Sun'n Fun Used to Be the Gathering of the Good Ol' Boys of Flying

[jls]

'Taint now. Get ready to have your wallet plucked. And that rule about
ice chests and backpacks, that's so you'll not be bringing in your beer at
$5 a sixpack from the supermarket down the street. You'll need to buy it
at $4 per beer and $10 per hamburger on premises.

A fool and his money are soon parted. But, hey, you'll get a 5% discount on
your avgas on the way down.

[Dave S]

So.. if Im camping on site, I cant have an ice chest?


jls wrote:
> 'Taint now. Get ready to have your wallet plucked. And that rule about
> ice chests and backpacks, that's so you'll not be bringing in your beer at
> $5 a sixpack from the supermarket down the street. You'll need to buy it
> at $4 per beer and $10 per hamburger on premises.
>
> A fool and his money are soon parted. But, hey, you'll get a 5% discount on
> your avgas on the way down.
>
>

[D. Grunloh]

jls wrote:

> 'Taint now. Get ready to have your wallet plucked. And that rule about
> ice chests and backpacks, that's so you'll not be bringing in your beer at
> $5 a sixpack from the supermarket down the street. You'll need to buy it
> at $4 per beer and $10 per hamburger on premises.

Don't know about the fly-ins but drive-in camping is great. You can have
all the beer chests and food you want. Drive your car loaded up with
goodies right to the campsite. There is lots of food on site beside
hamburgers but it's mostly high fat foods not good for you anyway.
I always stock up on dried and fresh fruits and canned goods. Don't
really need it there are many friends cooking in the campground.
Also venders and parties in the campgrounds, fish fry, chili, corn on the cob,

I seldom have to cook much!

--dan grunloh (our camp has the hooch lights)



>
>
> A fool and his money are soon parted. But, hey, you'll get a 5% discount on
> your avgas on the way down.

[Ed Wischmeyer]

> 'Taint now. Get ready to have your wallet plucked. And that rule
about
> ice chests and backpacks, that's so you'll not be bringing in your beer
at
> $5 a sixpack from the supermarket down the street. You'll need to buy
it
> at $4 per beer and $10 per hamburger on premises.
>
> A fool and his money are soon parted. But, hey, you'll get a 5% discount
on
> your avgas on the way down.

Whiner! and the rule about backpacks has been rescinded. Backpacks may,
however, be subject to inspection for security reasons.

Ed Wischmeyer

[Charlie England]

Ed Wischmeyer wrote:

>> 'Taint now. Get ready to have your wallet plucked. And that rule
>
> about
>
>> ice chests and backpacks, that's so you'll not be bringing in your beer
>
> at
>
>> $5 a sixpack from the supermarket down the street. You'll need to buy
>
> it
>
>> at $4 per beer and $10 per hamburger on premises.
>>
>> A fool and his money are soon parted. But, hey, you'll get a 5% discount
>
> on
>
>> your avgas on the way down.
>
>
> Whiner! and the rule about backpacks has been rescinded. Backpacks may,
> however, be subject to inspection for security reasons.
>
> Ed Wischmeyer
If the Founding Fathers hadn't whined (and then acted) we wouldn't have
such a great country.

(If a lot of people hadn't started whining loudly about the backpack
restriction, it would still be in effect.

If we don't whine a lot more, we will continue to lose our freedoms to
move about & maintain our privacy.

Charlie

[jls]

"Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
news:2004032706194375249%edwisch@alummitedu...
> > 'Taint now. Get ready to have your wallet plucked. And that rule
> about
> > ice chests and backpacks, that's so you'll not be bringing in your beer
> at
> > $5 a sixpack from the supermarket down the street. You'll need to buy
> it
> > at $4 per beer and $10 per hamburger on premises.
> >
> > A fool and his money are soon parted. But, hey, you'll get a 5%
discount
> on
> > your avgas on the way down.
>
> Whiner!

Now this is the kind of response from a little parasite who's a gutless,
weaselly insider and knows how it all works, including how to turn a ragged
out Cessna into an award-winner. If any of you don't know who Whizzmire
is, you ought to study him a little cause he bears watching. He likes to
appear in photo-ops with EAA bigwigs and he knows how to pull many of the
ropes to advantage himself, including trying to hide what they're doing this
year at Sun'n'Gouge.


and the rule about backpacks has been rescinded. Backpacks may,
> however, be subject to inspection for security reasons.

