Famous people

[Steven Barnes]

I went to my local FBO tonight for more time in the Diamond Star. I missed
Harrison Ford by 5 minutes. Watched his Pilatus warm up, taxi out & take
off. DAMN! I guess he just stopped for fuel. The guys at 1st Class knew he
was coming, so they hit him up for pictures & autographs. He signed
somebody's Indiana Jones box set. I was so ****ed.

It was a nice night for flying, though...

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PP-ASEL, instrument

[Morgans]

"Steven Barnes" > wrote in message
...
> I went to my local FBO tonight for more time in the Diamond Star. I missed
> Harrison Ford by 5 minutes. Watched his Pilatus warm up, taxi out & take
> off. DAMN! I guess he just stopped for fuel. The guys at 1st Class knew he
> was coming, so they hit him up for pictures & autographs. He signed
> somebody's Indiana Jones box set. I was so ****ed.
>
> It was a nice night for flying, though...

++++++++++++++++++++

After how he shunned our little planes this year at OSH, I lost a lot of
respect for him. No, make that all respect for him.

When asked if he would take a ride in one, he said something to the effect
of, "are you kidding, I don't want to die."
--
Jim in NC


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[tony roberts]

> After how he shunned our little planes this year at OSH, I lost a lot of
> respect for him. No, make that all respect for him.
>
> When asked if he would take a ride in one, he said something to the effect
> of, "are you kidding, I don't want to die."

I hadn't heard that.
And he is our new Young Eagles Leader?

So he is effectively saying that our aircraft are too dangerous for him
to fly in, while at the same time encouraging families around the world
to send their children up in them?

He should be made to clarify his position on this.

Tony




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Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[John Theune]

tony roberts wrote:
>>After how he shunned our little planes this year at OSH, I lost a lot of
>>respect for him. No, make that all respect for him.
>>
>>When asked if he would take a ride in one, he said something to the effect
>>of, "are you kidding, I don't want to die."
>
>
> I hadn't heard that.
> And he is our new Young Eagles Leader?
>
> So he is effectively saying that our aircraft are too dangerous for him
> to fly in, while at the same time encouraging families around the world
> to send their children up in them?
>
> He should be made to clarify his position on this.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
I believe his comment was made in reference to ultralights, not small
planes in general.

[Morgans]

"John Theune" > wrote

> I believe his comment was made in reference to ultralights, not small
> planes in general.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

True, but a two seat "ultralight" can also be registered, have an N number,
and be completely legal to fly Young Eagles.

I can *almost* understand not wanting to fly in an ultralight, but his
answer showed a complete lack of respect for one "slightly removed" type of
aviation from his own single engine airplane. At worse, he showed no tact
with the reply.

I *do* question if he is the right person for the Young Eagles position.
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Jim in NC


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[tony roberts]

Based on what I have read in this discussion I have to go along with
that.

Tony

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Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

In article >,
"Morgans" > wrote:

> "John Theune" > wrote
>
> > I believe his comment was made in reference to ultralights, not small
> > planes in general.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> True, but a two seat "ultralight" can also be registered, have an N number,
> and be completely legal to fly Young Eagles.
>
> I can *almost* understand not wanting to fly in an ultralight, but his
> answer showed a complete lack of respect for one "slightly removed" type of
> aviation from his own single engine airplane. At worse, he showed no tact
> with the reply.
>
> I *do* question if he is the right person for the Young Eagles position.

[Jay Honeck]

> I *do* question if he is the right person for the Young Eagles position.

I think his answer was supposed to be a joke.

In person, I'll bet people laughed. In writing, it appears insensitive and
dumb.

Which is true with all sorts of humor.

I don't know how much personal time and attention he'll give to the Young
Eagles program -- hopefully a lot -- but his choice as leader was a
brilliant PR move by EAA. All you had to do was attend one Young Eagles
program at OSH to see the stunning difference in attendance between 2003 and
2004.

