-pilot -- and also,
unknowingly,
> live on the air, to every pilot in the Midwest.
>
> After he landed, we could hear the guy shut down, and someone yelling at
> him. Then the mike went dead. It was quite hilarious.
>
> Aside from the obvious lessons to be learned from this (like, always be
> careful what you say, in case you're transmitting!), we just could NOT
> believe the number of pilots who tried to call the guy with the stuck
mike!
> For some strange reason, half a dozen folks, both on the ground and in the
> air, somehow believed that a radio that is transmitting could also receive
> at the same time, so they were broadcasting stupid stuff like "AIRCRAFT
WITH
> THE STUCK MIKE, PLEASE CHECK YOUR MICROPHONE..."
>
> Obviously (or so I thought) anyone with a basic knowledge of how a 2-way
> radio works knows that the receiver is necessarily cut off during
> transmissions -- but apparently there are a fair number of people who
don't
> have a firm grasp on this concept.
>
> This isn't the first time I've heard this type of thing. Back in the 70s,
> during the CB radio craze, it was pretty common, and I've heard this
happen
> once or twice while flying -- but it never fails to amaze me.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

>I wonder why no aircraft manufacturers or mod manufacturers have come up
> with a nice, big, XMIT light mounted dead center on the panel.

Our year-old Narco 810+R (a digital flip-flop slide-in replacement for the
venerable Narco 120 com radios) has exactly that.

I routinely check to see if I'm transmitting when I've pushed the PTT.

Now, of course, I'm going to be checking it all the time! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> OMG! Busted. :)

I don't think so, Ben. The guys we heard seemed to be landing at or near
Grinnell, Iowa.

But, if you wish to confess, they say it's good for the soul...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Fisher]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:jPFcd.410304

> Aside from the obvious lessons to be learned from this (like, always be
> careful what you say, in case you're transmitting!), we just could NOT
> believe the number of pilots who tried to call the guy with the stuck
> mike!

Snicker. I've been one of those people before.

I overheard a pilot giving his co-pilot a narrated tour of the surrounding
area. Obviously a stuck mike.

I tried in vain to alert him to this. There were silences between
transmissions where I was not certain the mike was stuck so, during these
silences, I transmitted that he had a stuck mike. I thought perhaps he had
a voice activated mike or something.

I was on flight following at this time and had just a few hours of cross
country in my logbook so I felt uncomfortable without the extra eyes that
flight following afforded me. The pilot probably couldn't hear me but I
felt it was worth a try, anyway.

After about 5 minutes, he finally did stop transmitting just after I
transmitted to him. Maybe he heard me, maybe not.

--
Jim Fisher

[Bill Denton]

And make sure you keep the red light continuously on anytime you're in a
Class B airspace. That way you can get right through to ATC without having
to wait for all of the heavies and stuff to stop talking...




"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:PKPcd.203381$wV.74690@attbi_s54...
> >I wonder why no aircraft manufacturers or mod manufacturers have come up
> > with a nice, big, XMIT light mounted dead center on the panel.
>
> Our year-old Narco 810+R (a digital flip-flop slide-in replacement for the
> venerable Narco 120 com radios) has exactly that.
>
> I routinely check to see if I'm transmitting when I've pushed the PTT.
>
> Now, of course, I'm going to be checking it all the time! :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Andrew Gideon]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>I wonder why no aircraft manufacturers or mod manufacturers have come up
>> with a nice, big, XMIT light mounted dead center on the panel.
>
> Our year-old Narco 810+R (a digital flip-flop slide-in replacement for the
> venerable Narco 120 com radios) has exactly that.
>

Our Garmins have this too. It was quite helpful in identifying/debugging a
"stuck microphone" wiring issue a while back.

- Andrew

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Our year-old Narco 810+R (a digital flip-flop slide-in replacement for the
> venerable Narco 120 com radios) has exactly that.

My Mk-12D has a little "T" in the display when the mic is live. Easy to miss, but
also easy to check if, for some reason, you become suspicious that yours is stuck.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

[Peter R.]

Bob Chilcoat ) wrote:

> My
> brother swears that this is true and happened to a friend of his, but of
> course the same story appeared later in one of the Naked Gun movies

Perhaps one of the Naked Gun writers was in the church that fateful day.

--
Peter

[Jim Weir]

You wanna know why? I'll give you two good reasons why.

1. The BIG RED LIGHT on the center of the panel should be reserved for things
that make the airplane stop flying, like low fuel, low oil, high temp, all that
critical stuff. A radio (much to my corporate dismay) is NOT required to keep
the aircraft in the air.