Post your link, Whizzmire. The last time I visited the official website I
clearly read that ice chests and backpacks were PROHIBITED.
>
> Ed Wischmeyer

[Jay Honeck]

> 'Taint now. Get ready to have your wallet plucked. And that rule about
> ice chests and backpacks, that's so you'll not be bringing in your beer at
> $5 a sixpack from the supermarket down the street. You'll need to buy it
> at $4 per beer and $10 per hamburger on premises.

Have you attended other public events recently? I thought the prices at SNF
were more reasonable than OSH, the food was certainly more diverse and
better, and we were absolutely ecstatic that we could get beer (and even a
margarita!) ON SITE, rather than having to hoof it two miles to the nearest
bar, like we must do in Oshkosh.

And we brought a cooler. Several of 'em, in fact.

Last year was our first Sun N Fun, and we had a great time. We're hoping to
fly in again this year, weather permitting.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Fry]

Charlie England > writes:

> > Whiner! and the rule about backpacks has been rescinded. Backpacks
> > may, however, be subject to inspection for security reasons.
> > Ed Wischmeyer
> If the Founding Fathers hadn't whined (and then acted) we wouldn't
> have such a great country.

Amen, brother. The Declaration of Independence: One of the Great
Whines in History, right there with the Magna Carta.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:59:21 -0500, " jls" > wrote:
>
>Now this is the kind of response from a little parasite who's a gutless,
>weaselly insider and knows how it all works, including how to turn a ragged
>out Cessna into an award-winner.

Hmmmm....I would have thought this was a GOOD thing. He also built an RV-4
(Do a Google Groups search on "ARSA Fighter").

>If any of you don't know who Whizzmire
>is, you ought to study him a little cause he bears watching.

Uggg, Ed is hard enough on the eyes just to glance at, much less
stare at. :-)

> He likes to appear in photo-ops with EAA bigwigs...

I know Ed pretty well, and I don't recall ever seeing a picture of him with
any "EAA bigwigs." But he is a member of the EAA Homebuilder's Council, so
his picture has probably appeared in the EAA magazines. Also, he
volunteers as a photographer at Oshkosh, so you certainly might see him
around events where bigwigs are involved.

I've known Ed for a number of years, and we were both members of Chapter
441 here in Seattle. I don't think I've *ever* heard him "drop a name."
The most you ever heard from him along those lines was, "I'll bring it up
at the next Council meeting."

But wait...wait...I think I *do* recall seeing Ed in a photo of EAA
bigwigs. I originally thought it was a lens flare, down at the bottom of
the image, but it could have been sunlight reflecting off the top of Ed's
head! :-)

>and he knows how to pull many of the ropes to advantage himself,
>including trying to hide what they're doing this year at Sun'n'Gouge.

Why would he do that? AFAIK, he had no connection to the Fly-In, though I
don't doubt that he volunteers there like he does at Oshkosh. With that
experience, he might have a little more insight into the problems and
difficulties of putting on an event this large.

Ron Wanttaja

[jls]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:59:21 -0500, " jls" >
wrote:
> >
> >Now this is the kind of response from a little parasite who's a gutless,
> >weaselly insider and knows how it all works, including how to turn a
ragged
> >out Cessna into an award-winner.
>
> Hmmmm....I would have thought this was a GOOD thing. He also built an
RV-4
> (Do a Google Groups search on "ARSA Fighter").
>
> >If any of you don't know who Whizzmire
> >is, you ought to study him a little cause he bears watching.
>
> Uggg, Ed is hard enough on the eyes just to glance at, much less
> stare at. :-)
>
> > He likes to appear in photo-ops with EAA bigwigs...
>
> I know Ed pretty well, and I don't recall ever seeing a picture of him
with
> any "EAA bigwigs." But he is a member of the EAA Homebuilder's Council,
so
> his picture has probably appeared in the EAA magazines. Also, he
> volunteers as a photographer at Oshkosh, so you certainly might see him
> around events where bigwigs are involved.
>
> I've known Ed for a number of years, and we were both members of Chapter
> 441 here in Seattle. I don't think I've *ever* heard him "drop a name."
> The most you ever heard from him along those lines was, "I'll bring it up
> at the next Council meeting."
>
> But wait...wait...I think I *do* recall seeing Ed in a photo of EAA
> bigwigs. I originally thought it was a lens flare, down at the bottom of
> the image, but it could have been sunlight reflecting off the top of Ed's
> head! :-)
>
> >and he knows how to pull many of the ropes to advantage himself,
> >including trying to hide what they're doing this year at Sun'n'Gouge.
>
> Why would he do that? AFAIK, he had no connection to the Fly-In, though I
> don't doubt that he volunteers there like he does at Oshkosh. With that
> experience, he might have a little more insight into the problems and
> difficulties of putting on an event this large.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

