Commercial v cargo planes

[Ramapriya]

Another simplistic Q... is there any difference piloting them?

Ramapriya

[Judah]

Sure. When piloting a cargo plane, it is not necessary to make
announcements like, "Good morning ladies and gentlemen, this is your
Captain speaking. Please fasten your seatbelts and pay attention to the
flight attendants as they review the Emergency Procedures." You may still,
however, make such announcements if you so desire.

;)


(Ramapriya) wrote in
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> Another simplistic Q... is there any difference piloting them?
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[Robert M. Gary]

Are you talking about airlines vs cargo planes? The planes themselves
are often the same plane (747's, 757s etc). I guess you don't need to
tell the cargo to put their trays in the full and upright position.
However, the cargo planes often have some interesting cargo (like live
horses or other animials that may be interesting in having their tray
table in the full and upright position).

-Robert


(Ramapriya) wrote in message >...
> Another simplistic Q... is there any difference piloting them?
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[Bob Moore]

(Ramapriya) wrote

> Another simplistic Q... is there any difference piloting them?


I think that you mean "passenger" vs "cargo" aircraft.
They are both commercial aircraft.

The answer...no difference.

During my years at Pan American World Airways, we operated the
"convertable" version of the Boeing 727. Put seats in and fly
passengers during the day, take the seats out and fly cargo
all night.

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)

[David Herman]

Yeah, on "cargo" planes, there are no troublesome passengers around to fight
back against the hijackers up front who took over.

I can't help but wonder just a little bit about what's behind all these
questions...

FWIW, the 9/11 trick will only work once, and that one time is behind us.
Nobody's gonna let that one be repeated.

Not that this's what's behind these questions, I'm sure.

"Ramapriya" > wrote in message
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> Another simplistic Q... is there any difference piloting them?
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[Gerald Sylvester]

> Yeah, on "cargo" planes, there are no troublesome passengers around to fight
> back against the hijackers up front who took over.

What is the latest status as to who gets to fly on the cargo aircraft
and what the security consists of? I know they wanted to change it but
haven''t heard anything since.

> FWIW, the 9/11 trick will only work once, and that one time is behind us.
> Nobody's gonna let that one be repeated.

you are 100% incorrect as it has happened twice now. Read
"Hijacked: The True Story of the Heroes of Flight 705"
by Dave Hirschman. This is exactly what this lunatic failed at and
what the 9/11 hijackers "succeeded" at. This fedex incident is scary
and should have been a wake up call sadly enough.

Gerald Sylvester

[Morgans]

"David Herman" > wrote in message
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> Yeah, on "cargo" planes, there are no troublesome passengers around to
fight
> back against the hijackers up front who took over.
>
> I can't help but wonder just a little bit about what's behind all these
> questions...
>
> FWIW, the 9/11 trick will only work once, and that one time is behind us.
> Nobody's gonna let that one be repeated.
>
> Not that this's what's behind these questions, I'm sure.

I take that the poster is truely interested in flight. Given a higher
standard, as in the US, he would be flying right now, I'll bet, and
interested in learning how to land, too. ;-)

I would think that cargo flights would be free to pull more G's, turn more
steeply, and not worry so much about bumps, so much. True? Just conjecture
on my part.
--
Jim in NC



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[BTIZ]

Cargo does not complain about the rough ride or the bounced landing

"Ramapriya" > wrote in message
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> Another simplistic Q... is there any difference piloting them?
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> Ramapriya
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[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Ramapriya" > wrote in message
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> Another simplistic Q... is there any difference piloting them?
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Cargo planes tend to be commercial planes.

[Ramapriya]

"David Herman" > wrote in message news:<1100058649.23143@yasure>...
> Yeah, on "cargo" planes, there are no troublesome passengers around to fight
> back against the hijackers up front who took over.
>
> I can't help but wonder just a little bit about what's behind all these
> questions...
>
> FWIW, the 9/11 trick will only work once, and that one time is behind us.
> Nobody's gonna let that one be repeated.

