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[Bob Noel]

In article >,
wrote:

> "Show me a shred of evidence" he says, "that Hitler was a Christian".
>
> So I shows him several shreds, I does.

Wrong. You showed him quotes of Hilter claiming he was a Christian.
Claiming to be something and actually being something are two
entirely different things.

--
Bob Noel

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
wrote:

> >Now, come on. I think it's safe to say that people of ALL religions and
> >beliefs would classify this lady as mentally ill.
> >
> >Although some might call it "possessed"?
>
> Funny.
>
> I would say that all people of all religions are mentally ill.

even Uniterian Universalists?

>
> After all, isn't that what we call people who go around talking to
> people they can't see or touch?

I haven't seen or touched Jay, but I believe he exists. Am I mentally
ill?

--
Bob Noel

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
wrote:

> >Wrong. You showed him quotes of Hilter claiming he was a Christian.
> >Claiming to be something and actually being something are two
> >entirely different things.
>
> Ah, another believer who refuses to consider any evidence which
> contradicts his preconceived notions, no doubt.

wow - you really leap ....

>
> Claiming that you believe in something is generally accepted to be
> evidence that you indeed believe in that something.

perhaps. But that wasn't what the request was about.

> Whether that eventually proves to be true is another question.

Think about what you just wrote.

> But it IS evidence, whether you like the evidence or not.

It's not a question of liking the evidence.

--
Bob Noel

[jls]

Thanks for all the laughs, especially from a wit -- CFII. And of course I
enjoyed the unintended humor from Matt and Bob.

If you want to have some fun read the de-conversion stories at
www.positiveatheism.org, which is also a great site for the freethinker.

Happy Thanksgiving. I think I'll give thanks to Eros and Bacchus this
year.
*****************


A man came up to me on the street and said I used to be messed up out of my
mind on drugs but now I'm messed up out of my mind on Jeeesus Chriiist.
George Carlin

[Matt Whiting]

Bob Noel wrote:

> In article >,
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Show me a shred of evidence" he says, "that Hitler was a Christian".
>>
>>So I shows him several shreds, I does.
>
>
> Wrong. You showed him quotes of Hilter claiming he was a Christian.
> Claiming to be something and actually being something are two
> entirely different things.
>

Bob, right you are, but he or she will never understand this. I've
given up trying to reason with an anonymous poster who can't even tell
the difference between a claim and a fact.

Matt

[jls]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> Bob Noel wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"Show me a shred of evidence" he says, "that Hitler was a Christian".
> >>
> >>So I shows him several shreds, I does.
> >
> >
> > Wrong. You showed him quotes of Hilter claiming he was a Christian.
> > Claiming to be something and actually being something are two
> > entirely different things.
> >
>
> Bob, right you are, but he or she will never understand this. I've
> given up trying to reason with an anonymous poster who can't even tell
> the difference between a claim and a fact.
>
> Matt
>
Both of you make claims and no facts, like your boogie man in the sky and
your denial of A. Hitler's catholicism. One of you even cobbled up a
ridiculous analogy between the absent invisible god and the absent invisible
Jay. There are credible reports that Jay exists. I can fly to Iowa and
find him, he exists, but not your god. Your god is not in any of the
states, not even in the red ones. Jay writes here; your god doesn't. Jay
has an inn; your god has zip. Go fly on the angel's sides of the clouds.
Go play with your angels. And finally Adolf was a christian; get used to
it.

Larry --- Giving thanks to Bacchus, the God of Mirth, today for characters
like you
:)

[jls]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> Bob Noel wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"Show me a shred of evidence" he says, "that Hitler was a Christian".
> >>
> >>So I shows him several shreds, I does.
> >
> >
> > Wrong. You showed him quotes of Hilter claiming he was a Christian.
> > Claiming to be something and actually being something are two
> > entirely different things.
> >
>
> Bob, right you are, but he or she will never understand this. I've
> given up trying to reason with an anonymous poster

It might be best to be anonymous with so many superstitious, hateful violent
xian kooks out there. True story in Alabama: a Jewish family requested
that their children opt out of school prayers and devotions. The children
were then abused by teachers and other children alike. Suffering from
vandalism and violence the family were terrorized by the good golden rule
xians of the community and constantly under the threat of bodily harm.
They finally had to leave town and move away. Series of articles in George
Magazine several years ago. If you want a reference, I'll find it for you.

[jls]

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:00:01 -0500, Matt Whiting
> > wrote:
>
> >Bob Noel wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Show me a shred of evidence" he says, "that Hitler was a Christian".
> >>>
> >>>So I shows him several shreds, I does.
> >>
> >>
> >> Wrong. You showed him quotes of Hilter claiming he was a Christian.
> >> Claiming to be something and actually being something are two
> >> entirely different things.
> >>
> >
> >Bob, right you are, but he or she will never understand this. I've
> >given up trying to reason with an anonymous poster who can't even tell
> >the difference between a claim and a fact.
> >
> >Matt
>
>
> Would you be referring to the kind of difference between the fact that
> the universe is hundreds of billions of years old, and the claim of
> born-agains that it is only 12,000 years old, and started with two
> nudists in a garden conversing with a talking snake?
>
> Those kinds of claims and factrs?
>
> Or some other kind of claims and facts?
>
The snake was quite a beautiful creature, but then to punish it for serving
as a tool of Satan, God decreed it would thenceforth crawl on its belly and
that man would bruise its head and it would bruise man's heel. That sure
does explain it all for me. It would be blasphemous to consider otherwise,
like the fossil record.

