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gatt

November 19th 04, 04:41 PM

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message

> I was at a cocktail party / family reunion (not my family!) where the
> old guy reminisced about the hostess's uncle who knocked a brick off
> the chimney of the family house, buzzing it with a P-51 in 1945 or
> thereabouts.

Hey, I've got a chimney I'm not using...send him this way, wouldja? :>

My grandfather's aircrew received a brand new B-17 on their way to the ETO
(via Greenland...it was taken from them in Scotland and became Outhouse
Mouse) and buzzed the pilot or copilot's farm. The propwash blew chickens
helter skelter and knocked over the grain silo.

-c

Schmoe

November 19th 04, 05:00 PM

Ramapriya wrote:
> What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..

That's when I cut my hair real short. You ask a lot of questions, some
suspiciously troll-like. Like this one.

G.R. Patterson III

November 19th 04, 05:27 PM

Ramapriya wrote:
>
> What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..

Flying very low at relatively high speed. For a typical "buzz job", you would
dive at the object you wanted to buzz, level off a few feet above the highest
point there, fly over it, and climb rapidly. It's a dangerous maneuver due to
the risk of getting too low and hitting something and the risk that you might
get distracted during the climb out, let the speed bleed off too far, and stall.
Only two types of pilots do buzz jobs; 1) professionals who are practicing or
getting paid to do low level aerobatics, and 2) fools.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

Dean Wilkinson

November 19th 04, 05:49 PM

It's the manuever that male pilots apply to their female companions by
buzzing to provide good feelings...

"Ramapriya" > wrote in message
om...
> What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..
>
> Ramapriya
>

Bob Gardner

November 19th 04, 06:07 PM

At the hearing to revoke the pilot's certificates, it would be referred to
as "unwarranted low flying."

Bob Gardner

"Ramapriya" > wrote in message
om...
> What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..
>
> Ramapriya
>

Andrew Gideon

November 19th 04, 08:02 PM

Ramapriya wrote:

> What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..

See:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1119sextoy-lawsuit-ON.html

- Andrew

Robert Briggs

November 19th 04, 08:14 PM

Todd Pattist wrote:
> Bob Gardner wrote:
>
> > At the hearing to revoke the pilot's certificates, it would
> > be referred to as "unwarranted low flying."
>
> Or a "violation of FAR 91.119 " :-)

Not in this Realm of England - but I'm sure our CAA can come up
with their own code number ...

PJ Hunt

November 19th 04, 11:13 PM

Mark,

I must say that of all your responses I usually agree with and/or find
educational, this is not one of them.

Perhaps I'm wrong and this was simply an attempt at humor.

PJ

============================================
Here's to the duck who swam a lake and never lost a feather,
May sometime another year, we all be back together.
JJW
============================================

"Mark Kolber" > wrote in message
...
> On 19 Nov 2004 02:17:41 -0800, (Ramapriya) wrote:
>
> >What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..
> >
>
> Buzzing is a maneuver where, in an effort to impress oneself or one's
> friends, an idiot pilot crashes into a house.
>
>
> Mark Kolber
> APA/Denver, Colorado
> www.midlifeflight.com
> ======================
> email? Remove ".no.spam"

Ramapriya

November 20th 04, 02:41 AM

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message >...
> Ramapriya wrote:
> >
> > What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..
>
> Flying very low at relatively high speed. For a typical "buzz job", you would
> dive at the object you wanted to buzz, level off a few feet above the highest
> point there, fly over it, and climb rapidly. It's a dangerous maneuver due to
> the risk of getting too low and hitting something and the risk that you might
> get distracted during the climb out, let the speed bleed off too far, and stall.
> Only two types of pilots do buzz jobs; 1) professionals who are practicing or
> getting paid to do low level aerobatics, and 2) fools.
>
> George Patterson
> If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
> been looking for it.

The genesis of this Q was the experience related by a member of the
crew of Steely Dan (my fav band, incidentally) about a charter plane
pilot buzzing with the band members inside. He recollects it being
thrilling and a wee unnerving too.

I did a Teoma search on the term before actually asking you guys, so I
wasn't trolling at all, like Schmoe suspected :)

George Patterson's answer comes very close to the description of the
actual experience itself, which sounded like it was a maneuver
involving a sudden nosedive with no prior thrust decrease and leveling
off mightily close to the ground and pulling back up again.

