Sleeping on long flights - What's the secret?

[C. Osbourne]

Hi,

I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
really like to do some sleeping during the flights.

But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
(can't afford 1st class)

Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
so long?

Thanks for answering here...

[Morgans]

"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
news:f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53...
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>
> Thanks for answering here...
>
>
Antihistamine.
--
Jim in NC


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[Sylvia Else]

C. Osbourne wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>
> Thanks for answering here...
>
>

Get your doctor to prescribe a mild sedative - something like tamazepam
or serepax. Most doctors seem happy to do this, on the grounds that it's
much better for your health for you to get some sleep, than to arrive at
your destination feeling like death that's still waiting to be warmed up.

You wouldn't sleep through an emergency though - the adrenaline would
see to that.

Sylvia.

[Plad]

Business class

Mark
"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
news:f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53...
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>
> Thanks for answering here...
>
>

[Ronnie H]

Try to arrange your trips so that you don't absolutely have to sleep on the
plane. Then you'll be less wound up about having to sleep. Use foam
earplugs, eyeshades and one of those inflatable neck pillows. Depending on
length of trip and whether you can avoid using the bathroom, try for a
window seat. Regards
"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
news:f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53...
>

> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>
> Thanks for answering here...
>
>

[Phil Allison]

"Sylvia Else"
>>
>> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would really like to do some
>> sleeping during the flights.
>
> Get your doctor to prescribe a mild sedative - something like tamazepam or
> serepax.
> You wouldn't sleep through an emergency though - the adrenaline would see
> to that.
>


** Yeah, Sylvia is right for once - no way known you can continue
sleeping onboard a Boeing 747 while being sucked out the side of the plane
by a massive decompression and converted into mice meat by the starboard
inboard engine.

A real "once in a lifetime" experience that one !!!!!





................ Phil

[Cub Driver]

(I assume you're speaking of commercial flights, not GA aircraft with
yourself at the controls!)

In the days when this was important to me, I followed this routine: I
ate lightly at the airport, eschewing coffee. I made sure I had a
window seat and that I was among the first to board, so that I could
be sure of snagging a blanket and two pillows. I swallowed a Dalmane
tablet. I put one pillow against the window and the other behind my
back, and I leaned the seat back to max estension as soon as the
smoking lamp was lit.

(Indeed, smoking was as much a part of the thinking as was the need
for sleep. I sat in non-smoking so that I wouldn't feel wrecked in the
morning.)

I was asleep before drinks came around, and I stayed asleep till
coffee arrived in the morning. It wasn't ideal, but it kept me
operating next day.

Now I don't smoke, don't take sleep aids, and don't work next day
after an overnight flight. For their part, the airlines don't provide
pillows!

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
the blog www.danford.net

[Sylvia Else]

Phil Allison wrote:
> "Sylvia Else"
>
>>>I'm going on some long flights soon, and would really like to do some
>>>sleeping during the flights.
>>
>>Get your doctor to prescribe a mild sedative - something like tamazepam or
>>serepax.
>>You wouldn't sleep through an emergency though - the adrenaline would see
>>to that.
>>
>
>
>
> ** Yeah, Sylvia is right for once

Thank you for that glowing endorcement, Phil.

I don't know whether this got across or not, but my point about the
emergency is that a person might have concerns that they'd be too zonked
out to look after their own welfare, for example in an evacuation. I'm
just saying that won't happen (assuming dosage rules are obeyed).

Sylvia.

[Jay Honeck]

> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)

There is simply no way a 6' 3" guy is going to be able to sleep for more
than 30 minutes on a modern airliner. They are not designed for comfort,
and you will cripple yourself trying.

Even if you take a sedative, or a few stiff drinks, you will awaken with
such a crick in your neck that you'll wish you hadn't slept at all.

It's a sad fact of modern airlines, but they're just not interested in your
comfort.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Rich Ahrens]

Sylvia Else wrote:

>
>
> C. Osbourne wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would really like to do some
>> sleeping during the flights.
>> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough to get to sleep.
>> I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny seats are -very- uncomfortable after a
>> few hours. (can't afford 1st class)
>> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs I can use to get to
>> sleep so the flights don't seem so long?
>> Thanks for answering here...
>>
>>
>
> Get your doctor to prescribe a mild sedative - something like tamazepam
> or serepax.

Now the twit is trying to prescribe. No known limits to her BS...

[Rich Ahrens]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
>>to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
>>seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
>>(can't afford 1st class)
>
>
> There is simply no way a 6' 3" guy is going to be able to sleep for more
> than 30 minutes on a modern airliner. They are not designed for comfort,
> and you will cripple yourself trying.

That a fact? I'm 6'5" and got at least six hours each way between
Auckland and LAX not long ago without benefit of sedatives or alcohol.

[Jay Honeck]

> That a fact? I'm 6'5" and got at least six hours each way between Auckland
> and LAX not long ago without benefit of sedatives or alcohol.

You, sir, must be a contortionist!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[~~ Ray ~~]

dont sleep the night before your flight. by the time you get on plane and
your so tired you'd just fall aslep


"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
news:f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53...
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>
> Thanks for answering here...
>
>

[J B]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:5mlod.445307$D%.42028@attbi_s51...

> There is simply no way a 6' 3" guy is going to be able to sleep

I thought the 280 lbs may have been more of a restriction than the height!

That's 20 stone in English!!


--

J B

[Dean Wilkinson]

I have heard of PIC's setting the autopilot and going to sleep on long cross
country flights, but I wouldn't recommend that you do it... : )

"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
news:f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53...
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>
> Thanks for answering here...
>
>

[Thomas]

>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>

Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.

[zatatime]

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:14:35 GMT, (C.
Osbourne) wrote:

>Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
>I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
>so long?


Vodka. Beer also might work, but you'll have to get up for the
bathroom too much and may be counter productive.

z

[ShawnD2112]

Not entirely true, Jay. Airlines work very hard to make sure their seats
are as comfortable as possible. That's how they differentiate from the
competition. But there are limits to what you can do. Airlines have to
make a buck and economy passengers aren't interested in paying one dollar
more than they have to to get where they're going. If they were, they'd be
flying in Business Class, or Premium Economy, which typically has more leg
room and a wider seat. It's not all the mean old airlines. Much of what
the airlines do is driven by passenger purchasing behaviour.

Shawn

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:5mlod.445307$D%.42028@attbi_s51...
>> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
>> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
>> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
>> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> There is simply no way a 6' 3" guy is going to be able to sleep for more
> than 30 minutes on a modern airliner. They are not designed for comfort,
> and you will cripple yourself trying.
>
> Even if you take a sedative, or a few stiff drinks, you will awaken with
> such a crick in your neck that you'll wish you hadn't slept at all.
>
> It's a sad fact of modern airlines, but they're just not interested in
> your comfort.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Brien K. Meehan]

C. Osbourne wrote:

> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.

Try climbing to altitude and couple the GPS with the autopilot. If you
have a way of setting the cabin pressure at about 9000, do that. It's
easier to sleep up there.

Then turn down the COM1 volume a bit, and tune COM2 to 121.50 and turn
it up loud. If ATC really needs to get to you, they'll try on 121.50,
and that should wake you up.

If you're flying single pilot-in-command, make sure your passengers
fall asleep before you do, and make sure you're wearing sunglasses that
wrap around so they can't see that your eyes are closed, just in case.

[Andrew Gideon]

Brien K. Meehan wrote:

> If you're flying single pilot-in-command, make sure your passengers
> fall asleep before you do,

Ah, *that's* what I've been missing.

- Andrew

[G.R. Patterson III]

"C. Osbourne" wrote:
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.

So, *why* crosspost this to rec.aviation.piloting? We work very hard to stay awake when we're
flying.

George Patterson

[gatt]

"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message news:f_iod.134853$

> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?

Benadryl works great.

One time I flew to London on a 747 sandwiched between a French guy and a
fellow from Hong Kong, neither of whom spoke english. For the love of God.

On the way home, in the interest of public safety, I took a remaining
codeine pill left over from oral surgery, stretched out across the row in
the middle of the mostly-empty airplane...and dreamed that I was stuck
between a French guy and a fellow from Hong Kong, that the plane was flying
under power lines, etc...

-c

[Sylvia Else]

Rich Ahrens wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> C. Osbourne wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would really like to do some
>>> sleeping during the flights. But somehow, I can't seem to get
>>> comfortable enough to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
>>> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours. (can't afford 1st
>>> class)
>>> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs I can use to get to
>>> sleep so the flights don't seem so long? Thanks for answering here...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Get your doctor to prescribe a mild sedative - something like
>> tamazepam or serepax.
>
>
> Now the twit is trying to prescribe. No known limits to her BS...

No - read it again, the person's doctor would do the prescribing.

Sylvia.

[JohnT]

"gatt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "C. Osbourne" > wrote in message news:f_iod.134853$
>
>> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
>> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
>> so long?
>
> Benadryl works great.
>
> One time I flew to London on a 747 sandwiched between a French guy and a
> fellow from Hong Kong, neither of whom spoke english. For the love of God.

Does that mean that you had to talk to them in French and Cantonese?

JohnT

[C Kingsbury]

"ShawnD2112" > wrote in message
...
> Not entirely true, Jay. Airlines work very hard to make sure their seats
> are as comfortable as possible. That's how they differentiate from the
> competition. But there are limits to what you can do. Airlines have to
> make a buck and economy passengers aren't interested in paying one dollar
> more than they have to to get where they're going.

