E6B vs. Jepp CR-3 "hand propped" Flight Compters.

[Bill Denton]

I am currently using a Jepp CR-3, but I'm working on my Christmas list and
I'm wondering if I should add an E6B.

Does one have any advantages over the other as far as real life, training,
exams, go?

As a separate issue, I am also looking at the Jepp TechStar, the CX-2
Pathfinder, and Sporty's electronic flight computers.

Any recommendations?

TIA

[BTIZ]

well.. a CR-3 and an E6B is exactly the same on the front.. I did find the
"reverse" or wind correction, ground speed side of the E6B is easier to use.

But now, if you are talking ELECTRONIC, then any of the others are as good
as each other. Name Brands.. but.. I'm always chasing batteries when ever I
need my Electronic E6B.

The "hand propped" or manual "slide rule" computers are not on dead
batteries when needed.

BT

"Bill Denton" > wrote in message
...
>I am currently using a Jepp CR-3, but I'm working on my Christmas list and
> I'm wondering if I should add an E6B.
>
> Does one have any advantages over the other as far as real life, training,
> exams, go?
>
> As a separate issue, I am also looking at the Jepp TechStar, the CX-2
> Pathfinder, and Sporty's electronic flight computers.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
>

[Slip'er]

> Any recommendations?

On your Christmas list, ask for a nice watch with an E6B on the bezel. They
are small but you are likely to always have it with you and in position to
use. When you are stuck somewhere bored, you can practice and not look TOO
silly.

Carl.

[CrazyBear]

I have both E6B and CR-3. I like the CR-3 its easy to carry in my
kneeboard and once you understand how the wind side works its easier
than the E6B.

C. White
Student Pilot - ASEL


"Bill Denton" > wrote in message >...
> I am currently using a Jepp CR-3, but I'm working on my Christmas list and
> I'm wondering if I should add an E6B.
>
> Does one have any advantages over the other as far as real life, training,
> exams, go?
>
> As a separate issue, I am also looking at the Jepp TechStar, the CX-2
> Pathfinder, and Sporty's electronic flight computers.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> TIA

[Cockpit Colin]

> As a separate issue, I am also looking at the Jepp TechStar, the CX-2
> Pathfinder, and Sporty's electronic flight computers.

I purchased one of the large format E6B Electronic computers from Sporty's -
ended up sending it back and getting a CX-2 which I'm very happy with
(although I don't know why they can't make them 1/2 the thickness). The E6B
was confusing to operate and (despite that) had a fault where the thin
aluminium key surround came unstuck in the middle and was actually higher
than the top of the key - very poor design and quality. I haven't seen a
pathfinder, but I did read a review that said the contrast / font made the
unit all but impossible to read in anything but ideal conditions - although
someone else commented that they were very happy with it.

[Corky Scott]

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:47:07 -0600, "Bill Denton"
> wrote:

>I am currently using a Jepp CR-3, but I'm working on my Christmas list and
>I'm wondering if I should add an E6B.
>
>Does one have any advantages over the other as far as real life, training,
>exams, go?
>
>As a separate issue, I am also looking at the Jepp TechStar, the CX-2
>Pathfinder, and Sporty's electronic flight computers.
>
>Any recommendations?

Does anyone actually use an E6B anymore? If so, what for?

Corky (just wondering) Scott

[Rolf Blom]

On 2004-11-29 15:37, Corky Scott wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:47:07 -0600, "Bill Denton"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I am currently using a Jepp CR-3, but I'm working on my Christmas list and
>>I'm wondering if I should add an E6B.
>>
>>Does one have any advantages over the other as far as real life, training,
>>exams, go?
>>
>>As a separate issue, I am also looking at the Jepp TechStar, the CX-2
>>Pathfinder, and Sporty's electronic flight computers.
>>
>>Any recommendations?
>
>
> Does anyone actually use an E6B anymore? If so, what for?
>
> Corky (just wondering) Scott

A pilot at my club claims the only time he used the E6B after getting
his electronic nav-tools, was when he was landing on a snowy field and
couldn't get good visual references to ground.