But this is quite different from what others have written, which is
more like what some overenthusiastic young Indian Air Force pilots
have been known to do close to female hostels in cities across India -
fly real low and shatter the peace :\

Ramapriya

Dudley Henriques

November 20th 04, 04:08 AM

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
> On 19 Nov 2004 02:17:41 -0800, (Ramapriya) wrote:
>
>>What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..
>
> I was at a cocktail party / family reunion (not my family!) where the
> old guy reminisced about the hostess's uncle who knocked a brick off
> the chimney of the family house, buzzing it with a P-51 in 1945 or
> thereabouts.
>
> *That's* buzzing!

NAH! Buzzing is taking a P51 up a country road at 8AM on a Sunday
morning at 60 inches and 3000RPM so low that the prop tips are almost
leaving a swath through the pine tree tops, then overflying a church and
cemetery at 50 feet; then pulling it off the deck into a climbing slow
roll, disappearing in a hurry before some sharp eyed character down
there had time to get the numbers.
Then after you've managed to scare the hell out of half of the
congregation at the Haywood Baptist Church in Haywood Virginia that
Sunday morning, Reader's Digest comes along and gets another 23 million
people in 17 languages, Braille, and large print, to sit on their butts
on their toilets all over the world (that's where everybody keeps
Reader's Digest I think) and read all about it without you getting
arrested.
Now THAT'S buzzing!!! :-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
for email; take out the trash

Peter Duniho

November 20th 04, 08:01 AM

"PJ Hunt" > wrote in message
...
> I must say that of all your responses I usually agree with and/or find
> educational, this is not one of them.

Why don't you agree with his response? Sure seemed on the mark to me.

> Perhaps I'm wrong and this was simply an attempt at humor.

There was certainly at least a touch of tongue-in-cheek to his response, but
the very truth of his response is what makes it humorous (as is usually the
case with jokes...a joke with absolutely no truth to it isn't funny at all).

Pete

PJ Hunt

November 20th 04, 09:43 AM

Hey Peter,

Although I don't condone it, I also don't agree that a properly performed
'buzz job' must end with a crash into a house, or even that it is
necessarily only performed by idiot pilots.

A few of the best pilots I've ever known have done plenty of these stunts
and more and have thousands more hours of both Mark and I combined, and they
are by no means idiots.

Just my own personal observations.

PJ

============================================
Here's to the duck who swam a lake and never lost a feather,
May sometime another year, we all be back together.
JJW
============================================

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "PJ Hunt" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I must say that of all your responses I usually agree with and/or find
> > educational, this is not one of them.
>
> Why don't you agree with his response? Sure seemed on the mark to me.
>
> > Perhaps I'm wrong and this was simply an attempt at humor.
>
> There was certainly at least a touch of tongue-in-cheek to his response,
but
> the very truth of his response is what makes it humorous (as is usually
the
> case with jokes...a joke with absolutely no truth to it isn't funny at
all).
>
> Pete
>
>

PJ Hunt

November 20th 04, 09:50 AM

"G.R. Patterson III" <grpphoto@> wrote

> Flying very low at relatively high speed.

So Super Cubs and the likes are exempt from 'buzzing' due to lack of high
speed. :)

> For a typical "buzz job", you would dive at the object you wanted to buzz,
> level off a few feet above the highest point there, fly over it, and climb
rapidly.

So if I'm just flying along level, with out diving, and fly over your head
by just a few feet, and continue on without climbing, that is not buzzing?

I would have thought it was. Just food for thought.

PJ

Cub Driver

November 20th 04, 11:36 AM

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:41:54 -0800, "gatt" >
wrote:

>> the chimney of the family house, buzzing it with a P-51 in 1945 or
>> thereabouts.
>
>Hey, I've got a chimney I'm not using...send him this way, wouldja? :>

I suspect the aircraft has long since bit the dust, as has the pilot.

(On second thoughts, I believe the plane was a P-47.)

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Dudley Henriques

November 20th 04, 03:22 PM

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:41:54 -0800, "gatt" >
> wrote:
>
>>> the chimney of the family house, buzzing it with a P-51 in 1945 or
>>> thereabouts.
>>
>>Hey, I've got a chimney I'm not using...send him this way, wouldja?
>>:>
>
> I suspect the aircraft has long since bit the dust, as has the pilot.
>
> (On second thoughts, I believe the plane was a P-47.)