I used to fly between the US and Germany regularly on business. Every time I
bought my tickets I'd check prices in both business and coach. In coach I
only once paid more than $800 for a roundtrip, and business class was
usually around $5000. Coach always had discounts available while business
was usually sold full-fare only. I can see paying a bit more, double even,
but six times as much?

The problem is that there is no "intermediate" offering much of the time.
You can have a 39-cent cheeseburger at McDonald's, or a $50 steak at Smith &
Wollensky's. This is true of domestic first class in the US as well, but
that's very accessible to those who travel regularly and get into the elite
programs.

-cwk.

[C Kingsbury]

"zatatime" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:14:35 GMT, (C.
> Osbourne) wrote:
>
> Vodka. Beer also might work, but you'll have to get up for the
> bathroom too much and may be counter productive.
>

Nah, red wine. Chemicals in it promote drowsiness. And of course there's
always Nyquil.

-cwk.

[Sylvia Else]

JohnT wrote:
> "gatt" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message news:f_iod.134853$
>>
>>
>>>Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
>>>I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
>>>so long?
>>
>>Benadryl works great.
>>
>>One time I flew to London on a 747 sandwiched between a French guy and a
>>fellow from Hong Kong, neither of whom spoke english. For the love of God.
>
>
> Does that mean that you had to talk to them in French and Cantonese?
>
> JohnT

No - it means that he was one of the very fortunate few who manage to
get through a seemingly interminable flight without having to indulge in
inane conversation with the person next to them.

Sylvia.

[John Galban]

(C. Osbourne) wrote in message news:<f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53>...
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>

An interesting question to pose to rec.aviation.piloting. I often
find that a good autopilot can help me get to sleep. It keeps the
plane from rolling over into a spiral dive when the fuel becomes
unbalanced. As for drugs, well they're usually only required to sleep
in a really noisy or windy environment, like an open cockpit biplane.
Something like Thorazine is usually required in those situations. It
might be a little harsh, but almost guarantees that you'll be out like
a light, right to the end of the flight.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180, really hoping that the smiley is not
req'd)

[Robert Coffey]

Before leaving Bonaire I took a Benadryl for some mosq bites. In the
airport a buddy had an open bottle of Appleton's rum we needed to
finish. I had about 2 drinks. After we loaded I started reading a book
on the ramp. I got about 1/2 page then was barely able to get the book
in the seat pocket before my eyes shut. I woke up after we landed in
Miami. i had Fruit Loops cerial in my mouth and on my shirt. My buddy a
few rows up was throwing them toward my gaped open mouth. He said no one
else could really rest well for my snoring. 6'2", 240lb.

gatt wrote:
> "C. Osbourne" > wrote in message news:f_iod.134853$
>
>
>>Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
>>I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
>>so long?
>
>
> Benadryl works great.
>
> One time I flew to London on a 747 sandwiched between a French guy and a
> fellow from Hong Kong, neither of whom spoke english. For the love of God.
>
> On the way home, in the interest of public safety, I took a remaining
> codeine pill left over from oral surgery, stretched out across the row in
> the middle of the mostly-empty airplane...and dreamed that I was stuck
> between a French guy and a fellow from Hong Kong, that the plane was flying
> under power lines, etc...
>
> -c
>
>

[Rob McDonald]

Seats at bulkheads and emergency exits usually have a little more leg
room, sometimes if you get to the airport early you can request one of
these seats. I go out of my way to be polite and cheerful when making
these requests... I have eccasionally been offered a free upgrade to
business class - that makes a big difference on a 7-1/2 hr flight!

I do six to eight hour flights several times each year. I can rarely
sleep if it's a day flight,though I would like to, Whenever possible I
take a late departure arriving in the morning. A glass of wine with
dinner, a blanket & blindfold and I always sleep on the night flights.

The suggestion by another poster to see your doctor for a mild sedative
is a good one. I have also found that cold medications and anti nausea
medications usually put me to sleep.

Good luck,
Rob


(C. Osbourne) wrote in news:f_iod.134853
$R05.103574@attbi_s53:

>
> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>
> Thanks for answering here...
>
>

[aluckyguess]

"Dean Wilkinson" > wrote in message
...
>I have heard of PIC's setting the autopilot and going to sleep on long
>cross
> country flights, but I wouldn't recommend that you do it... : )
>
That woud take balls.


> "C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
> news:f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53...
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
>> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>>
>> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
>> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
>> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
>> (can't afford 1st class)
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
>> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
>> so long?
>>
>> Thanks for answering here...
>>
>>
>
>

[Michelle P]

Carb Loading, a good blanket and some earplugs or Noise canceling
headphones.
Works for me,
Michelle

C. Osbourne wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
>really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
>But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
>to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
>seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
>(can't afford 1st class)
>
>Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
>I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
>so long?
>
>Thanks for answering here...
>
>
>
>

--

Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P

"Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike)

Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic

Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity

[Pooh Bear]

"C. Osbourne" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?

I'm kind of assuming this is a troll given the obesity mentioned.

I suggest you stay awake.

Your corpulence ( being a fatso ) puts you at greater risk of deep vein
thrombosis.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=deep+vein+thrombosis&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Basically, inactivity can result in the formation of a blood clot in
your circulatory system ( most likely in a leg ) that can then cause
serious damage ( including death ) when dislodged.

Best bet is to remain active. Take a stroll every hour or two. Taking an
aspirin before flight thins your blood and helps prevent clotting. Drink
plenty of water and avoid too much alcohol ( staying well hydrated keeps
the blood less liable to clot ).

Frankly you're you big for an economy seat and will be a nuisance to
your immediate neighbours.

Considered losing weight ?


Graham



Oh - btw - you learn to sleep on a flight after *practice*

[Pooh Bear]

Sylvia Else wrote:

> JohnT wrote:
> > "gatt" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message news:f_iod.134853$
> >>
> >>
> >>>Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> >>>I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> >>>so long?
> >>
> >>Benadryl works great.
> >>
> >>One time I flew to London on a 747 sandwiched between a French guy and a
> >>fellow from Hong Kong, neither of whom spoke english. For the love of God.
> >
> >
> > Does that mean that you had to talk to them in French and Cantonese?
> >
> > JohnT
>
> No - it means that he was one of the very fortunate few who manage to
> get through a seemingly interminable flight without having to indulge in
> inane conversation with the person next to them.

I can see the possible issue.

For myself, however, I can say that I've had quite a few pleasant conversations on
long flights.

I was mildly amused when on a Dubai - Bombay sector, the cabin crew asked me to
befriend an older passenger they seated next to me. Nice old guy actually. Shame
about the A300.


Graham

[Sylvia Else]

Pooh Bear wrote:

> I'm kind of assuming this is a troll given the obesity mentioned.

The possibility of a troll didn't occur to me. Mind you, I'm not used to
thinking of weights in pounds, so I missed the obesity.

Such people should pay more for their tickets. How come I pay for excess
baggage when this guy weighs more than my baggage and me put together?

Sylvia

[John Mazor]

"Sylvia Else" > wrote in message
...
>
> Pooh Bear wrote:
>
> > I'm kind of assuming this is a troll given the obesity mentioned.
>
> The possibility of a troll didn't occur to me. Mind you, I'm not used to
> thinking of weights in pounds, so I missed the obesity.
>
> Such people should pay more for their tickets. How come I pay for excess
> baggage when this guy weighs more than my baggage and me put together?

How come we can pay significantly more for a 300-mile trip between two small
markets than for a 3000-mile trip in a competitive city pair? Because
airline market imperatives dictate that the cost of a service and its price
aren't always directly related.

[Pooh Bear]

Rob McDonald wrote:

> Seats at bulkheads and emergency exits usually have a little more leg
> room, sometimes if you get to the airport early you can request one of
> these seats.

It pays to arrive early.

I have rarely *not* got a seat behind the overwing exit. One of the best
places to be able to stretch your legs.


> I go out of my way to be polite and cheerful when making
> these requests... I have eccasionally been offered a free upgrade to
> business class - that makes a big difference on a 7-1/2 hr flight!

I made a fuss once about being 'bumped'. All 6 of us got upgraded. 5 in
business and 1 in first ( since he was feeling unwell ).

And yes - it makes a difference !

Don't take any **** - but equally don't over-do it. Ask to to speak to the
station manager.

Kinda - be firm but reasonable if bumped.


> I do six to eight hour flights several times each year. I can rarely
> sleep if it's a day flight,though I would like to, Whenever possible I
> take a late departure arriving in the morning. A glass of wine with
> dinner, a blanket & blindfold and I always sleep on the night flights.

Night flights are easier - the cabin crew *want* you to sleep ! Don't
refuse the blanket - you'll need it as they reduce the cabin temp !


> The suggestion by another poster to see your doctor for a mild sedative
> is a good one. I have also found that cold medications and anti nausea
> medications usually put me to sleep.

Sounds like you found some sedative meds.

Some docs may prescribe you diazepam ( valium ) or the like. Depends how
they feel abour prescribing such stuff. You may have a better bet of
getting prescribed if you suggest you're afraid of flying.

Since I feel fine flying - I just sleep anyway ( but it takes time to get
used to doing it on a plane ) . Modest alcohol intake may help.


Graham

[Bob Fry]

"G.R. Patterson III" > writes:

> "C. Osbourne" wrote:
> >
> > I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> > really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> So, *why* crosspost this to rec.aviation.piloting? We work very hard to stay awake when we're
> flying.

He also cross-posted to alt.disasters.aviation. Maybe posting to
r.a.p. *and* a.d.a. makes sense.