2. We designed and manufactured such a light...even a BIG RED light to tell
when ANYTHING on the airplane went out of limits (fuel, temperatures, pressures,
stuck mic, etc.). It sold for $75. In five years we sold fifteen of them.
People don't give a damn about things like this until it hits the fan, and then
it is a bit late.

Jim




"Bill Denton" >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->I wonder why no aircraft manufacturers or mod manufacturers have come up
->with a nice, big, XMIT light mounted dead center on the panel.
->
->It should be very cheap to do on a new aircraft, inexpensive when done in
->connection with other radio installs, and not worth it as a stand-alone mod.
->
->And it would also provide a helpful visual cue for the folks who can't seem
->to manage to hit the PTT until they are halfway through their message!


Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>I wonder why no aircraft manufacturers or mod manufacturers have come up
>>with a nice, big, XMIT light mounted dead center on the panel.
>
>
> Our year-old Narco 810+R (a digital flip-flop slide-in replacement for the
> venerable Narco 120 com radios) has exactly that.
>
> I routinely check to see if I'm transmitting when I've pushed the PTT.
>
> Now, of course, I'm going to be checking it all the time! :-)

My SL40 has a transmit light, not very bright but it's there. More
importantly it also has a time out timer. After about 45-60 seconds the
transmitter simply turns off and you go back to receiving, even with the
mic button held down.

[Jay Beckman]

"Bill Denton" > wrote in message
...
>I wonder why no aircraft manufacturers or mod manufacturers have come up
> with a nice, big, XMIT light mounted dead center on the panel.
>
> It should be very cheap to do on a new aircraft, inexpensive when done in
> connection with other radio installs, and not worth it as a stand-alone
> mod.
>
> And it would also provide a helpful visual cue for the folks who can't
> seem
> to manage to hit the PTT until they are halfway through their message!
>

Hi Bill,

The Bendix/King KX 155As in the C172SPs I trained in and am now renting will
(according to the Cessna Pilot Course textbook...) cut off the TX if the mic
has been keyed for longer than 33 seconds. Then the active frequency will
start blinking confirming you've been cut off. I've not had to test this
under fire yet...hope I don't have to.

Via scanner, I caught a stuck mic incident at Washington Reagan a couple of
months ago where ground control was blocked for a good half hour or so. The
tower had to handle everything and they were NOT happy about it. You could
almost make out conversations going on in the far background on the ground
frequency but unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to hear how it resolved
as I had to go board my flight.

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
PP-ASEL

[Robert Briggs]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> > There are times when transmitting "you got a stuck mic" works, as
> > odd as it may seem. if I'm near the airport, I have both radios
> > tuned to the same freq
>
> Wouldn't you be blasting the receiving radio with overwhelming power
> from the transmitting radio?
>
> It seems like this would eliminate any chance of you hearing anyone
> else, in the case of a stuck mike.

Let's see, you know that the guy is transmitting on one frequency,
but what about his second box?

If he's using it to monitor another frequency then, with a spot of
educated trial-and-error, you may be able to get through to him.

[Peter R.]

Jay Beckman ) wrote:

> The Bendix/King KX 155As in the C172SPs I trained in and am now renting will
> (according to the Cessna Pilot Course textbook...) cut off the TX if the mic
> has been keyed for longer than 33 seconds. Then the active frequency will
> start blinking confirming you've been cut off. I've not had to test this
> under fire yet...hope I don't have to.

Provide a PIREP or file a flight plan in the air and you will
inadvertently test the cut-off feature of this audio panel.

During a PIREP or flight plan, I purposely pause to recycle the push-
to-talk switch. This prevents the panel from activating that safety
feature and cutting me off mid-sentence.

--
Peter

[Jay Beckman]

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Jay Beckman ) wrote:
>
>> The Bendix/King KX 155As in the C172SPs I trained in and am now renting
>> will
>> (according to the Cessna Pilot Course textbook...) cut off the TX if the
>> mic
>> has been keyed for longer than 33 seconds. Then the active frequency
>> will
>> start blinking confirming you've been cut off. I've not had to test this
>> under fire yet...hope I don't have to.
>
> Provide a PIREP or file a flight plan in the air and you will
> inadvertently test the cut-off feature of this audio panel.
>
> During a PIREP or flight plan, I purposely pause to recycle the push-
> to-talk switch. This prevents the panel from activating that safety
> feature and cutting me off mid-sentence.
>
> --
> Peter

Good point...Good Suggestion

Jay B

[Kurt R. Todoroff]