If it was a Jug , it would have taken out more than a brick :-)

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
for email; take out the trash

ShawnD2112

November 20th 04, 03:56 PM

Treetops?!?! Come on, Dudley, you gotta get LOW to consider it buzzing!
:-)

Shawn

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "Cub Driver" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 19 Nov 2004 02:17:41 -0800, (Ramapriya) wrote:
>>
>>>What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..
>>
>> I was at a cocktail party / family reunion (not my family!) where the
>> old guy reminisced about the hostess's uncle who knocked a brick off
>> the chimney of the family house, buzzing it with a P-51 in 1945 or
>> thereabouts.
>>
>> *That's* buzzing!
>
> NAH! Buzzing is taking a P51 up a country road at 8AM on a Sunday morning
> at 60 inches and 3000RPM so low that the prop tips are almost leaving a
> swath through the pine tree tops, then overflying a church and cemetery at
> 50 feet; then pulling it off the deck into a climbing slow roll,
> disappearing in a hurry before some sharp eyed character down there had
> time to get the numbers.
> Then after you've managed to scare the hell out of half of the
> congregation at the Haywood Baptist Church in Haywood Virginia that Sunday
> morning, Reader's Digest comes along and gets another 23 million people in
> 17 languages, Braille, and large print, to sit on their butts on their
> toilets all over the world (that's where everybody keeps Reader's Digest I
> think) and read all about it without you getting arrested.
> Now THAT'S buzzing!!! :-)
> Dudley Henriques
> International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
> for email; take out the trash
>
>

Dudley Henriques

November 20th 04, 04:08 PM

"ShawnD2112" > wrote in message
...
> Treetops?!?! Come on, Dudley, you gotta get LOW to consider it
> buzzing! :-)
>
> Shawn

There was a building in the way!! :-))

One witness had the airplane BELOW the tree line coming up the road.
:-)))
D

Dudley Henriques

November 20th 04, 04:18 PM

You know Shawn, I guess I should qualify this a bit better as I didn't
make a career of breaking FAA regulations :-)))
.. This particular "buzz job" was a once in a lifetime shot. I had very
good reason to be there and to be doing it.
I was attending the funeral of a fighter pilot friend that I had missed
attending at that cemetery sixteen years earlier.......and for this
particular friend, I would do it again tomorrow :-)
D

"ShawnD2112" > wrote in message
...
> Treetops?!?! Come on, Dudley, you gotta get LOW to consider it
> buzzing! :-)
>
> Shawn
>
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>>
>> "Cub Driver" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 19 Nov 2004 02:17:41 -0800, (Ramapriya) wrote:
>>>
>>>>What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..
>>>
>>> I was at a cocktail party / family reunion (not my family!) where
>>> the
>>> old guy reminisced about the hostess's uncle who knocked a brick off
>>> the chimney of the family house, buzzing it with a P-51 in 1945 or
>>> thereabouts.
>>>
>>> *That's* buzzing!
>>
>> NAH! Buzzing is taking a P51 up a country road at 8AM on a Sunday
>> morning at 60 inches and 3000RPM so low that the prop tips are almost
>> leaving a swath through the pine tree tops, then overflying a church
>> and cemetery at 50 feet; then pulling it off the deck into a climbing
>> slow roll, disappearing in a hurry before some sharp eyed character
>> down there had time to get the numbers.
>> Then after you've managed to scare the hell out of half of the
>> congregation at the Haywood Baptist Church in Haywood Virginia that
>> Sunday morning, Reader's Digest comes along and gets another 23
>> million people in 17 languages, Braille, and large print, to sit on
>> their butts on their toilets all over the world (that's where
>> everybody keeps Reader's Digest I think) and read all about it
>> without you getting arrested.
>> Now THAT'S buzzing!!! :-)
>> Dudley Henriques
>> International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
>> for email; take out the trash
>>
>>
>
>

Peter Duniho

November 20th 04, 04:59 PM

"PJ Hunt" > wrote in message
...
> Although I don't condone it, I also don't agree that a properly performed
> 'buzz job' must end with a crash into a house, or even that it is
> necessarily only performed by idiot pilots.

I guess you and I have different definitions of what a "buzz job" is. In my
book, by definition, "buzz jobs" are performed only by idiot pilots. For
qualified pilots engaging in low, high-speed flight in a safe, well-planned
manner, I use other less-inflammatory terms.

