Color scheme info wanted.

[Kees Mies]

Hello all,

My plane needs a repaint.
The problem is that it is a bit of a wimpy plane to look at so I
tought to give it a more manly look.
I think NATO grey like F-15s with black lettering would be nice.
But, as a friend pointed out, visibility(thus safety) will not
improve.
Hmmm, true. But I do not like the idea about painting the wing tips
and top of the rudder bright orange.

Now I remember that WW1 battle ships had a color scheme with
white-blue-black surfaces on a gray background(a bit like a Mondriaan
painting) designed to make it difficult to estimate distance and
shape.

Does somebody know what this scheme is called or where I can find
pictures on the net?

Thanks,
Kees.

[Scott Skylane]

Kees Mies wrote:
/snip/
>
> Now I remember that WW1 battle ships had a color scheme with
> white-blue-black surfaces on a gray background(a bit like a Mondriaan
> painting) designed to make it difficult to estimate distance and
> shape.
>
> Does somebody know what this scheme is called or where I can find
> pictures on the net?
>
> Thanks,
> Kees.

It was called "Dazzle Camoflage". Google it.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

[Jim Fisher]

"Kees Mies" > wrote in message
> The problem is that it is a bit of a wimpy plane to look at so I
> tought to give it a more manly look.

Sorry, just can't do that with a high wing plane. It's kinda like the men's
gold medal gymnastic team: Even though you won a gold medal, you're still a
male gymnast.

> Does somebody know what this scheme is called or where I can find
> pictures on the net?


It's called "low wing."

--
Jim Fisher

[Dale]

In article >,
(Kees Mies) wrote:


> My plane needs a repaint.
> The problem is that it is a bit of a wimpy plane to look at so I
> tought to give it a more manly look.
> I think NATO grey like F-15s with black lettering would be nice.
> But, as a friend pointed out, visibility(thus safety) will not
> improve.
> Hmmm, true. But I do not like the idea about painting the wing tips
> and top of the rudder bright orange.
>
> Now I remember that WW1 battle ships had a color scheme with
> white-blue-black surfaces on a gray background(a bit like a Mondriaan
> painting) designed to make it difficult to estimate distance and
> shape.

I don't care how you paint your airplane, it's yours, do with it what
you want. I do however have a question. You don't want to paint it
gray because of the low visibility, but instead you're going to paint it
in dazzle which will makes it difficult to determine your attitude. <G>

I'd go for the gray, if they can't see you that can't hit you. <G>

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

[Steven Barnes]

"Dale" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (Kees Mies) wrote:
>
>
> > My plane needs a repaint.
> > The problem is that it is a bit of a wimpy plane to look at so I
> > tought to give it a more manly look.
> > I think NATO grey like F-15s with black lettering would be nice.
> > But, as a friend pointed out, visibility(thus safety) will not
> > improve.
> > Hmmm, true. But I do not like the idea about painting the wing tips
> > and top of the rudder bright orange.
> >
> > Now I remember that WW1 battle ships had a color scheme with
> > white-blue-black surfaces on a gray background(a bit like a Mondriaan
> > painting) designed to make it difficult to estimate distance and
> > shape.
>
> I don't care how you paint your airplane, it's yours, do with it what
> you want. I do however have a question. You don't want to paint it
> gray because of the low visibility, but instead you're going to paint it
> in dazzle which will makes it difficult to determine your attitude. <G>
>
> I'd go for the gray, if they can't see you that can't hit you. <G>
>
> --
> Dale L. Falk
>
> There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
> as simply messing around with airplanes.
>
> http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

Maybe I should paint a sports stadium on one side of my plane and a nuclear
plant on the other. Then, I can just present the proper side of the plane to
the F-16 as I scoot through the TFR.....

[Jay Beckman]

"Steven Barnes" > wrote in message
m...
>
> Maybe I should paint a sports stadium on one side of my plane and a
> nuclear
> plant on the other. Then, I can just present the proper side of the plane
> to
> the F-16 as I scoot through the TFR.....
>
>

I can't remember exactly what the paint scheme was called ("Haze" maybe...)
that was applied to some photo-recon P38s (F5s ?) in WWII.

IIRC, there were some claims that when the paint was applied just so... and
the atmospherics were just right... the plane was damn near invisible to the
naked eye. Even at relatively low levels. Something to to with how certain
wavelengths of light were absorbed vs reflected. The process was
problematic because no two batches of the paint could be created exactly to
specs and the way in which the plane itself was painted (paint thickness in
key places, etc...) also impacted how well it worked.

But, when it worked, it was akin to an optical "Philadelphia Experiment"

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
PP-ASEL
Still nowhere to go but up!