[ShawnD2112]

Which is exactly why several airlines have introduced a Premium Economy, to
provide more service and greater comfort for people willing to pay more than
economy but not as much as Business class. Working quite well for a couple
of them.

Shawn
"C Kingsbury" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "ShawnD2112" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Not entirely true, Jay. Airlines work very hard to make sure their seats
>> are as comfortable as possible. That's how they differentiate from the
>> competition. But there are limits to what you can do. Airlines have to
>> make a buck and economy passengers aren't interested in paying one dollar
>> more than they have to to get where they're going.
>
> I used to fly between the US and Germany regularly on business. Every time
> I
> bought my tickets I'd check prices in both business and coach. In coach I
> only once paid more than $800 for a roundtrip, and business class was
> usually around $5000. Coach always had discounts available while business
> was usually sold full-fare only. I can see paying a bit more, double even,
> but six times as much?
>
> The problem is that there is no "intermediate" offering much of the time.
> You can have a 39-cent cheeseburger at McDonald's, or a $50 steak at Smith
> &
> Wollensky's. This is true of domestic first class in the US as well, but
> that's very accessible to those who travel regularly and get into the
> elite
> programs.
>
> -cwk.
>
>
>
>

[Sylvia Else]

John Mazor wrote:
> "Sylvia Else" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Pooh Bear wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm kind of assuming this is a troll given the obesity mentioned.
>>
>>The possibility of a troll didn't occur to me. Mind you, I'm not used to
>>thinking of weights in pounds, so I missed the obesity.
>>
>>Such people should pay more for their tickets. How come I pay for excess
>>baggage when this guy weighs more than my baggage and me put together?
>
>
> How come we can pay significantly more for a 300-mile trip between two small
> markets than for a 3000-mile trip in a competitive city pair? Because
> airline market imperatives dictate that the cost of a service and its price
> aren't always directly related.
>
>

This is true, but I rather suspect airlines would be happy to charge
obese people more, if the political (not commercial) backlash wouldn't
be so great.

Sylvia.

[Pooh Bear]

John Mazor wrote:

> "Sylvia Else" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Pooh Bear wrote:
> >
> > > I'm kind of assuming this is a troll given the obesity mentioned.
> >
> > The possibility of a troll didn't occur to me. Mind you, I'm not used to
> > thinking of weights in pounds, so I missed the obesity.
> >
> > Such people should pay more for their tickets. How come I pay for excess
> > baggage when this guy weighs more than my baggage and me put together?
>
> How come we can pay significantly more for a 300-mile trip between two small
> markets than for a 3000-mile trip in a competitive city pair? Because
> airline market imperatives dictate that the cost of a service and its price
> aren't always directly related.

The market works in funny ways!

Being factual, there's a fixed cost in 'passenger handling' not to mention the
same for an aircraft.

I would expect short flights to be more expensive per mile than long haul.

Airlines also need to fill seats and do so according to accountancy rules.


Graham

[Pooh Bear]

Sylvia Else wrote:

> John Mazor wrote:
> > "Sylvia Else" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Pooh Bear wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm kind of assuming this is a troll given the obesity mentioned.
> >>
> >>The possibility of a troll didn't occur to me. Mind you, I'm not used to
> >>thinking of weights in pounds, so I missed the obesity.
> >>
> >>Such people should pay more for their tickets. How come I pay for excess
> >>baggage when this guy weighs more than my baggage and me put together?
> >
> >
> > How come we can pay significantly more for a 300-mile trip between two small
> > markets than for a 3000-mile trip in a competitive city pair? Because
> > airline market imperatives dictate that the cost of a service and its price
> > aren't always directly related.
>
>
> This is true, but I rather suspect airlines would be happy to charge
> obese people more, if the political (not commercial) backlash wouldn't
> be so great.

They have no trouble charging for *excess baggage*. Maybe they'd like to carve a
slice off the rump of the obese pax and charge that too ?


Graham

[MLenoch]

Ok.....old joke:

What's the difference between a dog and a flight engineer?





OK?



Here it is..............


The dog sleeps under the table!!

(cracks me up everytime!! thanks for indulging me!)
VL

[[email protected]]

Before you look too hard for a way to sleep on long flights, check out
www.airhealth.org

I too am tall (6ft 4in) and ten years ago (age 55 then) was stuffed
into a 747 center section steerage seat for a rushed
Chicago-Tokyo-Chicago business trip. A few days after returning,
while bending over, I had a TIA (small stroke) that completely
paralyzed me on the right side for about an hour. A blood clot
apparently crossed over in my heart & went to my brain. I now know I
have a common (35 percent of us do) heart defect called a Patent
Foramen Ovale (PFO) that allows some blood to occasionally skip going
thru the lungs, which would otherwise have filtered the clot out.

It has been a dog fight with the FAA to renew my 3rd class medical
ever since.

Clot formation on long flights is well described on the referenced web
site. Briefly you want to keep hydrated and keep moving around.
Don't sleep for any length or you may generate a clot. If you are
lucky, it will only be like Dan Quayle's of about the same time, and
be caught by your lung, which also requires hospitalization. He was
in first class, yet it still happened to him.

[Pooh Bear]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> > That a fact? I'm 6'5" and got at least six hours each way between Auckland
> > and LAX not long ago without benefit of sedatives or alcohol.
>
> You, sir, must be a contortionist!

If Rich had any sense he got here early and got a seat with legroom.

Or he has the bucks to pay for business or first.


Graham

[Bob Fry]

Sylvia Else > writes:

> This is true, but I rather suspect airlines would be happy to charge
> obese people more, if the political (not commercial) backlash wouldn't
> be so great.

I'd be happy if they would charge and assign two seats to these
overgrown slobs. That way I'd get some space of my own instead of
having to share with the guy who can't stay away from the trough.

[Jay Honeck]

>> This is true, but I rather suspect airlines would be happy to charge
>> obese people more, if the political (not commercial) backlash wouldn't
>> be so great.
>
> I'd be happy if they would charge and assign two seats to these
> overgrown slobs. That way I'd get some space of my own instead of
> having to share with the guy who can't stay away from the trough.

Before everyone starts piling on Bob for being "insensitive" I want to point
out that the obesity epidemic is a terrible problem in many parts of the
economy.

Twice (in a little over two years) we've had very large guests break bed
frames and chairs at the inn. No furniture was ever designed to support
over 300 pounds, and when you get two of them in bed, well, all bets are
off.

Strangely, they had an air of surprised disdain about what happened, as if
it were somehow a reflection upon our hotel that they were actually able to
break our furniture. Neither one offered to pay for the damage they
caused.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Sylvia Else]

Bob Fry wrote:
> Sylvia Else > writes:
>
>
>>This is true, but I rather suspect airlines would be happy to charge
>>obese people more, if the political (not commercial) backlash wouldn't
>>be so great.
>
>
> I'd be happy if they would charge and assign two seats to these
> overgrown slobs. That way I'd get some space of my own instead of
> having to share with the guy who can't stay away from the trough.

I wonder whether we're just too polite at times.

When we've paid for an air ticket, we have certain reasonable
expectations about the accomodation to be provided during the flight. In
particular, that we get to have a seat - all to ourselves.

When the blob next door is oozing over into my seat, why shouldn't I
demand that the airline do something about it? They could bump him up
into first class if necessary - of even better, bump me up into first class.

Another consideration is that I'm sharing the seat support structure
with him. In an emergency, his mass may detatch the seat I'm sitting in
from the floor - to my detriment.

Sylvia.

[Jonathan Sorger]

Has nobody mentioned Ambien (prescription)?

Don't take it if the flight is less than 6-7 hours or so (for a guy your
size).

Knock you out good...


In <f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53> C. Osbourne wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>
> Thanks for answering here...
>
>
>

[John Mazor]

"Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
...
>
> John Mazor wrote:
>
> > "Sylvia Else" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > Pooh Bear wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm kind of assuming this is a troll given the obesity mentioned.
> > >
> > > The possibility of a troll didn't occur to me. Mind you, I'm not used
to
> > > thinking of weights in pounds, so I missed the obesity.
> > >
> > > Such people should pay more for their tickets. How come I pay for
excess
> > > baggage when this guy weighs more than my baggage and me put together?
> >
> > How come we can pay significantly more for a 300-mile trip between two
small
> > markets than for a 3000-mile trip in a competitive city pair? Because
> > airline market imperatives dictate that the cost of a service and its
price
> > aren't always directly related.
>
> The market works in funny ways!
>
> Being factual, there's a fixed cost in 'passenger handling' not to mention
the
> same for an aircraft.
>
> I would expect short flights to be more expensive per mile than long haul.

Absolutely, but not by a factor of five or ten.

> Airlines also need to fill seats and do so according to accountancy rules.

Eh? I don't know what "accountancy rules" means here, but it all boils down
to charging whatever the market will bear, and its corollary, not charging
what the market won't bear. Why don't they charge you for that first bag?
Because the market expects you not to, and won't pay for it if there is a
competitive alternative.