Roger

November 20th 04, 05:13 PM

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:50:05 -0900, "PJ Hunt"
> wrote:

>"G.R. Patterson III" <grpphoto@> wrote
>
>> Flying very low at relatively high speed.
>
>So Super Cubs and the likes are exempt from 'buzzing' due to lack of high
>speed. :)
The key word is "relatively". <:-))

I guess that depends on how you look at it. You just have to get
lower, but watch out for the clothesline when flying between the
garage and house.

>
>> For a typical "buzz job", you would dive at the object you wanted to buzz,
>> level off a few feet above the highest point there, fly over it, and climb
>rapidly.

There is a reason they call the old "butch haircut" a buzz job.

>
>So if I'm just flying along level, with out diving, and fly over your head
>by just a few feet, and continue on without climbing, that is not buzzing?
>
>I would have thought it was. Just food for thought.

A couple Summers back, my wife and I were working out in the front
yard when we heard someone talking to us. No one in the yard. Looked
up and there was a Cub about 5 to 10 feet over the trees with the
power off. As he glided out of site behind the house we heard the
power come back up.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>PJ
>

ShawnD2112

November 20th 04, 05:57 PM

Yep. There're times and places, you know?

Shawn
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> You know Shawn, I guess I should qualify this a bit better as I didn't
> make a career of breaking FAA regulations :-)))
> . This particular "buzz job" was a once in a lifetime shot. I had very
> good reason to be there and to be doing it.
> I was attending the funeral of a fighter pilot friend that I had missed
> attending at that cemetery sixteen years earlier.......and for this
> particular friend, I would do it again tomorrow :-)
> D
>
> "ShawnD2112" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Treetops?!?! Come on, Dudley, you gotta get LOW to consider it buzzing!
>> :-)
>>
>> Shawn
>>
>>
>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> nk.net...
>>>
>>> "Cub Driver" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 19 Nov 2004 02:17:41 -0800, (Ramapriya) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..
>>>>
>>>> I was at a cocktail party / family reunion (not my family!) where the
>>>> old guy reminisced about the hostess's uncle who knocked a brick off
>>>> the chimney of the family house, buzzing it with a P-51 in 1945 or
>>>> thereabouts.
>>>>
>>>> *That's* buzzing!
>>>
>>> NAH! Buzzing is taking a P51 up a country road at 8AM on a Sunday
>>> morning at 60 inches and 3000RPM so low that the prop tips are almost
>>> leaving a swath through the pine tree tops, then overflying a church and
>>> cemetery at 50 feet; then pulling it off the deck into a climbing slow
>>> roll, disappearing in a hurry before some sharp eyed character down
>>> there had time to get the numbers.
>>> Then after you've managed to scare the hell out of half of the
>>> congregation at the Haywood Baptist Church in Haywood Virginia that
>>> Sunday morning, Reader's Digest comes along and gets another 23 million
>>> people in 17 languages, Braille, and large print, to sit on their butts
>>> on their toilets all over the world (that's where everybody keeps
>>> Reader's Digest I think) and read all about it without you getting
>>> arrested.
>>> Now THAT'S buzzing!!! :-)
>>> Dudley Henriques
>>> International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
>>> for email; take out the trash
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Dudley Henriques

November 20th 04, 06:02 PM

"PJ Hunt" > wrote in message
...
> Hey Peter,
>
> Although I don't condone it, I also don't agree that a properly
> performed
> 'buzz job' must end with a crash into a house, or even that it is
> necessarily only performed by idiot pilots.
>
> A few of the best pilots I've ever known have done plenty of these
> stunts
> and more and have thousands more hours of both Mark and I combined,
> and they
> are by no means idiots.
>
> Just my own personal observations.
>
> PJ

Well...I'll tell ya;

I personally own what can arguably be considered the most widely
publicized "buzz job" in aviation history, so naturally I have some
comment on this issue. :-)
My little departure from the straight and narrow was a long time ago. I
felt at the time it was justified because it involved deep personal
reasons for doing it. I was wrong. It wasn't justified. I should note
here as well that this was a unique event involving extremely personal
factors. I didn't make it a habit of this kind of flying.
But looking back today on this single event, I would have to say that
all things being equal, finding myself in the same circumstances again,
and at the same time in my life that this event occurred, I would do it
again because of the unique events involved; but notice I said "at that
time in my life".
Today, I wouldn't do it. Although the circumstances led me to do this at
that time, I wouldn't do it today, nor would I encourage anyone else to
engage in unauthorized low flying, no matter what the reason.
I did it.....I'm glad I did it for the reasons I had for doing it. (Get
Reader's Digest April 1985 "A Little Help From A Friend" by Dudley
Henriques for the reasons I had for doing it) but all things
considered, it wasn't a smart move.
It's ironic that after this event, I went on to become fairly well known
as a demonstration pilot flying "authorized" low altitude aerobatics and
have been deeply involved in airshow flight safety issues all through my
professional tenure in aviation.
Buzzing can kill you, make no mistake about it. There is no reason,
personal or other wise that justifies doing it.
If there was one positive thing I took away from my little "buzz job",
it was using it later on as a negative example for the pilots I lectured
on flight safety who came after me :-)
Just for what it's worth......
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
for email; take out the trash