Were they all there to see Ford? Many were, I'm sure. But if they picked
up some aviation enthusiasm along the way, we've won the first battle.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[G.R. Patterson III]

tony roberts wrote:
>
> So he is effectively saying that our aircraft are too dangerous for him
> to fly in, ....

No, he made that statement about ultralights.

George Patterson
My mother is 82 and she still doesn't need glasses.
Drinks right out of the bottle.

[zatatime]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 01:40:06 -0500, "Morgans"
> wrote:

>I *do* question if he is the right person for the Young Eagles position.


I agree from some of the stories I've heard about him getting certain
training to prep him for his movie.

z

[Rick Durden]

Please don't create an urban myth out of a joking comment that was
made about ultralights. He never said he would not fly in general
aviation airplanes. Harrison Ford is an active general aviation
pilot, he was at OSH (he was at the party I attended on Monday night
in the aircraft camping area) and supports general aviation. He made
a crack about ultralights that was probably uncalled for, as it
offended a lot of people who didn't realize it was in jest.

All the best,
Rick

"Morgans" > wrote in message >...
> "Steven Barnes" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I went to my local FBO tonight for more time in the Diamond Star. I missed
> > Harrison Ford by 5 minutes. Watched his Pilatus warm up, taxi out & take
> > off. DAMN! I guess he just stopped for fuel. The guys at 1st Class knew he
> > was coming, so they hit him up for pictures & autographs. He signed
> > somebody's Indiana Jones box set. I was so ****ed.
> >
> > It was a nice night for flying, though...
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++
>
> After how he shunned our little planes this year at OSH, I lost a lot of
> respect for him. No, make that all respect for him.
>
> When asked if he would take a ride in one, he said something to the effect
> of, "are you kidding, I don't want to die."

[Morgans]

"Rick Durden" > wrote in message

> He made
> a crack about ultralights that was probably uncalled for, as it
> offended a lot of people who didn't realize it was in jest.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Proper manners would be to issue an apology, right? If the comment was a
made in jest, set the record straight.

Did he apologize? If I missed it, OK, but if not, it is not too late to set
the record straight.
--
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[vincent p. norris]

>Proper manners would be to issue an apology, right?

Jim, have you apologized for every single jesting remark you've made
in your life?

vince norris

[Morgans]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> >Proper manners would be to issue an apology, right?
>
> Jim, have you apologized for every single jesting remark you've made
> in your life?
>
> vince norris

The big difference here is that he made a remark about the very industry he
is representing. I'm also not in the public eye like he is.

So in answer to your question, I would hope that were I in the same
position, I would do the right thing and apologize, especially when a bunch
of people took exception to what was said.
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[NW_PILOT]

"Steven Barnes" > wrote in message
...
> I went to my local FBO tonight for more time in the Diamond Star. I missed
> Harrison Ford by 5 minutes. Watched his Pilatus warm up, taxi out & take
> off. DAMN! I guess he just stopped for fuel. The guys at 1st Class knew he
> was coming, so they hit him up for pictures & autographs. He signed
> somebody's Indiana Jones box set. I was so ****ed.
>
> It was a nice night for flying, though...
>
> --
>
>
>
> PP-ASEL, instrument

I seriously doubt that Harrison Ford would like you bothering him, Myself
knowing a lot of people that have TV/Music popularity they don't like to be
bothered by people and would just like to live their life in peace. Most don
't mind the casual introduction or greeting while passing but to go out of
your way! That I believe is rude and so do they. They are just people like
you and I, just a different tax bracket how would you like it to be bothered
every ware you go?

[Jay Honeck]

> your way! That I believe is rude and so do they. They are just people like
> you and I, just a different tax bracket how would you like it to be
> bothered
> every ware you go?

I agree, but it's tough.

When my 14 year old son and I ran into Brett Favre at the Green Bay FBO this
fall, it took everything I had not to go running up to him like a little
kid, begging for an autograph. Instead, I casually (well, as casual as I
could act) told him where his pilot had gone (to the other FBO), while my
son just stood there in stunned awe.