[mike regish]

I hate to disagree with you because you are obviously the most knowledgeable
person involved in this conversation and I have learned a great deal from
your posts and gotten muh more food for thought, but latest scientific
estimates put the universe at something like 12 to 15 billion years old.

Just a minor correction, but your point is just as valid regardless. I've
always gotten a kick out of that whole lump of clay and a rib thing myself.
If it wasn't so scary, it would actually be funny what some otherwise
intelligent people believe.

mike regish

> wrote in message
...
>
>
> Would you be referring to the kind of difference between the fact that
> the universe is hundreds of billions of years old, and the claim of
> born-agains that it is only 12,000 years old, and started with two
> nudists in a garden conversing with a talking snake?
>
> Those kinds of claims and factrs?
>
> Or some other kind of claims and facts?
>
>

[mike regish]

ROTFLMAO.
What year is this?
I really hope you don't hold any position involving any kind of authority or
importance.

mike regish

" jls" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
> The snake was quite a beautiful creature, but then to punish it for
> serving
> as a tool of Satan, God decreed it would thenceforth crawl on its belly
> and
> that man would bruise its head and it would bruise man's heel. That sure
> does explain it all for me. It would be blasphemous to consider
> otherwise,
> like the fossil record.
>
>

[Matt Whiting]

mike regish wrote:

> I hate to disagree with you because you are obviously the most knowledgeable
> person involved in this conversation and I have learned a great deal from
> your posts and gotten muh more food for thought, but latest scientific
> estimates put the universe at something like 12 to 15 billion years old.
>
> Just a minor correction, but your point is just as valid regardless. I've
> always gotten a kick out of that whole lump of clay and a rib thing myself.
> If it wasn't so scary, it would actually be funny what some otherwise
> intelligent people believe.

I agree. It is almost as funny as believing that the universe started
from a big bang (where did the stuff for the big bang come from?) and
the intelligent beings evolved from random processes. That is really
funny, but a fair number of otherwise intelligent people believe it.

Matt

[mike regish]

Well, most physicists agree that there is no such thing as "before" the big
bang since time can't exist without space. But while they are able to say "I
don't know...yet." about what the singularity was or how it was, you have
all the answers, don't you. If you need simple explanations to wrap your
simple mind around, good for you. I'm glad you can admit your intellectual
limitations. Some people prefer evidence over faith. It's a lot harder to
do, but to some it's worth it.

As far as people believing in evolution and the big bang, believe it or not,
there is abundant evidence for both. But then, I keep forgetting that
evidence and facts just keep muddling up your simple mind. Sorry. I won't
try to confuse you with knowledge again.

You just keep that enlightened smile on your face and everything will be
alright. OK Matt? Go to sleep now. You must be very tired after such a busy
day.

mike

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> mike regish wrote:
>
>> I hate to disagree with you because you are obviously the most
>> knowledgeable person involved in this conversation and I have learned a
>> great deal from your posts and gotten muh more food for thought, but
>> latest scientific estimates put the universe at something like 12 to 15
>> billion years old.
>>
>> Just a minor correction, but your point is just as valid regardless. I've
>> always gotten a kick out of that whole lump of clay and a rib thing
>> myself. If it wasn't so scary, it would actually be funny what some
>> otherwise intelligent people believe.
>
> I agree. It is almost as funny as believing that the universe started
> from a big bang (where did the stuff for the big bang come from?) and the
> intelligent beings evolved from random processes. That is really funny,
> but a fair number of otherwise intelligent people believe it.
>
> Matt
>

[Matt Whiting]

mike regish wrote:
> Well, most physicists agree that there is no such thing as "before" the big
> bang since time can't exist without space. But while they are able to say "I
> don't know...yet." about what the singularity was or how it was, you have
> all the answers, don't you. If you need simple explanations to wrap your
> simple mind around, good for you. I'm glad you can admit your intellectual
> limitations. Some people prefer evidence over faith. It's a lot harder to
> do, but to some it's worth it.

Singularity. A nice sophisticated way to say "we don't know." There
are a lot of things I don't know and that the Bible doesn't explain, but
there is a lot it does explain as well.


> As far as people believing in evolution and the big bang, believe it or not,
> there is abundant evidence for both. But then, I keep forgetting that
> evidence and facts just keep muddling up your simple mind. Sorry. I won't
> try to confuse you with knowledge again.

And there is a lot of evidence, archeological and otherwise, that
supports the accounts in the Bible ... and more is discovered every day.