During my tour in my first fighter squadron in the early 1980s (F-111D, Cannon
AFB, New Mexico) I heard a poor soul on stuck mic. Unfortunately, he was doing
a pretty good job of disparaging his flight leader. I was a First Lieutenant
and a wingman in a flight of two Varks that had flown to Red Flag at Nellis AFB
(out and back). We flew the mission, delivered our weapons, egressed and
humiliated some Eagles (even with their inflight reload capability) and then
RTBed to Cannon. There were a few other off-station aircraft in our strike
package, including an F-4G two-ship from George AFB. A few minutes before
Nellis Control handed us off to Center, we heard his transmission. What
follows is only a sampling of his verbal assault on his flight leader.

"Jesus, what the ****'s he doing. ****, he must have his head up his ass
again."

"Now what the **** is he doing. Lead's head must be up and locked more than
usual."

"How did we ever get stuck on his wing? What a loser."

It got worse. A lot worse. Finally, right before Nellis Control handed us off
to Center, it all came to an abrupt halt. We discussed it during our debrief
and we surmised that Lead must have rocked his wingman in to fingertip position
and gave his wingman a visual hand signal. We got a lot of mileage out of this
for a few weeks. Unfortunately, none of us carried a cassette tape recorder
that day. I really wish that we had one.



Kurt Todoroff


Markets, not mandates and mob rule.
Consent, not compulsion.

[Icebound]

"Robert Briggs" > wrote in message
...

> Let's see, you know that the guy is transmitting on one frequency,
> but what about his second box?
>
> If he's using it to monitor another frequency then, with a spot of
> educated trial-and-error, you may be able to get through to him.


Does the side-tone of the transmitter not take over his intercom?

I thought that it does and that all he gets in his headphones is his own
mic, no matter what else is "on"??

[Jack Allison]

Jim Weir wrote:
> You wanna know why? I'll give you two good reasons why.
>
> 1. The BIG RED LIGHT on the center of the panel should be reserved for things
> that make the airplane stop flying, like low fuel, low oil, high temp, all that
> critical stuff. A radio (much to my corporate dismay) is NOT required to keep
> the aircraft in the air.

Amen. The Mantra my CFI beat into my head: #1 - Aviate. #2 - Navigate.
#3 - Communicate. Getting things out of order can really mess up your
day.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Mike Rhodes]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:24:15 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Coming back from Pella (near Des Moines) today we over-flew a poor sap who

Oh, you're enjoying this already.

>was apparently sitting on his microphone. Worse, he had the incredible
>misfortune of being the last person in a flight of three to land, and while
>they landed ahead of him he gave a long, critical, and quite profane running
>review of his "friend's" landings to his co-pilot -- and also, unknowingly,

This sounds as not believable to me. Are you making something up?
I'll have to say the note of the post doesn't quite make sense. Most
would get at least a little angry, while you're obviously enjoying it.
Oh, you're angry, but not telling us what it actually is. You know
about this guy don't you?

>live on the air, to every pilot in the Midwest.

No, just to the local airport; if your story is as it says.

>
>After he landed, we could hear the guy shut down, and someone yelling at
>him. Then the mike went dead. It was quite hilarious.

No, it ain't. A pilot couldn't write this without at least a little
bit of concern for himself, and a request that the others would take
it easy on him if and when he walked out the bathroom door with his
own zipper down. But yours is absolute ridicule, for all involved;
including those who answered by reflex. That's not like you, Jay.
Can you fill us in on the rest?

>
>Aside from the obvious lessons to be learned from this (like, always be
>careful what you say, in case you're transmitting!), we just could NOT
>believe the number of pilots who tried to call the guy with the stuck mike!
>For some strange reason, half a dozen folks, both on the ground and in the
>air, somehow believed that a radio that is transmitting could also receive
>at the same time, so they were broadcasting stupid stuff like "AIRCRAFT WITH
>THE STUCK MIKE, PLEASE CHECK YOUR MICROPHONE..."
>
>Obviously (or so I thought) anyone with a basic knowledge of how a 2-way
>radio works knows that the receiver is necessarily cut off during
>transmissions -- but apparently there are a fair number of people who don't
>have a firm grasp on this concept.
>
>This isn't the first time I've heard this type of thing. Back in the 70s,
>during the CB radio craze, it was pretty common, and I've heard this happen
>once or twice while flying -- but it never fails to amaze me.