OK, Ron, so you're both in the same chapter but my experience with him, as
opposed to experience with you, is decidedly negative. He argues
contentiously, like a stickler, without authority ( and most of the time
without good sense) and appears to be a self-interested toady without much
of a moral code. If he's your archetypal ombudsman for EAA, then imho the
organization could do better.

If he has authority or a cite which shows the rule at Sun'n Fun forbidding
backpacks has been rescinded then he should publish a link. He didn't say
ANYTHING about the ban on ice chests. By banning ice chests, that means
they're gouging, pure and simple. And despite your defense of the little
weasel, I say he's toadying. Many of the people hereabouts have discussed
the ban on ice chests and are not attending this year. I'm not either. If
enough people boycott the sonsabitches enough to hurt their pocketbooks and
embarrass them a little, they'll stop that foolishness.

Banning ice chests at Sun'n Fun in the name of security is not for
safety --- it's a gouge.

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
" jls" > wrote:

> "Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:59:21 -0500, " jls" >
> wrote:
> > >
> > >Now this is the kind of response from a little parasite who's a gutless,
> > >weaselly insider and knows how it all works, including how to turn a
> ragged
> > >out Cessna into an award-winner.
> >
> > Hmmmm....I would have thought this was a GOOD thing. He also built an
> RV-4
> > (Do a Google Groups search on "ARSA Fighter").
> >
> > >If any of you don't know who Whizzmire
> > >is, you ought to study him a little cause he bears watching.
> >
> > Uggg, Ed is hard enough on the eyes just to glance at, much less
> > stare at. :-)
> >
> > > He likes to appear in photo-ops with EAA bigwigs...
> >
> > I know Ed pretty well, and I don't recall ever seeing a picture of him
> with
> > any "EAA bigwigs." But he is a member of the EAA Homebuilder's Council,
> so
> > his picture has probably appeared in the EAA magazines. Also, he
> > volunteers as a photographer at Oshkosh, so you certainly might see him
> > around events where bigwigs are involved.
> >
> > I've known Ed for a number of years, and we were both members of Chapter
> > 441 here in Seattle. I don't think I've *ever* heard him "drop a name."
> > The most you ever heard from him along those lines was, "I'll bring it up
> > at the next Council meeting."
> >
> > But wait...wait...I think I *do* recall seeing Ed in a photo of EAA
> > bigwigs. I originally thought it was a lens flare, down at the bottom of
> > the image, but it could have been sunlight reflecting off the top of Ed's
> > head! :-)
> >
> > >and he knows how to pull many of the ropes to advantage himself,
> > >including trying to hide what they're doing this year at Sun'n'Gouge.
> >
> > Why would he do that? AFAIK, he had no connection to the Fly-In, though I
> > don't doubt that he volunteers there like he does at Oshkosh. With that
> > experience, he might have a little more insight into the problems and
> > difficulties of putting on an event this large.
> >
> > Ron Wanttaja
>
> OK, Ron, so you're both in the same chapter but my experience with him, as
> opposed to experience with you, is decidedly negative. He argues
> contentiously, like a stickler, without authority ( and most of the time
> without good sense) and appears to be a self-interested toady without much
> of a moral code. If he's your archetypal ombudsman for EAA, then imho the
> organization could do better.
>
> If he has authority or a cite which shows the rule at Sun'n Fun forbidding
> backpacks has been rescinded then he should publish a link. He didn't say
> ANYTHING about the ban on ice chests. By banning ice chests, that means
> they're gouging, pure and simple. And despite your defense of the little
> weasel, I say he's toadying. Many of the people hereabouts have discussed
> the ban on ice chests and are not attending this year. I'm not either. If
> enough people boycott the sonsabitches enough to hurt their pocketbooks and
> embarrass them a little, they'll stop that foolishness.
>
> Banning ice chests at Sun'n Fun in the name of security is not for
> safety --- it's a gouge.
>
>

IMHO, "jls" is WAY out of line here! I have known (and wworked with Ed)
for the last 20+ years abd have NEVER seen Ed exhibit the
characteristics "jls" attributes to him.