In retrospect, I wish I had been more rude, and asked for an autograph...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Mike Beede]

In article >, Morgans > wrote:

> The big difference here is that he made a remark about the very industry he
> is representing. I'm also not in the public eye like he is.

In other words, a double standard? I've never been particularly comfortable
with the idea that public figures need to be humorless robots. If that's what
you want, select a politician--they've trained themselves to parrot the party
line in all situations.

Mike Beede

[Newps]

He made
> a crack about ultralights that was probably uncalled for,


Probably? I don't think so. I wouldn't fly in one of those death traps
either.

[Peter Duniho]

"Mike Beede" > wrote in message
...
> In other words, a double standard?

What double standard? A public mistake asks for a public apology. I don't
know what the previous poster meant for sure, not being psychic, but IMHO
the issue is that Ford made a comment he shouldn't have (thus the need for
an apology) and that the comment was made VERY publicly (thus the need for a
PUBLIC apology).

I hold myself to the same standard. The previous poster may well too, but
simply hasn't had the opportunity to be in the position to need to make a
public apology, simply due to lack of public exposure.

I don't see any double standard. I see the same standard for all of us, but
one that affects the specifics for each of us differently as a result of the
nature of our lives.

Pete

[Don Hammer]

We all have our comfort level with safety. Just because it is
certified doesn't make it safe. There are levels of safety in this
business. I couldn't imagine that light aircraft are as safe as a 747
and ultralights got to be somewhat less than that. Just because my
parachute is certified, doesn't mean I want to fly in it. I'll fly
light aircraft any time, but that's where my comfort level ends also.
My insurance man knows best - light aircraft yes, ultralights, they
don't pay.

As to if he should head some organization or not, that's a different
subject.

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[Mike Beede]

In article >, Peter Duniho > wrote:

> I don't see any double standard. I see the same standard for all of us, but
> one that affects the specifics for each of us differently as a result of the
> nature of our lives.

I guess my viewpoint is he made a joke and some folks chose to take
it amiss. Too bad. Everything you say is going to offend *someone*,
unless you hold yourself to bland generalities. Like I said--get a politician
if that's what you want. They make jokes only if they're preapproved as
being generic and unoffensive by their handlers.

I wonder if some of the dugeon arises because ultralights *are* dangerous?
If so, I think it's misplaced. All kinds of flying are dangerous to one degree
or other, and it doesn't make sense to deny it. They're also fun, useful,
and/or rewarding. The only safe pastime is . . . um . . . I don't think there
is one!

Mike Beede

[vincent p. norris]

> I couldn't imagine that light aircraft are as safe as a 747
>and ultralights got to be somewhat less than that.

Is a 747 "safer" than a J-3, or is it FLOWN more safely?

There's very little to go wrong in a J-3, and not much more in a
Cherokee or Cessna 172. In an emergency, they can be landed almost
anywhere. The accident reports show pretty clearly, I think, that GA
aircraft accidents are the fault of the pilot, not the airplane.

I suspect the same is true of ultralights.

vince norris

[Trent Moorehead]

"NW_PILOT" > wrote in message
...

> They are just people like
> you and I, just a different tax bracket how would you like it to be
bothered
> every ware you go?

I agree that they are just people, but they also have to realize that they
owe their success to the buying public. Hey, if you saw Indiana Jones at the
theater, rented it, or bought the boxed set, some of your money is sitting
in Mr. Ford's bank account right now or is invested into a piece of
property.

If you don't like to be hounded and recognized everywhere you go, don't get
into the entertainment business (which includes pro sports). It simply is
part of the job. My sympathies are with those who are thrust into the public
eye against their will, not with the stars whose popularity makes them rich,
but aren't willing to deal with the other side of that coin. Some stars
handle this well, some don't.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

[Bill Denton]

Having been, albeit at a modest level, on both sides of that fence, may I
mention a few things?

Even the biggest stars sometimes have to make a quick run to the convenience
store for a loaf of bread, and sometimes they have to do it right in the
middle of a fight with their husband or wife, their agent, or whomever. Or
they might have gotten a traffic ticket on the way to the store.