We're always looking to scold someone. We do it in our own heads all
the time, as if that does anyone any good. Then pat ourselves on the
back for being on the 'right.' But it takes a bit more nerve to go
through the act, even if it is a anonomous radio call. Some, however,
put more on the line in public. In some cases it is courage, in
others it is just obnoxious. Then there are those events which are
rather unusual.

--Mike

[Brad Z]

Jim, are you talking about the RST annunciator panel with the lights for low
vac, low voltage, low fuel, etc.? We have one in the club C-172 that I
manage. I didn't realize we were in such an elite group.

You don't happen to know where I can get some documentation for it.

Brad

"Jim Weir" > wrote in message
...
> You wanna know why? I'll give you two good reasons why.
>
> 1. The BIG RED LIGHT on the center of the panel should be reserved for
things
> that make the airplane stop flying, like low fuel, low oil, high temp, all
that
> critical stuff. A radio (much to my corporate dismay) is NOT required to
keep
> the aircraft in the air.
>
> 2. We designed and manufactured such a light...even a BIG RED light to
tell
> when ANYTHING on the airplane went out of limits (fuel, temperatures,
pressures,
> stuck mic, etc.). It sold for $75. In five years we sold fifteen of
them.
> People don't give a damn about things like this until it hits the fan, and
then
> it is a bit late.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> "Bill Denton" >
> shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:
>
> ->I wonder why no aircraft manufacturers or mod manufacturers have come up
> ->with a nice, big, XMIT light mounted dead center on the panel.
> ->
> ->It should be very cheap to do on a new aircraft, inexpensive when done
in
> ->connection with other radio installs, and not worth it as a stand-alone
mod.
> ->
> ->And it would also provide a helpful visual cue for the folks who can't
seem
> ->to manage to hit the PTT until they are halfway through their message!
>
>
> Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
> VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
> http://www.rst-engr.com

[Jay Honeck]

> Oh, you're enjoying this already.

Yeah, it was the best part of a terrific flight. My 14 year-old son (who
was given the rare co-pilot's seat by Mary) and I were laughing our butts
off!

> This sounds as not believable to me. Are you making something up?
> I'll have to say the note of the post doesn't quite make sense. Most
> would get at least a little angry, while you're obviously enjoying it.
> Oh, you're angry, but not telling us what it actually is. You know
> about this guy don't you?

????

What's to get angry about? I was fat, dumb and happy up at 7500 feet,
cruising home after a $100 hamburger, monitoring 122.8 for no apparent
reason. If this twit wanted to sit on his mike all day long, it didn't
bother me a bit.

I'm not sure what you're implying, Mike -- do you think I'm making this
story up?

Tell you what. Call us Tuesday morning, toll free, at 1-888-9ALEXIS, and
ask for Mary. She'll verify the story, if you'd like.

Some stories are just too bizarre to be fiction.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Fisher]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> Tell you what. Call us Tuesday morning, toll free, at 1-888-9ALEXIS, and
> ask for Mary. She'll verify the story, if you'd like.

Mike was obviously the stuck-mike guy you wrote about, Jay. I'd be a little
sensitive about it, too.

--
Jim Fisher

[Robert Briggs]

Icebound wrote:
> Robert Briggs wrote:
>
> > Let's see, you know that the guy is transmitting on one frequency,
> > but what about his second box?
> >
> > If he's using it to monitor another frequency then, with a spot of
> > educated trial-and-error, you may be able to get through to him.
>
> Does the side-tone of the transmitter not take over his intercom?

Possibly; but it's not as fundamental a problem as trying to use one
radio both ways simultaneously.

[dave]

My klx135 has the "T" for transmit. It stops transmitting after 35
seconds and displays "stuck mic". I think the led on my intercomm also
turns red when tranmitting - I'll have to check that out.

Dave
68 7eca


Bill Denton wrote:

> I wonder why no aircraft manufacturers or mod manufacturers have come up
> with a nice, big, XMIT light mounted dead center on the panel.
>
> It should be very cheap to do on a new aircraft, inexpensive when done in
> connection with other radio installs, and not worth it as a stand-alone mod.
>
> And it would also provide a helpful visual cue for the folks who can't seem
> to manage to hit the PTT until they are halfway through their message!
>
>
>
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:jPFcd.410304$Fg5.66323@attbi_s53...
>
>>Coming back from Pella (near Des Moines) today we over-flew a poor sap who
>>was apparently sitting on his microphone. Worse, he had the incredible
>>misfortune of being the last person in a flight of three to land, and
>
> while
>
>>they landed ahead of him he gave a long, critical, and quite profane
>
> running
>
>>review of his "friend's" landings to his co-pilot -- and also,
>
> unknowingly,
>
>>live on the air, to every pilot in the Midwest.
>>
>>After he landed, we could hear the guy shut down, and someone yelling at
>>him. Then the mike went dead. It was quite hilarious.
>>
>>Aside from the obvious lessons to be learned from this (like, always be
>>careful what you say, in case you're transmitting!), we just could NOT
>>believe the number of pilots who tried to call the guy with the stuck
>
> mike!
>
>>For some strange reason, half a dozen folks, both on the ground and in the
>>air, somehow believed that a radio that is transmitting could also receive
>>at the same time, so they were broadcasting stupid stuff like "AIRCRAFT
>
> WITH
>
>>THE STUCK MIKE, PLEASE CHECK YOUR MICROPHONE..."
>>
>>Obviously (or so I thought) anyone with a basic knowledge of how a 2-way
>>radio works knows that the receiver is necessarily cut off during
>>transmissions -- but apparently there are a fair number of people who
>
> don't
>
>>have a firm grasp on this concept.
>>
>>This isn't the first time I've heard this type of thing. Back in the 70s,
>>during the CB radio craze, it was pretty common, and I've heard this
>
> happen
>
>>once or twice while flying -- but it never fails to amaze me.
>>--
>>Jay Honeck
>>Iowa City, IA
>>Pathfinder N56993
>>www.AlexisParkInn.com
>>"Your Aviation Destination"
>>
>>
>
>
>

[Mike Rhodes]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:02:34 -0500, "Jim Fisher"
> wrote:

>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>> Tell you what. Call us Tuesday morning, toll free, at 1-888-9ALEXIS, and
>> ask for Mary. She'll verify the story, if you'd like.
>
>Mike was obviously the stuck-mike guy you wrote about, Jay. I'd be a little
>sensitive about it, too.

For the record, I wasn't in an airplane that day. And, as yet, no one
has ever notified me that my mike was stuck in transmission. But I'm
waiting...

I do feel 'stuck', though. So I let my personal circumstances affect
my post. Somehow I got the same feeling with Jay's. But apologies if
I'm off-base.

--Mike

[hlongworth]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<jPFcd.410304$Fg5.66323@attbi_s53>...
> Obviously (or so I thought) anyone with a basic knowledge of how a 2-way
> radio works knows that the receiver is necessarily cut off during
> transmissions -- but apparently there are a fair number of people who don't
> have a firm grasp on this concept.
Jay,
At one time, one of the ground wires in a PTT switch broke and
appeared to allow both transmission and reception at the same time.
Rick was at the left seat. In realizing that his PTT switch was not
working he asked me to communicate with ATC. While taxiing, we kept
testing the intercom system and headsets : "Testing 1,2,3. Do you hear
me OK? Does this headset work better. Hmm, what's going on here?
Should we go on or should we abort this flight? etc". Typically, I
kept my hands/feet clear of the controls when not being the PIC, but
since I had to operate the PTT switch, my hands were resting on the
yoke. At one point, Rick yelled at me: "Keep your hands off the yoke,
you made me nervous!". Few minutes later, the tower called us:
"N30703, are you having some radio problems? We could hear all kinds
of conversation in your cockpit"!!!!!

[John Galban]

dave > wrote in message >...
> My klx135 has the "T" for transmit. It stops transmitting after 35
> seconds and displays "stuck mic". I think the led on my intercomm also
> turns red when tranmitting - I'll have to check that out.
>

Most King radios made in the last 20 yrs. have the xmitter cutoff
and some sort of indicator on the panel (can't remember if the NARCOs
do). In addition to that most properly wired radios will provide a
sidetone in the headset. The sidetone alone should be enough to clue
you in.

Whenever I've had a stuck mike, the first thing I noticed was that
the sidetone was still there. This was followed by a glance at the
radio to see that the "TX" indicator was still on in the display. If
you're too distracted to notice those things, I don't think another
light on the panel will help.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Newps]

Icebound wrote:

>
>
> Does the side-tone of the transmitter not take over his intercom?

I suppose every audio panel is different but if I am monitoring a second
radio on my KMA-24 I will hear any transmissions on that radio even
though I am transmitting on my selected radio.

[Jay Honeck]

> Few minutes later, the tower called us:
> "N30703, are you having some radio problems? We could hear all kinds
> of conversation in your cockpit"!!!!!

Yeah, that's one good thing about the situation I heard -- we were on
Unicom, not ATC!

THAT would've been more than just embarrassing for the poor guy...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"