Granted, Ed may have a penchant for keeping ducks, and his taste in
airplanes and music leave something to be desired, but Ed IS
well-imformed and usually knows what he is talking about.

As for Ed's moral code, I doubt that you will find a person whose
standards are higher.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:37:00 -0500, " jls" > wrote:

>"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
>>
>> I've known Ed for a number of years, and we were both members of Chapter
>> 441 here in Seattle. I don't think I've *ever* heard him "drop a name."
>> The most you ever heard from him along those lines was, "I'll bring it up
>> at the next Council meeting."
>
>OK, Ron, so you're both in the same chapter but my experience with him, as
>opposed to experience with you, is decidedly negative. He argues
>contentiously, like a stickler, without authority ( and most of the time
>without good sense) and appears to be a self-interested toady without much
>of a moral code. If he's your archetypal ombudsman for EAA, then imho the
>organization could do better.

Well, back when they were first forming the homebuilt council, Bob Warner
met me and asked if I was interested. I pointed out that I was a bit
controversial (this was at the height of the RAH-15 stuff) and might not be
a good pick. I was quite happy later when they named Ed to the council; he
has a better background and temperament for it than I do.

My experience with Ed obviously differs from yours. My interaction with
him has been primarily personal, not professional. But I recently got an
email from one of his students (Ed referred him to me regarding experiences
getting a medical waiver for one-eyed flying), and the student was a real
fan of his.

And I guess I'm just confused by your claim that he's "toadying" to SnF.
Someone toadies in hopes of gaining some favor from the individual or
entity involved. I just don't understand what Ed would have to gain with
such a tactic. He's gainfully employed 2,000 miles from Florida, so he
doesn't need a job. He gets free admission already as a KITPLANES writer.
The most he might expect is a free meal voucher.

>Banning ice chests at Sun'n Fun in the name of security is not for
>safety --- it's a gouge.

Well, I'd like to hear Sun-N-Fun explain that, myself. Places like movie
theaters and sports arenas ban the items, but a two- or four- hour event in
an air-conditioned auditorium with seating is quite a bit different from a
multi-day outdoor event in 90 degree weather. I've brought backpacks to
Oshkosh and would have been moderately upset if I had been denied entry
because of them. If viewing areas are overcrowded, an ice-chest ban makes
sense, but I suspect that isn't the case at SnF.

As far as banning them for security reasons, it's a damned-if-you-do,
damned-if-you-don't sort of situation. In the post-9/11 world, public
events are taking the most secure route...but, too often, the major driver
is money rather than a desire for a safer venue. It's like the
banner-towing issue; the TSA could implement any level of security approval
necessary, but the open-air-stadium folks don't want them approved at all
because they don't get a cut of the money paid for banner advertisements.

I don't know the SnF staffers, so I can't take a guess at whether they're
driven by security or avarice. But I tend to believe the old saying,
"Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity." :-)

Ron Wanttaja

[Peter Dohm]

Charlie England wrote:
>
> Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
>
> >> 'Taint now. Get ready to have your wallet plucked. And that rule
> >
> > about
> >
> >> ice chests and backpacks, that's so you'll not be bringing in your beer
> >
> > at
> >
> >> $5 a sixpack from the supermarket down the street. You'll need to buy
> >
> > it
> >
> >> at $4 per beer and $10 per hamburger on premises.
> >>
> >> A fool and his money are soon parted. But, hey, you'll get a 5% discount
> >
> > on
> >
> >> your avgas on the way down.
> >
> >
> > Whiner! and the rule about backpacks has been rescinded. Backpacks may,
> > however, be subject to inspection for security reasons.
> >
> > Ed Wischmeyer
> If the Founding Fathers hadn't whined (and then acted) we wouldn't have
> such a great country.
>
> (If a lot of people hadn't started whining loudly about the backpack
> restriction, it would still be in effect.
>
> If we don't whine a lot more, we will continue to lose our freedoms to
> move about & maintain our privacy.
>
> Charlie

Well said!