Scott Skylane

November 20th 04, 08:10 PM

Dudley Henriques wrote:

>
> I personally own what can arguably be considered the most widely
> publicized "buzz job" in aviation history, so naturally I have some
> comment on this issue. :-)
/much snipped/
> Just for what it's worth......
> Dudley Henriques
> International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

Good grief, Dudley! What did you have to pay your personal team of
lawyers to write that disclaimer???

Dudley Henriques

November 20th 04, 08:28 PM

"Scott Skylane" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I personally own what can arguably be considered the most widely
>> publicized "buzz job" in aviation history, so naturally I have some
>> comment on this issue. :-)
> /much snipped/
>> Just for what it's worth......
>> Dudley Henriques
>> International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
>
>
> Good grief, Dudley! What did you have to pay your personal team of
> lawyers to write that disclaimer???

Not sure I understand the gist of what you're saying about a disclaimer,
but I'll assume it's friendly unless I learn otherwise. :-)
The statement isn't meant to be a boast of any kind....far from it. If
you're reading it that way it's obvious you know little about me
personally.
It's simply a fact, unless you have a source for a buzzing that was
more publicized than this one involving my overflight of the Haywood
Baptist Church Cemetery in 1971.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
for email; take out the trash

Roger

November 20th 04, 11:21 PM

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:18:46 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote:

>You know Shawn, I guess I should qualify this a bit better as I didn't
>make a career of breaking FAA regulations :-)))
>. This particular "buzz job" was a once in a lifetime shot. I had very
>good reason to be there and to be doing it.
>I was attending the funeral of a fighter pilot friend that I had missed
>attending at that cemetery sixteen years earlier.......and for this
>particular friend, I would do it again tomorrow :-)
>D

"I understand" that chasing snowmobiles and 4-wheelers violating on
state land is interesting. I can't do it in the Deb though...It has
those great big numbers on the side. <:-))

I have circled a bunch of them at minimum "legal" altitude and watched
them run for cover . They must have thought I was from the Department
of Natural Resources. Too bad they don't realize they stand out like a
sore thumb in all that brush during the winter. <:-))

I once saw a B-17 do a really good imitation of the North, by North
West scene <:-)) and I've seen the video tape shot from the ground.

Now THAT was a buzz job! An IMPRESSIVE buzz job!
He may not have been as fast as the P-51, but he sure was *big* and
*loud*.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>"ShawnD2112" > wrote in message
...
>> Treetops?!?! Come on, Dudley, you gotta get LOW to consider it
>> buzzing! :-)
>>
>> Shawn
>>
>>
>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> nk.net...
>>>
>>> "Cub Driver" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 19 Nov 2004 02:17:41 -0800, (Ramapriya) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>What's buzzing? I've heard it's some kind of a feel-good maneuver..
>>>>
>>>> I was at a cocktail party / family reunion (not my family!) where
>>>> the
>>>> old guy reminisced about the hostess's uncle who knocked a brick off
>>>> the chimney of the family house, buzzing it with a P-51 in 1945 or
>>>> thereabouts.
>>>>
>>>> *That's* buzzing!
>>>
>>> NAH! Buzzing is taking a P51 up a country road at 8AM on a Sunday
>>> morning at 60 inches and 3000RPM so low that the prop tips are almost
>>> leaving a swath through the pine tree tops, then overflying a church
>>> and cemetery at 50 feet; then pulling it off the deck into a climbing
>>> slow roll, disappearing in a hurry before some sharp eyed character
>>> down there had time to get the numbers.
>>> Then after you've managed to scare the hell out of half of the
>>> congregation at the Haywood Baptist Church in Haywood Virginia that
>>> Sunday morning, Reader's Digest comes along and gets another 23
>>> million people in 17 languages, Braille, and large print, to sit on
>>> their butts on their toilets all over the world (that's where
>>> everybody keeps Reader's Digest I think) and read all about it
>>> without you getting arrested.
>>> Now THAT'S buzzing!!! :-)
>>> Dudley Henriques
>>> International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
>>> for email; take out the trash
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Dudley Henriques

November 21st 04, 12:00 AM

"Roger" > wrote in message
...