[Pooh Bear]

John Mazor wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > John Mazor wrote:
> >
> > > "Sylvia Else" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Pooh Bear wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm kind of assuming this is a troll given the obesity mentioned.
> > > >
> > > > The possibility of a troll didn't occur to me. Mind you, I'm not used
> to
> > > > thinking of weights in pounds, so I missed the obesity.
> > > >
> > > > Such people should pay more for their tickets. How come I pay for
> excess
> > > > baggage when this guy weighs more than my baggage and me put together?
> > >
> > > How come we can pay significantly more for a 300-mile trip between two
> small
> > > markets than for a 3000-mile trip in a competitive city pair? Because
> > > airline market imperatives dictate that the cost of a service and its
> price
> > > aren't always directly related.
> >
> > The market works in funny ways!
> >
> > Being factual, there's a fixed cost in 'passenger handling' not to mention
> the
> > same for an aircraft.
> >
> > I would expect short flights to be more expensive per mile than long haul.
>
> Absolutely, but not by a factor of five or ten.
>
> > Airlines also need to fill seats and do so according to accountancy rules.
>
> Eh? I don't know what "accountancy rules" means here, but it all boils down
> to charging whatever the market will bear, and its corollary, not charging
> what the market won't bear. Why don't they charge you for that first bag?
> Because the market expects you not to, and won't pay for it if there is a
> competitive alternative.

Seat availability is a big factor too on busy routes.

UK low cost airline EasyJet has made this their speciality. Book early and you
get a really cheap fare. Wait til the last few seats are left and you're paying
as much as any other airline.


Graham

[gatt]

> > Such people should pay more for their tickets. How come I pay for excess
> > baggage when this guy weighs more than my baggage and me put together?

They're talking about that in America. We're, um, bigger.

> How come we can pay significantly more for a 300-mile trip between two
small
> markets than for a 3000-mile trip in a competitive city pair?

I've heard that it's actually illegal and goes back to a law passed because
of a similar rate metric used by the railroad in the old days to gouge
ranchers in Texas. (It cost far more to go between two hops than it did to
go from one end of the line to the other.)

Apparently it was an issue here in Oregon many years back due to commuter
rates to rural areas being more expensive than service to SFO, SEA, etc.
Never heard how it resolved.

-c

[Peter Cheeseman]

"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
news:f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53...
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?

1) Book an evening flight
2) Put in a full day's work
3) Have some food and a few drinks at the airport
4) A few more drinks on board
5) Pass out

Works every time.

PC

[Bertie the Bunyip]

(C. Osbourne) wrote in message news:<f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53>...
> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.

Become a pilot.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Sylvia Else > wrote in message >...
> C. Osbourne wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> > really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
> >
> > But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> > to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> > seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> > (can't afford 1st class)
> >
> > Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> > I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> > so long?
> >
> > Thanks for answering here...
> >
> >
>
> Get your doctor to prescribe a mild sedative -

Read sme of Sylvia's posts.. .

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Pooh Bear > wrote in message >...
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>
> > JohnT wrote:
> > > "gatt" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > >>"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message news:f_iod.134853$
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> > >>>I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> > >>>so long?
> > >>
> > >>Benadryl works great.
> > >>
> > >>One time I flew to London on a 747 sandwiched between a French guy and a
> > >>fellow from Hong Kong, neither of whom spoke english. For the love of God.
> > >
> > >
> > > Does that mean that you had to talk to them in French and Cantonese?
> > >
> > > JohnT
> >
> > No - it means that he was one of the very fortunate few who manage to
> > get through a seemingly interminable flight without having to indulge in
> > inane conversation with the person next to them.
>
> I can see the possible issue.
>
> For myself, however, I can say that I've had quite a few pleasant conversations on
> long flights.

I'm willing to bet that your victims would disagree.

Bertei

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Pooh Bear > wrote in message >...
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>
> > John Mazor wrote:
> > > "Sylvia Else" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > >>Pooh Bear wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>I'm kind of assuming this is a troll given the obesity mentioned.
> > >>
> > >>The possibility of a troll didn't occur to me. Mind you, I'm not used to
> > >>thinking of weights in pounds, so I missed the obesity.
> > >>
> > >>Such people should pay more for their tickets. How come I pay for excess
> > >>baggage when this guy weighs more than my baggage and me put together?
> > >
> > >
> > > How come we can pay significantly more for a 300-mile trip between two small
> > > markets than for a 3000-mile trip in a competitive city pair? Because
> > > airline market imperatives dictate that the cost of a service and its price
> > > aren't always directly related.
> >
> >
> > This is true, but I rather suspect airlines would be happy to charge
> > obese people more, if the political (not commercial) backlash wouldn't
> > be so great.
>
> They have no trouble charging for *excess baggage*. Maybe they'd like to carve a
> slice off the rump of the obese pax and charge that too ?

Oh that wasn't nice. You'll urt Sylvia's feelings!


Bwawhahwhahwhahhwh!


Bertei

[RobsSanta]

Avoid alcohol - worst thing is do is drink and then sit on a long haul
flight. It dehydrates you faster and you end up feeling like cr*p at the
other end.

Rob


"Peter Cheeseman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
> news:f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53...
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> > really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
> >
> > But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> > to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> > seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> > (can't afford 1st class)
> >
> > Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> > I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> > so long?
>
> 1) Book an evening flight
> 2) Put in a full day's work
> 3) Have some food and a few drinks at the airport
> 4) A few more drinks on board
> 5) Pass out
>
> Works every time.
>
> PC
>
>

[Christopher Brian Colohan]

(C. Osbourne) writes:

> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?

Many airlines let you check-in online up to 24 hours before the
flight. If you check-in the day before, you can often request an
emergency exit row or front row seat, and have more legroom.

Chris
--
Chris Colohan Email: PGP: finger
Web: www.colohan.com Phone: (412)268-4751

[Morgans]

"Thomas" > wrote

>
> Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.


>
You sir, (I use the term loosely) have the tact of a skunk.

I have no need of one of such cruel comments.

Plonk
--
Jim in NC


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[Bob Fry]

> > I'd be happy if they would charge and assign two seats to these
> > overgrown slobs. That way I'd get some space of my own instead of
> > having to share with the guy who can't stay away from the trough.
>
> Before everyone starts piling on Bob for being "insensitive"

Wow Jay, thanks!!

> I want to point
> out that the obesity epidemic is a terrible problem in many parts of the
> economy.

For sure. Go see "Supersize Me" and see if you still think fast food
isn't a big factor. You've probably all seen those analyses of how
portion size has grown over the years.

> Twice (in a little over two years) we've had very large guests break bed
> frames and chairs at the inn. No furniture was ever designed to support
> over 300 pounds, and when you get two of them in bed, well, all bets are
> off.

Two 300 pounders in bed, doing what many couples do in bed...the mind
boggles, the bed breaks!

[C. Osbourne]

The ever gay "Thomas" >
spewed:

>
>Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
>

That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"

Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...

That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
and had her killed.

Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...

[George]

(C. Osbourne) wrote in message news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
> The ever gay "Thomas" >
> spewed:
>
> >
> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
> >
>
> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
>
> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
>
> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
> and had her killed.
>
> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...

Make that fat stupid homophobic antiroyalist ******* who is trying to
(a) get a life and (2) an IQ in the single figures

[Road_Hog]

"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
news:wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53...

Hey, Fat boy, nice guy you got running your ****ty little country.

Go eat another family meal by yourself. No wonder your country is so big.

Sounds like you've already been super sized, bloater boy.

[Peter Cheeseman]

"RobsSanta" > wrote in message
news:kpLod.156978$G15.92238@fed1read03...
> Avoid alcohol - worst thing is do is drink and then sit on a long haul
> flight. It dehydrates you faster and you end up feeling like cr*p at the
> other end.
>
> Rob

What? Spend a long-haul flight awake and sober? Sounds like torture...

That's why civilized (i.e. non-US) airlines are happy to give out free
drinks to (well behaved) passengers - because they know that they will soon
fall asleep and not cause any further trouble.

PC

[running with scissors]

(C. Osbourne) wrote in message news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
> The ever gay "Thomas" >
> spewed:
>
> >
> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
> >
>
> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
>
> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
>
> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
> and had her killed.
>
> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...

uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed... parliament sets and
repeals laws.. been that way now since, umm.. what 1689.

[Bertie the Bunyip]

(running with scissors)
e.com:

> (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
> news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
>> The ever gay "Thomas" >
>> spewed:
>>
>> >
>> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
>> >
>>
>> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
>> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
>>
>> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
>> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
>> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
>>
>> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
>> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
>> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
>> and had her killed.
>>
>> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
>
> uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed... parliament sets and
> repeals laws.. been that way now since, umm.. what 1689.

They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...

Bertie

[AC]

Nahh, you're all wrong. Those benzo things are a surefire recipe for
disaster. Especially if you're asking a doctor to prescribe them to sleep on
a plane?!?.

Take 1-2 valerian (2000mg) and a 3mg melatonin (YMMV) cheap, natural, no
doctor, and will knock you out like a light. If you're crossing time zones
the M resets the circadian thythms as well.


"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
news:f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53...
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>
> Thanks for answering here...
>
>

[Wowoos]

Tamazepam .... You can hide your own Easter eggs with this stuff.


"AC" > wrote in message
...
> Nahh, you're all wrong. Those benzo things are a surefire recipe for
> disaster. Especially if you're asking a doctor to prescribe them to sleep
on
> a plane?!?.
>
> Take 1-2 valerian (2000mg) and a 3mg melatonin (YMMV) cheap, natural, no
> doctor, and will knock you out like a light. If you're crossing time zones
> the M resets the circadian thythms as well.
>
>
> "C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
> news:f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53...
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> > really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
> >
> > But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> > to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> > seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> > (can't afford 1st class)
> >
> > Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> > I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> > so long?
> >
> > Thanks for answering here...
> >
> >
>
>

[running with scissors]

Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message >...
> (running with scissors)
> e.com:
>
> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
> >> spewed:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
> >> >
> >>
> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
> >>
> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
> >>
> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
> >> and had her killed.
> >>
> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
> >
> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed... parliament sets and
> > repeals laws.. been that way now since, umm.. what 1689.
>
> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
>
> Bertie

god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king and
queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making presentations
of underage actresses and singers as being "sexy" and having the
"sexiest arse" in britain, the country would be in a worse state than
it is now.

now the daily mail.......