I've only thought of myself as someone who finds flying totally
captivating, but one without the financial resources to actually learn
piloting. To even think the way you are makes me more than a bit down
:(

Anyway, why I asked this Q was because I was wondering what the
different weight distribution patterns would do to the aircraft's
piloting.

Interestingly, when I'd once asked this pilot colleague of mine on how
pilots regulate luggage weight distributions pre-flight, he had said
he didn't ever bother with that. "That's the work of the ground
personnel, and I'm never bothered about it as a pilot," he said. It
struck me as fascinating because until then, I was somehow of the
thought that weight distribution patterns told on how an aircraft
would handle (not sure 'handle' is the appropriate term).

I work here in Dubai, but I'm not an Arab. And most definitely not one
with malicious intent, David :(

Ramapriya

[Markus Voget]

Gerald Sylvester > wrote:

> "Hijacked: The True Story of the Heroes of Flight 705"

One of the pilots on that flight was interviewed by AvWeb. You can read his
story at http://www.avweb.com/news/profiles/182918-1.html.

Greetings,
Markus

[Jose]

> Anyway, why I asked this Q was because I was wondering what the
> different weight distribution patterns would do to the aircraft's
> piloting.

Passengers are strapped to seats for takeoff and landing. On the average this distributes the weight well enough (although I'm sure that if a plane got loaded with all sumo wrestlers in the back and all children in the front, the flight attendant
would notify the pilot who would then make a decision as to whether or not the W&B needed to be calculated more precisely)

Cargo does not have this automatic distribution mechanism, and I'd assume that the containers are distributed appropriately in the hold, though I don't know if it would be by weighing or estimation.

Yes, weight and balance issues are important to big planes too.

Jose
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[Chris W]

Judah wrote:

>Sure. When piloting a cargo plane, it is not necessary to make
>announcements like, "Good morning ladies and gentlemen, this is your
>Captain speaking. Please fasten your seatbelts and pay attention to the
>flight attendants as they review the Emergency Procedures." You may still,
>however, make such announcements if you so desire.
>
>

"Good evening Crates and boxes, this is you captain speaking. Please
keep your tie downs secure and stay behind the cargo net at all times.
Except in the case of a crash landing, smoking is prohibited. In the
unlikely event of a water landing, please remain behind the cargo net
until the crew and I have exited the aircraft, we will be saving
ourselves, you and the plane are on your own. With any luck you may
even act as your own flotation device. In the unlikely event we loose
cabin pressure, don't worry, the crew and I have oxygen masks. Sit
back, enjoy the flight, and we'll have you off the plane and on a truck
headed for you final destination before you know it."

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[Jay Beckman]

"Chris W" > wrote in message
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> "Good evening Crates and boxes, this is you captain speaking. Please keep
> your tie downs secure and stay behind the cargo net at all times. Except
> in the case of a crash landing, smoking is prohibited. In the unlikely
> event of a water landing, please remain behind the cargo net until the
> crew and I have exited the aircraft, we will be saving ourselves, you and
> the plane are on your own. With any luck you may even act as your own
> flotation device. In the unlikely event we loose cabin pressure, don't
> worry, the crew and I have oxygen masks. Sit back, enjoy the flight, and
> we'll have you off the plane and on a truck headed for you final
> destination before you know it."
>
> --
> Chris W
> Not getting the gifts you want? The Wish Zone can help.
> http://thewishzone.com
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Nice...

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
PP-ASEL

[WRE]

Cargo never complains....45+ degrees of bank....steep climbs and
descents...heavy braking to make the highspeed...the cargo has never uttered
a word!



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[Blueskies]

"WRE" (remove nospam)> wrote in message ...
> Cargo never complains....45+ degrees of bank....steep climbs and descents...heavy braking to make the highspeed...the
> cargo has never uttered a word!
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> "Ramapriya" > wrote in message om...
>> Another simplistic Q... is there any difference piloting them?
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I think the cows may have ;-)