> You just keep that enlightened smile on your face and everything will be
> alright. OK Matt? Go to sleep now. You must be very tired after such a busy
> day.

Actually, discussion with you aren't taxing at all...


Matt

[mike regish]

Ah...sorry. Didn't notice the from line and this is just the kind of thing
that the bible beaters actually spout.

mike regish

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:19:05 GMT, "mike regish" >
> wrote:
>
>>ROTFLMAO.
>>What year is this?
>>I really hope you don't hold any position involving any kind of authority
>>or
>>importance.
>>
>>mike regish
>>
>>" jls" > wrote in message
.. .
>>>>
>>> The snake was quite a beautiful creature, but then to punish it for
>>> serving
>>> as a tool of Satan, God decreed it would thenceforth crawl on its belly
>>> and
>>> that man would bruise its head and it would bruise man's heel. That
>>> sure
>>> does explain it all for me. It would be blasphemous to consider
>>> otherwise,
>>> like the fossil record.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> It's sarcasm, m'lad

[Dick]

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:29:03 -0500, Matt Whiting
> > wrote:
>
>>And there is a lot of evidence, archeological and otherwise, that
>>supports the accounts in the Bible ... and more is discovered every day.
>>
>
>
> Could you provide a few examples of this?
>

There was a movie about it - you might remember "Indiana Jones?" Sheesh,
you must live in a closet.

(sarcasm)

This is a losing conversation - these bible guys will not give in and
nothing you can say will change that.

I just shook my head when a friend at work whom rejoiced at most of the Penn
and Teller "Bull****" shows, was appalled and upset when they took on the
bible. I tried to point out that believeing in aliens was about equivalent
to believeing in walking on water and turning water into wine. Neither have
any proof and you can blast the other folks when your own unfounded beliefs
are as odd.



>

[Dick]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> mike regish wrote:
>
>> "Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Sure. What did you indoctrinate your kids into?
>>
>>
>> Nothing. They can make their own choices whenever they wish. I give them
>> all the answers I can and find out the ones I can't. They are very
>> curious kids and I have always been a pretty curious and scientifically
>> oriented person. And I know how to say "I don't know." It has been a
>> learning experience for all of us. And their teachers and all their
>> friends mothers have always commented on how well behaved they are. I
>> guess my athiestic morals can't be all that bad.
>
> So you indoctrinate them into the religion of "free thinking", philosophy,
> etc. I was just curious.

That is not a religion. Find a dictionary.

>
>
>>>>mike regish
>>>>(and that IS my real name)
>>>>
>>>>BTW, I don't really give a rats ass what grade you give me.
>>>
>>>Really? Then why does it bother you so much?
>>
>>
>> I'm curious as to what makes you think it bothers me.
>
> Because you bothered to reply to it.
>
>
>> I'll give you a B+ on
>>
>>>grammar, but you need to add an apostrophe to rat's.
>>
>>
>> The mark of the desperately wrong. Pointing out typos.
>
> The mark of the arrogantly wrong.
>
>
> Matt
>

[Joe Herman]

One question...

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH FLYING????

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:58:34 -0500, "Dick" > wrote:
>
>>This is a losing conversation - these bible guys will not give in and
>>nothing you can say will change that.
>
>
> Oh, I have no illusions.
>
> One cannot overcome nonevidentiary, nonrational beliefs with evidence
> and reason.
>
>
>
>

[Roger]

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:59:36 GMT, "Joe Herman"
> wrote:

>
>One question...
>
>WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH FLYING????
>

They belive in faith. I believe in placing my faith in a good aviation
mechanic?

Roger

> wrote in message
...
>> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:58:34 -0500, "Dick" > wrote:
>>
>>>This is a losing conversation - these bible guys will not give in and
>>>nothing you can say will change that.
>>
>>
>> Oh, I have no illusions.
>>
>> One cannot overcome nonevidentiary, nonrational beliefs with evidence
>> and reason.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Roger

[Stan Prevost]

"Joe Herman" > wrote in message
...
>
> One question...
>
> WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH FLYING????
>

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .

Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew -
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
________________^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Jay Honeck]

> Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
> And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
> Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
> Of sun-split clouds, - and done a hundred things
> You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
> High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
> I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
> My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .
>
> Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
> I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
> Where never lark, or ever eagle flew -
> And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
> The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
> Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

It's hard to imagine, but this poem is even better when Dwayne O'Brien sings
it.

See "Song Pilot" at http://www.flightsongrecords.com/ or buy it at the inn.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Stan Prevost wrote:
> "Joe Herman" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>One question...
>>
>>WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH FLYING????
>>
>
>
> Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
> And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
> Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
> Of sun-split clouds, - and done a hundred things
> You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
> High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
> I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
> My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .
>
> Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
> I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
> Where never lark, or ever eagle flew -
> And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
> The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
> Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
> ________________^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Stan, this is one of those "I wish I'd have thought of that" moments.
Excellent comeback.

Matt