[Bertie the Bunyip]

(running with scissors)
e.com:

> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >...
>> (running with scissors)
>> e.com:
>>
>> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
>> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
>> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
>> >> spewed:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
>> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
>> >>
>> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
>> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
>> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
>> >>
>> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
>> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
>> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
>> >> and had her killed.
>> >>
>> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
>> >
>> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed... parliament sets
>> > and repeals laws.. been that way now since, umm.. what 1689.
>>
>> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
>>
>> Bertie
>
> god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king and
> queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making presentations
> of underage actresses and singers as being "sexy" and having the
> "sexiest arse" in britain, the country would be in a worse state than
> it is now.


I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!




Bertie
>
> now the daily mail.......
>

[Pooh Bear]

Peter Cheeseman wrote:

> "RobsSanta" > wrote in message
> news:kpLod.156978$G15.92238@fed1read03...
> > Avoid alcohol - worst thing is do is drink and then sit on a long haul
> > flight. It dehydrates you faster and you end up feeling like cr*p at the
> > other end.
> >
> > Rob
>
> What? Spend a long-haul flight awake and sober? Sounds like torture...
>
> That's why civilized (i.e. non-US) airlines are happy to give out free
> drinks to (well behaved) passengers - because they know that they will soon
> fall asleep and not cause any further trouble.

A few drinks is just fine. Just don't overdo it.

I made the mistake of drinking a little too much wine with the ( fairly
respectably decent in business classs ) meal once on a long haul flight. The
effect is quite different to that at ground level. Didn't actually feel that
pleasant. I drank a lot of water after that.


Graham

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Pooh Bear >
:

> Peter Cheeseman wrote:
>
>> "RobsSanta" > wrote in message
>> news:kpLod.156978$G15.92238@fed1read03...
>> > Avoid alcohol - worst thing is do is drink and then sit on a long
>> > haul flight. It dehydrates you faster and you end up feeling like
>> > cr*p at the other end.
>> >
>> > Rob
>>
>> What? Spend a long-haul flight awake and sober? Sounds like
>> torture...
>>
>> That's why civilized (i.e. non-US) airlines are happy to give out
>> free drinks to (well behaved) passengers - because they know that
>> they will soon fall asleep and not cause any further trouble.
>
> A few drinks is just fine. Just don't overdo it.

Fjukwit


bertie

[running with scissors]

Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message >...
> (running with scissors)
> e.com:
>
> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> > >...
> >> (running with scissors)
> >> e.com:
> >>
> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
> >> >> spewed:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
> >> >>
> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
> >> >> and had her killed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
> >> >
> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed... parliament sets
> >> > and repeals laws.. been that way now since, umm.. what 1689.
> >>
> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
> >>
> >> Bertie
> >
> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king and
> > queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making presentations
> > of underage actresses and singers as being "sexy" and having the
> > "sexiest arse" in britain, the country would be in a worse state than
> > it is now.
>
>
> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!

oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful interlude

[running with scissors]

Pooh Bear > wrote in message >...
> Peter Cheeseman wrote:
>
> > "RobsSanta" > wrote in message
> > news:kpLod.156978$G15.92238@fed1read03...
> > > Avoid alcohol - worst thing is do is drink and then sit on a long haul
> > > flight. It dehydrates you faster and you end up feeling like cr*p at the
> > > other end.
> > >
> > > Rob
> >
> > What? Spend a long-haul flight awake and sober? Sounds like torture...
> >
> > That's why civilized (i.e. non-US) airlines are happy to give out free
> > drinks to (well behaved) passengers - because they know that they will soon
> > fall asleep and not cause any further trouble.
>
> A few drinks is just fine. Just don't overdo it.
>
> I made the mistake of drinking a little too much wine with the ( fairly
> respectably decent in business classs ) meal once on a long haul flight. The
> effect is quite different to that at ground level. Didn't actually feel that
> pleasant. I drank a lot of water after that.
>
>
> Graham


didnt happen to take a **** on the galley cart did you ?

[Bertie the Bunyip]

(running with scissors)
e.com:

> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >...
>> (running with scissors)
>> e.com:
>>
>> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> > >...
>> >> (running with scissors)
>> >> e.com:
>> >>
>> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
>> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
>> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
>> >> >> spewed:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
>> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
>> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
>> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
>> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
>> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
>> >> >> and had her killed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
>> >> >
>> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed... parliament
>> >> > sets and repeals laws.. been that way now since, umm.. what
>> >> > 1689.
>> >>
>> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
>> >>
>> >> Bertie
>> >
>> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king and
>> > queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making
>> > presentations of underage actresses and singers as being "sexy" and
>> > having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the country would be in a
>> > worse state than it is now.
>>
>>
>> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
>
> oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful interlude

Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape Coronation
street for him. Noone likes flying with him!

Bertie

[Pooh Bear]

running with scissors wrote:

> Pooh Bear > wrote in message >...
> > Peter Cheeseman wrote:
> >
> > > "RobsSanta" > wrote in message
> > > news:kpLod.156978$G15.92238@fed1read03...
> > > > Avoid alcohol - worst thing is do is drink and then sit on a long haul
> > > > flight. It dehydrates you faster and you end up feeling like cr*p at the
> > > > other end.
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > >
> > > What? Spend a long-haul flight awake and sober? Sounds like torture...
> > >
> > > That's why civilized (i.e. non-US) airlines are happy to give out free
> > > drinks to (well behaved) passengers - because they know that they will soon
> > > fall asleep and not cause any further trouble.
> >
> > A few drinks is just fine. Just don't overdo it.
> >
> > I made the mistake of drinking a little too much wine with the ( fairly
> > respectably decent in business classs ) meal once on a long haul flight. The
> > effect is quite different to that at ground level. Didn't actually feel that
> > pleasant. I drank a lot of water after that.
> >
> >
> > Graham
>
> didnt happen to take a **** on the galley cart did you ?

Do you know someone who did ?

Sounds pretty implausible frankly.


Graham

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Pooh Bear >
:

>
>
> running with scissors wrote:
>
>> Pooh Bear > wrote in message
>> >...
>> > Peter Cheeseman wrote:
>> >
>> > > "RobsSanta" > wrote in message
>> > > news:kpLod.156978$G15.92238@fed1read03...
>> > > > Avoid alcohol - worst thing is do is drink and then sit on a
>> > > > long haul flight. It dehydrates you faster and you end up
>> > > > feeling like cr*p at the other end.
>> > > >
>> > > > Rob
>> > >
>> > > What? Spend a long-haul flight awake and sober? Sounds like
>> > > torture...
>> > >
>> > > That's why civilized (i.e. non-US) airlines are happy to give out
>> > > free drinks to (well behaved) passengers - because they know that
>> > > they will soon fall asleep and not cause any further trouble.
>> >
>> > A few drinks is just fine. Just don't overdo it.
>> >
>> > I made the mistake of drinking a little too much wine with the (
>> > fairly respectably decent in business classs ) meal once on a long
>> > haul flight. The effect is quite different to that at ground level.
>> > Didn't actually feel that pleasant. I drank a lot of water after
>> > that.
>> >
>> >
>> > Graham
>>
>> didnt happen to take a **** on the galley cart did you ?
>
> Do you know someone who did ?
>
> Sounds pretty implausible frankly.

Dumb fjukwit netkkkop.


bertie

[running with scissors]

Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message >...
> (running with scissors)
> e.com:
>
> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> > >...
> >> (running with scissors)
> >> e.com:
> >>
> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> > >...
> >> >> (running with scissors)
> >> >> e.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
> >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
> >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
> >> >> >> spewed:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
> >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
> >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
> >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
> >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
> >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
> >> >> >> and had her killed.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed... parliament
> >> >> > sets and repeals laws.. been that way now since, umm.. what
> >> >> > 1689.
> >> >>
> >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
> >> >>
> >> >> Bertie
> >> >
> >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king and
> >> > queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making
> >> > presentations of underage actresses and singers as being "sexy" and
> >> > having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the country would be in a
> >> > worse state than it is now.
> >>
> >>
> >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
> >
> > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful interlude
>
> Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape Coronation
> street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
>
> Bertie

he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire

[running with scissors]

Pooh Bear > wrote in message >...
> running with scissors wrote:
>
> > Pooh Bear > wrote in message >...
> > > Peter Cheeseman wrote:
> > >
> > > > "RobsSanta" > wrote in message
> > > > news:kpLod.156978$G15.92238@fed1read03...
> > > > > Avoid alcohol - worst thing is do is drink and then sit on a long haul
> > > > > flight. It dehydrates you faster and you end up feeling like cr*p at the
> > > > > other end.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rob
> > > >
> > > > What? Spend a long-haul flight awake and sober? Sounds like torture...
> > > >
> > > > That's why civilized (i.e. non-US) airlines are happy to give out free
> > > > drinks to (well behaved) passengers - because they know that they will soon
> > > > fall asleep and not cause any further trouble.
> > >
> > > A few drinks is just fine. Just don't overdo it.
> > >
> > > I made the mistake of drinking a little too much wine with the ( fairly
> > > respectably decent in business classs ) meal once on a long haul flight. The
> > > effect is quite different to that at ground level. Didn't actually feel that
> > > pleasant. I drank a lot of water after that.
> > >
> > >
> > > Graham
> >
> > didnt happen to take a **** on the galley cart did you ?
>
> Do you know someone who did ?
>
> Sounds pretty implausible frankly.
>
>
> Graham