He threw out the E6B, and it landed flat on the ground, making a nice
visible reference point (it has a red skin cover) for the landing.

/Rolf

[Jose]

> Does anyone actually use an E6B anymore? If so, what for?

I use it all the time for flight planning, just like I always did.
The analog face is much easier to use than digital, and once set, I
can read off many answers with no further input. It doesn't need
batteries, it won't break if I drop it, and I have more of a sense
that it is me that is doing the planning, and not some computer.

Jose
--
Freedom. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Corky Scott]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:04:50 GMT, Jose >
wrote:

>> Does anyone actually use an E6B anymore? If so, what for?
>
>I use it all the time for flight planning, just like I always did.
>The analog face is much easier to use than digital, and once set, I
>can read off many answers with no further input. It doesn't need
>batteries, it won't break if I drop it, and I have more of a sense
>that it is me that is doing the planning, and not some computer.
>
>Jose

What part of the flight planning do you use it for? Are you in
training or have you already gotten your PPL?

Thanks, Corky Scott

[Jose]

>> I use [the E6B] all the time for flight planning, just like I always did.

> What part of the flight planning do you use it for? Are you in
> training or have you already gotten your PPL?

I have my PPL (SEL), instrument rating, and 800 hours. I like to fly
low, so more detailled flight planning is necessary than if I just
pointed my nose into the sky and survey the world from 6500 feet. I
use VFR checkpoints every 10-30 minutes, depending on landmarks, and
use it for calculating time for each leg, wind correction angle,
estimated ground speed (which impacts fuel stops; I also use airnav
and the telephone for gas prices and availability - fifteen miles can
mean a hundred dollars difference in fuel costs), and just about
everything except weight and balance (for which I use CoPilot on my Palm)

Once in the air, I'll keep track of my times to next checkpoint in the
flight log, but I use mental estimates (and the GPS if I feel lazy) to
do any calculations I need. But most of the time I'm looking out the
window.

IFR I do the same thing, except that most of the time I'm copying down
amended clearances, negating most of the preflight planning. :)

Jose
--
Freedom. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Paul Hirose]

Bill Denton wrote:
>
> I am currently using a Jepp CR-3, but I'm working on my Christmas list and
> I'm wondering if I should add an E6B.

For high speeds the CR computers have an advantage. They correct for
compressibility, and temperature rise at the OAT probe too.

On the other hand, I think wind problems are easier on an E-6B because
you read GS and WCA directly off the instrument after plotting the
wind dot and setting course. The CR solves for wind in a completely
different way, which saves a lot of space but makes more demands on
the user.

Since you're interested enough to ask, why not go ahead and get an
E-6B? It's not like they're a high cost item.

Or you could buy a military whiz wheel on eBay. I see them there
frequently.

--

Paul Hirose >
To reply by email delete INVALID from address.

[Bill Denton]

I'm not supposed to know this, but my girlfriend is going to our
neighborhood Seiko dealer tonight.

I've got my fingers crossed...



"Slip'er" > wrote in message
news:IFuqd.178810$hj.94070@fed1read07...
> > Any recommendations?
>
> On your Christmas list, ask for a nice watch with an E6B on the bezel.
They
> are small but you are likely to always have it with you and in position to
> use. When you are stuck somewhere bored, you can practice and not look
TOO
> silly.
>
> Carl.
>
>

[Slip'er]

> Does anyone actually use an E6B anymore? If so, what for?


Maybe it is just me...I like taildraggers, I like radial engines, and I like
my E6B. I use it all the time for flight planning and keep it handy in the
cockpit.

Carl.

[David Reinhart]

Two reasons: I can work it with one hand and the batteries never die!
Additional reason: I have an aluminium model so it's also very impervious to
heat, unlike an electronic E6B.