[Charlie England]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:37:00 -0500, " jls" > wrote:
>
>
>>"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
>>
>>>I've known Ed for a number of years, and we were both members of Chapter
>>>441 here in Seattle. I don't think I've *ever* heard him "drop a name."
>>>The most you ever heard from him along those lines was, "I'll bring it up
>>>at the next Council meeting."
>>
>>OK, Ron, so you're both in the same chapter but my experience with him, as
>>opposed to experience with you, is decidedly negative. He argues
>>contentiously, like a stickler, without authority ( and most of the time
>>without good sense) and appears to be a self-interested toady without much
>>of a moral code. If he's your archetypal ombudsman for EAA, then imho the
>>organization could do better.
>
>
> Well, back when they were first forming the homebuilt council, Bob Warner
> met me and asked if I was interested. I pointed out that I was a bit
> controversial (this was at the height of the RAH-15 stuff) and might not be
> a good pick. I was quite happy later when they named Ed to the council; he
> has a better background and temperament for it than I do.
>
> My experience with Ed obviously differs from yours. My interaction with
> him has been primarily personal, not professional. But I recently got an
> email from one of his students (Ed referred him to me regarding experiences
> getting a medical waiver for one-eyed flying), and the student was a real
> fan of his.
>
> And I guess I'm just confused by your claim that he's "toadying" to SnF.
> Someone toadies in hopes of gaining some favor from the individual or
> entity involved. I just don't understand what Ed would have to gain with
> such a tactic. He's gainfully employed 2,000 miles from Florida, so he
> doesn't need a job. He gets free admission already as a KITPLANES writer.
> The most he might expect is a free meal voucher.
>
>
>>Banning ice chests at Sun'n Fun in the name of security is not for
>>safety --- it's a gouge.
>
>
> Well, I'd like to hear Sun-N-Fun explain that, myself. Places like movie
> theaters and sports arenas ban the items, but a two- or four- hour event in
> an air-conditioned auditorium with seating is quite a bit different from a
> multi-day outdoor event in 90 degree weather. I've brought backpacks to
> Oshkosh and would have been moderately upset if I had been denied entry
> because of them. If viewing areas are overcrowded, an ice-chest ban makes
> sense, but I suspect that isn't the case at SnF.
>
> As far as banning them for security reasons, it's a damned-if-you-do,
> damned-if-you-don't sort of situation. In the post-9/11 world, public
> events are taking the most secure route...but, too often, the major driver
> is money rather than a desire for a safer venue. It's like the
> banner-towing issue; the TSA could implement any level of security approval
> necessary, but the open-air-stadium folks don't want them approved at all
> because they don't get a cut of the money paid for banner advertisements.
>
> I don't know the SnF staffers, so I can't take a guess at whether they're
> driven by security or avarice. But I tend to believe the old saying,
> "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity." :-)
>
> Ron Wanttaja

There are other old sayings & principles that apply as well. Occam's
razor is one. As you mentioned, other festivals began denying ice chests
long before 9-11 purely as a revenue generating technique. The promoters
of airshows are just catching up with other festivals in their revenue
generating techniques. 9-11 just makes it easier to sell as 'necessary'.

Charlie

[David O]

Ron Wanttaja > wrote:

>Well, I'd like to hear Sun-N-Fun explain that, myself. Places like movie
>theaters and sports arenas ban the items, but a two- or four- hour event in
>an air-conditioned auditorium with seating is quite a bit different from a
>multi-day outdoor event in 90 degree weather. I've brought backpacks to
>Oshkosh and would have been moderately upset if I had been denied entry
>because of them. If viewing areas are overcrowded, an ice-chest ban makes
>sense, but I suspect that isn't the case at SnF.
>
>As far as banning them for security reasons, it's a damned-if-you-do,
>damned-if-you-don't sort of situation. In the post-9/11 world, public
>events are taking the most secure route...but, too often, the major driver
>is money rather than a desire for a safer venue. It's like the
>banner-towing issue; the TSA could implement any level of security approval
>necessary, but the open-air-stadium folks don't want them approved at all
>because they don't get a cut of the money paid for banner advertisements.
>
>I don't know the SnF staffers, so I can't take a guess at whether they're
>driven by security or avarice. But I tend to believe the old saying,
>"Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity." :-)
>
>Ron Wanttaja