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/altitude/monday3.html

[Bertie the Bunyip]

(running with scissors)
e.com:

> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >...
>> (running with scissors)
>> e.com:
>>
>> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> > >...
>> >> (running with scissors)
>> >> e.com:
>> >>
>> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> >> > >...
>> >> >> (running with
>> >> >> scissors)
>> >> >> e.com:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
>> >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
>> >> >> >> spewed:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
>> >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
>> >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
>> >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
>> >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
>> >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
>> >> >> >> and had her killed.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed... parliament
>> >> >> > sets and repeals laws.. been that way now since, umm.. what
>> >> >> > 1689.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bertie
>> >> >
>> >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king and
>> >> > queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making
>> >> > presentations of underage actresses and singers as being "sexy"
>> >> > and having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the country would be
>> >> > in a worse state than it is now.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
>> >
>> > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful
>> > interlude
>>
>> Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape
>> Coronation street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
>>
>> Bertie
>
> he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
>

He also wathces all those reality shows.

maybe I'll tell him about Sylvia.


Bertie

[running with scissors]

Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message >...
> (running with scissors)
> e.com:
>
> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> > >...
> >> (running with scissors)
> >> e.com:
> >>
> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> > >...
> >> >> (running with scissors)
> >> >> e.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> >> > >...
> >> >> >> (running with
> >> >> >> scissors)
> >> >> >> e.com:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
> >> >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
> >> >> >> >> spewed:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
> >> >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
> >> >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
> >> >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
> >> >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
> >> >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
> >> >> >> >> and had her killed.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed... parliament
> >> >> >> > sets and repeals laws.. been that way now since, umm.. what
> >> >> >> > 1689.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> >
> >> >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king and
> >> >> > queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making
> >> >> > presentations of underage actresses and singers as being "sexy"
> >> >> > and having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the country would be
> >> >> > in a worse state than it is now.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
> >> >
> >> > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful
> >> > interlude
> >>
> >> Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape
> >> Coronation street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
> >>
> >> Bertie
> >
> > he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
> >
>
> He also wathces all those reality shows.
>
> maybe I'll tell him about Sylvia.
>
>
> Bertie

good grief ! likes radio 1 too i suppose?

[Bertie the Bunyip]

(running with scissors)
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> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >...
>> (running with scissors)
>> e.com:
>>
>> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> > >...
>> >> (running with scissors)
>> >> e.com:
>> >>
>> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> >> > >...
>> >> >> (running with
>> >> >> scissors)
>> >> >> e.com:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> >> >> > >...
>> >> >> >> (running with
>> >> >> >> scissors)
>> >> >> >> e.com:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
>> >> >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
>> >> >> >> >> spewed:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
>> >> >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
>> >> >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
>> >> >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
>> >> >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
>> >> >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
>> >> >> >> >> and had her killed.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed...
>> >> >> >> > parliament sets and repeals laws.. been that way now
>> >> >> >> > since, umm.. what 1689.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Bertie
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king
>> >> >> > and queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making
>> >> >> > presentations of underage actresses and singers as being
>> >> >> > "sexy" and having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the country
>> >> >> > would be in a worse state than it is now.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
>> >> >
>> >> > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful
>> >> > interlude
>> >>
>> >> Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape
>> >> Coronation street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
>> >>
>> >> Bertie
>> >
>> > he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
>> >
>>
>> He also wathces all those reality shows.
>>
>> maybe I'll tell him about Sylvia.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> good grief ! likes radio 1 too i suppose?

Don't know. I'll ask him.

He's pretty hilarious in jut abou tevery wy you can imagine though.
He has about ten mobile phones but no friends..


Bertei

[Ralph Nesbitt]

"C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
news:f_iod.134853$R05.103574@attbi_s53...
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm going on some long flights soon, and would
> really like to do some sleeping during the flights.
>
> But somehow, I can't seem to get comfortable enough
> to get to sleep. I'm 6'3" 280 lbs, and the tiny
> seats are -very- uncomfortable after a few hours.
> (can't afford 1st class)
>
> Can anyone suggest a method or even proper drugs
> I can use to get to sleep so the flights don't seem
> so long?
>
> Thanks for answering here...
>
At 6'8 280 the only possibility outside first class, or business on overseas
flights is to get a cross isle seat on multi isle A/C. The only problem is
the stews waking you up to get by with service carts.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Posting From ADA

[Ralph Nesbitt]

"running with scissors" > wrote in
message om...
> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>...
> > (running with scissors)
> > e.com:
> >
> > > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> > > >...
> > >> (running with scissors)
> > >> e.com:
> > >>
> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> > >> > >...
> > >> >> (running with scissors)
> > >> >> e.com:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
> > >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
> > >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
> > >> >> >> spewed:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
> > >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
> > >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
> > >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
> > >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
> > >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
> > >> >> >> and had her killed.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed... parliament
> > >> >> > sets and repeals laws.. been that way now since, umm.. what
> > >> >> > 1689.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Bertie
> > >> >
> > >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king and
> > >> > queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making
> > >> > presentations of underage actresses and singers as being "sexy" and
> > >> > having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the country would be in a
> > >> > worse state than it is now.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
> > >
> > > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful interlude
> >
> > Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape Coronation
> > street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
> >
> > Bertie
>
> he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
>
Be careful what you offer, you may not be able to get away from him.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Posting From ADA

[Ralph Nesbitt]

"running with scissors" > wrote in
message m...
> Pooh Bear > wrote in message
>...
> > running with scissors wrote:
> >
> > > Pooh Bear > wrote in message
>...
> > > > Peter Cheeseman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "RobsSanta" > wrote in message
> > > > > news:kpLod.156978$G15.92238@fed1read03...
> > > > > > Avoid alcohol - worst thing is do is drink and then sit on a
long haul
> > > > > > flight. It dehydrates you faster and you end up feeling like
cr*p at the
> > > > > > other end.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rob
> > > > >
> > > > > What? Spend a long-haul flight awake and sober? Sounds like
torture...
> > > > >
> > > > > That's why civilized (i.e. non-US) airlines are happy to give out
free
> > > > > drinks to (well behaved) passengers - because they know that they
will soon
> > > > > fall asleep and not cause any further trouble.
> > > >
> > > > A few drinks is just fine. Just don't overdo it.
> > > >
> > > > I made the mistake of drinking a little too much wine with the (
fairly
> > > > respectably decent in business classs ) meal once on a long haul
flight. The
> > > > effect is quite different to that at ground level. Didn't actually
feel that
> > > > pleasant. I drank a lot of water after that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Graham
> > >
> > > didnt happen to take a **** on the galley cart did you ?
> >
> > Do you know someone who did ?
> >
> > Sounds pretty implausible frankly.
> >
> >
> > Graham
>
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/altitude/monday3.html
>
Wasn't the pax involved some kind of High Class Muckety Muck? IRC this
incident became a high profile scandal.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Posting From ADA

[Bertie the Bunyip]

"Ralph Nesbitt" >
y.com:

>
> "running with scissors" >
> wrote in message
> om...
>> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >...
>> > (running with scissors)
>> > e.com:
>> >
>> > > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> > > >...
>> > >> (running with scissors)
>> > >> e.com:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> > >> > >...
>> > >> >> (running with
>> > >> >> scissors)
>> > >> >> e.com:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
>> > >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
>> > >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
>> > >> >> >> spewed:
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
>> > >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
>> > >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
>> > >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
>> > >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
>> > >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
>> > >> >> >> and had her killed.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed...
>> > >> >> > parliament sets and repeals laws.. been that way now since,
>> > >> >> > umm.. what 1689.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Bertie
>> > >> >
>> > >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king
>> > >> > and queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making
>> > >> > presentations of underage actresses and singers as being
>> > >> > "sexy" and having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the country
>> > >> > would be in a worse state than it is now.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
>> > >
>> > > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful
>> > > interlude
>> >
>> > Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape
>> > Coronation street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
>> >
>> > Bertie
>>
>> he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
>>
> Be careful what you offer, you may not be able to get away from him.

When i was told i hd to change types again, one of the first thoughts that
occured to me is that I would never have to fly with this tit again!

"Pay cut? OK, change of base? well, Idon't like it,but..No more FO BORING?

Yehooo!