[Chuck]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:bjxkd.43129$SW3.4260@fed1read01...
> "Steven Barnes" > wrote in message
> m...
> >
> > Maybe I should paint a sports stadium on one side of my plane and a
> > nuclear
> > plant on the other. Then, I can just present the proper side of the
plane
> > to
> > the F-16 as I scoot through the TFR.....
> >
> >
>
> I can't remember exactly what the paint scheme was called ("Haze"
maybe...)
> that was applied to some photo-recon P38s (F5s ?) in WWII.
>
> IIRC, there were some claims that when the paint was applied just so...
and
> the atmospherics were just right... the plane was damn near invisible to
the
> naked eye. Even at relatively low levels. Something to to with how
certain
> wavelengths of light were absorbed vs reflected. The process was
> problematic because no two batches of the paint could be created exactly
to
> specs and the way in which the plane itself was painted (paint thickness
in
> key places, etc...) also impacted how well it worked.
>
> But, when it worked, it was akin to an optical "Philadelphia Experiment"


2 suggestions for a paint job...

1) Red, black and gold. Throw "Bud" on the top of the engine cowl and an 8
on each side.

2) Paint it yellow and put a bunch of flowers and peace signs on it.

:)


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[Jim Fisher]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
> But, when it worked, it was akin to an optical "Philadelphia Experiment"

Speaking of that, sometime around 1999 or 2000, there was an interview in
National Public Radio with some sort of senior scientist (a physicist, IIRC)
that worked in the Philadelphia Experiment. I listened to part of it while
on the way to the airport to catch a commercial flight one morning.

The interview was one of the most fascinating interviews I've ever heard but
I missed the latter part of it.

Your post reminded me to Google on it and search the www.NPR.org website all
to no avail.

Does anyone out there recall this interview and know where I may find a
transcript?

--
Jim Fisher

[Kees Mies]

Dale > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (Kees Mies) wrote:
>
>
> > My plane needs a repaint.
> > The problem is that it is a bit of a wimpy plane to look at so I
> > tought to give it a more manly look.
> > I think NATO grey like F-15s with black lettering would be nice.
> > But, as a friend pointed out, visibility(thus safety) will not
> > improve.
> > Hmmm, true. But I do not like the idea about painting the wing tips
> > and top of the rudder bright orange.
> >
> > Now I remember that WW1 battle ships had a color scheme with
> > white-blue-black surfaces on a gray background(a bit like a Mondriaan
> > painting) designed to make it difficult to estimate distance and
> > shape.
>
> I don't care how you paint your airplane, it's yours, do with it what
> you want. I do however have a question. You don't want to paint it
> gray because of the low visibility, but instead you're going to paint it
> in dazzle which will makes it difficult to determine your attitude. <G>
>
> I'd go for the gray, if they can't see you that can't hit you. <G>

I thought that, now I know it is called dazzle, was more conspicuous
than just grey because of the contrasting colors.
That is difficult to see what kind of plane it is or at what attitude
suits me well if I do something stupid.

-Kees

[Kees Mies]

"Jim Fisher" > wrote in message >...
> "Kees Mies" > wrote in message
> > The problem is that it is a bit of a wimpy plane to look at so I
> > tought to give it a more manly look.
>
> Sorry, just can't do that with a high wing plane. It's kinda like the men's
> gold medal gymnastic team: Even though you won a gold medal, you're still a
> male gymnast.
>
> > Does somebody know what this scheme is called or where I can find
> > pictures on the net?
>
>
> It's called "low wing."

My wimpy looking plane is low wing, a Morane Saulnier Rallye to be exact.
-Kees

[Kees Mies]

Scott Skylane > wrote in message >...
> Kees Mies wrote:
> /snip/
> >
> > Now I remember that WW1 battle ships had a color scheme with
> > white-blue-black surfaces on a gray background(a bit like a Mondriaan
> > painting) designed to make it difficult to estimate distance and
> > shape.
> >
> > Does somebody know what this scheme is called or where I can find
> > pictures on the net?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kees.
>
> It was called "Dazzle Camoflage". Google it.
>
> Happy Flying!
> Scott Skylane

Thanks,

I found some nice examples.
Some really hurt my eyes.
Now I have to do is take some pictures of my plane, take some kid's
color pencils away :-) and start to do art.
Will be fun.

-Kees.

[Jim Fisher]

"Kees Mies" > wrote in message

>> It's called "low wing."
>
> My wimpy looking plane is low wing, a Morane Saulnier Rallye to be exact.
> -Kees

Well, then! I'd stick with what you got. Don't get much manlier than that.

--
Jim Fisher

[Morgans]

"Kees Mies" > wrote

>
> My wimpy looking plane is low wing, a Morane Saulnier Rallye to be exact.
> -Kees

Are there great differences, depending on year, or something? I searched,
and found a rather average looking plane with an IO-540, and I found a
unusual looking plane, radial engine, and very, very long nose and tail.
What is the one you have?
--
Jim in NC


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[Kees Mies]

"Jim Fisher" > wrote in message >...
> "Kees Mies" > wrote in message
>
> >> It's called "low wing."
> >
> > My wimpy looking plane is low wing, a Morane Saulnier Rallye to be exact.
> > -Kees
>
> Well, then! I'd stick with what you got. Don't get much manlier than that.

Ok, I'm going to cancel the order for that Me262 right now.