On the SNF website, the statement "Coolers, backpacks, bicycles,
scooters, in-line skates and skateboards are not permitted on
convention site" is repeated in several places including the sections
dealing with camping and aircraft camping. To me, a policy banning
coolers for fly-in campers is unacceptable.

I have never flown in and camped by my plane at SNF but I have at
Oshkosh. For me, one of the pleasures and benefits of flying in and
camping by my plane at Oshkosh is being able to bring all the food and
beverage I need for the four or five days I stay there. That would be
impossible (for me at least) without a cooler and daily access to ice.
Oshkosh allows campers to have coolers, and ice is available from
private and site vendors (1).

If SNF is going to ban coolers for campers and/or not have daily ice
for sale at a reasonable price then I will not fly to SNF to camp.
Such restrictions would put too much a cramp on my camping style. I
expect many of my fellow campers would agree, including these folks,

http://www.airplanezone.com/Oshkosh/Scrapbook2002/page12.html

I agree with Charlie England, the SNF blanket cooler ban is revenue
motivated and the events of 9-11 just make it easier to sell as
"necessary". I can accept such a cooler ban for daily gate attendees
(of which I might be one this year). SNF will find, however, that
such a policy applied to fly-in campers is self-defeating. I predict
the policy will not last.

David O -- http://www.AirplaneZone.com

1: Oshkosh implemented a "cooler permit" policy (something I've never
quite understood) in 2001. This was before the insanity of 9-11 and
five years after the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta. The "cooler
permit" is a sticker (no fee as I recall) that is to be placed on your
cooler. What is the purpose of the cooler permit? Has anyone ever
obtained a cogent official explanation for the Oshkosh "cooler permit"
policy? I keep my cooler in my tent anyway, out of site of potential
Oshkosh Cooler Permit Police.

[B2431]

>From: Bob Fry

>
>Amen, brother. The Declaration of Independence: One of the Great
>Whines in History, right there with the Magna Carta.

Not to pick a nit here, but I believe the Magna Carta only applied to male
peers, not the common man or woman.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[jls]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: Bob Fry
>
> >
> >Amen, brother. The Declaration of Independence: One of the Great
> >Whines in History, right there with the Magna Carta.
>
> Not to pick a nit here, but I believe the Magna Carta only applied to male
> peers, not the common man or woman.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Magna Carta is a product of the "whining" of the nobles to the king that
they were entitled to a number of unalienable rights in writing guaranteed
by the courts, but the rights were gradually extended to the common folk.

[Bob Fry]

(B2431) writes:

> >Amen, brother. The Declaration of Independence: One of the Great
> >Whines in History, right there with the Magna Carta.
>
> Not to pick a nit here, but I believe the Magna Carta only applied to male
> peers, not the common man or woman.

Well, sure. Ya gotta start somewhere. Before that, it was just
whatever one guy wanted, King John.

[Kevin 'Hognose' O'Brien]

In article >,
" jls" > wrote:

> If any of you don't know who Whizzmire
> is, you ought to study him a little cause he bears watching.

If anybody doesn't know who "jls1016ns" may be, the reversion to
juvenile (and really stretched) insults based on combining a name with a
body function gives it away. Even if the completely undeserved
vituperation didn't. Latchless Larry, c'mon down, and we'll pray that
you might be healed. Or saved. Or take up golf.

> The last time I visited the official website I
> clearly read that ice chests and backpacks were PROHIBITED

There was a discussion here in RAH, and someone, I believe it was Roger
Halstead, called and they told him the backpack ban was dropped. But --
as Ed said -- backpacks are subject to search, which to me trips the
WAFWOT meter, but lots of women of both sexes are "security" oriented
these days, and if they DIDN'T have TSA-style brain-deads do searches,
there'd be an outcry by all those not nannied enough.


cheers

-=K=-

[Kevin 'Hognose' O'Brien]

In article >,
" jls" > wrote:

> Many of the people hereabouts have discussed
> the ban on ice chests and are not attending this year. I'm not either. If
> enough people boycott the sonsabitches enough to hurt their pocketbooks and
> embarrass them a little, they'll stop that foolishness.