Bertie

[running with scissors]

Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message >...
> (running with scissors)
> e.com:
>
> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> > >...
> >> (running with scissors)
> >> e.com:
> >>
> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> > >...
> >> >> (running with scissors)
> >> >> e.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> >> > >...
> >> >> >> (running with
> >> >> >> scissors)
> >> >> >> e.com:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
> >> >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
> >> >> >> >> spewed:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
> >> >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
> >> >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
> >> >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
> >> >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
> >> >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
> >> >> >> >> and had her killed.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed... parliament
> >> >> >> > sets and repeals laws.. been that way now since, umm.. what
> >> >> >> > 1689.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> >
> >> >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king and
> >> >> > queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making
> >> >> > presentations of underage actresses and singers as being "sexy"
> >> >> > and having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the country would be
> >> >> > in a worse state than it is now.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
> >> >
> >> > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful
> >> > interlude
> >>
> >> Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape
> >> Coronation street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
> >>
> >> Bertie
> >
> > he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
> >
>
> He also wathces all those reality shows.
>
> maybe I'll tell him about Sylvia.
>
>
> Bertie


figures ~

[running with scissors]

Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message >...
> (running with scissors)
> .com:
>
> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> > >...
> >> (running with scissors)
> >> e.com:
> >>
> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> > >...
> >> >> (running with scissors)
> >> >> e.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> >> > >...
> >> >> >> (running with
> >> >> >> scissors)
> >> >> >> e.com:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > >...
> >> >> >> >> (running with
> >> >> >> >> scissors)
> >> >> >> >> e.com:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
> >> >> >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
> >> >> >> >> >> spewed:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
> >> >> >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
> >> >> >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
> >> >> >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
> >> >> >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
> >> >> >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
> >> >> >> >> >> and had her killed.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed...
> >> >> >> >> > parliament sets and repeals laws.. been that way now
> >> >> >> >> > since, umm.. what 1689.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Bertie
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king
> >> >> >> > and queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making
> >> >> >> > presentations of underage actresses and singers as being
> >> >> >> > "sexy" and having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the country
> >> >> >> > would be in a worse state than it is now.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful
> >> >> > interlude
> >> >>
> >> >> Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape
> >> >> Coronation street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
> >> >>
> >> >> Bertie
> >> >
> >> > he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
> >> >
> >>
> >> He also wathces all those reality shows.
> >>
> >> maybe I'll tell him about Sylvia.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bertie
> >
> > good grief ! likes radio 1 too i suppose?
>
> Don't know. I'll ask him.
>
> He's pretty hilarious in jut abou tevery wy you can imagine though.
> He has about ten mobile phones but no friends..
>
>
> Bertei

hoping that "dial-a-bride" in the philippines will call and confirm his payment?

[Bertie the Bunyip]

(running with scissors)
e.com:

> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >...
>> (running with scissors)
>> .com:
>>
>> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> > >...
>> >> (running with scissors)
>> >> e.com:
>> >>
>> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> >> > >...
>> >> >> (running with
>> >> >> scissors)
>> >> >> e.com:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> >> >> > >...
>> >> >> >> (running with
>> >> >> >> scissors)
>> >> >> >> e.com:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > >...
>> >> >> >> >> (running with
>> >> >> >> >> scissors)
>> >> >> >> >> e.com:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
>> >> >> >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
>> >> >> >> >> >> spewed:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
>> >> >> >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
>> >> >> >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
>> >> >> >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
>> >> >> >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
>> >> >> >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
>> >> >> >> >> >> and had her killed.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little
>> >> >> >> >> >> country...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed...
>> >> >> >> >> > parliament sets and repeals laws.. been that way now
>> >> >> >> >> > since, umm.. what 1689.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Bertie
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be
>> >> >> >> > king and queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while
>> >> >> >> > making presentations of underage actresses and singers as
>> >> >> >> > being "sexy" and having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the
>> >> >> >> > country would be in a worse state than it is now.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful
>> >> >> > interlude
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape
>> >> >> Coronation street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bertie
>> >> >
>> >> > he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> He also wathces all those reality shows.
>> >>
>> >> maybe I'll tell him about Sylvia.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bertie
>> >
>> > good grief ! likes radio 1 too i suppose?
>>
>> Don't know. I'll ask him.
>>
>> He's pretty hilarious in jut abou tevery wy you can imagine though.
>> He has about ten mobile phones but no friends..
>>
>>
>> Bertei
>
> hoping that "dial-a-bride" in the philippines will call and confirm
> his payment?

Snort!

Well, having said that, it's unusual to get a guy you really can't bear on
a trip.
Thank god!

Bertie

[running with scissors]

Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message >...
> "Ralph Nesbitt" >
> y.com:
>
> >
> > "running with scissors" >
> > wrote in message
> > om...
> >> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >...
> >> > (running with scissors)
> >> > e.com:
> >> >
> >> > > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> > > >...
> >> > >> (running with scissors)
> >> > >> e.com:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> > >> > >...
> >> > >> >> (running with
> >> > >> >> scissors)
> >> > >> >> e.com:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
> >> > >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
> >> > >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
> >> > >> >> >> spewed:
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
> >> > >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
> >> > >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
> >> > >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
> >> > >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
> >> > >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
> >> > >> >> >> and had her killed.
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed...
> >> > >> >> > parliament sets and repeals laws.. been that way now since,
> >> > >> >> > umm.. what 1689.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Bertie
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king
> >> > >> > and queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making
> >> > >> > presentations of underage actresses and singers as being
> >> > >> > "sexy" and having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the country
> >> > >> > would be in a worse state than it is now.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
> >> > >
> >> > > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful
> >> > > interlude
> >> >
> >> > Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape
> >> > Coronation street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
> >> >
> >> > Bertie
> >>
> >> he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
> >>
> > Be careful what you offer, you may not be able to get away from him.
>
> When i was told i hd to change types again, one of the first thoughts that
> occured to me is that I would never have to fly with this tit again!
>
> "Pay cut? OK, change of base? well, Idon't like it,but..No more FO BORING?
>
> Yehooo!
>
>
>
>
> Bertie

you know the three things that make the perfect trip???



The capatin has bowel movement.
the first office finds a descent meal for under three bucks.
and the flight engineer gets to screw a flight attendant.

[Bertie the Bunyip]

(running with scissors)
e.com:

> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >...
>> "Ralph Nesbitt" >
>> y.com:
>>
>> >
>> > "running with scissors" >
>> > wrote in message
>> > om...
>> >> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> >...
>> >> > (running with scissors)
>> >> > e.com:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> >> > > >...
>> >> > >> (running with
>> >> > >> scissors)
>> >> > >> e.com:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> >> > >> > >...
>> >> > >> >> (running with
>> >> > >> >> scissors)
>> >> > >> >> e.com:
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
>> >> > >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
>> >> > >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
>> >> > >> >> >> spewed:
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
>> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
>> >> > >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
>> >> > >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
>> >> > >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
>> >> > >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
>> >> > >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
>> >> > >> >> >> and had her killed.
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little
>> >> > >> >> >> country...
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed...
>> >> > >> >> > parliament sets and repeals laws.. been that way now
>> >> > >> >> > since, umm.. what 1689.
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Bertie
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be
>> >> > >> > king and queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while
>> >> > >> > making presentations of underage actresses and singers as
>> >> > >> > being "sexy" and having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the
>> >> > >> > country would be in a worse state than it is now.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful
>> >> > > interlude
>> >> >
>> >> > Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape
>> >> > Coronation street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
>> >> >
>> >> > Bertie
>> >>
>> >> he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
>> >>
>> > Be careful what you offer, you may not be able to get away from
>> > him.
>>
>> When i was told i hd to change types again, one of the first thoughts
>> that occured to me is that I would never have to fly with this tit
>> again!
>>
>> "Pay cut? OK, change of base? well, Idon't like it,but..No more FO
>> BORING?
>>
>> Yehooo!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> you know the three things that make the perfect trip???
>
>
>
> The capatin has bowel movement.
> the first office finds a descent meal for under three bucks.
> and the flight engineer gets to screw a flight attendant.
>

Mmm, yeh..


Bertie

[Ralph Nesbitt]

"Bertie the Bunyip" <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
...
> "Ralph Nesbitt" >
> y.com:
>
> >
> > "running with scissors" >
> > wrote in message
> > om...
> >> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> > >...
> >> > (running with scissors)
> >> > e.com:
> >> >
> >> > > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> > > >...
> >> > >> (running with scissors)
> >> > >> e.com:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> >> > >> > >...
> >> > >> >> (running with
> >> > >> >> scissors)
> >> > >> >> e.com:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
> >> > >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
> >> > >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
> >> > >> >> >> spewed:
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
> >> > >> >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
> >> > >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
> >> > >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
> >> > >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
> >> > >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
> >> > >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
> >> > >> >> >> and had her killed.
> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little country...
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed...
> >> > >> >> > parliament sets and repeals laws.. been that way now since,
> >> > >> >> > umm.. what 1689.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Bertie
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be king
> >> > >> > and queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while making
> >> > >> > presentations of underage actresses and singers as being
> >> > >> > "sexy" and having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the country
> >> > >> > would be in a worse state than it is now.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
> >> > >
> >> > > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful
> >> > > interlude
> >> >
> >> > Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape
> >> > Coronation street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
> >> >
> >> > Bertie
> >>
> >> he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
> >>
> > Be careful what you offer, you may not be able to get away from him.
>
> When i was told i hd to change types again, one of the first thoughts that
> occured to me is that I would never have to fly with this tit again!
>
> "Pay cut? OK, change of base? well, Idon't like it,but..No more FO BORING?
>
> Yehooo!
>
> Bertie
>
Pay cut, "ouch" but beats no pay at all.

Change of base: Makes getting to/from reporting station more interesting.
Used to have a neighbor with UA that flew from SFO.

