Analyze this, please...

[Jay Honeck]

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/F18KillA4.wmv

I recently received this amazing video of an F/A-18 Hornet
accidentally "shooting down" an A4 Skyhawk. However, I've received
two conflicting explanations of what's happening here:

One version of the story says that it was an F/A-18 missile test being
filmed by the A4. The missile didn't fire after release, tumbled into
the A4, and tore off its wing.

The other version says that it was a refueling accident. Apparently
the A4s were used as "mini-refuelers" and it looks as if what comes
off the Hornet is actually attached to the A4. Perhaps the drogue
snagged something and tore off the missile, which then hit the A4s
wing, tearing it off?

Anyone know conclusively? I'd like to get the caption right.

Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Slick]

IF you analyze the video and read the name of the video, it seems obvious.
From the reviewing the video this was not a refueling accident. That weapon
was clearly dropped from the Hornet. As far as to why the weapon did what it
did, I have no idea.
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
om...
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/F18KillA4.wmv
>
> I recently received this amazing video of an F/A-18 Hornet
> accidentally "shooting down" an A4 Skyhawk. However, I've received
> two conflicting explanations of what's happening here:
>
> One version of the story says that it was an F/A-18 missile test being
> filmed by the A4. The missile didn't fire after release, tumbled into
> the A4, and tore off its wing.
>
> The other version says that it was a refueling accident. Apparently
> the A4s were used as "mini-refuelers" and it looks as if what comes
> off the Hornet is actually attached to the A4. Perhaps the drogue
> snagged something and tore off the missile, which then hit the A4s
> wing, tearing it off?
>
> Anyone know conclusively? I'd like to get the caption right.
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"




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[Chris Ehlbeck]

Whichever happened, watch the A-4 after the accident. Remember the mantra
"FLY the airplane!"
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PP-ASEL
"It's a license to learn, have fun and buy really expensive hamburgers."

"Slick" > wrote in message ...
> IF you analyze the video and read the name of the video, it seems obvious.
> From the reviewing the video this was not a refueling accident. That
weapon
> was clearly dropped from the Hornet. As far as to why the weapon did what
it
> did, I have no idea.
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> om...
> > http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/F18KillA4.wmv
> >
> > I recently received this amazing video of an F/A-18 Hornet
> > accidentally "shooting down" an A4 Skyhawk. However, I've received
> > two conflicting explanations of what's happening here:
> >
> > One version of the story says that it was an F/A-18 missile test being
> > filmed by the A4. The missile didn't fire after release, tumbled into
> > the A4, and tore off its wing.
> >
> > The other version says that it was a refueling accident. Apparently
> > the A4s were used as "mini-refuelers" and it looks as if what comes
> > off the Hornet is actually attached to the A4. Perhaps the drogue
> > snagged something and tore off the missile, which then hit the A4s
> > wing, tearing it off?
> >
> > Anyone know conclusively? I'd like to get the caption right.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Iowa City, IA
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > www.AlexisParkInn.com
> > "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>
>
>
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[John T]

It looks to me that the plyon AND missle came off, and the weird
aerodynamics made it fly up like that. There is no exhaust coming from
the missle/bomb, so it wasn't launched.

Perhaps a glitch in the emergency release for the pylon, or a bad
connection of the pylon.

John

[zatatime]

On 20 Nov 2004 05:03:03 -0800, (Jay Honeck)
wrote:

>Anyone know conclusively? I'd like to get the caption right.


This was posted by that guy that caused a rucus a few months ago for
his website on crashes. I think his name is Iwan Bugles (not exact).
He had the full explanation in the post he put up with the original
link. Nobidy died, and it was a missle test accident. I wish I could
remember the rest, but he may still have it on his site as it was only
posted a week ago or so.

HTH.
z

[Aardvark]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/F18KillA4.wmv
>
> I recently received this amazing video of an F/A-18 Hornet
> accidentally "shooting down" an A4 Skyhawk. However, I've received
> two conflicting explanations of what's happening here:
>
> One version of the story says that it was an F/A-18 missile test being
> filmed by the A4. The missile didn't fire after release, tumbled into
> the A4, and tore off its wing.
>
> The other version says that it was a refueling accident. Apparently
> the A4s were used as "mini-refuelers" and it looks as if what comes
> off the Hornet is actually attached to the A4. Perhaps the drogue
> snagged something and tore off the missile, which then hit the A4s
> wing, tearing it off?
>
> Anyone know conclusively? I'd like to get the caption right.
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"


iwan.bogels (AT) wxs.nl posted about this vid ....
=========================
11-11-04
During many prototype tests one or more chases plane monitor the test events
from close by. But sometimes these tests just don't go as planned, and the
chase plane is caught by surprise. Like in this video where things go wrong
in the worst possible way.

According to recent information the pilots stayed with the aircraft for a
long time in order to stow their own film camera before ejection, so they
wouldn't get hurt by it. Next to that they had to wait for the right moment
to eject facing upward, in order to sustain the best chance for a succesful
escape from the tumbling wreck.

Iwan

====================


Maybe he has more info on it.

[Marco Leon]

Jay,

I first saw this in a video series I purchased called "The Challenge of
Flight." This was a weapons drop test but they never mentioned if it was a
missile or a bomb. They typically first drop missiles without the engine to
verify that it separates properly before the engine fires. If you look at
the paint scheme of the F/A-18, it still has the prototype paint scheme so
it was early in the F/A-18 development--another clue that it was a "test."
They usually have one or more chase planes present to monitor the drop and
to advise the test pilot.

Regards,

Marco Leon


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
om...
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/F18KillA4.wmv
>
> I recently received this amazing video of an F/A-18 Hornet
> accidentally "shooting down" an A4 Skyhawk. However, I've received
> two conflicting explanations of what's happening here:
>
> One version of the story says that it was an F/A-18 missile test being
> filmed by the A4. The missile didn't fire after release, tumbled into
> the A4, and tore off its wing.
>
> The other version says that it was a refueling accident. Apparently
> the A4s were used as "mini-refuelers" and it looks as if what comes
> off the Hornet is actually attached to the A4. Perhaps the drogue
> snagged something and tore off the missile, which then hit the A4s
> wing, tearing it off?
>
> Anyone know conclusively? I'd like to get the caption right.
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

Thanks to everyone who responded!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"