Fine, don't attend.

I don't think the organisers will notice.

The people that seem to suffer from attempts to drive the attendance
down, whether it's you, or whether it's a certain publisher's well-known
dispute/vendetta which has lasted about as long as the suit in Bleak
House, are the guys trying to introduce new stuff, and all the mom and
pop shops making a good product for a thankless, tiny constituency that
will cavil and cheat and gouge themselves.

I have never printed a word of it, but I've heard some pretty amazing
stuff from vendors about how some guy tries to shave them on a deal. Or
about the 90% of the people in the booth who are tyre kickers and
sharpshooters, but who will never, ever, buy or build. But they smile
and explain and tolerate know-it-alls, because somewhere in that booth
is one of the five or six customers they need to keep the doors open
till the next show.

FWIW I have raised the issue with said publisher. If ever there was a
case for constructive engagement, this is it.

cheers

-=K=-

[jls]

"Kevin 'Sauschwein' O'Brien" >
wrote in message ...
> In article >,
> " jls" > wrote:
>
> > If any of you don't know who Whizzmire
> > is, you ought to study him a little cause he bears watching.

Hey, Pig, I visited the Sun'n Fun website yesterday and the backpack
prohibition has not been rescinded as Whizzmire promised. As for _Bleak
House,_ your reading is YAAAAAWN. Try _Chuzzlewit._ You're in it.

Have you ever considered building an aircraft? The exercise might make you
less obstreperous.

[nauga]

Kevin O'Brien wrote...

> FWIW I have raised the issue with said publisher. If ever there was a
> case for constructive engagement, this is it.

A legitimate case for constructive engagement
usually has some chance seeing the light.
Nobody here's going to turn blue waiting.

Dave 'lost cause' Hyde

[bci]

" And that rule about
> ice chests and backpacks, that's so you'll not be bringing in your beer at
> $5 a sixpack from the supermarket down the street.


Last summer, when the WACS was at Lakeland, they didn't search any
backpacks, camera bags, or purses. I worked the ticket booth a couple
of days and people were surprised that no one was looking for pocket
knives or weapons of mass destruction hidden in a camera.

MacDill Air Force Base is having a air show this weekend. The 2002
and 2003 shows were cancelled for security reasons. Rule one is no
coolers. Rule two is no weapons, including pocket knives. They don't
allow rollerblades, etc. Backpacks, bags, purses and camera bags are
allowed and searched.

A B-2 flew over the house on its way to MacDill this afternoon
(altitude - about 800 feet). Wow, what a plane.

Betsy Ilfeld

[Barnyard BOb -]

>" And that rule about
>> ice chests and backpacks, that's so you'll not be bringing in your beer at
>> $5 a sixpack from the supermarket down the street.
>
>
>Last summer, when the WACS was at Lakeland, they didn't search any
>backpacks, camera bags, or purses. I worked the ticket booth a couple
>of days and people were surprised that no one was looking for pocket
>knives or weapons of mass destruction hidden in a camera.
>
>Betsy Ilfeld
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hi Betsy,

Son John, and I attended the last few days of the WACS
rooting for our underdawg American lady fliers...
especially newcomer, Vicki Cruse.
She did good. However....

Damn those Russian babes.
They can even outfly most of our men.
And some are a little bit prettier than our men, too. <g>

What a trippin' trip.

Say 'hi' to hubby for me.


BOb U.

[pacplyer]

" jls" > wrote in message >...
> "Kevin 'Sauschwein' O'Brien" >
> wrote in message ...
> > In article >,
> > " jls" > wrote:
> >
> > > If any of you don't know who Whizzmire
> > > is, you ought to study him a little cause he bears watching.
>
> Hey, Pig, I visited the Sun'n Fun website yesterday and the backpack
> prohibition has not been rescinded as Whizzmire promised. As for _Bleak
> House,_ your reading is YAAAAAWN. Try _Chuzzlewit._ You're in it.
>
> Have you ever considered building an aircraft? The exercise might make you
> less obstreperous.