No more FO: Let someone else have the headaches.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Posting From ADA

[Bertie the Bunyip]

"Ralph Nesbitt" >
y.com:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
> ...
>> "Ralph Nesbitt" >
>> y.com:
>>
>> >
>> > "running with scissors" >
>> > wrote in message
>> > om...
>> >> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> > >...
>> >> > (running with scissors)
>> >> > e.com:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> >> > > >...
>> >> > >> (running with
>> >> > >> scissors)
>> >> > >> e.com:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote in message
>> >> > >> > >...
>> >> > >> >> (running with
>> >> > >> >> scissors)
>> >> > >> >> e.com:
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> > (C. Osbourne) wrote in message
>> >> > >> >> > news:<wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53>...
>> >> > >> >> >> The ever gay "Thomas" >
>> >> > >> >> >> spewed:
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >> >Yeahy, don't sit next to me you fat *******.
>> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> That's what we'd expect to hear from a limp-wristed
>> >> > >> >> >> yellow-toothed brit faggot, like yourself, 'Thomas"
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> Maybe your mommie will let you go out and play some
>> >> > >> >> >> cricket, britian's feminine sport that suits you and
>> >> > >> >> >> your bull dagger 'queen' just fine...
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> That queen has more balls than her sexually confused
>> >> > >> >> >> son, "charles". The only straight one in the whole
>> >> > >> >> >> house of Windsor was Dianna, who they couldn't stand,
>> >> > >> >> >> and had her killed.
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> Nice family, ya got running your ****ty little
>> >> > >> >> >> country...
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> > uh huh! hadnt you heard, its all been changed...
>> >> > >> >> > parliament sets and repeals laws.. been that way now
>> >> > >> >> > since, umm.. what 1689.
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> They do? I always thought it was the Sun that did that...
>> >> > >> >>
>> >> > >> >> Bertie
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > god forbid! david and victoria "posh" beckham would be
>> >> > >> > king and queen; with the obscession with pedophiles, while
>> >> > >> > making presentations of underage actresses and singers as
>> >> > >> > being "sexy" and having the "sexiest arse" in britain, the
>> >> > >> > country would be in a worse state than it is now.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I thinkn it's pretty much as you described already!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > oh well theres alway corrie and eastenders for a delightful
>> >> > > interlude
>> >> >
>> >> > Ewww. We have a copilot that gets someone in the UK to tape
>> >> > Coronation street for him. Noone likes flying with him!
>> >> >
>> >> > Bertie
>> >>
>> >> he should be bound to a post and whipped with barbed wire
>> >>
>> > Be careful what you offer, you may not be able to get away from
>> > him.
>>
>> When i was told i hd to change types again, one of the first thoughts
>> that occured to me is that I would never have to fly with this tit
>> again!
>>
>> "Pay cut? OK, change of base? well, Idon't like it,but..No more FO
>> BORING?
>>
>> Yehooo!
>>
>> Bertie
>>
> Pay cut, "ouch" but beats no pay at all.

True..

>
> Change of base: Makes getting to/from reporting station more
> interesting. Used to have a neighbor with UA that flew from SFO.

PITA!. I like to roll out of bed and into my airplane. Positioning is a
major PITA except when you get on a sector that has first class, of course.

>
> No more FO: Let someone else have the headaches.

Oh this kid is going to be found dead in his room on an overnight some
day..

Bertie

[[email protected]]

door locked from the inside, an orange in his mouth and his belt around
his neck ?

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Now there's an image.


Bertie

[Sylvia Else]

Makes me hot!!!!!



Sylvia

[[email protected]]

Road_Hog wrote:
> "C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
> news:wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53...
>
> Hey, Fat boy, nice guy you got running your ****ty little country.
>
> Go eat another family meal by yourself. No wonder your country is so
big.
>
> Sounds like you've already been super sized, bloater boy.


Don't act so superior, my observation is this. On long international
flights is not the fat americans that are the problem. Its all the
europeans that seem to have an aversion to deordorant. Jesus Christ
people this is the 21st century, I know you have access to running
water and soap. So please after your shower use some deodorant. have
some compassion for the rest of us who get stuck sitting next to your
foul carcasses.

What amazes me even more is the fact that you all seem to be oblivious
to it. Should someone say something to you about it, well instead of
being embarrassed you get highly offened and you think its rude. Well
let me clue you in, its rude to stink it offends other people.

I still find it incredible that here in the civilized west, there is
still a group of people who flaunt their ethnicity on the wind so well.


Oh and by the way we american may be the fattest people on the planet
but all indications are is that you brits are running a close second.
Trollsbane

[vincent p. norris]

> So please after your shower use some deodorant.

Do your homework. If a person bathes or showers daily, and puts on
clean clothing, he needs no deodorant. It takes 24 hours for odor to
form.

vince norris

[Morgans]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> > So please after your shower use some deodorant.
>
> Do your homework. If a person bathes or showers daily, and puts on
> clean clothing, he needs no deodorant. It takes 24 hours for odor to
> form.
>
> vince norris

Bull. If the person does not get hot, perhaps.
--
Jim in NC

[kage]

Dream on, do you notice people lind of stepping back from you when you show
up?



KG
"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
>> So please after your shower use some deodorant.
>
> Do your homework. If a person bathes or showers daily, and puts on
> clean clothing, he needs no deodorant. It takes 24 hours for odor to
> form.
>
> vince norris

[[email protected]]

vincent p. norris wrote:
> > So please after your shower use some deodorant.
>
> Do your homework. If a person bathes or showers daily, and puts on
> clean clothing, he needs no deodorant. It takes 24 hours for odor to
> form.
>
> vince norris
>
>
I've done my homework. Body odor is caused by bacteria and most
commercial soaps do a poor job of killing that bacteria. So unless you
use some kind of deoderant your body odor will return quite quickly.
Its more like 4 to 6 hours on average. Of course it varies from person
to person depending on physical activity, diet and other variables.
>
>
Trollsbane

[[email protected]]

vincent p. norris wrote:
> > So please after your shower use some deodorant.
>
> Do your homework. If a person bathes or showers daily, and puts on
> clean clothing, he needs no deodorant. It takes 24 hours for odor to
> form.
>
> vince norris
>
>
I've done my homework. Body odor is caused by bacteria and most
commercial soaps do a poor job of killing that bacteria. So unless you
use some kind of deoderant your body odor will return quite quickly.
Its more like 4 to 6 hours on average. Of course it varies from person
to person depending on physical activity, diet and other variables.
>
>
Trollsbane

[Thomas Borchert]

Vincent,

> It takes 24 hours for odor to
> form.
>

Well, not on my body.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[vincent p. norris]

> If a person bathes or showers daily, and puts on clean clothing, he needs no deodorant.

I have several sources for that statement. One is a book on running
by a surgeon who said he ran about five miles to the hospital, toweled
off, and put on his "doctor" clothes without showering. He showered
when he got home after a day's work. It may have been in James Fixx's
book, but I'm not certain it was that one.

Another source was an article in _Smithsonian_ magazine. It dealt
primarily with pheromones but included the statement about human
perspiration. That was perhaps 15 years ago but you could probably
find the article easily in an index.

Another "source" (a live one) is a woman member of our running group.
Like the surgeon, above, she just changed to her "office' clothes,
drying off in the process, and worked all day. Occasionally we would
get together at quitting time, about eight hours later, for a couple
of beers. Neither I nor any other member of the group noticed any
unpleasant odor.

Consumer Reports, some time ago, told readers there was no need to buy
soaps like "Dial" that claim all sorts of antibacterial properties,
because ordinary soaps, if used regularly, do an adequate job of
suppressing odor-causing bacteria.

You've been brainwashed by the companies that make a fortune scaring
you into thinking you'll stink if you don't buy their product. You've
heard it so many times you believe it.

vince norris

[Thomas Borchert]

Vincent,

> You've been brainwashed by the companies that make a fortune scaring
> you into thinking you'll stink if you don't buy their product. You've
> heard it so many times you believe it.
>

Nope, I simply put more trust in my nose than in some poster on usenet.
Would you do it differently?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[vincent p. norris]

>Nope, I simply put more trust in my nose than in some poster on usenet.
>Would you do it differently?

No reason you should trust me; you have no idea who I am. That's why
I cited sources, most of which you can check.

But you can't trust your nose, either. A great deal of research has
demonstrated that.

vince norris

[Gizzy]

Just tossing in my 2 cents here, but having lived in Germany for 5 years
and having been to france and england, I can tell you that america is not
the fattest country.
If it is then Germany comes in a close second. With all that yeast beer,
french fries, schnitzel and tons of other fattening foods, not american
McDonalds, this is stuff that these people have been eating for years.
There are ALLOT of very obese people in europe - and the UK, they have some
of the, well, thickest girls I have seen outside of samoans.


wrote:

> Road_Hog wrote:
> > "C. Osbourne" > wrote in message
> > news:wAgpd.147926$R05.31243@attbi_s53...
> >
> > Hey, Fat boy, nice guy you got running your ****ty little country.
> >
> > Go eat another family meal by yourself. No wonder your country is so
> big.
> >
> > Sounds like you've already been super sized, bloater boy.
>
> Don't act so superior, my observation is this. On long international
> flights is not the fat americans that are the problem. Its all the
> europeans that seem to have an aversion to deordorant. Jesus Christ
> people this is the 21st century, I know you have access to running
> water and soap. So please after your shower use some deodorant. have
> some compassion for the rest of us who get stuck sitting next to your
> foul carcasses.
>
> What amazes me even more is the fact that you all seem to be oblivious
> to it. Should someone say something to you about it, well instead of
> being embarrassed you get highly offened and you think its rude. Well
> let me clue you in, its rude to stink it offends other people.
>
> I still find it incredible that here in the civilized west, there is
> still a group of people who flaunt their ethnicity on the wind so well.
>
> Oh and by the way we american may be the fattest people on the planet
> but all indications are is that you brits are running a close second.
> Trollsbane