> I once saw a B-17 do a really good imitation of the North, by North
> West scene <:-)) and I've seen the video tape shot from the ground.
>
> Now THAT was a buzz job! An IMPRESSIVE buzz job!
> He may not have been as fast as the P-51, but he sure was *big* and
> *loud*.

Big and loud is good.
Fish Salmon had a great buzz job once on Okinawa while flying solo
position with the Thunderbirds. You can't go mach 1 in the U.S during a
show for obvious reasons, but nobody said anything about Okinawa!
Fish brought his F100 in from the ocean during his opening pass at the
Thunderbird's show there sneaking in at about 50 feet in max AB going
super just as he passed right over the crowd from the blind side.
The TB alum STILL talk about that pass whenever the old timers get
together at an O Club somewhere to share a few........memories! :-)
Dudley

jls

November 21st 04, 12:38 AM

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Roger" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > I once saw a B-17 do a really good imitation of the North, by North
> > West scene <:-)) and I've seen the video tape shot from the ground.
> >
> > Now THAT was a buzz job! An IMPRESSIVE buzz job!
> > He may not have been as fast as the P-51, but he sure was *big* and
> > *loud*.
>
> Big and loud is good.
> Fish Salmon had a great buzz job once on Okinawa while flying solo
> position with the Thunderbirds. You can't go mach 1 in the U.S during a
> show for obvious reasons, but nobody said anything about Okinawa!
> Fish brought his F100 in from the ocean during his opening pass at the
> Thunderbird's show there sneaking in at about 50 feet in max AB going
> super just as he passed right over the crowd from the blind side.
> The TB alum STILL talk about that pass whenever the old timers get
> together at an O Club somewhere to share a few........memories! :-)
> Dudley

This is all kid stuff. Col. Robert Morgan did a knife edge with the
Memphis Belle B-17 between the City Building and Courthouse in Asheville,
NC, his hometown. A whistleblower in the City Building reported the
incident and soon found that he had made a big mistake for tattling on the
war hero.

Dan Thomas

November 21st 04, 01:17 AM

Cub Driver

November 21st 04, 11:21 AM

>I have circled a bunch of them at minimum "legal" altitude and watched
>them run for cover .

A month ago I asked the KPSM tower for permission to tour Great Bay at
600 feet so I could look over my house. Since there was no one on the
water, I went down to about 100 feet, but being an anal type I bumped
up to 600 to go over the house and trees, and I stayed at that
altitude while crossing a little peninsula to the north. I didn't want
to go higher because I couldn't talk to Pease with my handheld radio
while down low, and I didn't want to get near pattern altitude and
scare someone.

When I got home, my daughter began to tell me about this Piper Cub
that had buzzed the house and then crossed the road to the peninsula
so low that it actually *went between the trees*, and had the
high-topped van that was passing at about that time been on the road,
the Cub would have hit it.

I heard her out because I was sure that she was speaking of another
Cub that is known to do buzz jobs of the bay, looking for eagles, but
in the end I realized she was talking about me. So here is a person
with superlative vision and lots of experience judging distances and
vectors on water. Yet she was drawing 600 feet of altitude down to
below 60 feet, and in her enthusiasm to about 10 feet.

How likely is it that someone can read the numbers at 600 feet?

all the best -- Dan Ford
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gatt

November 24th 04, 07:15 PM

"Roger" > wrote in message

> I once saw a B-17 do a really good imitation of the North, by North
> West scene <:-)) and I've seen the video tape shot from the ground.

Where was that? I was standing behind the copilot in such a flight, in the
northwest in 1995. In fact, I won't even mention what airplane it was by
request of the engineer, after the flight, suggested that maybe none of that
happened. They had a whole bunch of jumpers go out the back door (which
had been removed prior to takeoff) and spent about half an hour buzzing the
drop zone.

Took the ride with my grandfather, who hadn't flown in a B-17 since he was
shot down over Schweinfurt. I don't remember ever seeing him smile so much.
After the flight he shook the pilot's hand and they exchanged autographs.

-c