Dave Reinhart


Corky Scott wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:47:07 -0600, "Bill Denton"
> > wrote:
>
> >I am currently using a Jepp CR-3, but I'm working on my Christmas list and
> >I'm wondering if I should add an E6B.
> >
> >Does one have any advantages over the other as far as real life, training,
> >exams, go?
> >
> >As a separate issue, I am also looking at the Jepp TechStar, the CX-2
> >Pathfinder, and Sporty's electronic flight computers.
> >
> >Any recommendations?
>
> Does anyone actually use an E6B anymore? If so, what for?
>
> Corky (just wondering) Scott

[zatatime]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:37:56 -0500, Corky Scott
> wrote:

>Does anyone actually use an E6B anymore? If so, what for?


Yep. Have had the same one for about 20 years. I use it for all my
flight planning, and sometimes when I can't find my calculator to do
math.

z

[zatatime]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:34:13 -0800, "Slip'er" >
wrote:

>> Does anyone actually use an E6B anymore? If so, what for?
>
>
>Maybe it is just me...I like taildraggers, I like radial engines, and I like
>my E6B. I use it all the time for flight planning and keep it handy in the
>cockpit.
>
>Carl.
>

Nope, not just you, but we are getting more scarce.

z

[BTIZ]

taking tests?

BT

"Corky Scott" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:47:07 -0600, "Bill Denton"
> > wrote:
>
>>I am currently using a Jepp CR-3, but I'm working on my Christmas list and
>>I'm wondering if I should add an E6B.
>>
>>Does one have any advantages over the other as far as real life, training,
>>exams, go?
>>
>>As a separate issue, I am also looking at the Jepp TechStar, the CX-2
>>Pathfinder, and Sporty's electronic flight computers.
>>
>>Any recommendations?
>
> Does anyone actually use an E6B anymore? If so, what for?
>
> Corky (just wondering) Scott

[Bill Denton]

Thanks to all for your advice. I may just go ahead and pick up an E6B, just
to play with, if nothing else!



"Bill Denton" > wrote in message
...
> I am currently using a Jepp CR-3, but I'm working on my Christmas list and
> I'm wondering if I should add an E6B.
>
> Does one have any advantages over the other as far as real life, training,
> exams, go?
>
> As a separate issue, I am also looking at the Jepp TechStar, the CX-2
> Pathfinder, and Sporty's electronic flight computers.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
>

[Brian Burger]

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Bill Denton wrote:

> Thanks to all for your advice. I may just go ahead and pick up an E6B, just
> to play with, if nothing else!

If you're just wanting a 'test' E6B, see if you can get one of the
'student model' cardboard & plastic ones; they're about a third the price
of a 'real' aluminum/plastic E6B, have identical functions, and are
surprisingly tough.

200hrs+ into flying, I'm still using my slightly battered, coffee-marked
'student' cardboard E6B, because I haven't gotten around to buying myself a
'real' one... after I do buy an aluminum E6B, I'll keep the cardboard one
on my desk for flightplanning and fiddling...

Brian
PP-ASEL/Night

[Mike Rapoport]

"Brian Burger" > wrote in message
ia.tc.ca...
> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Bill Denton wrote:
>
>> Thanks to all for your advice. I may just go ahead and pick up an E6B,
>> just
>> to play with, if nothing else!
>
> If you're just wanting a 'test' E6B, see if you can get one of the
> 'student model' cardboard & plastic ones; they're about a third the price
> of a 'real' aluminum/plastic E6B, have identical functions, and are
> surprisingly tough.
>
> 200hrs+ into flying, I'm still using my slightly battered, coffee-marked
> 'student' cardboard E6B, because I haven't gotten around to buying myself
> a
> 'real' one... after I do buy an aluminum E6B, I'll keep the cardboard one
> on my desk for flightplanning and fiddling...
>
> Brian
> PP-ASEL/Night
>

I never used an E6B until recently and now think that it is pretty cool. I
bought a large aluminium one and would like to find an old (WWII) one.
Whoever came up with it was pretty clever!

Mike
MU-2