It's Latchless all right. Good eyes Kevin.

pac

[wmbjk]

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:05:50 -0500, Kevin 'Hognose' O'Brien
> wrote:

>In article >,
> " jls" > wrote:
>
>> If any of you don't know who Whizzmire
>> is, you ought to study him a little cause he bears watching.
>
>If anybody doesn't know who "jls1016ns" may be, the reversion to
>juvenile (and really stretched) insults based on combining a name with a
>body function gives it away. Even if the completely undeserved
>vituperation didn't. Latchless Larry, c'mon down, and we'll pray that
>you might be healed. Or saved. Or take up golf.

Just googled Larry Smith, then jls. Some 37,000 posts between them.
Wonder what the total number of posts from all his aliases is? Could
be a record....... for the longest White Lightning build time. :-)

Wayne

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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:51:22 -0400
From: "Laura Vaughn" >
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Subject: Backpacks



Please advise your Newsgroups that we have revised the backpack policy.
We are allowing backpacks... but they may be subject to search at the
gate.

Laura Vaughn
Convention Administrator
863-644-2431 X113
Visit the Sun 'n Fun <http://www.sun-n-fun.org/> Website
Sun 'n Fun 2004 - April 13 - 19

[Roger Halstead]

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:52:26 -0500, " jls" >
wrote:

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>"Kevin 'Sauschwein' O'Brien" >
>wrote in message ...
>> In article >,
>> " jls" > wrote:
>>
>> > If any of you don't know who Whizzmire
>> > is, you ought to study him a little cause he bears watching.
>
>Hey, Pig, I visited the Sun'n Fun website yesterday and the backpack
>prohibition has not been rescinded as Whizzmire promised. As for _Bleak

All I know is they told me I could bring it and it'd probably be
subject to search. I'd be carrying lots of camera equipment and they
OK'd it. That does not mean I'm saying they rescinded the ban or what
it'd take to be able to carry one.

I'd certainly take the letter with me though.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>House,_ your reading is YAAAAAWN. Try _Chuzzlewit._ You're in it.
>
>Have you ever considered building an aircraft? The exercise might make you
>less obstreperous.
>

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Very good. So I'll just fly in with an ice chest hidden under a quilt in
the baggage compartment and keep it filled with beer (by the case) on my
back in an oversize mulepack. Does that sound OK to you? After all,
those big diesel converted Greyhound Bus rigs are going to be loaded down
with gourmet beer too, ain't they? Plus wet bar stocked with single malt,
Creme de Menthe, Courvoisier, and Tennessee sippin' whisky. And ladies of
the night and little white and just groomed French poodles. Now how do I
get a ride to the nearest ice service store or 7-11?

Missus Vaughn, if you see 2 shifty unkempt characters there they should be
searched for crack pipes, hashish and bongs. You can be sure they have a
30-gallon ice chest full of Cobra quarts hidden out in the bushes. Behind
their '79 Seville and that big round and ratty camo tent. Not to tattle but
that would be Packie and WBMJRK.

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> Very good. So I'll just fly in with an ice chest hidden under a quilt in
> the baggage compartment and keep it filled with beer (by the case) on my
> back in an oversize mulepack. Does that sound OK to you? After all,
> those big diesel converted Greyhound Bus rigs are going to be loaded down
> with gourmet beer too, ain't they? Plus wet bar stocked with single
malt,
> Creme de Menthe, Courvoisier, and Tennessee sippin' whisky. And ladies
of
> the night and little white and just groomed French poodles. Now how do I
> get a ride to the nearest ice service store or 7-11?
>
> Missus Vaughn, if you see 2 shifty unkempt characters there they should be
> searched for crack pipes, hashish and bongs. You can be sure they have a
> 30-gallon ice chest full of Cobra quarts hidden out in the bushes.
Behind
> their '79 Seville and that big round and ratty camo tent. Not to tattle
but
> that would be Packie and WBMJRK.

If you're talking about the campgrounds, coolers, stoves, backpacks, steamer
trunks, and anything else is fine there. The only thing specifically
prohibited (other than by state or local ordinance) is firearms.

KB