I think most of us can understand how they might not be at their most
personable in the checkout line. While stars may be rich and famous,
underneath all of that they have the same responsibilities and worries as
the rest of us.

So let me pass along a few tips for those who might want an autograph or a
picture:

Walk up to the star at a normal pace, and stop at a respectful distance, 3
or 4 feet away. Unfortunately, in our society, many high-profile people are
faced with constant threats from stalkers or other mentally unbalanced
people. Run up and jump on a stars lap and you can rest assured that you are
not going to get an autograph; at best you will probably have a very
unpleasant encounter with a very large bodyguard or the police.

Respect a stars privacy. If they are out with their kids, or just having a
quiet meal, don't disturb them. You wouldn't want someone stopping you every
five seconds under those circumstances, they don't either.

It's okay to approach and start a simple conversation, but leave it open
ended. Start with something like: "Mr. Ford, I really enjoyed your last
movie", or "Ms. Zellweger, I loved you in the Bridget Jones movies". If they
reply with nothing more than "thank you" or "thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed
it" and turn back to what they are doing, just walk away and be satisfied
that you got to the see them, at least. But if they say something like: "I
see you have a camera, would you like a picture?" or "would you like an
autograph for your future grandchildren?", feel free to take advantage of
the opportunity. But be respectful of other people who might also want a
minute with the star, don't hog the stars time.

Most stars are constantly aware that without their fans, they wouldn't have
their fame and fortune, and a certain amount of contact with their fans is
part of the bargain. But keep in mind, while some stars are nothing more
than assholes, they do have to deal with all of the day to day problems the
rest of us do. They're entitled to a bad day every now and then just like
the rest of us.

And keep in mind, the only thing a star REALLY owes his or her fans is a
performance worthy of the price the fan paid for it...









"Trent Moorehead" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NW_PILOT" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > They are just people like
> > you and I, just a different tax bracket how would you like it to be
> bothered
> > every ware you go?
>
> I agree that they are just people, but they also have to realize that they
> owe their success to the buying public. Hey, if you saw Indiana Jones at
the
> theater, rented it, or bought the boxed set, some of your money is sitting
> in Mr. Ford's bank account right now or is invested into a piece of
> property.
>
> If you don't like to be hounded and recognized everywhere you go, don't
get
> into the entertainment business (which includes pro sports). It simply is
> part of the job. My sympathies are with those who are thrust into the
public
> eye against their will, not with the stars whose popularity makes them
rich,
> but aren't willing to deal with the other side of that coin. Some stars
> handle this well, some don't.
>
> -Trent
> PP-ASEL
>
>

[Trent Moorehead]

"Bill Denton" > wrote in message
...
> Having been, albeit at a modest level, on both sides of that fence, may I
> mention a few things?

<snip>

Good points. I show respect to folks in hopes it will be recipricated,
regardless of their tax bracket. I saw Howie Long in a shopping center last
year. I left him alone. He also looked fairly surly (read: ****ed), harried,
and is a BIG guy. I don't think I would have made him too happy by saying
hello, but I could've be wrong about that. Perhaps that's just what he
needed, a nice hello, but I wasn't willing to risk an angry rebuke from this
guy. I also felt that he deserved to be left alone while shopping.

Bob Dylan said we all have to serve somebody. Regardless of how successful
we are, it's always good to reflect on where our riches come from and who
has helped us along. It's a good way to lead your life and it's good
business too.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

[Corky Scott]

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:55:21 -0600, "Bill Denton"
> wrote:

>Run up and jump on a stars lap and you can rest assured that you are
>not going to get an autograph;

I was watching the "Tonight Show" one night when Johnny Carson was the
host. He was asked about being a celebrity by someone and he laughed
and told about how one time he was in a public restroom and was peeing
in a urinal when a guy doing the same thing the next urinal over says:
"Hey, you Johnny Carson? Can I get your autograph?" The guy did not
get his autograph.

Corky Scott